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Hi guys,developers,friends etc. Our dreams came true and we finally got 8.1 android on our Rosy ...
http://bigota.d.miui.com/8.11.8/miui_HM5Global_8.11.8_ecfe344f48_8.1.zip
It comes ,acording to the telegram group ,with AntiRoll Back feature ... and China Beta will get oreo in the next update,so xiaomi.eu ROMs will have it from next week...
AntiRoll Back is in, so careful
Turning off find my device and reset to factory default don't do this combo. Endless bootloop ahed. :crying:
They rollback update. Not available for download.
It means fp fix is coming??
Nishat14904BD said:
It means fp fix is coming??
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Yes. The fix is already in. Some ROMs have it. Try PE for example.
Hello
I have the version installed since yesterday
I do not have any bug's yet
the camera works flawlessly
the only thing that does not work is switching the region
If I want to switch, the app aborts
Can someone confirm this or only I have the problem
unfortunately, the topic app is therefore set to china
The bug for switching regions has been in MIUI global for several releases.
Can anyone tell me if I'd be able to flash back to a custom ROM after flashing this ROM due to the anti rollback?
Anybody?
Is this an antirollback rom?
If this is an antirollback rom,
I flashed this ROM for just little experience.
Big mistake of life.
I can't go my favorite ROM miui 9.6.4:crying::crying::crying:
Nur 13 said:
Is this an antirollback rom?
If this is an antirollback rom,
I flashed this ROM for just little experience.
Big mistake of life.
I can't go my favorite ROM miui 9.6.4:crying::crying::crying:
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I think you can but you have to flash a firmware
drnoellyg said:
I think you can but you have to flash a firmware
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Cloud you pls tell me the process??
What about fastboot method
But now have the project treble support?
New OTA available for POCO F1
V11.0.6.0QEJMIXM stable
Size 375M
Feb-2020 Security Patch
MANUAL INSTALL
For those who didn't receive the update till now.
http://bigota.d.miui.com/V11.0.6.0.QEJMIXM/miui_POCOF1Global_V11.0.6.0.QEJMIXM_e45c83a2db_10.0.zip
For me it's 1.9G
what about bugs?
jobitjoseph1 said:
New OTA available for POCO F1
V11.0.6.0QEJMIXM stable
Size 375M
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To bad it's not OOS 10.3 [emoji16]
Sent from my ONEPLUS A6010 using Tapatalk
Anyone got Viper4Android to work with this new version? No luck for me. All the methods which worked with the previous version failed. One method got it installed, but it stopped processing as soon as a audiofile is played.
Edit: This guide and files worked (once again) after several installs of the driver and reboots. https://forum.xda-developers.com/poco-f1/how-to/viper4android-patch-miui-11-base-t4039117
Nash123 said:
Anyone got Viper4Android to work with this new version? No luck for me. All the methods which worked with the previous version failed. One method got it installed, but it stopped processing as soon as a audiofile is played.
Edit: This guide and files worked (once again) after several installs of the driver and reboots. https://forum.xda-developers.com/poco-f1/how-to/viper4android-patch-miui-11-base-t4039117
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Follow this method:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-7/how-to/dolby-digital-plus-viper4-miui-pie-rom-t3958080
After all open viperfx and install driver, device will reboot in loop.
Now go to recovery and flash viper patch:
https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=4349826312261708283
Works fine in latest miui.eu 11 android Q
Mukesh kalaga said:
what about bugs?
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I think it should have many bug fixes for last update
Hi
is it possible to apply Magisk after upgrading?
Actually I'm on 11.0.5.0(PEJMIXM) Android 9 with Magisk
Thanks
magaedy said:
I think it should have many bug fixes for last update
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After nearly 24 hrs test, I'm feeling some improvement on battery life and the drain is less than previous update
48 hours later: ROM is defective as previous v11.0.4.
crash / reboot / losing app preferences config / mock location unstable / crashing
No such issues with 11.0.4. Did you try to do a factory reset? Usually it helps with such strange issues.
katoda_ltd said:
No such issues with 11.0.4. Did you try to do a factory reset? Usually it helps with such strange issues.
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This started happening after OTA update to 11.0.4
I've manually updated to 11.0.6 but same thing.
Thanks for the suggestion. I did that in the past with another Xiaomi device but the thing is that I'd like to avoid losing everything & restart from scratch...
I tried to clean all data/cache for all apps with a cleaner but without luck.
I'm hoping that a newer ROM will be able to fix the issue... Maybe I'm wrong... Will see with next update...
I have sent numerous crash bug reports to Xiaomi but they never bothered to contact me about it.
It seems they don't care or are too busy.
Give it a try, I saw a lot of reports where a factory reset solved such bizarre problems happening after major software change.
After flashing this I find out it is a Chinese ROM not the EU one and having issues with sim card not being recognized.......a lot of issues later I got the Sim card working again so be careful......
stinka318 said:
After flashing this I find out it is a Chinese ROM not the EU one and having issues with sim card not being recognized.......a lot of issues later I got the Sim card working again so be careful......
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How did you find out this is a chinese ROM ?
After updating manually the one shared in this thread this is listed as :
MIUI Global 11.0.6.0 (QEJMIXM)
SimurghXDA said:
How did you find out this is a chinese ROM ?
After updating manually the one shared in this thread this is listed as :
MIUI Global 11.0.6.0 (QEJMIXM)
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Your to funny the EU rom is not out yet this is the global version of the Chinese rom.......flash with care....
After flashing this I couldn't get my Poco to connect with Sim card it doesn't mean that anyone else will have that problem......
stinka318 said:
Your to funny the EU rom is not out yet this is the global version of the Chinese rom.......flash with care....
After flashing this I couldn't get my Poco to connect with Sim card it doesn't mean that anyone else will have that problem......
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"euro" rom !?
do you mean global?
I used the one shared by subhraw here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=81926515&postcount=3
instead of laughing you should tell us why you think it's a chinese only rom...
normally you cannot update a global rom with a chinese rom without doing a flash update
I did NOT use a flash tool (used instead MIUI update option)
so this is probably not a chinese only but a beta global ROM but I might be wrong...
SimurghXDA said:
"euro" rom !?
do you mean global?
I used the one shared by subhraw here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=81926515&postcount=3
instead of laughing you should tell us why you think it's a chinese only rom...
normally you cannot update a global rom with a chinese rom without doing a flash update
I did NOT use a flash tool (used instead MIUI update option)
so this is probably not a chinese only but a beta global ROM but I might be wrong...
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Because it tells you the region in the rom well it did for me and when I looked for a European version of this ROM it told me it was coming Soon........
A couple of days ago I installed on my Poco F2 Pro (via OTA) the MIUI Global Stable 12.2.4.0 (RJKEUXM), android version 11, RKQ1.200826.002.
After this 'upgrade' I am experiencing major bugs (1. no storage for dual apps in file manager. 2. Apps can only be installed directly from google play store 3. Many links, posted in apps like WhatsApp, don't open. 4. Under File Manager, the option 'Open in another app', doesn't work properly as the 'other apps shown' are not the correct ones. 5. No notifications for apps like WhatsApp, Viber, Messenger. 5. Some apps crash, .etc etc.
I have the bootloader locked, is there a way that I can revert to the previous MIUI 12 Android 10 (V 12.0.3.0 QJKEUXM) flashing the recovery rom through the updater without losing all the data, apps and settings?
Or the only option is to flash the fastboot rom with mi flash or the recovery rom with twrp?
in doing so, is there any problem with the ARB feature risking to brick the phone?
Thanks
flash the fastboot rom with mi flash is better but before you can try flash https://xiaomifirmwareupdater.com/miui/lmi/stable/V12.2.4.0.RJKEUXM/ with miflash(cleanall option)
Unlockbootloader mandatory.
Waiting for the authorization to unlock the bootloader (168 hours), shall I try with factory reset to check if it solves my problems with the MIUI 12 Android 11?
Thanks
GinoxR said:
Waiting for the authorization to unlock the bootloader (168 hours), shall I try with factory reset to check if it solves my problems with the MIUI 12 Android 11?
Thanks
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This version is buggy, wait for unlocking.
The xiaomi eu stable roms are better than the origins.
NOSS8 said:
This version is buggy, wait for unlocking.
The xiaomi eu stable roms are better than the origins.
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Then I will unlock and flash the previous version of the stock MIUI 12 (Android 10). But is there any problem in flashing a previous version of the ROM? I am referring to the ARB feature. Though, as far as I know, if there is any problem with the ARB, MiFlash will not flash the ROM.
Thanks
GinoxR said:
Then I will unlock and flash the previous version of the stock MIUI 12 (Android 10). But is there any problem in flashing a previous version of the ROM? I am referring to the ARB feature. Though, as far as I know, if there is any problem with the ARB, MiFlash will not flash the ROM.
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ARB is not a problem since there is a solution.
NOSS8 said:
ARB is not a problem since there is a solution.
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Any link ? I will also check the ARB number of both ROM, may be is the same
GinoxR said:
Any link ? I will also check the ARB number of both ROM, may be is the same
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just remove a few lines of code from a rom file (https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-anti-rollback-protection-brick-phone/).
But ARB is not systematic, try it first.
And flash a global rom.
NOSS8 said:
just remove a few lines of code from a rom file (https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-anti-rollback-protection-brick-phone/).
But ARB is not systematic, try it first.
And flash a global rom.
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Thanks Bro
what a disaster of release, bugs everywhere and no gestures
NOSS8 said:
This version is buggy, wait for unlocking.
The xiaomi eu stable roms are better than the origins
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After the numerous serious bugs mentioned in my first post, i reverted to the MIUI Global Stable 12.0.3.0 (QJKEUXM) Android 10, and my Poco F2 Pro has been working fine since then.
Does anyone know if the major bugs (I guess mostly due to Android 11) have been solved with the latest system update MIUI Global Stable 12.5.1.0 (RJKEUXM)?
I am quite reluctant to install any update based on Android 11 after the mess happened to my phone last January.
Thanks
GinoxR said:
After the numerous serious bugs mentioned in my first post, i reverted to the MIUI Global Stable 12.0.3.0 (QJKEUXM) Android 10, and my Poco F2 Pro has been working fine since then.
Does anyone know if the major bugs (I guess mostly due to Android 11) have been solved with the latest system update MIUI Global Stable 12.5.1.0 (RJKEUXM)?
I am quite reluctant to install any update based on Android 11 after the mess happened to my phone last January.
Thanks
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https://c.mi.com/global/forum-2703-1.html
https://c.po.co/global/circle/circledetail/10008
Some have more or less been resolved but others have appeared (never ending story).
NOSS8 said:
https://c.mi.com/global/forum-2703-1.html
https://c.po.co/global/circle/circledetail/10008
Some have more or less been resolved but others have appeared (never ending story).
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Thanks, then i stay with the 12.0.3.0 (QJKEUXM) as my phone is working really smoothly
GinoxR said:
Thanks, then i stay with the 12.0.3.0 (QJKEUXM) as my phone is working really smoothly
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Just to clarify:
Stock Rom:
RJKMIXM = Global Rom
RJKEUXM = rom EEA
RJKRUXM=Russian rom
RJKCNXM=Chinesse rom
RJKTRXM=turkish rom
RJKIDXM=Indonesian ROM
Miui custom rom
Xiaomi EU rom
One Os rom
Elite rom
One OS or Xiaomi Eu rom or Elite rom(android 11)
These roms do not need to be rooted to have the certified playstore and pass safetynet
GinoxR said:
Thanks, then i stay with the 12.0.3.0 (QJKEUXM) as my phone is working really smoothly
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hey, I need help asap. Where did you find that version of MIUI with android 10? all I am seeing is android 11 which is not what I need
needHelpASAP said:
hey, I need help asap. Where did you find that version of MIUI with android 10? all I am seeing is android 11 which is not what I need
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GLOBAL
EEA
Hello XDA forums,
I've recently required a global version of the mi 10 ultra after a phone swap. I'm not flash/bootloading/ROM toting gunslinger and have no clue about this software installed on the phone called TWRP.
From my research I've found it's a bootloader that allows the device to be used in other countries and gives access to Google play store.
But I just wondered whether going back to stock is an option, and if so, would that present any issues i.e. lose assess to play store.
If there is a simplified guide or any guide in general I'd be more than happy to look at it
Kind regards
Terryahki said:
Hello XDA forums,
I've recently required a global version of the mi 10 ultra after a phone swap. I'm not flash/bootloading/ROM toting gunslinger and have no clue about this software installed on the phone called TWRP.
From my research I've found it's a bootloader that allows the device to be used in other countries and gives access to Google play store.
But I just wondered whether going back to stock is an option, and if so, would that present any issues i.e. lose assess to play store.
If there is a simplified guide or any guide in general I'd be more than happy to look at it
Kind regards
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TWRP or Team Win Recovery Project is a custom recovery meant to add custom roms, root the rom or make any modifications to the phone's software.
Xiaomi Mi 10 Ultra ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Ot
Improve your Xiaomi Mi 10 Ultra's battery life, performance, and look by rooting it and installing a custom ROM, kernel, and more.
forum.xda-developers.com
This is the xda subforum for ROMS etc
Keno_I said:
TWRP or Team Win Recovery Project is a custom recovery meant to add custom roms, root the rom or make any modifications to the phone's software.
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Thank you for clarifying that for me having spoke to someone via the Xiaomi forums, they stated that it is used on the mi 10 ultra to by pass the Chinese stock ROM and allow Google play store.
The thing I'm lost about is what ROM am I currently using and how do I update it? Would you be able to direct me to some information to troubleshoot this?
Kind regards,
Alex
Terryahki said:
Thank you for clarifying that for me having spoke to someone via the Xiaomi forums, they stated that it is used on the mi 10 ultra to by pass the Chinese stock ROM and allow Google play store.
The thing I'm lost about is what ROM am I currently using and how do I update it? Would you be able to direct me to some information to troubleshoot this?
Kind regards,
Alex
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To see your ROM go to settings > about phone and the info should be there.
Keno_I said:
To see your ROM go to settings > about phone and the info should be there.
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This the one?
Yep
Terryahki said:
This the one?
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Your ROM is stock europe MIUI 12.5 updates will come on notification or you can manually check for updates.
Keno_I said:
Your ROM is stock europe MIUI 12.5 updates will come on notification or you can manually check for updates.
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Ah okay so is TWRP needed then?
And thank you for the help
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And thank you for the help
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Not really miui can update itself
Miui is the miui rom that comes with the phones in europe.
In China its the same but restricted.
Keno_I said:
Not really miui can update itself
Miui is the miui rom that comes with the phones in europe.
In China its the same but restricted.
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Ah would you be able to direct me to some instructions as to uninstall it then? It's the Chinese 10th anniversary transparent edition so not sure that's China only or global
Terryahki said:
Ah would you be able to direct me to some instructions as to uninstall it then? It's the Chinese 10th anniversary transparent edition so not sure that's China only or global
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You want to uninstall the europe rom?
My apologies, I thought TWRP wasn't necessary for the European ROM
Keno_I said:
You want to uninstall the europe rom
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My apologies, I thought TWRP wasn't necessary for the European ROM
Keno_I said:
You want to uninstall the europe rom
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Keno_I said:
You want to uninstall the europe rom?
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Ah no I was wondering whether TWRP is vital to it's operation, as I've tried to factory reset and for some reason it is still retaining the previous owners information. I'm thinking it's due to TWRP
Keno_I said:
You want to uninstall the europe rom?
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Ah no I was wondering whether TWRP is vital to it's operation, as I've tried to factory reset and for some reason it is still retaining the previous owners information. I'm thinking it's due to TWRP
Basically
Terryahki said:
Hello XDA forums,
I've recently required a global version of the mi 10 ultra after a phone swap. I'm not flash/bootloading/ROM toting gunslinger and have no clue about this software installed on the phone called TWRP.
From my research I've found it's a bootloader that allows the device to be used in other countries and gives access to Google play store.
But I just wondered whether going back to stock is an option, and if so, would that present any issues i.e. lose assess to play store.
If there is a simplified guide or any guide in general I'd be more than happy to look at it
Kind regards
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Basically Yes, you will lose access to the playstore as China does not allow it on their phones. The 10 ultra's sold to people outside of China had a cutdown version of Google services put on but it did not have location history or find phone and other parts. If you do go back to stock Chinese, you can find playstore app in their version of appstore and if you install it, you can get full Google services again.
If you have the Xiaomi EU ROM installed and you live outside of China, then that version is your best bet. It comes in 2 versions, weekly or stable and both are still updated, so make your choice, stock ROM is available here.. http:/mifirm.net and do a search for cas or mi 10 ultra and install the latest fastboot or recovery ROM if you have twrp recovery installed ( you probably will if you have the EU ROM) or pop over the Xiaomi EU forum for the latest info here.. https://xiaomi.eu/community/forums/xiaomi-mi-10-pro-10lite-ultra-10t-pro-lite-10s.204/ and here for the weekly ROM.. https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/miui-12-0-12-1-12-2-12-5-stable-release.56191/ and the weekly ROM here.. https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/21-6-16-17.61822/ .
All the info on twrp and the ROMs are on the Xiaomi EU forum but there is lots of help and advice here once you make your choice of where you want to go. The 10 Ultra is a dam good phone with the latest EU ROM installed.
Terryahki said:
Ah no I was wondering whether TWRP is vital to it's operation, as I've tried to factory reset and for some reason it is still retaining the previous owners information. I'm thinking it's due to TWRP
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Factory reset by formatting data partition.
Itll say type yes to confirm.
It is possible to buy a chinese version of mi 13 and after that install on the device a global miui rom?
daniel17180 said:
It is possible to buy a chinese version of mi 13 and after that install on the device a global miui rom?
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For the moment, no, since the global version has not yet been released.
Afterwards you can but without being able to lock the bootloader, which means that the play store will not be certified and you will have to root the phone and use magisk or a Xiaomi Eu rom.
MIUI 14 EU best variant
Any chance can CN version to be converted Global without bootloader unlock? Or that's impossible at all?
I want that skyblue color that only available in CN market and want use google pay and banking apps as well, and that's need bootloader locked if I am not wrong.
ITMASTER said:
Any chance can CN version to be converted Global without bootloader unlock? Or that's impossible at all?
I want that skyblue color that only available in CN market and want use google pay and banking apps as well, and that's need bootloader locked if I am not wrong.
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No way,use a XIAOMI EU ROM
NOSS8 said:
No way,use a XIAOMI EU ROM
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Sorry for silly question if bootloader unlocked you mean xiaomi eu rom will let me use gpay and other bancking apps?
ITMASTER said:
Sorry for silly question if bootloader unlocked you mean xiaomi eu rom will let me use gpay and other bancking apps?
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Yep,and without root.
MIUI 14 - MIUI 14 STABLE RELEASE
Status: RELEASED RULES WHEN POSTING 1. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK ABOUT ITS ETA 2. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK why! 3. If a ROM is available, download it and use it 4. If a ROM has bugs, post the bug to the bug section if the BUG is not already listed 5. If you use any form of...
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MIUI 14 - 23.2.21/23
Status: RELEASED RULES WHEN POSTING 1. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK ABOUT ITS ETA 2. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK why! 3. If a ROM is available, download it and use it 4. If a ROM has bugs, post the bug to the bug section if the BUG is not already listed 5. If you use any form of...
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NOSS8 said:
Yep,and without root.
MIUI 14 - MIUI 14 STABLE RELEASE
Status: RELEASED RULES WHEN POSTING 1. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK ABOUT ITS ETA 2. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK why! 3. If a ROM is available, download it and use it 4. If a ROM has bugs, post the bug to the bug section if the BUG is not already listed 5. If you use any form of...
xiaomi.eu
MIUI 14 - 23.2.21/23
Status: RELEASED RULES WHEN POSTING 1. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK ABOUT ITS ETA 2. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK why! 3. If a ROM is available, download it and use it 4. If a ROM has bugs, post the bug to the bug section if the BUG is not already listed 5. If you use any form of...
xiaomi.eu
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Root not needed at all, I am not rooting my phones more than 10 years, what about updates? Xiaomi EU I will get OTA updates or not?
ITMASTER said:
Root not needed at all, I am not rooting my phones more than 10 years, what about updates? Xiaomi EU I will get OTA updates or not?
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If you had read the links I posted to you, you wouldn't be asking this question,whatever, update via OTA.
EEA ROM
Xiaomi Firmware Updater
The ultimate script that provides firmware packages for Xiaomi devices.
xiaomifirmwareupdater.com
Anyone experience bootloop on Xiaomi 13 CN set with 14.0.21 EU rom after using it for 2-3 days? Turn off the phone for 8-12 hours and turn it on to reproduce the issue.
kennethyha said:
Anyone experience bootloop on Xiaomi 13 CN set with 14.0.21 EU rom after using it for 2-3 days? Turn off the phone for 8-12 hours and turn it on to reproduce the issue.
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Did you perform a clean flash?
NOSS8 said:
Did you perform a clean flash?
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Yes. The both the 17 and 21 version. It happens after 2 to 3 days. Only one EU rom. No problem with CN rom.
kennethyha said:
Yes. The both the 17 and 21 version. It happens after 2 to 3 days. Only one EU rom. No problem with CN rom.
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On some version of rom sometimes the phone restarts on its own, but this is not your case?
it's since 14.0.21?
Can be tried a Weekly by updating (to return after a stable, clean flash required).
Is the phone rooted?
Try the Taiwan global rom with miui message, dialer apps.
NOSS8 said:
On some version of rom sometimes the phone restarts on its own, but this is not your case?
it's since 14.0.21?
Can be tried a Weekly by updating (to return after a stable, clean flash required).
Is the phone rooted?
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Since 14.0.17 EU. Yes.
hilary trump said:
Try the Taiwan global rom with miui message, dialer apps.
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Does it have double tap home screen to lock or sleep feature?
kennethyha said:
Does it have double tap home screen to lock or sleep feature?
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kennethyha said:
Does it have double tap home screen to lock or sleep feature?
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I don't see any feedback on this.
As said above, try a Weekly.
If you install a Taiwan stock rom you will need to root and use magisk.
NOSS8 said:
I don't see any feedback on this.
As said above, try a Weekly.
If you install a Taiwan stock rom you will need to root and use magisk.
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I tried weekly but stopped using it because my Xiaomi 13 gets hot very easily even with light browsing but it does not happen on any of the stable Rom including EU.
kennethyha said:
I tried weekly but stopped using it because my Xiaomi 13 gets hot very easily even with light browsing but it does not happen on any of the stable Rom including EU.
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It's really surprising because one of the Xiaomi Eu rom devs has a Xiaomi 13, maybe try the last Weekly or there is a HW problem that happened between two roms.