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I'm surprised by Chinese's reaction to the market. Shortly after iPhone 4's debut, so many counterfeits have been launched. The clone iphone 4 have multi-functions with a dirt cheap price comparing to the original Apple iphone.
I founded about 6 different models of clone iphone 4 just on tinydeal.com
I think it is not a bad idea if you could not afford a real iphone 4, what do you think?
I think it's very obviously a bad idea.
I'm not so sure why you're so surprise by the reaction. Chinese companies produce knockoffs of every popular phone out there. The prior iPhones all had multiple knockoffs too of varying similarities.
They all do have one thing in common, though. Not a single one of them are anywhere near as good as the iPhone.
I'm not a believer in the saying 'You get what you pay for' (I've bought too many great products at a low price to believe that adage), but, in this case, there's a reason why they're a fraction the cost of a real iPhone. They're not anywhere near as good in specs (aside from missing many important things, plenty of the listed specs could be extremely misleading or outright lies).
Of course, all of this is ignoring the elephant in the room: The fact that not one of those knockoffs will have Apple's iOS.
To get to the point, if you're willing to spend the money for a Chinese knockoff phone, that's completely fine. They come with nice specs at a low price. However, the idea that they would be a good substitute for what they're knocking off? No, never. Absolutely not.
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I'm surprised by Chinese's reaction to the market. Shortly after iPhone 4's debut, so many counterfeits have been launched. The clone iphone 4 have multi-functions with a dirt cheap price comparing to the original Apple iphone.
I founded about 6 different models of clone iphone 4 just on tinydeal.com
I think it is not a bad idea if you could not afford a real iphone 4, what do you think?
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Chinese have always made knock off's of just about EVERY highly bought phone/ smartphones in the market.
Yes the clone phone 4 does "somewhat" and I use that carefully, but it does not come anywhere close to the iPhone4.
Now to your question, if you CAN'T afford a true iPhone there are many other opitions out there, including buying an Android based phone. Also even if you are on the AT&T service you can just as easy get a smartphone unlocked and use it on another carrier.
Clonephone4 ---> SAD
So, as someone living and working in China, I've been super excited following up on the Xiaomi Phone. When they released the price as 2000 RMB (about $310 USD), I knew it had to be fake, or there was some serious funny business. The numbers just don't add up.
Engadget recently had a review of the Xiaomi phone and had it benchmarking near the Galaxy S 2 in several tests, so I think it makes sense to compare these two:
SGS 2 Advantages: Super AMOLED screen; 4.3 inch screen (vs 4 inch); forward facing camera; 1080p video recording (vs 720p); onboard storage (16 GB vs 4 GB); slightly smaller footprint.
Xiaomi Advantages: Price; processor speed (1.5 Ghz vs 1.2); battery (1930 mAh vs 1650); GLONASS and GPS tracking; highly customizable UI out of the box.
In China, the SGS2 retails for about 4300 RMB (about $670 USD). So how does a phone which is in the SGS2's ballpark retail for less than half the price?
It gets even more peculiar. Here are some questions Xiaomi hasn't cleared up(or at least I haven't seen their responses yet):
1) Xiaomi uses a Qualcomm processor and a LCD screen from Sharp (Japanese import). So they can't be using local parts to save costs, how are they able to offer the phone at only $310?
2) Local competitors like Huawei and ZTE who have much more experience in manufacturing (and much more leverage with suppliers) have yet to produce a phone remotely like this. Also, their closest local competition in terms of specs is something like the Huawei Honor, a single core phone that retails for about $400. Yet Xiaomi, which has never produced hardware before is getting better deals than these guys on components? Samsung also does component development in-house, but Xiaomi is getting better pricing than Samsung?
3) Xiaomi was originally a software developer. How did they pull a piece of impressive hardware like this out of nowhere?
4) Why retail for $310? They could sell it for $500 and it would still be way cheaper than an SGS2. Hell, I paid more than 2000 RMB for the crappy 2 year old Nokia I'm still using over here.
My Chinese is OK so I've been trying to read more on the Xiaomi forums, but I haven't really gotten any new information, other than there's something like 300,000 preorders already. I figure there's got to be some serious funny business going on. Probably:
a) ridiculous free loans and/or development assistance from the government to built up national prestige; or
b) copying another phone's internals verbatim; or
c) fake components of some kind
It looked really smooth in the Engadget video, so I'm inclined to be believe it's option A. Good for consumers I guess, but probably lousy if you're a Chinese taxpayer. Any ideas on why the price is so low?
Smaller companies tend to do these kind of things.
However I'm interested as well.
I believe that it's one part 'a' and another that generally huawei and zte have primarily been marketed for export (to SE Asia, India, EU) but the government is really trying to subsidize local start ups to fight imports (like HTC, Sony, etc...) and get Chinese to spend their money on Chinese things. But if a Chinese phone were 3000 RMB and a Korean or Japanese phone was also 3000 RMB, no one would get the Chinese phone for obvious reasons.
so basically you just made up a thread without any evidence and full of speculation accusing Xiaomi not being legit.
india are making ARM Cortex 9 phones with 4 GB for only $35
if they can do it, so can china
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india are making ARM Cortex 9 phones with 4 GB for only $35
if they can do it, so can china
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Seriously?
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Seriously?
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yes, there is a post with the pictures and spec here in the forum
aprox 5 days old
it's made for the india school system
Hi it's my first post and I have no exact figures to support this other than a simple comparison to another industry.
I remember hearing from someone that the mark up on mobile phones (this was a while ago) was a few hundred percent. Remember that it doesn't cost 800 dollars to make a phone and the people that usually make it in third world manufacturing companies or places with poor working conditions only get paid a few dollars an hour to make your 800 dollar phones.
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My comparison industry is optometry. The following information comes from someone I know who is an optometrist:
"Frames like Gucci and Prada cost $3 per frame to make. In the stores you pay $500 dollars to buy them. That is an insane mark up. However they can't retail it cheaper because of an agreement in place to prevent the devaluation of the brand."
I am sure the same thing happens in the cell phone industry.
Just thought that this might put the legitimacy of the phone in perspective.
Thanks for your time.
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So, as someone living and working in China, I've been super excited following up on the Xiaomi Phone. When they released the price as 2000 RMB (about $310 USD), I knew it had to be fake, or there was some serious funny business. The numbers just don't add up.
Engadget recently had a review of the Xiaomi phone and had it benchmarking near the Galaxy S 2 in several tests, so I think it makes sense to compare these two:
SGS 2 Advantages: Super AMOLED screen; 4.3 inch screen (vs 4 inch); forward facing camera; 1080p video recording (vs 720p); onboard storage (16 GB vs 4 GB); slightly smaller footprint.
Xiaomi Advantages: Price; processor speed (1.5 Ghz vs 1.2); battery (1930 mAh vs 1650); GLONASS and GPS tracking; highly customizable UI out of the box.
In China, the SGS2 retails for about 4300 RMB (about $670 USD). So how does a phone which is in the SGS2's ballpark retail for less than half the price?
It gets even more peculiar. Here are some questions Xiaomi hasn't cleared up(or at least I haven't seen their responses yet):
1) Xiaomi uses a Qualcomm processor and a LCD screen from Sharp (Japanese import). So they can't be using local parts to save costs, how are they able to offer the phone at only $310?
2) Local competitors like Huawei and ZTE who have much more experience in manufacturing (and much more leverage with suppliers) have yet to produce a phone remotely like this. Also, their closest local competition in terms of specs is something like the Huawei Honor, a single core phone that retails for about $400. Yet Xiaomi, which has never produced hardware before is getting better deals than these guys on components? Samsung also does component development in-house, but Xiaomi is getting better pricing than Samsung?
3) Xiaomi was originally a software developer. How did they pull a piece of impressive hardware like this out of nowhere?
4) Why retail for $310? They could sell it for $500 and it would still be way cheaper than an SGS2. Hell, I paid more than 2000 RMB for the crappy 2 year old Nokia I'm still using over here.
My Chinese is OK so I've been trying to read more on the Xiaomi forums, but I haven't really gotten any new information, other than there's something like 300,000 preorders already. I figure there's got to be some serious funny business going on. Probably:
a) ridiculous free loans and/or development assistance from the government to built up national prestige; or
b) copying another phone's internals verbatim; or
c) fake components of some kind
It looked really smooth in the Engadget video, so I'm inclined to be believe it's option A. Good for consumers I guess, but probably lousy if you're a Chinese taxpayer. Any ideas on why the price is so low?
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I'd get the M9 or M9x ( or something.. Quad Core? HELLOOOOO )
I don't see why someone would get a device ONLY for Miui, most phones out there have a build of MIUI.
You really think that $600 phone costs $600 to make?
The markup on electrical goods from brand names can be over 200%
My point is not really related to the idea of a markup, I KNOW all cell phones have a dramatic markup, and I read not long ago an iPhone 4 costs about $180 to make, while they retail for something like $600 out of contract.
I'm more interested in a) How did this company come out of nowhere with this sort of hardware? and b) They don't NEED to sell it for 2000 RMB for it to be a hit. They could have sold it for $400-450 and it would have still been a hell of a lot cheaper than a Galaxy S 2.
That, coupled with the fact that the big guns in China (Meizu, Huawei, ZTE) are not even in the same ballpark with specs or price, is really weird.
If i can demo one and it works well, i'll definitely pick one up, but there must be some serious funny business behind the scenes.
Why must there be funny business?
Well, you can build a cheap phone if you want.
The question is: can you sell it cheap?
Operating costs, brand advertisement etc. They have no problem there, they just build a phone having no ad space on western media.They can do it, they are smart enough.Plus: we enthusiasts are their advertisement plan, we buy it for cheap, all our friends will buy it.
It's a win win scenario.My 2 eurocents.
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My point is not really related to the idea of a markup, I KNOW all cell phones have a dramatic markup, and I read not long ago an iPhone 4 costs about $180 to make, while they retail for something like $600 out of contract.
I'm more interested in a) How did this company come out of nowhere with this sort of hardware? and b) They don't NEED to sell it for 2000 RMB for it to be a hit. They could have sold it for $400-450 and it would have still been a hell of a lot cheaper than a Galaxy S 2.
That, coupled with the fact that the big guns in China (Meizu, Huawei, ZTE) are not even in the same ballpark with specs or price, is really weird.
If i can demo one and it works well, i'll definitely pick one up, but there must be some serious funny business behind the scenes.
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The issue is risk. Do you risk spending $300 on a new unknown brand or do you spend $450 on a noname brand when you can get a well known brand for $600?
There is obviously going to be a greater curve of buyers the lower the price you go and finding the balance is where your marketers need mettle. I think the current price is going to be very good to get users into buying the phone. Obviously, if they can become the new HTC, their markup is going to increase hugely.
My concern is going to be: at ~$300, what is the customer service going to be like? HTC's is mediocre here in the UK, but if Vodafone, Orange et al resell this phone, it's going to be VERY attractive to us as the carriers are held responsible until end of warranty.
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The issue is risk. Do you risk spending $300 on a new unknown brand or do you spend $450 on a noname brand when you can get a well known brand for $600?
There is obviously going to be a greater curve of buyers the lower the price you go and finding the balance is where your marketers need mettle. I think the current price is going to be very good to get users into buying the phone. Obviously, if they can become the new HTC, their markup is going to increase hugely.
My concern is going to be: at ~$300, what is the customer service going to be like? HTC's is mediocre here in the UK, but if Vodafone, Orange et al resell this phone, it's going to be VERY attractive to us as the carriers are held responsible until end of warranty.
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Just to clarify, the retailer is responsible until you have had a reasonable amount of use out of it irrespective of warranty
The law doesn't care about warranties, they're in the best case an agreement that the device will be repaired without the need to take legal action, and in the worst case used to illegally convince consumers they have no rights.
Take my Sensation, afaik it has a 12month warranty.
Say the screen dies after 18 months, I'll be demanding O2 repair or replace it otherwise I'll be contacting trading standards as being a phone provided on a 24 month contract I should be able to expect it to last at least 24 months and more especially considering the price when new.
I love being a consumer in the UK
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yes~ Meizu much better than xiaomi
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yes~ Meizu much better than xiaomi
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WHY DID YOU DIG UP OLD THREADS
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Just noticed the release of GT2, and it first I thought it was just a new name for GT7+. But, a closer look reveals a few differences, like a slower (!) CPU and no flash for the back camera..
* 1,0 GHz Dual-Core Processor (unspecified)
* 1 GB RAM
* 7" 1024x600 PLS TFT
* Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
* 3 Megapixel Rear Camera (no flash), VGA Front Camera
* 8/16/32GB User memory, microSD (up to 32GB)
* 193.7 x 122.4 x 10.5 mm, 344 g
* Li-ion 4,000mAh
Prices here in Sweden will be (incl. 25 % tax):
* Wi-Fi: 2 995 SEK (~450 USD)
* 3G: 3 695 SEK (~556 USD)
Anyway, the most interesting thing imho is that the tablet in question will ship in March, according to Samsung with ICS on board. As the hardware is more or less similar (assuming the GT2 has 1,0 GHz Exynos), can we hope for some kind of official update around that time too?
I for one am a little pissed about this device. I spent $400 on a Tab Plus and instead of Samsung using their resources getting ICS out and fix the various bugs, they decide to build ANOTHER device that looks the exact same as the one they already have out.
The only reason that I can see is that the Exynos processor is causing issues and they cannot seem to fix like how my device heats up on the left side (processor side btw) so they make a new one with a different processor chip.
Either way, I feel like I've gotten the shaft with this device as I'm stuck with a gimpy version of Honeycomb and looks to be already phased out after 4 months. I guess it could be worse though... I could have gotten the T-former Prime v1.
kind of weird. why release this? got a feeling ics for our tab 7 plus will be delayed over and over again or Samsung will just end up not releasing it for the 7 plus.
the 7 plus is already down to $350. if released in USA, I find it hard to believe to sell for higher or even both at same time. awkward.
pretty sure its a tegra chip.
And my friends....Welcome to the world of Samsung. I've been saying it since the original galaxy S line. Their idea of a software update is to release a new product. We will get ICS but not this quarter and probably not the next either.
Geesh, it even looks the same.
http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/02/13/meet-samsungs-first-android-4-0-tablet-the-7-inch-galaxy-tab-2/
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Hm.. Well, if it is Tegra 2 under the hood, there is a big difference (in favor for the Plus, performance wise).
Has someone found a confirmation for which SoC that is used?
Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor), the fact that it has no LED flash, and a lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 wifi tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.
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Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor), and the fact that it has no LED flash, lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.
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I actually was a little upset that we get no ICS and that samsung did the same like they did with the Galaxy S and the Galaxy S 4G or something like that, but then I looked at the specs and it seems that you may be right as it seems to be made as a budget tablet.
rkmj said:
Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor), the fact that it has no LED flash, and a lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 wifi tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.
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You make good points and I get what you’re saying but I can’t believe that a dual core tegra 2(???) 7” tablet is Samsungs answer to the Asus 7” quad core rumored at CES. I mean you said it yourself; the specs are subpar compared to the 7+ so how is it going to compare on paper of head to head? Looking at the pricing of this new Samsung it’s hard to make a case for it comparing it to the Asus, which will be sub $300. If they really wanted to compete they could’ve lowered the 7+ to $299 and upgraded it to ICS. Now that’s a tablet that would sell.
I’m not grabbing the pitchfork over this one because I’m not overly concerned with ICS, I have a Galaxy Nexus and it’s really not that distant from HC. Besides, I learned a while ago not to buy stuff for what you want it to be but for what it is. With that said, I do believe the 7+ will see ICS but not before they’ve milked every dollar out of their latest release. I learned this first hand with Samsung.
Unless this new tablet is $199-$249, I don’t see the point. Why would they have two 7” tablets in the same price range with similar specs?
Until pricing and target markets are confirmed we should take a deep breath. I like to bang on Samsung but they aren't alone, a lot of manufacturers do this. Two weeks after the Transformer prime was realeased Asus announced a new "better" prime.
lrs421 said:
You make good points and I get what you’re saying but I can’t believe that a dual core tegra 2(???) 7” tablet is Samsungs answer to the Asus 7” quad core rumored at CES. I mean you said it yourself; the specs are subpar compared to the 7+ so how is it going to compare on paper of head to head? Looking at the pricing of this new Samsung it’s hard to make a case for it comparing it to the Asus, which will be sub $300. If they really wanted to compete they could’ve lowered the 7+ to $299 and upgraded it to ICS. Now that’s a tablet that would sell.
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Keep in mind that even though Asus has announced the sub $300 price, there's no guarantee that they'll actually launch at that price - or even if they do, that it'll be available in quantity early enough to matter. Note, for example, the supply problems they've been having with the Transformer Prime.
Let's say it takes a quarter to go from rumor to finalized design, then another quarter to ramp up manufacturing. That's 6 months out.
In the meantime, Samsung has proven that they can 1) deliver their 7" tablets in quantity right now and 2) they can hit the $350 price point on their 7" tablet right now (which lends credence to the $300 or $250 price point if they ship with cheaper components). With B&N and Amazon selling Nook Tablets and Kindle Fires by the truckloads, there's ample opportunity for Samsung to get in at the $200-250 price point and get their share of profits before quad core 7" tablets are able to compete at that price point.
In other words, this isn't a device I'm interested in but that doesn't mean there aren't millions of potential Nook or Kindle customers who would be.
I'll wait to see their official pricing, unless this thing is under $300, which I'm not convinced it will be, I don't see the point. If the overseas pricing is any indication this will not be marketed as a budget tab.
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This is called
Market Cannibalization
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcannibilization.asp
not good
h2g2 said:
Keep in mind that even though Asus has announced the sub $300 price, there's no guarantee that they'll actually launch at that price - or even if they do, that it'll be available in quantity early enough to matter. Note, for example, the supply problems they've been having with the Transformer Prime.
Let's say it takes a quarter to go from rumor to finalized design, then another quarter to ramp up manufacturing. That's 6 months out.
In the meantime, Samsung has proven that they can 1) deliver their 7" tablets in quantity right now and 2) they can hit the $350 price point on their 7" tablet right now (which lends credence to the $300 or $250 price point if they ship with cheaper components). With B&N and Amazon selling Nook Tablets and Kindle Fires by the truckloads, there's ample opportunity for Samsung to get in at the $200-250 price point and get their share of profits before quad core 7" tablets are able to compete at that price point.
In other words, this isn't a device I'm interested in but that doesn't mean there aren't millions of potential Nook or Kindle customers who would be.
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You make a great point here that I had missed entirely. This may not be slated to fight the ASUS ME370T (the CES teased $250 Tegra 3 tablet,) this may be trying to claw back some of the low-end marketshare from the Kindle Fire and the Nook, which would make even more sense. On top of that, we have to remember that ASUS is attempting to enter that market as well. While the $250 ME370T is at best 2 quarters out, ASUS has officially announced the EeePad MeMo (ME171) which will have a 7-inch WXGA (1,280 x 800) IPS capacitive touchpanel, a 1.2GHz dual-core Qualcomm 8260 processor, a gigabyte of memory, 16GB / 32GB of storage, 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, a 1.2 megapixel front / 5 megapixel rear camera (with 1080p recording), an A-GPS sensor, gyroscope, proximity sensor and a micro-USB port. I have a feeling that the Galaxy Tab 2 is going to be competing with the similarly specced ME171. I'm going to wait until MWC, or a bit after to see what Samsung plans to unveil to fight the quad core war.
But that would only make sense if this tablet is priced in the nook and kindle price range. This doesn't appear to be the case. Samsung doesn't appear to be marketing this as a budget product, they really never do,
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I think we're going to have to wait until Samsung officially announces pricing in the US before we can decide on the nature of Samsung's decision to launch this product.
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I think we're going to have to wait until Samsung officially announces pricing in the US before we can decide on the nature of Samsung's decision to launch this product.
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lrs421 said:
But that would only make sense if this tablet is priced in the nook and kindle price range. This doesn't appear to be the case. Samsung doesn't appear to be marketing this as a budget product, they really never do,
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Samsung unveils Galaxy Tab 2 (7.0), brings ICS on the cheap
We've got no exact price quote for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 (7.0) just yet, but is should slide somewhere beneath the Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus, which is currently going for about €320. Sales should start in March.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_unveils_galaxy_tab_2_brings_ics_on_the_cheap-news-3816.php
As to Samsung updating - Samsung is actually (usually) fairly good at updating non-carrier-branded devices in a timely fashion.
Carrier-branded devices (especially in North America) are a whole different story... Samsung doesn't seem to have the balls to stand up to carriers.
looks to me like the typical normal single core phone will now be a dual core in 2012. and why not use a cheap tegra 2?
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I think we're going to have to wait until Samsung officially announces pricing in the US before we can decide on the nature of Samsung's decision to launch this product.
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Don't forget carrier subsidies. T-Mobile carries the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus at $250 with contract, where I'm sure Huawei is eating Samsung's lunch with the $100 Springboard. A Tab2 at $200 or, if they can manage it, $150, would probably fair better.
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But that would only make sense if this tablet is priced in the nook and kindle price range. This doesn't appear to be the case. Samsung doesn't appear to be marketing this as a budget product, they really never do,
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No US price has been announced yet as far as I know. Don't let the Swedish prices throw you off - prices in different regions are dictated by many market forces beyond just currency exchange rates.
For example, right now, the Swedes can buy a Galaxy Tab 7 Plus, 16GB WiFi only version, for about 320GBP from Amazon.co.uk (about 500USD) or the N version from Amazon.co.de for about 350 euros (about 460USD).
But for us yankees, Amazon US has the same device for only 350USD.
So even based on the prices in the OP, the Tab2 is coming in about ~50USD cheaper for the WiFi only version vs. the Tab 7 Plus.
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Don't forget carrier subsidies. T-Mobile carries the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus at $250 with contract, where I'm sure Huawei is eating Samsung's lunch with the $100 Springboard. A Tab2 at $200 or, if they can manage it, $150, would probably fair better.
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No US price has been announced yet as far as I know. Don't let the Swedish prices throw you off - prices in different regions are dictated by many market forces beyond just currency exchange rates.
For example, right now, the Swedes can buy a Galaxy Tab 7 Plus, 16GB WiFi only version, for about 320GBP from Amazon.co.uk (about 500USD) or the N version from Amazon.co.de for about 350 euros (about 460USD).
But for us yankees, Amazon US has the same device for only 350USD.
So even based on the prices in the OP, the Tab2 is coming in about ~50USD cheaper for the WiFi only version vs. the Tab 7 Plus.
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Thanks for the breakdown. Going to be interesting.
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The competition is set to heat up further with both HTC and Nokia rumoured to be releasing a phablet each by the end of the year and even Apple reportedly working on screen sizes of up to 6-inches
On top of that, there’s increasing competition from Chinese brands such as Huawei and CoolPad with low cost sub $US200 phablets. So plenty at stake here for Samsung and the Galaxy Note 3 just might let it hold on to the phablet crown for now.
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I think that in order to assure competition stays behind, all Samsung has to do is reduce Gnote3 abusive price..
Are you listening Samsung people?
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Go get one of the cheap a$$ $200 phablets with 1gb of ram , etc ...there is no comparison those are just cheap knock offs ... yes htc is finally going to make one haha 3 years after the first and of course apple is going to inovate the whole world with their Iphablet somehow it will be the first according to every fanboi ... You get what you pay for samsung has 3gb of ram yes it could have a non pentile screen but it will be a great device
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I think that a 700 euros ($930 )pre-order price, is abusive no matter what, even for a state-of-the-art, high-end super smartphone...
Let's see how its price will look like over a couple of months from now.
Gladly, as a owner of the excellent GNote2, I am not in a hurry.
It's not about value or quality comparisons, is about strategy...
As a consumer, you don't have to accept or even justify, big corporations abusive prices policies.
Let them do that...be clever...
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betoNL said:
I think that a 700 euros ($930 )pre-order price, is abusive no matter what, even for a state-of-the-art, high-end super smartphone...
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Samsung (or any other manufacturer) will get away with the highest pricing they think the market will bear. There's no doubt the price will drop over time. It's kind of like buying a new car. If you buy it at the beginning of the model year you'll pay top dollar. If you buy it at the end of model year after the next generation's been announced you'll pay a hell of a lot less. You quoted what's happened to N2 pricing now that the N3's out.
As for the N3 vs. other phablets you do get a lot for the abusive price
32GB of NAND and 3GB of RAM
An inductive Wacom-esque display for inking and a Synaptics overlay for using some air-control features without needing the pen
Sensors for accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, temperature, humidity, gesture
The new Qualcomm Envelope Tracking power saving chip
USB 3.0
MHL 2.0
4.3 (a short lived benefit)
Top tier components of the highest quality and "newness"
A removable battery which adds design complexity and cost
Samsung's army of s/w (though not everyone uses all the features)
Samsung's devices generally have a good durability record
The Note-series has always been aimed at "creation" and "productivity" and because of S Pen/S Note doesn't really have a lot of competition. All the other phablets that are out and coming out are really just giant versions of each manufacturers phone family and focused on consumption. So people who really want a giant phone have lots of choices. People that appreciate S Pen/S Note will pay the abusive price. I'm one of those people and if it weren't for S Pen/S Note I'd have a 4.7/5.2" standard-size phone and there's no guarantee it would be a Samsung. The N2 sold 15-20% of what the SGS3 did. If Samsung can abuse that same percentage of people to go for a N3 it'll be a hit. Time will tell.
Unless competitors add extensive stylus capabilities there will be no other phablet I consider in my phone quest. If I wanted a regular smartphone I'd opt for a S4 or something of the like. The productivity potential of the Note puts it above the competition for my use
@BarryH_GEG ,
Hey man, you promised me then, to always quote my posts integrally :laugh: :laugh: .
I know you are in love with with the GN3 ( or..are you a Samsung share holder?) and of course if I have to choose among an abusively priced HTC or an abusively priced Sony or an abusively priced Samsung like the GN3 I will always go for the GN3, since, just like you, I am also impressed with its specs and being a GNote series user since the beginning and all, however ...
An abuse is an abuse no matter what...( and the damn Apple is the one that started this trend of abusive prices, among other crap....).
And I am very optimistic that I will keep the willpower and wait as long as possible till prices get a lot less abusive and hoping to sell my excellent GN2 for a good price around then.
A buddy of my already laughed and said I won't be able to wait that long and will get that beast sooner than I think...but I am trying....
And if I wait too long I will probably will get the GN4 instead, with a (probably) flexible screen, abusive price and all
My primary goal is: resist all temptations and I have a very good phone right now to help me to achieve that.
At least we agree that the prices are abusive.
Do you hear Samsung? Abusive!
Anyway I am hopeful:
Here in Holland the Galaxy S4 is already 100 euros ($130) cheaper than the HTC one....and guess which one keeps selling way more?
Better + better price = competition killer.
And that's what I meant with that part of my post that you left behind in your quote:
betoNL said:
It's not about value or quality comparisons, is about strategy...
As a consumer, you don't have to accept or even justify, big corporations abusive prices policies.
Let them do that...be clever...
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Strategy, and above all , THINKING AHEAD
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I can relate
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By Krishan Sharma:
I think that in order to assure competition stays behind, all Samsung has to do is reduce Gnote3 abusive price..
Are you listening Samsung people?
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Krishan,
You have brought up some interesting points.
I do think that Samsung have got away with it because the NOTE series is still unique, in my mind. No one else has really managed to get such good integration of a stylus. I hope that some of the competitors do get much better in the Phablet category.
As an owner of the NOTE1 I decided not to get a NOTE2 but I am very keen to get the GN3. I am still willing to pay "TOP Dollor" because no one else gives me this type of passage. However I expect by next year it will have changed. Because a lot of companies are now paying serious attention to this category of device.
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Back in the day (in non-phone geek's eyes), if you had an Android phone, you had a "Droid." Now, if you have an Android phone, you have a "Galaxy."
Back then, you would pay top dollar for a Motorola Droid, since that is what people thought of when they went to purchase an Android phone. The Galaxy series has since (by far) taken the spotlight when it comes to Android. Therefore they are doing what any successful corporation would do; taking advantage of the popularity and charging more for the name.
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betoNL said:
[MENTION=1493949]Hey man, you promised me then, to always quote my posts integrally :laugh: :laugh: .
I know you are in love with with the GN3 ( or..are you a Samsung share holder?) and of course if I have to choose among an abusively priced HTC or an abusively priced Sony or an abusively priced Samsung like the GN3 I will always go for the GN3, since, just like you, I am also impressed with its specs and being a GNote series user since the beginning and all, however ...
An abuse is an abuse no matter what...( and the damn Apple is the one that started this trend of abusive prices, among other crap....).
And I am very optimistic that I will keep the willpower and wait as long as possible till prices get a lot less abusive and hoping to sell my excellent GN2 for a good price around then.
A buddy of my already laughed and said I won't be able to wait that long and will get that beast sooner than I think...but I am trying....
And if I wait too long I will probably will get the GN4 instead, with a (probably) flexible screen, abusive price and all
My primary goal is: resist all temptations and I have a very good phone right now to help me to achieve that.
At least we agree that the prices are abusive.
Do you hear Samsung? Abusive!
Anyway I am hopeful:
Here in Holland the Galaxy S4 is already 100 euros ($130) cheaper than the HTC one....and guess which one keeps selling way more?
Better + better price = competition killer.
And that's what I meant with that part of my post that you left behind in your quote: Strategy, and above all , THINKING AHEAD.
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See, I quoted your entire post.
As for "love," I love my family, dogs, and closest friends. My devices are my devices. I'm excited about the N3 because I think it's cool and I've had my N7100 since November (a long time for me) and am itching for something new.
Here's part of my rationalization for buying early when prices are higher. I'd be lying if I said I didn't like having the newest tech before everyone else and showing it off. The life cycle of devices used to be about a year but now the DNA and N4 are considered ancient and the SGS4 and One aren't even "new" anymore; at least on XDA. So if I pay 20% more to have a new toy earlier and get to show off a bit I consider it worth it. YMMV of course.
P.S. - I swore I wouldn't but I pre-ordered a Gear when I found out you can shake it to turn it on which a lot of reviewers missed. It'll go well with my N3 and 3G Note 10.1 2014. Sigh. I'm tech addicted.
Samsung has put a lot into this device and certainly it is worthy of the price point. Besides in the US no one pays full price unless they want to. I have done it many times, but I opted to use my upgrade this time around.
Where's the address for that "techoholic anonymous" ?
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betoNL said:
I think that a 700 euros ($930 )pre-order price, is abusive no matter what, even for a state-of-the-art, high-end super smartphone...
Let's see how its price will look like over a couple of months from now.
Gladly, as a owner of the excellent GNote2, I am not in a hurry.
It's not about value or quality comparisons, is about strategy...
As a consumer, you don't have to accept or even justify, big corporations abusive prices policies.
Let them do that...be clever...
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iPhone 5s (32gb) - 739 EUR preorder price
HTC One - 661 EUR preorder price
Note 2 - 650 EUR preorder price
LG G2 - 629 EUR preorder price
Lumia 1020 - 699 EUR preorder price
Given the price and specs of the Note 3's competition and predecessor I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised with the pricing. In my opinion, it's the cost of being on the bleeding edge. I don't see how the pricing is abusive when looking at similar devices. Keeping in mind the Note is the only high end device with a Wacom digitizer..
Maverick777 said:
iPhone 5s (32gb) - 739 EUR preorder price
HTC One - 661 EUR preorder price
Note 2 - 650 EUR preorder price
LG G2 - 629 EUR preorder price
Lumia 1020 - 699 EUR preorder price
Given the price and specs of the Note 3's competition and predecessor I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised with the pricing. In my opinion, it's the cost of being on the bleeding edge. I don't see how the pricing is abusive when looking at similar devices. Keeping in mind the Note is the only high end device with a Wacom digitizer..
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They were/are all abusive prices.
I bought my Note2 a couple of months after the pre-order period for 530 Euros ( around 130 euros cheaper)
Today the Note2 is costing around 410 euros over here ( online)
It's just a matter of how long a high-techoholic / gadgetoholic can resist and wait :cyclops:
And the iPhone is not an example, cause it's for ubber-suckers :laugh:
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Why is OnePlus using this invite system? I honestly don't see the logic behind deliberately limiting the amount of people that can give OnePlus money. Also, is this invite system going eventually go away and open the phone to the public or will it forever be an invite-only phone?
Probably because the supply cannot meet its demand. So they have a invite system to cause hype, free marketing until they their supply can meet the demand. Plus at the price of $349, they aren't making much profit on the phone.
But I agree, get rid of the invite system and get the phone in people's hands before the specs become outdated to other flagship devices. They're here making customizable covers and whatnot, who cares.. just get the phone out to meet its demand.
The OPO is dead meat once the Nexus 6 comes out in 2 to 3 months.
The Nexus 6 will cost around $349, have newer next gen hardware, and come with Android 'L' out of the box. And with the Nexus 6, you will be able to actually, really purchase the phone, for real.
Zorachus said:
The OPO is dead meat once the Nexus 6 comes out in 2 to 3 months.
The Nexus 6 will cost around $349, have newer next gen hardware, and come with Android 'L' out of the box. And with the Nexus 6, you will be able to actually, really purchase the phone, for real.
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I doubt the OPO will be "dead meat." There is no serious next gen hardware unless it ships with Snapdragon 805.
OPO will still be a good phone regardless and its hard to pack that much in a $349 phone especially coming from a popular manufacturer such as LG/Samsung/HTC. OPO will have Android "L" regardless.
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Zorachus said:
The OPO is dead meat once the Nexus 6 comes out in 2 to 3 months.
The Nexus 6 will cost around $349, have newer next gen hardware, and come with Android 'L' out of the box. And with the Nexus 6, you will be able to actually, really purchase the phone, for real.
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Have you ever tried to buy a Nexus phone on release?...
Plus I doubt that Nexus 6 will have 805...
drakester09 said:
Have you ever tried to buy a Nexus phone on release?...
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Yes. I have owned the first four Nexus phones, and all but the Nexus 4 were easy and fast to get. I got the Nexus-One the first week it came out, I got the Nexus-S at T-Mobile Best Buy the morning it was released immediately, I ordered the Galaxy Nexus online the 2nd week it was out, and got it the week after, and the Nexus 4 was a pain, was sold out the first two months, and was impossible to find, but by the third month they had better stock and I got one. I did not get the Nexus 5, because the crappy battery life, and I was pissed Google didn't keep the 3,000mAh battery from the G2 which the phone was based off.
My point being, all those Nexus phones were fast and easy to get, except the Nexus 4, but that was turned around by the third month. Where as the OnePlus One has been out for 3 months now, and still impossible to find, and the phone is still not available for purchase, you need this ridiculous "invite" which just blows my mind away any sane company would try to market a product this way. How bout make a website with a purchase button and shipping date, and let me buy it and get it 3 days later, not wait for some stupid invite, that just turns me away.
OPO really screwed up here, or purposely fooled everyone, not sure which is true ? How could they not know a phone with $700 flagship specs, but only selling for half that at $350 wouldn't be a smashing hit, and very hot seller ? They should have been more prepared, at least expecting this OPO to sell like a Nexus phone, quantity wise. I think they had 120,000 forum members at launch, that were all wiling to buy the phone, but only originally released like 5,000 phones at launch, and then like 7,000 later, and several thousand more, but WTF that's extremely low quantities, a joke actually.
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Plus I doubt that Nexus 6 will have 805...
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I bet it does.
Everyone says this every year about the upcoming Nexus, no way it will have flagship hardware at the cheap price they sell the Nexus phones. But every year it does.
Last year everyone expected the Nexus 5 to have the Snapdragon 600, to match the then flagships; Galaxy S4 and HTC One M7, but the Nexus 5 came with the brand new next gen Snapdragon 800, besting those two flagships, and still selling for half their price.
My prediction for the Nexus 6;
- Announced in October / released in November
- Price of $400
- Snapdragon 805
- 3GB RAM
- 2600mAh - 2900mAh battery
- 5.2" to 5.5" Screen
- Maybe a 1440p screen, but most likely 1080p
- Made by either; Asus, HTC, or Sony