Hello,
Can any Pixel-2 owners check whether the device can support HEVC 10 bit streams using HW?. I need to make the decision whether to buy the device based on the test results. The Snapdragon SoC can support this, but not sure whether google enabled this feature.
How to check.
1. Download the HEVC 10 bit stream from http://jell.yfish.us/
2. Playback using MX player. Ensure HW decoding is enabled ( MXPlayer has an option for this ).
MX Player might playback the video using SW decoder. Please check HW decoding is enabled.
Any help is really appreciated!
Using MX player Pro, with HW on. Didn't see any issues.
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Thanks a lot for the quick reply!. I plan to buy one, Can you please indicate the file name ( from http://jell.yfish.us/ ) that you have used for testing?.
I was curious myself so I downloaded a lot of 10-Bit files from jell.yfish.us.
I started at 3mbps 1920×1080 (URL/media/jellyfish-3-mbps-hd-hevc-10bit.mkv) and finished at 200mbps 3840x2160
(URL/media/jellyfish-200-mbps-4k-uhd-hevc-10bit.mkv). All under MX Player with 'HW+' enabled.
They all played just fine and I stopped there because the Pixel 2's screen's only 1920×1080 and the file sizes were getting silly.
The phone got damn hot towards the end so I suppose throttling will become a concern with really high quality stuff of an appreciable length.
It handles it well as far as I can tell.
Apologies for the 'URLs', I can't yet post links.
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Thanks a lot for the quick reply!. I plan to buy one, Can you please indicate the file name ( from http://jell.yfish.us/ ) that you have used for testing?.
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I wasn't sure so I tried again and I tried the first one.
http://jell.yfish.us/media/jellyfish-3-mbps-hd-h264.mkv
and some others.
All I tried worked fine.
Thanks both!.
The first one is 8 bit file. You need to pick files which has got 10bit as part of the file name. ( 3rd , 8th are examples). Can you please check 1920x1080 10 bit file?. I would like to know whether MX player uses 'HW' or 'HW+' for playing back these files.
I understand now that for UHD 10 bit ( 3840x2160 ) MX player uses 'HW+' instead of 'HW'.
yogi_en said:
Thanks both!.
The first one is 8 bit file. You need to pick files which has got 10bit as part of the file name. ( 3rd , 8th are examples). Can you please check 1920x1080 10 bit file?. I would like to know whether MX player uses 'HW' or 'HW+' for playing back these files.
I understand now that for UHD 10 bit ( 3840x2160 ) MX player uses 'HW+' instead of 'HW'.
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The 8th one froze after about 1/3 through. It started out with HW+ moved to HW and then stopped playing. Stopped loading as well.
Thanks!. But from the screen shot that you have attached the file name seems to be 'jellyfish-15-mbps-hd-h264.mkv'. This is H.264 8 bit file. I am trying to check whether Pixel-2 can playback 10 bit HEVC file. The file name of the 8th one is jellyfish-10-mbps-hd-hevc-10bit.mkv ( Please note hevc and 10 bit as part of the file name). Do yo think you can try playing back the file jellyfish-10-mbps-hd-hevc-10bit.mkv ?
Sorry for the trouble!.
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Thanks!. But from the screen shot that you have attached the file name seems to be 'jellyfish-15-mbps-hd-h264.mkv'. This is H.264 8 bit file. I am trying to check whether Pixel-2 can playback 10 bit HEVC file. The file name of the 8th one is jellyfish-10-mbps-hd-hevc-10bit.mkv ( Please note hevc and 10 bit as part of the file name). Do yo think you can try playing back the file jellyfish-10-mbps-hd-hevc-10bit.mkv ?
Sorry for the trouble!.
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I was able to get it to play but it was very choppy. Something like 3 frames per sec. The 3 mpbs version was slightly less choppy but still a poor viewing experience.
Thanks!. Do you think you can try to playback the same file ( Jellyfish-15-mbps-hd-h264.mkv ) using 'HW' ( instead of HW+ ). I would like to know whether HEVC 10 bit can be played back using stock media frame work. ( HW+ uses MX player's own media frame work ).
yogi_en said:
Thanks!. Do you think you can try to playback the same file ( Jellyfish-15-mbps-hd-h264.mkv ) using 'HW' ( instead of HW+ ). I would like to know whether HEVC 10 bit can be played back using stock media frame work. ( HW+ uses MX player's own media frame work ).
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I tested up to 40mbps 10bit and had smooth playback with HW+.
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I tested up to 40mbps 10bit and had smooth playback with HW+.
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Thanks. The attached screen shot answers my question. Much appreciated!
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Thanks. The attached screen shot answers my question. Much appreciated!
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The videos also play smoothly when I choose to open them in Google Photos (non-synced, local playback). I'm unsure what's being used to play them.
Here's a log from VLC when I try to force MediaCodec. The video still plays though.
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11-01 16:30:24.950 W/VLC (32155): [0000006f817a4788/6cd] mediacodec decoder: Exception occurred in MediaCodecInfo.getCapabilitiesForType
11-01 16:30:24.955 I/OMXClient(32155): Treble IOmx obtained
11-01 16:30:24.969 I/MediaCodec(32155): [OMX.qcom.video.decoder.hevc] setting surface generation to 32926726
11-01 16:30:25.010 E/BitmapFactory(32155): Unable to decode stream: java.lang.NullPointerException
11-01 16:30:25.030 E/VLC (32155): [0000006f817a4788/6d4] mediacodec decoder: output: 2141391881 unknown, 1920x1080 stride 2560 1088, crop 0 0 0 0
11-01 16:30:33.135 I/VLC/PlaybackService(32155): MediaPlayer.Event.Paused
11-01 16:30:33.139 E/BitmapFactory(32155): Unable to decode stream: java.lang.NullPointerException
11-01 16:30:33.142 E/BitmapFactory(32155): Unable to decode stream: java.lang.NullPointerException
11-01 16:30:35.319 I/VLC/VideoPlayerActivity(32155): remove View!
11-01 16:30:35.322 E/NdkMediaCodec(32155): sf error code: -38
11-01 16:30:35.322 E/VLC (32155): [0000006f817a4788/6d4] mediacodec decoder: AMediaCodec.dequeueOutputBuffer failed
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The videos also play smoothly when I choose to open them in Google Photos (non-synced, local playback). I'm unsure what's being used to play them.
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I am confused now!. Google photos should be using stock media frame work for playing back HEVC 10 bit. Wondering why 'HW' option of MX Player cannot play this stream. As per MXPlayer documentation 'HW' option also should be using the stock media frame work for playing back. VLC plays it smoothly?
I think I should buy one and try it myself..
yogi_en said:
I am confused now!. Google photos should be using stock media frame work for playing back HEVC 10 bit. Wondering why 'HW' option of MX Player cannot play this stream. As per MXPlayer documentation 'HW' option also should be using the stock media frame work for playing back. VLC plays it smoothly?
I think I should buy one and try it myself..
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All players I used played the 40mbps stream smoothly. Hard to say what's going on under the surface. VLC is clearly having issues but can still play the file. I'll gladly test anything, I can't get root currently though since I'm on DP1.
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All players I used played the 40mbps stream smoothly. Hard to say what's going on under the surface. VLC is clearly having issues but can still play the file. I'll gladly test anything, I can't get root currently though since I'm on DP1.
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Do you have a 'gallery' app in Pixel-2?. If yes, can you please trying playing back the HEVC 10 bit file with this app?. Gallery app should be using stock media framework for playing HEVC 10 bit file.
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Do you have a 'gallery' app in Pixel-2?. If yes, can you please trying playing back the HEVC 10 bit file with this app?. Gallery app should be using stock media framework for playing HEVC 10 bit file.
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Photos is the stock gallery on the Pixel 2. I can play it locally in Plex too. QuickPic doesn't know how to play it.
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Photos is the stock gallery on the Pixel 2. I can play it locally in Plex too. QuickPic doesn't know how to play it.
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Thanks!. So you have plex client installed in Pixel-2 and it can playback the HEVC 10 bit video. Correct?. Do you know whether it is 'Direct play' or the Plex server is doing some transcoding?.
I assume it will be 'Direct Play' as the 'Photos' app is able to play the video.
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Thanks!. So you have plex client installed in Pixel-2 and it can playback the HEVC 10 bit video. Correct?. Do you know whether it is 'Direct play' or the Plex server is doing some transcoding?.
I assume it will be 'Direct Play' as the 'Photos' app is able to play the video.
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Plex app can play back local content too, I tested it by playing back the locally downloaded file. It's direct play -- the screenshot above shows the info overlay.
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Plex app can play back local content too, I tested it by playing back the locally downloaded file. It's direct play -- the screenshot above shows the info overlay.
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Thanks for the help. I decided to buy Pixel-2 . Looks like it can support HEVC 10 bit using HW. This was not working in old Pixel though the snapdragon SoC in old Pixel do support HEVC 10 bit. Looks like google enabled this feature in Pixel-2. Thanks again!.
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So MX player is great and all, and I download videos from youtube. Recently I downloaded one that MX player cannot really play using HW or HW+ and I'd like to find out why. Interestingly, the program I use to download videos from youtube (on PC) lists all the formats the video exists in, and there are two "1080p60" versions of different sizes. After opening them up with a program called MediaInfo, they seem to use different codecs/formats. One is AVC, the other is VP9.
When I said "MX player cannot really play" I mean "one video will show the first frame, audio will play normally, frames do not advance" (the AVC one). The VP9 one plays like a slide show with a frame updating every couple seconds, occasionally playing 2-3 frames at a time.
So yeah if anyone with more know-how could take a look at the video files in question, that'd be great. Here's the youtube video in question if you have your own way to download videos: SfjYhQ0dfCk
I WAS going to post dropbox links to 1) the two versions of the same video and 2) HTML files of the MediaInfo output and 3) The URL of the youtube video, but the forum is touchy about that apparently. Thank christ it doesn't complain about youtube video IDs.
H/W & H/W+ decoder uses android's internal decoder.
Looks like you device doesn't natively support playback @60fps.
S/W may play. But, it may be laggy if the processor is not powerful enough.
Ah okay. I thought it would at least play it very choppily but the video does not play at all. If I seek a few frames will play but then it will freeze again.
I'm also an idiot and forgot to mention that this is on a Galaxy S4. quad-core 1.8.
Majora_Luna said:
So MX player is great and all, and I download videos from youtube. Recently I downloaded one that MX player cannot really play using HW or HW+ and I'd like to find out why. Interestingly, the program I use to download videos from youtube (on PC) lists all the formats the video exists in, and there are two "1080p60" versions of different sizes. After opening them up with a program called MediaInfo, they seem to use different codecs/formats. One is AVC, the other is VP9.
When I said "MX player cannot really play" I mean "one video will show the first frame, audio will play normally, frames do not advance" (the AVC one). The VP9 one plays like a slide show with a frame updating every couple seconds, occasionally playing 2-3 frames at a time.
So yeah if anyone with more know-how could take a look at the video files in question, that'd be great. Here's the youtube video in question if you have your own way to download videos: SfjYhQ0dfCk
I WAS going to post dropbox links to 1) the two versions of the same video and 2) HTML files of the MediaInfo output and 3) The URL of the youtube video, but the forum is touchy about that apparently. Thank christ it doesn't complain about youtube video IDs.
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Would you share download link of both videos? Your link 'SfjYhQ0dfCk' is actually not a link.
There are many reasons why video not playing properly or not supporting HW acceleration.
Sometimes bug or limitation of device's media framework, sometimes bug of MX Player, sometimes corruption of video file, and so forth.
Hello everyone,
I have a few questions regarding 4K videos. I tried playing a 4K H265 10bit video on the phone using the native Sony Video app and, although it did play, it was slow as heck. Does the phone support such videos natively (i.e. Hardware Accelarated playback)? Is it an issue of the app itself? Since almost all 4k content, with or with HDR/10bit, is in H265 are we limited to Youtube and Amazon for 4K playback? Do I have to transcode all my 4K Blu-Ray movies to H264 in order to play them? Are there any third party players (e.g. bsplayer) that can play 4k videos (and utilize the phone's 4k resolution, not just play them in 1080p). Thank you all for your time.
I downloaded a 4k test sample encoded in x265 and played it with MX player app with hardware acceleration.
Worked perfectly. Smooth as butter.
fartyparty said:
i downloaded a 4k test sample encoded in x265 and played it with mx player app with hardware acceleration.
Worked perfectly. Smooth as butter.
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use mx player
Thanks a lot for your time. It seems that mx player does not use the phone's native 4K resolution though and displays a 1920x1080 image so there is no point in using it. My question is whether a video player app exists, besides Sony's native one, that is able to use the phone's 4K resolution, not just play 4K videos.
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Thanks a lot for your time. It seems that mx player does not use the phone's native 4K resolution though and displays a 1920x1080 image so there is no point in using it. My question is whether a video player app exists, besides Sony's native one, that is able to use the phone's 4K resolution, not just play 4K videos.
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I think you can change the phones overall resolution to 4K for that purpose: https://forum.xda-developers.com/xz-premium/themes/mod-change-default-resolution-to-4k-root-t3618843
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Thanks a lot for your time. It seems that mx player does not use the phone's native 4K resolution though and displays a 1920x1080 image so there is no point in using it. My question is whether a video player app exists, besides Sony's native one, that is able to use the phone's 4K resolution, not just play 4K videos.
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Tried with Sony Xperia Video app and the 4K sample I downloaded runs the same as it runs in MX Player.
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I think you can change the phones overall resolution to 4K for that purpose: https://forum.xda-developers.com/xz-premium/themes/mod-change-default-resolution-to-4k-root-t3618843
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Kot5nik, in my opinion, changing the resolution that android runs is not the proper way to go. Since XZ Premium is a device that supports 4k/HDR i shouldn't have to resort to "adb" to watch a 4k video in another app. Plus, by doing that, battery drain increases a bit, phone dialer app does not work, app switching does not show thumbnails etc.
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Tried with Sony Xperia Video app and the 4K sample I downloaded runs the same as it runs in MX Player.
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FartyParty, I stand corrected. You are absolutely right. I took screenshots of both MX and Sony apps and the look identical. Only one difference though. It seems that MX Player doest not utilize HDR. There is a noticeable difference in contrast. You can see the attachments if you want to.
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Hello everyone,
I have a few questions regarding 4K videos. I tried playing a 4K H265 10bit video on the phone using the native Sony Video app and, although it did play, it was slow as heck. Does the phone support such videos natively (i.e. Hardware Accelarated playback)? Is it an issue of the app itself? Since almost all 4k content, with or with HDR/10bit, is in H265 are we limited to Youtube and Amazon for 4K playback? Do I have to transcode all my 4K Blu-Ray movies to H264 in order to play them? Are there any third party players (e.g. bsplayer) that can play 4k videos (and utilize the phone's 4k resolution, not just play them in 1080p). Thank you all for your time.
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Here is what i found from testing the device for 4K HDR videos
the device can and will play 4K H265 10bit and even HDR videos but there are things that need to be done to play perfectly
first you need to check for the containers to be mkv or mp4
second using sony app will not allow to play surround sound file like dts, ac3, AAC 5.1 or AAC 7.1
third which i think is very odd and stupid from sony is that how such a powerful device can't play mkv with AAC sound track no matter what stereo or surround.
The trick for this to use software where they can switch container without the need for converting the whole file from mkv to mp4.
Hi everyone,
I have to also agree with @Liltman and say that the MX Player does play video content in 4k however there is a very noticeable difference between the stock Sony album player and the MX player.
Sadly the Sony video player doesn't support truehd aac files so the video will play flawlessly without the sound :crying:
The MX Player on the other hand WILL play the sound but the quality of the video seems to take a small hit as it's not as vibrant as the Sony album player. This is because MX Player supports 4k but not HDR
I hope that Sony added codecs to make TrueHD sound files compatible with the Sony gallery player on Oreo but I am not very confident about that.
I would appreciate it if someone can find a way around this annoying issue. What software is @HYPER-RX referring to?
Thanks!
Try VLC guys. When I played an HDR video in VLC it tried to force my brightness to max like YouTube does. However, it had to ask for som system write permission to do it and it didnt work completely. See if VLC does a better job though I found it to be pretty good.
MX Player definitely does support HDR. You can tell because in HDR videos, if you try taking a screenshot, the screenshot will simply come out as black, whereas in SDR videos, you'll get a normal screenshot.
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Try VLC guys. When I played an HDR video in VLC it tried to force my brightness to max like YouTube does. However, it had to ask for som system write permission to do it and it didnt work completely. See if VLC does a better job though I found it to be pretty good.
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Hi I just tried VLC and you was spot on. I can see that it actually does support HDR however I'm still having audio issues with the sound. Especially the HEVC Atmos 7.1. Do I need to download a codec pack or something?
It's a shame because the video quality is incredible!
Working perfectly
I tried to play 4k hdr 60fps video using the sony video app. I had no issues with playing it. It was smooth no lags at all.
codec was hevc and bitrate was 75Mbps and audio was AAC.
nirai06 said:
I tried to play 4k hdr 60fps video using the sony video app. I had no issues with playing it. It was smooth no lags at all.
codec was hevc and bitrate was 75Mbps and audio was AAC.
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Thanks was this on Oreo? And the sound file was it 5.1 or 7.1?
Howdy everyone
can anyone please explain why playback of video streams that r MPEG2 is so bad? 99,1% of my library contains MPEG2 with acc/AC3 in a .ts container and i would like to be able play them back on my Android device without them looking being played back at 15fps!!! Even the old PC in my Dad's office with a 833Mhz Pentium III plays them on WMP flawlessly. On that old machine they look how they should look and that is like being played back 60fps!!!
My Device is a Note 3 N9005 Snapdragon 800
Here are some infos about a typical file
Video
ID : 256 (0x100)
Menu ID : 26624 (0x6800)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 43mn 58s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 13.1 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 20.0 Mbps
Width : 1 440 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.282
Stream size : 4.04 GiB (93%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Audio
ID : 272 (0x110)
Menu ID : 26624 (0x6800)
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : LC
Muxing mode : ADTS
Codec ID : 15
Duration : 43mn 59s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 220 Kbps
Minimum bit rate : 66.8 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 347 Kbps
Channel(s) : 1 channel
Channel positions : Front: C
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -262ms
Stream size : 69.1 MiB (2%)
I'm really annoyed about this I want playback that looks like 60fps.
Could it be that Deinterlacing doesn't work properly? And yes i already installed a costum codec. Typ ARMv7 NEON.
Are you on stock ROM? And which android version? Do you have deinterlacing enabled?
Note that deinterlacing only works with SW mode decoder.
The most recent app version uploaded to Play Store today has some fixes relating to .ts.
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Are you on stock ROM? And which android version?
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Informations about my device Software:
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Do you have deinterlacing enabled?
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If I enable deinterlacing even more framedrops happen and it gets unwatchable.
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H/W or H/W+ doesn't even support the files.
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Unfortunately it didn't have much impact on the performance.
Another Question I have is if I activated deinterlacing wich modus does it use? If I play my files with vlc I need it to be Bob. Can I change this Settings somehow?
I also uploaded a Sample maybe u or even the Developer could check this out since I bought the Pro version and helped them out. Please play this file with windows media player even if you have vlc or any other player with the perfect codec set up it will somehow always be better with windows media player. And I hope ur eyes or brain can process the difference in frame rate because some people don't see it. On WMP it should look very fluid nearly as something shot with 60fps and on mx player it looks like I said not like that. In the past i thought it has something to do with the CPU/GPU and that my old S4 simply does not have enough horsepower (which was still weird because i knew even on old Windows machines the MPEG2 codec never made any issues) but then I got me a Note3 because it even supports 4K video playback but nope still same issue. So it must have something to do with the software.
@chieco
MX Player plays the video well in SW mode in my S5 without any lag...!!
chieco said:
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If I enable deinterlacing even more framedrops happen and it gets unwatchable.
H/W or H/W+ doesn't even support the files.
Unfortunately it didn't have much impact on the performance.
Another Question I have is if I activated deinterlacing wich modus does it use? If I play my files with vlc I need it to be Bob. Can I change this Settings somehow?
I also uploaded a Sample maybe u or even the Developer could check this out since I bought the Pro version and helped them out. Please play this file with windows media player even if you have vlc or any other player with the perfect codec set up it will somehow always be better with windows media player. And I hope ur eyes or brain can process the difference in frame rate because some people don't see it. On WMP it should look very fluid nearly as something shot with 60fps and on mx player it looks like I said not like that. In the past i thought it has something to do with the CPU/GPU and that my old S4 simply does not have enough horsepower (which was still weird because i knew even on old Windows machines the MPEG2 codec never made any issues) but then I got me a Note3 because it even supports 4K video playback but nope still same issue. So it must have something to do with the software.
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Are you running videos from network storage? And then it will be greatly dependent to network speed.
I tryed in on my Nexus 5 (which has inferior computing power to yours) for local and network playback.
But cannot reproduce your issue.
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@chieco
MX Player plays the video well in SW mode in my S5 without any lag...!!
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Are you running videos from network storage? And then it will be greatly dependent to network speed.
I tryed in on my Nexus 5 (which has inferior computing power to yours) for local and network playback.
But cannot reproduce your issue.
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First of all thanks everyone for their feedback.
No I don't stream it, it's stored on my internal memory.
Can u guys activate deinterlancing and see if it plays back normal?
And what about the framerate? I know it playsback "fine" but can't u guys see a difference in the framerate? Please take a look at this 15 Sec. Clip and pay attention to the first seconds where the Camera moves from person to person and maybe watch it few times on ur PC so that ur eye/brain gets used to the framerate and then look at it on ur Android Device. I'm not making this up :crying: And here another example its the Refrain from the first clip there is even more fast movement and camera zooms. Also it's hard to see sometime but there is also a "comb" effect happening. But since the Display's have such high ppi it not easy to spot.
Please guys it can't be only me that notices this :crying::crying::crying:
chieco said:
First of all thanks everyone for their feedback.
No I don't stream it, it's stored on my internal memory.
Can u guys activate deinterlancing and see if it plays back normal?
And what about the framerate? I know it playsback "fine" but can't u guys see a difference in the framerate? Please take a look at this 15 Sec. Clip and pay attention to the first seconds where the Camera moves from person to person and maybe watch it few times on ur PC so that ur eye/brain gets used to the framerate and then look at it on ur Android Device. I'm not making this up :crying: And here another example its the Refrain from the first clip there is even more fast movement and camera zooms. Also it's hard to see sometime but there is also a "comb" effect happening. But since the Display's have such high ppi it not easy to spot.
Please guys it can't be only me that notices this :crying::crying::crying:
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First of all, MX Player does not drop frames in SW decoindg mode.
Instead, if video decoding is slow, video processing will be slowed down and a/v sync will be lost gradually.
Second,I tried hyoketsu-120316.ts on development mode and saw all logs coming out but cannot find any lags or frame drops on my Nexus 5.
Finally, I cannot understand why you think WMV plays videos like 60fps. It is just 30fps and I felt same non-smooth frame changes in first few seconds with WMV.
FYI, I used WMV 12 on Windows 7 64bits.
I am not sure but your monitor may have special deinterlacing feature. Some high end monitors put intermediate frames to make video playback smooth. For example, they make 30fps videos to 60fps or 120fps by creating intermediate frames in chipset level. Or your WMP may have some advanced deinterlacing filters intalled. Anyway I cannot find any difference with default WMV configuration and regular monitor. If this is the case, it will need more research.
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Finally, I cannot understand why you think WMV plays videos like 60fps. It is just 30fps and I felt same non-smooth frame changes in first few seconds with WMV.
FYI, I used WMV 12 on Windows 7 64bits.
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I swear to God bleu8888 I'm not making this up WMP does Play those files looking like 60fps!!! And I finally found a really good Sample so please for the last time check it out and report :crying: you have to believe me.
I have a old MacBook on that I've installed Windows 7 (Build 7600) the WMP Version 12.0.7600.16385 the screen resolution is 1280x800 @ 60Hz
For example the newest VLC Version don't plays MPEG2 as smooth as WMP. The best result I get when I activate DeInterlancing and choose X for the mode but even then it's not exactly that smooth/fluid.
On my main system OSX I use a old version of VLC 1.1.9 newer versions struggle playing MPEG2 as well. And on there the DeInterlancing Mode is called Bob other modes can't play it smooth.
If I activate DeInterlancing on mxplayer which mode will it use? Can u edit the codec and change the mode?
I wish we could meet and I would show you what I mean. I really want this to work properly so bad u can't believe it.
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I am not sure but your monitor may have special deinterlacing feature. Some high end monitors put intermediate frames to make video playback smooth. For example, they make 30fps videos to 60fps or 120fps by creating intermediate frames in chipset level. Or your WMP may have some advanced deinterlacing filters intalled. Anyway I cannot find any difference with default WMV configuration and regular monitor. If this is the case, it will need more research.
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No I use the build in Display which doesn't have special features.
Tomorrow I try to get my hands on a Nexus 5 and see if it's the same.
Something must have changed regarding MPEG-2 compatibility.
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H/W or H/W+ doesn't even support the files.
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I'm not sure if the Note 3 has hardware MPEG-2 (H.262) support; the fact that H/W doesn't work suggests that it does not.
If you transfer the video from a .ts container to mp4, does it make a difference? I would imagine not, but I'm interested to see what happens anyways.
Also, in mp4 the system stock media player will probably be able to play it. I'm curious if the system app can play it without lag.
CDB-Man said:
Something must have changed regarding MPEG-2 compatibility.
I'm not sure if the Note 3 has hardware MPEG-2 (H.262) support; the fact that H/W doesn't work suggests that it does not.
If you transfer the video from a .ts container to mp4, does it make a difference? I would imagine not, but I'm interested to see what happens anyways.
Also, in mp4 the system stock media player will probably be able to play it. I'm curious if the system app can play it without lag.
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Do you know any MP4 Muxer that allows MPEG2 files? I don't.
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I swear to God bleu8888 I'm not making this up WMP does Play those files looking like 60fps!!! And I finally found a really good Sample so please for the last time check it out and report :crying: you have to believe me.
I have a old MacBook on that I've installed Windows 7 (Build 7600) the WMP Version 12.0.7600.16385 the screen resolution is 1280x800 @ 60Hz
For example the newest VLC Version don't plays MPEG2 as smooth as WMP. The best result I get when I activate DeInterlancing and choose X for the mode but even then it's not exactly that smooth/fluid.
On my main system OSX I use a old version of VLC 1.1.9 newer versions struggle playing MPEG2 as well. And on there the DeInterlancing Mode is called Bob other modes can't play it smooth.
If I activate DeInterlancing on mxplayer which mode will it use? Can u edit the codec and change the mode?
I wish we could meet and I would show you what I mean. I really want this to work properly so bad u can't believe it.
No I use the build in Display which doesn't have special features.
Tomorrow I try to get my hands on a Nexus 5 and see if it's the same.
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Ok Chieco, you are right. WMP plays this sample video far better than VLC and MX.
Actually MX does not have enough deinterlacing supports. This will be improved in the future.
Thanks.
bleu8888 said:
Ok Chieco, you are right. WMP plays this sample video far better than VLC and MX.
Actually MX does not have enough deinterlacing supports. This will be improved in the future.
Thanks.
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:crying: Thank You
My dream is to be able to watch all my videos that r like 99,1% in MPEG2 buttery smooth like on WMP. My eyes/brain r used to it being like 60fps looking and I really notice the difference really quick. Thank you for acknowledging it and for doing something about it I really appreciate it.:good:
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Do you know any MP4 Muxer that allows MPEG2 files? I don't.
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I'm pretty sure that Handbrake can put MPEG2 into mp4, since it uses ffmpeg to encode the MPEG2. Mind trying it out?
I'm not sure about this second point, but some of the newer Samsung roms have media players that support mkv. See if yours will do MPEG2 in mkv.
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since it uses ffmpeg to encode the MPEG2. Mind trying it out?
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wait a minute... you mean re-encode my files not remux! HELL NO.... there is no way that I do that. Isn't it one of the best advantage of Android to be able just to copy whatever file format video u want and then install a great app like mxplayer and enjoy ur video? Thats the reason why I newer watched a single video on my iPhone. Besides my computer is so old that it takes ages to convert a video. And the video quality suffers from re-encoding. And especially on my MPEG2 files the "Magic" 60fps effect gets lost. I am using mxplayer for years now and I always blamed the slow processing power of my phone but i was fed up with this thats why I created this Thread and i can't be happier because bleu8888 recognized the problem and said he will fix this in the future! I surely don't know how long it will take but knowing he is doing something about it gives me patience.
Ah, right, I forgot that handbrake has no video passthru option; it's only got audio passthru. Oh well, in that case then yes, there is no simple way to get MPEG2 into an mp4 container.
I have a 2015 model of sony bravia android tv, and it has a MT5890 CPU and a mali T-624 GPU. I installed the latest version of mx player and armv7 neon codec.
I am able to play x265 coded videos with built-in video player without any problem, it's very smooth, and I can skip forward or backward or just jump to whenever I wish to.
However when using mx player, it's also very smooth, but I can only play from the beginning, if I try to skip forward or backward, or jump to a certain time point, it starts to act very weird. Sometimes video speeds up 2x or 3x, sometimes it slows down, like it's catching up or slowing down to wait audio to be synchronized. And it can take from couple of minutes to half an hour to go back to normal.
This only applies to x265 coded videos, I have other video that are coded with x264 or HEVC, and they work just fine in both built-in player and mx player.
I have tried other video players like spmc, kodi or VLC, they all stutter, VLC is probably the best among these but it is still dropping frames left and right. But most of them don't have problem with skipping or jumping.
Can someone please explain the reason? Could it be fixed?
Much appreciated!
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I have a 2015 model of sony bravia android tv, and it has a MT5890 CPU and a mali T-624 GPU. I installed the latest version of mx player and armv7 neon codec.
I am able to play x265 coded videos with built-in video player without any problem, it's very smooth, and I can skip forward or backward or just jump to whenever I wish to.
However when using mx player, it's also very smooth, but I can only play from the beginning, if I try to skip forward or backward, or jump to a certain time point, it starts to act very weird. Sometimes video speeds up 2x or 3x, sometimes it slows down, like it's catching up or slowing down to wait audio to be synchronized. And it can take from couple of minutes to half an hour to go back to normal.
This only applies to x265 coded videos, I have other video that are coded with x264 or HEVC, and they work just fine in both built-in player and mx player.
I have tried other video players like spmc, kodi or VLC, they all stutter, VLC is probably the best among these but it is still dropping frames left and right. But most of them don't have problem with skipping or jumping.
Can someone please explain the reason? Could it be fixed?
Much appreciated!
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Basically, x265 is an encoder for HEVC. So, both are same.
Maybe some particular HEVC profile has issues. Can you try HW+ decoder?
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Basically, x265 is an encoder for HEVC. So, both are same.
Maybe some particular HEVC profile has issues. Can you try HW+ decoder?
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In fact I am using HW+ decoder, and it's the only way I can play those videos smoothly. Switching to HW or SW would make the video either completely unplayable or stutter very heavily.
To sum it up, I CAN play any videos with built-in player smoothly and drag or jump or skip however I want to.
I CAN play x265 coded files smoothly with mx player in HW+ mode, but I CANNOT jump or skip. I CAN play any other videos with mx player without any problem.
I CAN play x265 coded files with some level of stutter with other players like spmc and VLC, but I CAN drag or jump however I want to.
The videos that I am having problem with have these kind of parameters:
Format : HEVC
Format Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main [email protected]@High
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Writing library : x265 2.5+4-b4a5bcfe29c7:[Windows][GCC 4.9.3][64 bit] 10bit
If the writing library is x264 or ATEME Titan KFE or ATEME Titan file, or if the codec ID is hev1, or if the format profile is Main [email protected]@Main, I don't have a problem.
This is so weird....
To the TC - Did you ever get this sorted?
I am having the same issue on my Sony Bravia. Whilst the actual player is exactly what I wanted, I get exactly the same issue when fast forwarding or rewinding.
I have played around with the different codec settings but it doesn't seem to make any differences.
Did you end up finding a solution?
Cheers
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To the TC - Did you ever get this sorted?
I am having the same issue on my Sony Bravia. Whilst the actual player is exactly what I wanted, I get exactly the same issue when fast forwarding or rewinding.
I have played around with the different codec settings but it doesn't seem to make any differences.
Did you end up finding a solution?
Cheers
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Glad to see that I am not alone. But unfortunately I did not find any solution and had given up on this.
After all, it is only a tiny fraction of all the videos have this kind of behavior.
Thank you for the confirmation
(Yes, I know i already asked about this in the Asus Zenfone 3 subforum.)
The title says it all. Basically MX Player plays HEVC encoded videos on this phone using software decoding, even though this device has hardware decoding support for that codec. Can anyone explain it to me why?
I will attach a bug report as soon as I figure out how add attachments.
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(Yes, I know i already asked about this in the Asus Zenfone 3 subforum.)
The title says it all. Basically MX Player plays HEVC encoded videos on this phone using software decoding, even though this device has hardware decoding support for that codec. Can anyone explain it to me why?
I will attach a bug report as soon as I figure out how add attachments.
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Hi,
It depends. Not all HEVC files are same. For example your device may only support HEVC main profile upto 1080P @ 30fps.
In such cases, you can't play any HEVC 4K file or an HEVC file encoded with the Main10 profile or a video HEVC video with 60fps (in HW+, it may lag).
If you can't upload the logs here, you can share the link after uploading to anywhere else (like Google Drive, Dropbox, etc.,).
If you have issues with links as well, then just mask it ( Like replace http with h**p)
Thanks for the reply!
Here is the report:
h**ps://drive.google.com/file/d/14lguX8sJefjLzBS7w2vOaoqMjQaufn4u/view?usp=drivesdk
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Thanks for the reply!
Here is the report:
h**ps://drive.google.com/file/d/14lguX8sJefjLzBS7w2vOaoqMjQaufn4u/view?usp=drivesdk
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There is no log about the playback. Maybe some other app is generating too many logs.
Kindly Increase the log buffer size on developer options on your system & collect the log again immediately after attempting to play in HW & HW+.
Never mind, I've figured it out. The problem was that the videos I tried to play were encoded at level 4, while my phone only supports hardware decoding up to level 3.1.
Again, thanks for your help.