Hello, I am in search for an Android HU but every time this brings me a headache. I can't reach to a conclusion for which is best. I was looking for an Eonon GA2164 with 2GB ram which I think is MTCD but I do not know which MCU, and also that CPU seems very old.
Here in the forums I see that the best choice for now may be a MTCD with PX5 and 2GB ram. However I am looking for something "less Chinese" (joying, xtrons, dasaita, etc) and from EU warehouse so I can't buy from aliexpress or from the most sellers on ebay that ship from China. I need a HU with lots of unofficial support, full RCA outputs (front, rear, sub), analog steering wheel input and I prefer a physical volume knob instead of touch buttons.
Can you suggest something that I could check out?
Thank you!
PS: the xtrons TB706PL is PX5? If yes, the only downside I can find is that it only has touch buttons in the front, which is not good while driving...
I had a similar dilemma
I wanted PX5 HU due to Malaysk ROM >> not Joying
best would be HU from Dasaita, but they haven'ẗ EU warehouse
I finally chose TB706APL (PX5, 2GB RAM) from Xtrons due EU warehouse (but their official support is tragic)
I use the buttons on the steering wheel >> I don't miss the physical buttons on the HU
What do you mean by tragic support? You mean for the official FW updates? Or for warranty/returns, contacting, tech issues?
From what I have seen while I was trying to get answers for some headunits, I could easily consider Eonon's support the best (for tech issues and answering questions. Also for defective devices they accept returns at the EU warehouse!). Joying's support for updates seems good and also good for contacting them but they told me that if I have any problem with the unit, I have to sent it to China. But Eonon haven't released any new hardware, and Joying has Intel Sofia.
What about Intel Sofia? I have seen some threads here but I think there is not so much support as PX5. Am I right?
NikosPot said:
What do you mean by tragic support? You mean for the official FW updates? Or for warranty/returns, contacting, tech issues?
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I mean support on their forum >> when you have problem you must go to XDA forum
NikosPot said:
What about Intel Sofia? I have seen some threads here but I think there is not so much support as PX5. Am I right?
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I don't know about an alternative ROM for Intel Sofia, but maybe I'm wrong
I think that on XDA is more support for PX5
Thanks for the info, this unit seems very nice, even with the stock rom as I can see in videos.
May I ask you some questions about this device?
1) In the official store I see TB706PL. Not TB706APL. Are those the same?
2) Because I can't find installation manual in their website so I can't see what cables are on the back side, is there any cable for brightness dimming when turning on the lights? The Night Mode setting depends on the clock's hour, or when you turn on the lights it dims the display to the pre-set Night Mode level?
3) Have you tried to connect OBD2 reader? I have a vGate OBD so I do not want to buy xtrons... Does it support 3rd party OBD, or just the xtrons?
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I found some schematics on the net and I can see that the xtrons unit doesn't have any ILL (illumination) cable for dimming, SW (steering control), Reverse control.... How do you connect steering wheel resistance based cables? And reversed camera control cable for enabling it when you go in reverse?
+1 for hotaudio.. seems to be the only active manufacturer on here
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hmm yeah Dasaita seems nice, and also has for my vehicle a 10.1 inch PX5 unit ready to install on my car like OEM appearance.
Tha official store is in aliexpress only? Damn I can't buy from China so expensive item... These months in my country, customs are going crazy! That is why I need EU warehouse.
But between Joying, xtrons, eonon there is no unit that seems to have everything I want! Every one of them has pros and cons.
And now I just realize that maybe I posted in the wrong forum, because now I am talking generally for headunits and not just for MTCD. haha but anyway firstly I wanted to find out which MTC /MCU is more supported and is more future proof (faster CPU, more RAM). So we are concluding to PX5 2GB? Are all of the PX5 chipsets in the MTCD category? Only the MCU are different between the manufacturers?
NikosPot said:
Thanks for the info, this unit seems very nice, even with the stock rom as I can see in videos.
May I ask you some questions about this device?
1) In the official store I see TB706PL. Not TB706APL. Are those the same?
2) Because I can't find installation manual in their website so I can't see what cables are on the back side, is there any cable for brightness dimming when turning on the lights? The Night Mode setting depends on the clock's hour, or when you turn on the lights it dims the display to the pre-set Night Mode level?
3) Have you tried to connect OBD2 reader? I have a vGate OBD so I do not want to buy xtrons... Does it support 3rd party OBD, or just the xtrons?
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I found some schematics on the net and I can see that the xtrons unit doesn't have any ILL (illumination) cable for dimming, SW (steering control), Reverse control.... How do you connect steering wheel resistance based cables? And reversed camera control cable for enabling it when you go in reverse?
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I don't use stock ROM from Xtrons, I use Malaysk ROM
point 1 - they renamed this unit from TB706APL to TB706PL, in my order was TB706APL, but I do not see any difference
point 2 - in my country is mandatory daytime running lights, so I did not look for something that, I'm sending a wiring diagram, maybe you'll find it there, I'm not sure how this is solved
point 3 - i have old OBD2 reader from China ($4-5) and it works, but Its name must be OBD (OBD2), I ordered in China the second piece because I could not find the original before, If it will have the correct name, I can send a link
point 4 (edit)
- ILL (illumination) cable for dimming - in wiring diagram number 13 - now i find, I forgot to connect it (I have to fix it, thank you )
- SW (steering control) - i have steering control with two cables, first is pointed to KEY1 (number 3) and second to ground (number 15)
- And reversed camera control cable for enabling it when you go in reverse? - number 5 (CAM-IN) for video cable, number 6 (CAM-LINE) for cable connected to return light - when reverse gear is selected, the rear camera automatically turns on
alda.cerny said:
I don't use stock ROM from Xtrons, I use Malaysk ROM
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Wow thank you for that! Yesterday I found a wiring that didn't show all that.
So now if you connect the ILL to your light switch I think that the HU will dim when you turn on the switch. DRL maybe doesn't matter, they are turned on without the light switch being on. (can't be 100% sure because I do not have in my car) Maybe the OEM connector on your car have this cable already. Mine for example was dimming the stock HU when I was turning on the lights switch, so there is an ILL cable on the connector.
For OBD, the name of mine V-LINK in bluetooth devices. If it is found in bluetooth search, it can't connect if it is not named "OBD"? This doesn't make sense. Even not on Malays rom?
I have problems with other cheap no brand Chinese OBDs that I have tried so changing to an other OBD is not an option for me
Hi without a doubt, the best radio is dasaita px5
good quality and great support
NikosPot said:
For OBD, the name of mine V-LINK in bluetooth devices. If it is found in bluetooth search, it can't connect if it is not named "OBD"? This doesn't make sense. Even not on Malays rom?
I have problems with other cheap no brand Chinese OBDs that I have tried so changing to an other OBD is not an option for me
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known has the same HU, but does not have an OBD adapter with the name OBD and can not connect his OBD adapter to HU
i readed this problem on XDA forum https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72622247&postcount=3 Graser's Dasaita Tool may help on rooted HU
alda.cerny said:
known has the same HU, but does not have an OBD adapter with the name OBD and can not connect his OBD adapter to HU
i readed this problem on XDA forum https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72622247&postcount=3 Graser's Dasaita Tool may help on rooted HU
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problems and disadvantages everywhere... That is why everytime I am searching for a headunit, I finally quit and don't buy anything haha
Damn... Hot-Audio seems to have a unit that appears the same as xtrons, and it is cheaper and as you say they have better support. But I can't buy it Maybe the whole device is the same and only the MCU and the Android Launcher is different. Will the xtrons have a lot of differences from Hot Audio? I can install the same roms (for PX5), the only different will be the MCU updates. Am I right?
NikosPot said:
problems and disadvantages everywhere... That is why everytime I am searching for a headunit, I finally quit and don't buy anything haha
Damn... Hot-Audio seems to have a unit that appears the same as xtrons, and it is cheaper and as you say they have better support. But I can't buy it Maybe the whole device is the same and only the MCU and the Android Launcher is different. Will the xtrons have a lot of differences from Hot Audio? I can install the same roms (for PX5), the only different will be the MCU updates. Am I right?
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according to what I read here, the differences should also be in the quality of processing, Hot Audio (Dasaita) should be top, Xtrons should be a little worse
but here are brands that are waste too
yes, you can install the same ROMs (for PX5) on PX5 HU from brands Xtrons, Dasaita, ... you can install ROM from Dasaita (update.img) on Xtrons's unit
MCU update should be updated only from your brand, but there are forum members who try to combine it, I don't have the courage to do it
when i bought mine the paperwork showed the purchase price as 50$... way under actual purchase price.. so customs shouldnt be to horrible.. of course talk to them about this.. since i bought mine through ebay
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stinger4321 said:
when i bought mine the paperwork showed the purchase price as 50$... way under actual purchase price.. so customs shouldnt be to horrible.. of course talk to them about this.. since i bought mine through ebay
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I talked to them on AliExpress. They offered me to put a value of 50usd on the invoice. However in my country especially since the beginning of 2017 they try to take as much more money they can so they do not care about the paperwork. They easily can ignore the invoice, search on the internet for the product and put whatever value they want... They do not even ask the customers for the paypal invoice. Also it can stay at the airport for 1 or 2 months... So I can't buy from Dasaita. The next option is xtrons but I am reading in other thread for problems on some MCUs and I am afraid that maybe my xtrons have a crappy MCU. Do they always send the same hardware for the same HU model?
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NikosPot said:
Do they always send the same hardware for the same HU model?
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I suppose yes, you can write and ask them for sure
alda.cerny said:
I suppose yes, you can write and ask them for sure
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Well, I asked them but they are not telling me. First they told me "The MCU is STM32F091VCT"
And after I asked again to give me the manufacturer (GS, etc) they told me Sorry we can't give you that.
Your TB706APL is GS? I also asked them what are the differences between TB706PL and TB706APL and told me that it is actually the same as APL, just a tiny bit shorter, less than 1cm. I guess they just changed the casing. But how the hell am I going to be sure it will be GS if they can't provide me with this info? Crappy company I assume.
NikosPot said:
Well, I asked them but they are not telling me. First they told me "The MCU is STM32F091VCT"
And after I asked again to give me the manufacturer (GS, etc) they told me Sorry we can't give you that.
Your TB706APL is GS? I also asked them what are the differences between TB706PL and TB706APL and told me that it is actually the same as APL, just a tiny bit shorter, less than 1cm. I guess they just changed the casing. But how the hell am I going to be sure it will be GS if they can't provide me with this info? Crappy company I assume.
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yes, my TB706APL is GS
my HU is also shortened compared to previous versions, I think they say nonsense
In the box I have no longer space for another shortening as you can see in the pictures http://www.aldacerny.cz/2017/08/nahrada-tabletu-nexus-7-2012-v-aute-za-2din-radio-xtrons-tb706apl/
alda.cerny said:
yes, my TB706APL is GS
my HU is also shortened compared to previous versions, I think they say nonsense
In the box I have no longer space for another shortening as you can see in the pictures http://www.aldacerny.cz/2017/08/nahrada-tabletu-nexus-7-2012-v-aute-za-2din-radio-xtrons-tb706apl/
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I see... So either they changed something on the PCB and made it smaller, or they do not know what they are talking about. Good job xtrons :laugh:
I have no problems with my xtrons. First I had an Erisin with Dualcore processor, then a Pumpkin with a Quadcore processor and now the xtrons with the Octacore. On every previous unit i had problems (most problems with the Pumpkin), but the xtrons runs very fast and without any little problem. The support is also great. I`ve bought the unit via ebay and after a month I`ve asked for the bill. 10 hours later I had a bill.
Only the sound quality (especially over bluetooth) and the DAB signal reception was minimal better on the Pumpkin HU. But overall I would defenitely recommend a xtrons
Sorry if this has been covered already, or if I'm posting in the wrong area.. my brain is melting do to information overload.
Long story short, questions after:
Currently running px3 1gb, 5.1, with bt/wifi issues. I had used a usb-ethernet dongle hooked up to a Asus 330GE portable router in bridge mode. BT Connected and fast network. Woot.
I'm going to be giving my car to my sister, but I feel like the px3/1gb would be dangerously slow. (Keeping android HU for the backup cam I have wired.)
Questions:
1a. There are no bt/wifi chips that can replace (soldering) the current chip to fix the wifi slowdown issue - correct?
1b. Disconnecting the internal module and using USB dongle = same issue - Correct?
1c. Is this because of a USB hub issue I think I read about?
1d. If you have a type2 md725 module, BT does not connect with 8.0 at all, but a type1 can be connected in order to use 8.0, with the wifi-slowdown-when-bt-connected issue persisting - correct?
1e. (bonus) Are there type1 md725 usb dongles?
2a. Do you think a px30 2/16 core board upgrade would be sufficient (not slow as molasses) for basic simultaneous navigation + a2dp/radio/internal player ? (leaving out the assumption that the bt/wifi issue would persist. Talking about system speed wise)
2b. Do you think it would be necessary to bump up to px5 4/32 for $50cad?
3. Why do some of the new DSP eq's show a frequency adjustment low of 25hz, and some 20hz?
4a. What's the deal with these Android GO 8.1/9.0 1gb/16gb units? (I doubt I'd go this route, but just curious.)
4b. Wondering if this 8.1/9.0 GO could be ported to older p3, or p5 2gb units?)
5a. Does the bt-connected-wifi-slowdown issue still remain with these newer p5 units?
5b. Is there a simple way to confirm this other than msging seller for usb hub/wifi/bt specs?
These seem to be the best prices I could find for possible solutions:
*$117ca px30 2/16 Witson coreboard
*$165ca px5 4/32Witson coreboard
*$275cad 4/32 without DSP
*$320cad 4/32 TDA7851 + ST7786
First choice, thinking of upgrading to the px5 4/32
Would like to save 50$ if possible by using a px30 2/16
Would like to save all the monies by somehow convincing humans greater than myself to port 8.1/9.0 GO over? (assuming this would be quick enough)
*!HeadEsplode!*
When I do get this sorted (new(to me) vehicle acquired, current vehicle to sister,) I will most likey be going the 4/32 px5 DSP route, or possibly px6. (or Intel?) (Headexplodeagain!)
Hoping someone out there can steer me right ...
PX6 upgrade
I have the same set of questions, but also would like to add PX6 board in the list. Does anyone tried upgrading PX3 to PX6 on MTCD board?
Head Uni: A-MEDIA Auto (1024x600 W)
MCU version：
MTCD_JY_V1.90_2
Sep 26 2016 13:56:13
Android 5.1.1
StingerRUS2 said:
I have the same set of questions, but also would like to add PX6 board in the list. Does anyone tried upgrading PX3 to PX6 on MTCD board?
Head Uni: A-MEDIA Auto (1024x600 W)
MCU version：
MTCD_JY_V1.90_2
Sep 26 2016 13:56:13
Android 5.1.1
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I'm not sure, but I found this on another thread:
" yes, you can use the updates listed as PX6 (as they show PX5 once you download them). "
linking to https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...asaita-mcu-updates-rockchip-px5-octa-t3575155
I'm thinking yes. Have you seen any px6 coreboards for sale yet? Maybe there will be a group buy ..
StingerRUS2 said:
I have the same set of questions, but also would like to add PX6 board in the list. Does anyone tried upgrading PX3 to PX6 on MTCD board?
Head Uni: A-MEDIA Auto (1024x600 W)
MCU version：
MTCD_JY_V1.90_2
Sep 26 2016 13:56:13
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This guy says yes
"If you have any MTCD or MTCE unit you can upgrade to an RK3368/PX5 SoM, or an RK3399/PX6 SoM. " - typos1
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78564585&postcount=686
ftwk said:
I'm not sure, but I found this on another thread:
" yes, you can use the updates listed as PX6 (as they show PX5 once you download them). "
linking to https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...asaita-mcu-updates-rockchip-px5-octa-t3575155
I'm thinking yes. Have you seen any px6 coreboards for sale yet? Maybe there will be a group buy ..
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https://magnitolog.ru/glavnaya/magazin/процессорная-плата-rockchip-htc-px30-rev05-ram-2-gb-66-detail
No stock...
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Just to tag on and answer some of OP's questions as I'm in a similar situation:
1.d - You're correct (from all the reading I've done too). There's type 1 and type 2 MD725, with type 2 not working with android 8.0 due to driver issues.
1.e - There are usb dongles with Type 1: Comfast WU725B. This apparently solves people's issues.
2.a Although the PX30 should be better in terms of speed, I'm pretty sure you will still get a bit of lag with navigation (generally loading things up) but otherwise ok once running as long as there isn't too much running in the background. That is just an assumption as I don't have any experience with a PX30...but I do own a PX3 with 2GB RAM which is meant to be slightly worse than the PX30.
2.b. You'll be better off getting the PX5 if you're doing a coreboard upgrade anyway...I regret to not going the PX5 route from the beginning.
Now a question for everyone else:
I'm looking to upgrade my PX3 (2GB/32GB) with a PX5 coreboard. It appears only Rev8 PX5 Coreboards are available now which come with android 8.0 and the warning about Bluetooth and wireless potentially not working (which we know about MD725 type 1 and 2).
However my MTCE unit has Bluetooth module SD968 (with a separate wireless card) and I can't find any mention if I will have any problems if I upgrade the coreboard.
Does anyone know if the SD968 works fine with Android 8.0 PX5 coreboard?
fl4r3 said:
Just to tag on and answer some of OP's questions as I'm in a similar situation:
1.d - You're correct (from all the reading I've done too). There's type 1 and type 2 MD725, with type 2 not working with android 8.0 due to driver issues.
1.e - There are usb dongles with Type 1: Comfast WU725B. This apparently solves people's issues.
2.a Although the PX30 should be better in terms of speed, I'm pretty sure you will still get a bit of lag with navigation (generally loading things up) but otherwise ok once running as long as there isn't too much running in the background. That is just an assumption as I don't have any experience with a PX30...but I do own a PX3 with 2GB RAM which is meant to be slightly worse than the PX30.
2.b. You'll be better off getting the PX5 if you're doing a coreboard upgrade anyway...I regret to not going the PX5 route from the beginning.
Now a question for everyone else:
I'm looking to upgrade my PX3 (2GB/32GB) with a PX5 coreboard. It appears only Rev8 PX5 Coreboards are available now which come with android 8.0 and the warning about Bluetooth and wireless potentially not working (which we know about MD725 type 1 and 2).
However my MTCE unit has Bluetooth module SD968 (with a separate wireless card) and I can't find any mention if I will have any problems if I upgrade the coreboard.
Does anyone know if the SD968 works fine with Android 8.0 PX5 coreboard?
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Yes it does. That is the combo that i'm running in one of my radios.
Perfect! Thanks for confirming that. Guess there's nothing stopping me now, unless a PX6 board magically appears lol.
What do so have?
Hi there,
Sorry to open an old thread.
I have been reading up for ages but can't identify what MCU I have, is anyone able to tell me from the pictures or do I need to physically take it out and check?
Thanks.
anybody know where i can buy px5 or px6 core board? xtrons want to sell me the px5 4/32 for 150$! it is too expensive!
Hi, I have a px3 board with mtcd software and want to upgrade to px5. My board has a md725 Bluetooth chip installed so could anyone advise me on a suitable upgrade path as the 1gb of ram is killing me ha many thanks!
Hi, I have a px3 board with mtcd software and want to upgrade to px5. My board has a md725 Bluetooth chip installed so could anyone advise me on a suitable upgrade path as the 1gb of ram is killing me ha many thanks!
Hi, I have a px3 with md725 bluetooth on mtcd software. I would like to upgrade to a px5 board so could anyone point me to a listing which I can purchase from that will work? I dont want to lose any functionality of the Bluetooth/WiFi so I'm not bothered if it's running on android 8 or below or 9 if possible. Also should I upgrade to mtce first or after upgrade or does it not matter? Many thanks
Hi, I have a px3 with md725 bluetooth on mtcd software. I would like to upgrade to a px5 board so could anyone point me to a listing which I can purchase from that will work? I dont want to lose any functionality of the Bluetooth/WiFi so I'm not bothered if it's running on android 8 or below or 9 if possible. Also should I upgrade to mtce first or after upgrade or does it not matter? Many thanks