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I never flashed this ROM, though I must admit that it did look interesting feature/graphic wise.
It's sad to cease development on an open source compilation of code.. that's why even the renowned Design Gears is happily posting his source to his github
I do admit that with the push of android to the young populous, there's a lot of *young* android adopters.. consequence being the immaturity and inconsideration of spreading pirated software, leaking releases, and the lost of respect instilled in the media today towards the youngsters.
Respect is what parents should be raising their children with, not some TVs and Gameboys.
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I never flashed this ROM, though I must admit that it did look interesting feature/graphic wise.
It's sad to cease development on an open source compilation of code.. that's why even the renowned Design Gears is happily posting his source to his github
I do admit that with the push of android to the young populous, there's a lot of *young* android adopters.. consequence being the immaturity and inconsideration of spreading pirated software, leaking releases, and the lost of respect instilled in the media today towards the youngsters.
Respect is what parents should be raising their children with, not some TVs and Gameboys.
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sigh, I really liked Axura ROM and their dedication. I think I'm done with flashing since this amount of drama detracts from all the collegial spirit that should be present in this type of activity.
yeah i have axura and i'm happy with it at this point. i am going to live in denial for a while and keep checking back hoping they change their tune and start dev'ing again
It was the best
I loved this ROM and not to be too harsh, but whoever thought that would ever be okay is just a......ill keep it G rated, but yea! Seriously, its not your work and you have been asked not to post it or use it w/o express permission! I am glad to hear that they have been banned from the forums (via Master's Twitter) but seriously let this be a lesson to all of XDA, respect peoples work. Especially the people who are taking our phones from okay to the best out there! This is just rude and I am really hoping the XDA community learns from this and from here on out keeps flaming and crap like this to a minimum. Dev's can disagree and people can have their differences but that does not trump respect, and on that note if your not a Dev(which I am not) then lay off the devs a little, give them ideas/feedback but dont piss all over their work if something isnt exactly right. For the love they are building these ROMs from scraps and leaked incomplete releases! If you cant fix it yourself.....don't complain just let the Dev know and HOLD YOUR HAPPY .... ON UNTIL THEY FIX IT!
P.S. Dont know if hansmrtn will read this but if you do then thank you for standing up for us and trying to let Master agree to release the newest version to us! You rock, you didnt have to try but you did anyway. Thanks!
hey sorry guys i know this is like a super noob question and i may get flamed for this but im willing to accept that lol but from reading all this i have one main question: does this mean i cant get Axura anymore from anywhere? i dont even have my Captivate yet but i should be getting it on Monday but im planning to go straight to a ROM from the get go and i was planning to use Axura but now after reading all this im pretty sad. i know i could go with Perception v7 but id still much rather get Axura, is there any way i can still get it?
hey man
Yea as of now all Auxra Roms are gone. People probably have them on their computer but no one should, esp after this post them or give them up. Sorry man!
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Yea as of now all Auxra Roms are gone. People probably have them on their computer but no one should
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love the axura rom..glad i was able to hop on the bandwagon while i could
There are a lot of people who get rubbed the wrong way on here. I have to admit sometimes it gets pretty bad. But I also find it refreshing that the mods don't really step in to often to clean things up.
One thing i don't get is the mindset of a rom dev. I was under the impression that they have the device and have the abilities to make it better then what it is. I always thought them sharing it was a gift. With that being said i would think they would listen to suggestions but ultimately they make what they want, we are along for the ride.
I know if i were making something for myself and then sharing it to the world, I wouldn't give two poops what anyone has to say because it was made for me and to each his own.
As per releasing betas or alphas... your always going to have pirates, jerks and people who want some fame. It happens. That is why companies have nda's. Just find yourself 4 or 5 trustworthy chaps and dev dev dev!
These roms should be made for self gratification, not for kudos from xda members. You will always get crap for your hard work.
that is my piece, you may not agree.
This is a kick in the nuts to those who donated to hansmrtn, this whole fiasco had nothing to do with the captivate rom, so for him to seize development makes no sense.
This my friends....has made me so much more cautious in my donation.
I donate because I feel that it is important to show those people that do this on their free spare time, should feel like they are being appreciated for their time and work.
But their is a catch to this, if you are willing to ask for donation to a community that your a member of, I believe YOU are obligated to show some sort "code of ethics". I want to feel that I have donated to a cause of future development and support.
NOT....
News: D4A is closing at the end of the month due to the disrespect from several XDA members
I will not post the link to the website. Deserves NO recognition.
Really...? This is what your gonna give me for an explanation for why my donation on good faith was wasted! Childish.
Bad business, shows that your maturity level for this community has showed it's true colors, selfish and lack of respect for one self.
Am I asking for a refund, by all means, no. Seems like you need the money more than I do.
Am I being a little harsh, no. You have to understand, you have to look at this more on a business stand point. You advertise the donation button, which basically asking for peoples hard earn money, and you take it away just like that (doesn't matter if it is for 1 cent, still wasn't your money to begin with), ...and you feel disrespected...? Come back and ask the community the same please.
Just note that you let a lot more people down than people that you feel that disrespected you. But we'll still call the kettle black...
That's my 2 cents, back to seeing whats new.
Tried following the excuses given for pulling development on this rom. I get it that things happen and are said on this forum that are not respectful, but the greater good of the commity should out way a couple bad apples. Still using the rom. Will do so till I am bored. Allot of drama in the last couple of days
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As far as the reasons goes some people are dicks, life sucks, get over it.
The reaction is a slap in the face to all the donators and hansmrtn.
In the open source world, when this **** happens the way forward is to fork and move on.
All too often I've seen the devs at XDA get disrespected. And I see it way too much, these folks put countless hours into what we reap the benefits of. It's not their jobs, and if it was their jobs, then the disrespect becomes a bit more "tolerable". But it's on their free time they make our devices better than anything the manufacturers could produce.
As far as Axura and the devs involved in it. I felt they did some truly amazing stuff. It was brilliant work, and as it moved along it was getting really exciting to see it get better and better. I was thrilled at where it was going, it made me want to contribute to it, not in money, but in my own abilities.
The thread was a really great place. After the dev change, I can say I only saw 1 person get a bit out of line. There wasn't the bashing and BS from people coming down on noobs. It was refreshing to see for a change. Hopefully the people moving from Axura to the other ROM threads out there will carry on this to their new ROMS
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this ROM. Both in the development and in the feed back to the devs, who could then make it better for all of us
Can someone explain me in a short what exactly happened. I have red the convo with but I don't get what exactly happened. Since I switched to nexus one this forum is going nuts!
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mac208x said:
Can someone explain me in a short what exactly happened. I have red the convo with but I don't get what exactly happened. Since I switched to nexus one this forum is going nuts!
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I'll let Urban Dictionary do the talking:
"I'm going to take my ball and go home!"
"I want to be in control of the situation and if I can't then no one is going to be allowed to be happy about the outcome."
The expression comes from the playground where one kid, the one who owns the soccer ball or basket ball, doesn't get his way in the game. If he doesn't get his way then he gets mad and punishes those who are unwilling to accept his mandate. He does this my taking his ball and going home thus ending the game and any fun the participants were having.
The expression "I'm going to take my ball and go home" when directed at an individual is used to illustrate the individual's immaturity when that person can't get his way and no longer wants to be a participant in the conversation or a contributor to solving a problem.
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^^ I agree, it seemed like the issue was more about removing axura from XDA as the one individual wanted it to be exclusive to his website.
Also, it appears it is closing up because of sheer frustration. As a web host you cant be so quick to quit!
A ROM will be leaked, do you see AT&T stopping the development of FROYO because we are all spreading it around like wild fire? No.
Good thing I downloaded the rom a day before it was taken down.
After reading the convo, I was just like WTF, really?
Yeah, devs deserve respect. No one can argue otherwise. They make these roms in their free time, hoping to please themselves and other people by sharing it here. They don't have to do it, yet they still do even though other members give em **** for it.
Now, as to what Master did.
Let me ask you this question. (If you read this.)
Did you REALLY expect nobody to give you **** for your work? Were you really so NAIVE to believe that there would be no piraters, leakers, etc.? Do you REALLY think it's fair to punish YOURSELF and EVERYBODY ELSE around you just because one or two people disrespected your work?
Unfortunately, this life can be unfair. Deal with it. There will be immature douchebags that will disrespect you. That's just how life is.
What you have done is highly immature. Now hans can't develop the CE Axura anymore even AFTER he put so much work into it. Is that not disrespect? What about all those who donated to you, you just leave them in the dust just because one or two people disrespected you?
Anyways, that was my 2 cents.
Of course, being the dev, he can do whatever he wants with his rom. Remove it, put it up, it's all up to him, and, like I said, devs do this on their free time and we have no right to be disrespectful to them or to demand anything from them.
I think it was due to how it was handled which is why Master wanted it removed from XDA. However, that's not fair to Hans as he put alot of time and effort into it and he didn't want to shut it down. If anything, I think Hans should be able to release it here because it had little to nothing to do with this fiasco.
I understand why Master pulled it but sheltering it won't don't anything but hurt the rom due to very little exposure. I hope that Hans continues to dev whether it be Axura or something else.
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^^^QFMFT!!!
I spent all day trying to get a PC to flash Odin finally get it load up this ROM and what happens? It gets removed in a manner that even my kid thinks is hella immature. I feel bad for Hans because of all of the hardwork he put into it after the last feet stomping tantrum....or so I've heard. I'm just disappointed in the whole thing..
Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.
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Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.
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Hi,
I think that it was discovered fairly recently that there are some serious potential incompatibilities in the latest unofficial rom (3991), and the devs, and others have had their hands full trying to help people. I don't know firsthand, but I imagine between this forum, the irc channel, and PMs, they must helped a ton of people.
Then the woot deal happened this week, and everybody probably worried about multiples of that, so I think the posts/threads about "be careful", were just proactive to try to help users avoid problems.
JMHO.
Jim
I'm a "Wooter" and came over here to get info on ROM/firmware builds for the device. I'm a current unhacked Archos 70 owner, and have had Samsung Captivate and HTC Evo 4G as well.
I haven't really seen _much_ condescension from this community on the Woot influx. Just some tongue-in-cheek "there goes the neighborhood" and "here come the n00bs" stuff.
I'm ready to admit that I am a n00b with the Viewsonic device, but welcome any help and "ROMs for Dummies" tutorials from this community.
My device should be here on Tuesday, so I hope to see a built and optimized 2.3 firmware package by Wednesday. :-D
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Hi,
I think that it was discovered fairly recently that there are some serious potential incompatibilities in the latest unofficial rom (3991), and the devs, and others have had their hands full trying to help people. I don't know firsthand, but I imagine between this forum, the irc channel, and PMs, they must helped a ton of people.
Then the woot deal happened this week, and everybody probably worried about multiples of that, so I think the posts/threads about "be careful", were just proactive to try to help users avoid problems.
JMHO.
Jim
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That may be somewhat true but when I first bought my GTab and I got it from Office Depot and came to this thread I experienced the same unfriendly treatment. Most are just trying to learn and better GTab. Not here for confrontation, argument or unnecessary challenge.
To the original poster, I get what you are saying and don't feel singled out because you are Woot. Some here don't make newcomers feel welcome. Why I don't know. After awhile (and it should not exist at all) it tapers off, hopefully for you more sooner than later. Enjoy your GTab.
I'm a wooter, too. My woot gtab should arrive tomorrow. That said, you have to admit that the woot deal is probably the single factor that brought/will bring a significant higher people to this site. And please understand that many of us have spent years dealing with the non-tech savy. We know how the typical non-tech savy behave.
What I've generally seen so far is a lot of "please read the FAQ's" and "please use search" and "please read the instructions thoroughly when modding". I've also done a few tongue in cheek comments, but if anything else I'm not being condescending -- if anything else I'm a little nervous at the amount of users that might be coming. Everyone was a n00b once.
When new users come in small dribs and drabs, I think the forum has been able to handle it. But if there are potentially hundreds of new users in the next week, it's going to be complete madness.
I've actually re-written ALL my main posts, with Woot users in mind. If anything else, the Wooters have gotten me off my sorry arse and gotten me to really look at my instructions and go through them with a fine-tooth comb to ensure that stuff is clear.
One of the other reasons for my own temporary push of posts is because it's EOM and I may have a smaller footprint this week (work stuff). So I'm spouting my concerns now before my visibility is lessened.
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What I've generally seen so far is a lot of "please read the FAQ's" and "please use search" and "please read the instructions thoroughly when modding". I've also done a few tongue in cheek comments, but if anything else I'm not being condescending -- if anything else I'm a little nervous at the amount of users that might be coming. Everyone was a n00b once.
When new users come in small dribs and drabs, I think the forum has been able to handle it. But if there are potentially hundreds of new users in the next week, it's going to be complete madness.
I've actually re-written ALL my main posts, with Woot users in mind. If anything else, the Wooters have gotten me off my sorry arse and gotten me to really look at my instructions and go through them with a fine-tooth comb to ensure that stuff is clear.
One of the other reasons for my own temporary push of posts is because it's EOM and I may have a smaller footprint this week (work stuff). So I'm spouting my concerns now before my visibility is lessened.
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Thanks, Roebeet and I am laughing. It is always rough when you are starting out with new equipment even if it is functioning properly. Throw unstable into the mix and you will have tens of thousands trying to figure out stability real fast.
Also, I cruised Amazon's tabs yesterday and they have GTab as number one best selling on their site. The buyer's reviews all point to XDA and immediately modding your tab. I'm not kidding. This tab was a sleeper because most tech mags--cnet, pc mag, pc world, etc. gave it bad reviews. However, when people got their hands on one (from at a store, friend, peer, colleague, family member or such) it was a different story. The general public is now starting to respond favorably to GTab. You may get even more traffic.
I like your spirit though, you are good people. Look at this community as the future "tech forum facebook" 500 million and counting... Hey it is a blessing when you have multiple mainstream sites throwing traffic your way. You don't have to work at SEO rankings. Please translate that to some of the other people who are here already that make newcomers feel unwelcome. The term wooters is not nice. What happened to "new G Tab owners"? Some egos here need to be minimized on the task bar or forced close. -Peace, mostly this is a good site offering a wealth of information.
My $.02 ..
the people who have been on here, and owned a gtab for a while are the people who are more apt to purchase bleeding-edge gadgets, and are generally more savy and aware of potential problems..
Some may be viewing the "wooters" as uninformed consumers looking for the best deal ..
yeah, i realize this is a huge generalization but i imagine alot of people are thinking the same thing..
so i say "Welcome wooters !" (just don't ask a question thats been answered 38 times) hehe
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Thanks, Roebeet and I am laughing. It is always rough when you are starting out with new equipment even if it is functioning properly. Throw unstable into the mix and you will have tens of thousands trying to figure out stability real fast.
Also, I cruised Amazon's tabs yesterday and they have GTab as number one best selling on their site. The buyer's reviews all point to XDA and immediately modding your tab. I'm not kidding. This tab was a sleeper because most tech mags--cnet, pc mag, pc world, etc. gave it bad reviews. However, when people got their hands on one (from at a store, friend, peer, colleague, family member or such) it was a different story. The general public is now starting to respond favorably to GTab. You may get even more traffic.
I like your spirit though, you are good people. Look at this community as the future "tech forum facebook" 500 million and counting... Hey it is a blessing when you have multiple mainstream sites throwing traffic your way. You don't have to work at SEO rankings. Please translate that to some of the other people who are here already that make newcomers feel unwelcome. The term wooters is not nice. What happened to "new G Tab owners"? Some egos here need to be minimized on the task bar or forced close. -Peace, mostly this is a good site offering a wealth of information.
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I was a Wooter long before I joined XDA - don't worry, it's an acceptable term and we wear it with pride.
Btw, I have NEVER managed to snag a Bandolier of Carrots - always a bridesmaid, never a bride.....
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Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.
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I know this is off topic but couldn't help and notice you're a Razorbacks fan. Good to see another Arkansas guy here on the forums. Where are you located? I'm in Conway right now attending UCA. I'm also another wooter waiting for his G-Tablet!
Maybe us Wooters could be put to use. I'd be glad to donate some time to work on a wiki, for example, although I've never actually put one together. Surely there is something that new board members could do.
Sorry for the long post but I must echo the sentiments of others. It is not the intent of most to make new members feel unwelcome, as I can remember when I first got the Gtabs for my wife and myself after finding the community support of XDA. Even in the smaller Gtab/XDA community, members had problems and needed to be helped, many would not use the search function and just ask repeatedly about issues that had already been addressed and resolved. Now that Android tablets are coming to light with the heavily advertised Xoom, the fear is simply that thanks to the overwhelming response to WOOT the common questions will appear again and again as our great forums expand to receive more and more new members. I'm sure that there is no animosity or malice intended, just an attempt to make new members aware of possible pitfalls and resolutions. More users will make this forum and the Gtab better and better.
Welcome to all
I don't think the majority of the users are treating Wooters as idiots, just trying to make their Gtab experience a good one. R emember that when most of us started adding ROMs there weren't several stock builds and several dozen flavors of ROMs to choose from. Also the users that experienced severe interaction problems were bleeding edge guys who expected issues and were willing to work through them. Based on many of the new owners questions, many are expecting to load a new ROM and have an ipad killer. As you read the rooting instructions don't skip the " Risk" section.
Its not just going to be the wooters. Circut City and Tiger Direct selling it for $299. there will be alot of wooters, Tigers and Circiters I guess. This forum is going to explode soon with folks. I dont think people are condesending but I think alot of folks are nerveous about the amount of people coming in here by next weekend.
Here's the biggest drawback I see.
1.) Influx of lazy forum users who post a question without searching. Those new threads go unanswered or with more knowledgeable members say "Use the search". Now, non-lazy forum users come in, with their newly purchased GTab, hit the search, and they end up with 3 pages of useless threads as listed before.
2.) The knowledgeable members need to work on concentrating the info into ONE FAQ or Wiki style. Right now, the number of stuck threads is getting a tad ridiculous. When there are 12 stuck threads that say "READ FIRST", it falls into the same category as the saying "If everything is high priority, nothing is".
I almost wish we could lock the ROMs from being downloaded, until someone has READ 10 threads (as opposed to being able to post in the dev section prior to posting 10 times).
In saying all that, I read a lot before I bought my tab, I read a few threads multiple times AFTER I bought my tab, to make sure I was doing it right. I just wish others had the same patience and diligence.
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Its not just going to be the wooters. Circut City and Tiger Direct selling it for $299. there will be alot of wooters, Tigers and Circiters I guess. This forum is going to explode soon with folks. I dont think people are condesending but I think alot of folks are nerveous about the amount of people coming in here by next weekend.
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Nervous? I'm terrified.
I've been on the Woot! GTAB discussion thread, heavily. Long before I chimed in, XDA was mentioned repeatedly over there.
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Here's the biggest drawback I see.
1.) Influx of lazy forum users who post a question without searching. Those new threads go unanswered or with more knowledgeable members say "Use the search". Now, non-lazy forum users come in, with their newly purchased GTab, hit the search, and they end up with 3 pages of useless threads as listed before.
2.) The knowledgeable members need to work on concentrating the info into ONE FAQ or Wiki style. Right now, the number of stuck threads is getting a tad ridiculous. When there are 12 stuck threads that say "READ FIRST", it falls into the same category as the saying "If everything is high priority, nothing is".
I almost wish we could lock the ROMs from being downloaded, until someone has READ 10 threads (as opposed to being able to post in the dev section prior to posting 10 times).
In saying all that, I read a lot before I bought my tab, I read a few threads multiple times AFTER I bought my tab, to make sure I was doing it right. I just wish others had the same patience and diligence.
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When I re-wrote my ROM posts, I moved the downloads nearer to the bottom, on purpose, with the hopes that new users would read through the post first. Probably unlikely, but worth a shot.
Btw, there's already a request for a Wiki or main FAQ section, via the moderator thread in General (I chimed in, as well). But I don't get the feeling that it's going to happen, at least not yet.
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Nervous? I'm terrified.
I've been on the Woot! GTAB discussion thread, heavily. Long before I chimed in, XDA was mentioned repeatedly over there.
When I re-wrote my ROM posts, I moved the downloads nearer to the bottom, on purpose, with the hopes that new users would read through the post first. Probably unlikely, but worth a shot.
Btw, there's already a request for a Wiki or main FAQ section, via the moderator thread in General (I chimed in, as well). But I don't get the feeling that it's going to happen, at least not yet.
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Lol, I was one of those answering questions and pushing people sitting on the fense over into our yard.
Great device- Great people here Talked work into picking up 9 for the techs .
Selling my personal one and picking up a xoom (got a work one comming now )
I have seen the n00b bashing on this forum before... Sometimes I sympathise with both sides though....
I have seen where the whole first page is 75% I have bricked my tablet HELP!!! and then someone else posts same thing again....
Other times I have seen a single Help post only to be met with USE THE SEARCH N00b!!!... When the issue actually wasn't something answered completely before..
SO I think we all need to take a chill pill (except Roebeet, He is totally exempt and allowed to throw a fit if he wants he he) And just deal with answering the same question 5k times . The returns from it should be pretty good. The larger the community the more developers etc we will also inherit
I am a fellow wooter and am looking forward to getting my G tablet tomorrow. I was pretty intent on doing a mod but with recent posts I am re considering that decision. I just hope that Honeycomb is released for the device eventually, although I will not hold my breath.
Roebeet, I think you should look at this as an opportunity. I have not even received my tablet yet but I have already donated $5 to you. There are over 10,000 new owners who could all use your advice and your expertice. If they all do the same you could have a nice side career. I hope I will never have to bother you for any assitance. I think I will stay stock for a while and then maybe I will try a ROM. I am not a total newb, I did manage to successfully root my Droid and install Gingerbread, but I am always squeamish about modding devices. You can fail a heck of lot easier than you can succeed. But if I do ever need help I think that you are the guy!
Think I am more on the fence about modding also due to the low cost of thbis tablet. If you do something to it you cant return it for a new one at woot. Woot doesnt really do returns easy and if they do take it back you get your money back not a new one. then if you want another you will have to get lucky looking for another deal ( like at Tiger Direct this weekend) or buy one for $400. For me thats too risky to just play around with it.
ALso as for honeycomb on here. Probally a better chance that it will happen considering that there are 10-15 thousand more G Tablet owners now then there were last week. They dont support devices for long if they dont sell but this G tablet is now a big seller. * Woot-Circut Ciity-Tiger Direct etc).
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My $.02 ..
the people who have been on here, and owned a gtab for a while are the people who are more apt to purchase bleeding-edge gadgets, and are generally more savy and aware of potential problems..
Some may be viewing the "wooters" as uninformed consumers looking for the best deal ..
yeah, i realize this is a huge generalization but i imagine alot of people are thinking the same thing..
so i say "Welcome wooters !" (just don't ask a question thats been answered 38 times) hehe
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Well I think those who might feel that way, need to do a reality check. It is really is hard being a noob and everyone starts out as one.
Yes, I am a deal hunter but hardly an uninformed consumer. Hopefully people are aware of what they are getting themselves in for, but true there will be some who have no clue.
From what I have seen/read, the seniors and mods have been good and fair, but like other blogs, the search sucks and people get scared/frustrated so patience and education will be required. It's tough reading a zillion posts to find an answer.
Just my two cents.
FYI I've been a software developer for 25+ years and was literally doing ROMs (as in burning images to silicon) before the idea of smart phones or tablets existed. I worked at a small company named "Poqet Computer" (hence the poqeteer alias), the first pocket sized PC. Unfortunately it was way before its time and like other startups... Died. Also unfortunately that has very little to do with this piece of hardware... So please be kind to this and all other noobs.
- Lance.
I haven't decided what I plan to do about my GTAB yet, but I have decided on what I plan to do about my participation here in the GTAB section on XDA - I am retiring my GTAB XDA mods after this weekend. Most likely, they will be moved to, including TwoTapsX which I plan to reactivate for at least the short term. I will probably lurk here and post, but I won't be an active modder - I will do that on. Basically, I will do the same thing here that I do on Xoom forum, on XDA.
Basically, my character has been attacked repeatedly, in the last month -- two people even went so far as to say that they only reason I make threads here (i.e. my recent Viewsonic one) is so I can incite people and then convince them to give me more donations. Anyone who's been around long enough knows how long it took me to even accept donations, as I was always very hesitant. As a music lover, I actually mentioned one of the things I purchased with everyone's generosity, and some people obviously thought I was "rubbing it in" (I'm using their words). But I was really just doing it to say "thank you".
First off, if you agree with this assessment of my character and you did send me a donation, please PM me with your email address and I will refund whatever donation you had sent to me, with no questions asked. If you feel you made a mistake, then I certainly don't want to keep your money.
I had actually pulled my donations page yesterday before today's blowout, but obviously there are people here who think I still have ulterior motives in what I do. If this were my day job and someone attacked me in this way, I would take this very personally and this is no different. I am very hurt by these negative remarks and if it wasn't for the users here, I would just pack up and leave without even saying anything - but that's not fair to you, if you use my mods.
Besides the insinuation that I only incite people to get donations, I've also been attacked that I don't frequent the IRC enough when users have issues with my mods (in other words, that I don't do enough post-production support). Also that my concerns about the new Woot! users last month were unfounded and that nothing needed to be done (yes, I got a lot of flack for those remarks - @Woot users, what I did was asked for a FAQ or updated Wiki so that way when the users came pouring in they wouldn't be asking the same questions over and over) and that my latest posts about Viewsonic are just "whining" (again, exact words) that have no place here. And lastly that when I get upset that my character is being attacked, that I'm just overreacting and should just "calm down".
Why am I writing all this? Because I just want everyone here to know the reason WHY I'm doing this.
Now assuming that the moderators don't ban me outright because of my comments here, my plan is to wind things down this weekend. I will setup threads in with TNT Lite, gADAM and TwoTapsX, and then just link from here to there. And if the mods don't want me to do that, then I will just erase my first posts and just write that they've been moved to, and that will be the end of it.
I want to apologize to everyone who doesn't completely understand my reasons for doing this. My mods will still exist, but this way XDA can disavow all knowledge of what I do, if they see fit to. As for my recent threads, I will take a backseat from now on and treat myself as a low-activity user. I will still post, but again not as an active modder, and assuming I don't end up getting banned of course.
I'm sorry to hear about this. I honestly thought you were one of the most loved devs here. Regardless of what others say, I still love you.
Anyway, I donated $300,000. Can I have it back?
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I'm sorry to hear about this. I honestly thought you were one of the most loved devs here. Regardless of what others say, I still love you.
Anyway, I donated $300,000. Can I have it back?
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I needed a good laugh, right about now.
Don't leave
Seriously though, whoever's been harassing you is insane.
Donations aren't mandatory, I don't get why someone would have a problem with you having a place to accept donations. You're putting hard time and effort into something that you're receiving no guaranteed compensation for.
With that being said, you shouldn't leave because two people are being clowns. The Woot / Tiger Direct / cheaper sales of this tablet elsewhere have brought in a new audience, of which a small (but sizable) percentage are morons. Modders here are having to put huge cigarette-size warning labels on their mods because people are mindlessly bricking their tablets, a whole slew of stupid, repeatedly answered questions have been posted, posting in wrong forums... this has just started about a month or two ago.
Consider staying, please. Shirk off the animals, they're not worth your frustration. I'll follow your postings wherever you are, I just want you to stay here because of how strong the community is, and you're a big part of it.
i pretty new to the whole seen, only having brought my gtab bout 2 mos ago. i purchased it because of finding and reading xda. ive modded alot of stuff in the past (xbox, psp, razors etc) and havent done any modding since the older i got the lazier i got. i dont know you roebeet but i gotta tell ya, there are ALOT of trolls on xda. alot. if someone called you out over some nonsense then i dont blame ya for migrating, as i much like you it seems, have little patience for nonsense. i will prob lurk on over to those other sites, because quite frankly, im impressed and enjoy the work you do. as well as gojimi and the others. trolls suck. im behind ya 100%, peace!
Saddened
Robeet
I am deeply saddened to see you leave this group. I have appreciated your support and insight for sdeveral months. It was your talent that inspired me to do my first mods.
You have my greatest admiration and respect for what you have accomplished here and will be truly missed.
Hate to see you step back but I fully understand!... Thanks for keeping me from regretting buying this viewsonic supportless device... (last product i buy from them)
L8r
If you leave, the trolls win. Don't do it!
Sorry to hear this.. But so far i am loving your TNTLite 4.40 no issues and no problems.. I hope we all can still get your mods going forward.
I'm not going to name names (as that's not professional) but it's not casual users that are attacking me. They have a very heavy presence here, and on the IRC. They are not trolls.
This is also not a knee-jerk reaction - this started last month after TNT Lite 5 and has been slowly coming to a head, over the least few weeks. It just came to blows finally, today.
I do not blame you at all. XDA in general has been full of morons as of late and they are pushing away devs who end up starting their own forums. Read some of @shift on twitter, he is an EVO dev.
Your work is appreciated, do not think otherwise. Thanks for your help an we will follow.
Did not now we had a "corporate XDA" <-sory Joke
Come to the Xoom side! I'm buying mine tonight
Roebeet, your work will be missed. I think anyone thinking you post to incite anger and solicit donations is just trying to do some mud slinging. I for one will follow your work wherever it goes.
Hi Robeet, I'm definitely saddened by this but understand decisions sometimes need to be made to keep our own sanity. Thank you for everything you have done, it is much appreciated. Hopefully we'll see you around.
I am a woot buyer and one of the reasons I had the confidence to make my purchase was because of your comments. And now, when I'm quickly perusing posts, whenever I see something from you, I will always read it in its entirety.
I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and the effort you have put forth to make my gTab ownership a great experience. I also respect that fact that you have opinions and are certainly entitled to them. I'm sure it's hard to ignore the negative forces that exist in this forum. I wish you would try.
Please reconsider your position.
sc
Are you going to be posting all your Roms and Mods and updates and instructions under the Gtablet section on slatedroid website for future ones that u come out with. Just want to stay with you and make sure that i stay upto date with all your releases.
sad to hear...
Sorry to hear about this. I haven't publicly thanked you for your contributions to this tab so I want to do it now. Thanks!!! I have used all of your ROMs at one time or another.
Please reconsider and stay here 100%!!!
Sorry to hear this Roe...
I for one am someone that bought the gTab from Woot and have felt that you, above anyone else, has been out here trying to help folks.
I donated to ya based on your help to myself and others, not because of your ROM. You deserve the respect, IMHO.
If what you say is true (and I believe it is) and I were in your shoes, I would be even more driven to excel here as a dev. You're a good egg, Roe, from what I have seen here and over at Woot. I feel bad for those that are given you a hard time. Jealousy is not sexy.
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I'm not going to name names (as that's not professional) but it's not casual users that are attacking me. They have a very heavy presence here, and on the IRC. They are not trolls.
This is also not a knee-jerk reaction - this started last month after TNT Lite 5 and has been slowly coming to a head, over the least few weeks. It just came to blows finally, today.
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they may not be trolls, but there certainly are alot of them.
I wrote about it here: LINK
Does anyone know more about the background - from the twitter account it seems like just a general run-down and a disappointing community.
Other developers on here feel the same?
I'd love to get comments from some of the developers on here, if that is the case.
I'm not a developer but did read this already on a posting at Google+.
But you are right, moving into that direction would be very bad.
Some people think they can be rude because they stay anonymous.
Its something that happens more and more these days on the internet.
I realize it's impossible - there are 12 year olds who probably run rampant.
Seems like there is SOMETHING that can be done.
I'm as Pro-Android as they come. But at times it feels like starting a relationship with a beautiful boy/girl only to find they come with a sack load of emotional baggage.
Here's my take on it: http://andgamesdevblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/android-culture-its-own-worst-enemy.html
I am far from giving up (thick skinned) but there is a real troll culture growing and needs to be stomped out. Anonymity has it's uses but, as with everything else, has its drawbacks. What we need is troll hunters!
Paul
(aka Strangemoo)
I have seen that there are some stupid comments on the market... But not so extreme as to take down your app...
Some users is just plain stupid... I'm from Denmark, so a lot of the comments are in danish... But that devs are many times foreign and really don't look or understand the comments... But a lot of them complain about pathetic things like no app 2 sd or that some function suddenly's gone instead of just writing the dev an email about the issue and giving the app the respect it deserves... 1/5 rating is a lot of the times not justified...
Just my 2-cents...
I'm sorry but this is a silly and immature move by the developer. Receiving negative feedback, dealing with trolls and idiotic users that don't understand technology are fundamental assumptions of the internet, just like not giving out your passwords or helping Nigerian princes get their money out of Africa.
I loved ShootMe and used it for our screenshots, but I don't have a lot of empathy for people that empower others to control how they feel.
Wrote about this a few weeks back: http://www.androidstatic.com/what-shootme-removed-from-the-android-market
I work in IT support and one of the things I have to support is phones. It blows my mind how many 10-12 year old kids have nicer phones than I do because their rich mommy and daddys think their precious little angels needs the latest and greatest smart phones. I went over to a client's office a couple of months ago and he had 3 brand new Droid 2s for his kids, ranging from 10-14.
Point of all this?
In this day and age, there are so many rude little kids with nice phones all over these forums, its amazing to me anyone sticks around. Im over 40 and was raised in a different time than these self entitled children I see around here that want everything now, for free and want you to do it for them.
I cant blame the guy for leaving. A lot of times I wish I could go live on an island somewhere where I didnt have to deal with people because most of them suck.
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I wrote about it here: LINK
Does anyone know more about the background - from the twitter account it seems like just a general run-down and a disappointing community.
Other developers on here feel the same?
I'd love to get comments from some of the developers on here, if that is the case.
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I'm not a developer, but I was a ShootMe user on my EVO 4G. When it received the upgrade to Gingerbread, the app stopped working. The developer never replied to my email and from reading comments on Market didn't reply to anyone.
He did finally released a new version of ShootMe, but you had to have a computer to use it. Also everytime your reboot your phone, you had to sync everytime with your computer.
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Welcome to the "masses".
Want a better experience? Go smaller. Dev for Windows Phone, or Web OS, or RIM.
Once something becomes part of the main stream, you'll see the d-bags start rolling in. Even something like xda can be tarnished once it "gets too big". There is hardly a day that goes by where I don't read a thread here that doesn't make me shake my head. This used to be a highly technical forum, back when every devices was htc and running windows mobile.
The only thing that can really be done, is to work with a smaller, more appreciative community. I doubt you would get very many jerk off comments from a Windows Phone user, they are happy to get whatever they can.
All very good points. I wish I had put a little into my thoughts before typing that up - dev's need to be tougher AND respond to people.
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All very good points. I wish I had put a little into my thoughts before typing that up - dev's need to be tougher AND respond to people.
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As a android developer IMHO the android community is as bad as they come. Xda for example used to be a place of collaboration. Currently its a place where maybe .1% do dev, .9% appreciate the development and try to help, 99% ether complain or say nothing at all. Whether the development is for free or profite(which I won't evev get into here) how is a developer supposed to work off of that? Users would rather right a comment blasting a developer who has literally spent days of his life on some product without even attempting to resolve the issue themselves.
I'm not saying some complaints are not warranted, just saying flip the coin around and its not so hard to understand the developers standpoint.
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There is no denying that there is frustration on both sides. This frustration seems to stem from expectation, communication and control.
The developer expects their customers to be civil.
The users expects the developers to devote anything between some to all of their resources/free time building/making their products better.
Both are unreasonable expectations if you think about it.
Civility can only be maintained in a mediated environment - the Android Market seems only concerned about brand and copyright issues. Google seems to think that it's ok to put its developer behind chicken-wire with lights in their eyes whilst their customers are free to hurl beer bottles at them. Dealing with anony-trolls is time consuming and offputting.
Developers range from teenagers with spare time on their hands up to multi-million dollar development studios. I, myself, am a father of three, I work a full week (we've got to eat!) and I code when time permits. Even though I respond to every request put to my apps, if you think that I'm going to compromise the balance of other areas of my life to put in a bug fix - think again. Sure, some of the more effluent businesses can throw more resources into a project, but just bare in mind that most of us are just people and not doormats. Respect and encouragement is all it takes to make the market a happy place. Flaming just ruins things for all (on both sides).
Communication between devs and end users is and most likely always will be a bit of a sticking point. The fact that everyone has their own opinions, likes, dislikes kind of makes it obvious that there will never be an app with 100% 5 stars. Even the most popular apps on the market have ratings across the board. Though, admittedly, some of the low grades may be down to trolling - but some of them will be genuine. Communication takes time. From a user, it may take a couple of minutes out of their day. For the dev, they may have hundreds a day to deal with. This takes them away from the development that the mail is probably asking for!
A user doesn't, and should never have control over the developer. They should, however, be able to request, beg, plead *nicely*. If they get frustrated then they should remember the phrase 'you get what you pay for'. The developer doesn't get any money when you bought your phone - so don't think they have any obligation to give you something for nothing. If it's a paid app, then the developer is saying 'yes, I'll support it.' That's fair sport.
The developer should have some control over their customers in the sense that a shopkeeper can choose who they let in their shops. Unfortunately they have none. They can't even moderate the comments on the market. I've had a 'GAY - Pointless, uninstall' (his words, not mine) on a free app downloaded 12,000 times and has a 4* rating. I can't do anything about it. It always appears when people go to the page. This individual has hurt my app and me without provocation. I didn't ask anything from them. Fortunately, the following message pointed out that the 'Pointless' user was an idiot (thanks XZombie), hopefully it will negate some of the damage. We're completely at the mercy of the masses, and being a relatively new dev, it's a scary place to be!
It's a shame that the most influential party in all of this is hiding behind a wall of silence.
If you're interested - I'm keeping a track of my experience of Android development. The link is in my earlier post.
Paul
Strangemoo
Paul, I do agree with you to a point. But I'm not sure if I like about developers editing comments. But I do see what you mean about people leaving dumb comments for an app that does work.
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Katt,
I don't suggest developers could edit comments - that would make the process equally pointless, as devs can put all of the 'nice' things they want in the description anyway. Sorry if I implied otherwise.
Devs should be able to either remove, request for removal or even block the rogue elements. At present, we have to just live with the insults with no way to disprove their claims. Even a 'troll flag' would be an improvement - to show other users that the dev disagrees with the comment.
All accountability is on the devs whereas trolls can run freely.
Do any other devs out there agree with me on this? Others may have had a much more dealings with such than I have.
Cheers,
Paul
IMO if google was smart they would allow for a limited ammount(% of total) of "submissions" of there comments to a third party(google). If they are found outlandish they can be removed.
My 2 cents lol. I can say as a dev of a few apps on the market I have gotten rediculous comments n 1 stars b4. I mean if they are justified that's a different thing entirely. But my 1 stars are disproportionally higher then the trend of the others. Which proves one thing...
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This is an honestly great thread. Good initiative to |OP|
Taking down an app just because of a few nasty comments is just
childish and quite frankly pathetic.
Seems that developer has chucked his toys out the pram, if he does
decide to release it again who is going to trust such a developer?
I know I wouldn't use the app again, seeing as he's stuck 2 fingers up
to loyal users and the whole android community all because of a small
minority of people.
The whole thing stinks of the guy thinking he is above any kind of bad
feedback, obviously a developer that doesn't listen to the users of his
app and a developer that turns his back at the drop of a hat.
I'm sure he will be missed... Not
Ps. there are better screenshot apps out there
I agree with your comment. Though I am not a dev. I have experience working in the retail end of software. This is a I want it now society, folks forget that they got this software/app for free and as soon as they have a little issue they fly off the deep end cussing out the maker/distribitor of the product. Anyhow like you said you get what you pay for.LIke in my IT course in school my book said "check the dummy behind the keyboard" anyhow thanks for the great apps i use the time flies app.
If a dev dropped his customers because of a couple of snide comments then, yeah, I'd agree with you.
But was that the case for ShootMe?
Before we start flinging hooks around here, wouldn't it be more productive to actually find out what happened first.
I may be proven wrong here, but the guy must've been given some serious grief to take such a newsworthy action.
In fact, that's not been mentioned - it could be media storming. Drum up enough publicity and come back blazing. Only time will tell on that one.
At the end of the day, it's his property. And if he makes a lot of people unhappy that's his prerogative. The reason he's giving though are indeed a real issue the community needs to address.
The plot thickens.
(Glad you like Times Flies! You're most welcome)
Paul
I've noticed that the flavor of a community will vary a lot by device. The Captivate community seems to be generally good and helpful for the most part, but I've heard horror stories of ungratefulness and rudeness about communities around other devices. It may be the same sort of thing with different varieties of apps. If people feel like an app performs a function they deserve outright, they may be less inclined to courtesy and more inclined to selfish expectation.
after 1800 in 2 mos for two phones and headaches im steppin out the door.
DONT belittle my post bud, i been through 3 devices in 2 months or less. i can rant to my hearts content.
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And gee, maybe instead of crying about it and posting some half baked rant, you can maybe explain. I spent 2 months, 10 hours and 43 people just trying to get an order straightened out. They're customer service is deplorable. I was told straight out by a manager I wouldn't be compensated for the 9 hours I'd spent because, well, I needed to take care of the problem, so I had to deal with it for 9 hours. But posting some lame post like, boo hoo, I'm leaving. Ok, why?
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thats another reason to leave carrier, responses like that pal.
YOU need to have someone help you with what issue you have because nothing to typed relates to topic, its just a unacceptable and unethical response. theres forums not in xda that can help you deal with why youre upset.does it feel good to belittle another the way you did. im sure others will see what im seeing as way off topic and way abusive. im sorry if you're angry in life enough to attempt to create chaos. why even reply in that manner, nothing is relevant to the issue. im glad i have a principled life with ethics and morality. TWICE YOU ABUSED ME HERE AND TARGETING ME for your entertainment. i ask anyone to see the replies given, and even my family sees it as beyond abusive
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