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Can anyone with a Sensation post some 1080p clips on Youtube, or maybe upload an untouched version on some filehosting site? I heard they did some wizardry and drastically improved the video compared to previous offerings. Pretty please with sugar on top?
I second this
I'm just trying now, not sure what the outcome will be
I cant post links as my post count isnt high enough..
Only way I can think is going to YouTube and search my channel 'PygoReviews'
Theres a couple on my channel uploaded, then a longer one is on its way once its uploaded. Includes filming my fish, my chameleon then going outside, so different lighting perspectives.
PygoShlee said:
I'm just trying now, not sure what the outcome will be
I cant post links as my post count isnt high enough..
Only way I can think is going to YouTube and search my channel 'PygoReviews'
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Search "PygoReviews" = no hits
youtube.com/user/PygoReviews
http://www.youtube.com/user/PygoReviews
Cheers
There is another video being uploaded, im off to work now but the video shall be done in about half an hour.
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Ok. Thanks.
Apparently search only works if you've uploaded >2 vids. Who knew?
Channel Search
You can search for YouTube channels in the same way that you search for videos. All user channels with greater than two uploads are indexed in search results.
PygoShlee said:
I'm just trying now, not sure what the outcome will be
I cant post links as my post count isnt high enough..
Only way I can think is going to YouTube and search my channel 'PygoReviews'
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Please, upload a original sample to any fileholder (megaupload.com ,etc...).
Becouse Youtube always recode video.
Yes please upload unmodified clip onto say mediafire, megaupload, oron, filesonic, rapidshare, etc. Would appreciate it.
Here's the links to the two videos pygoreviews uploaded. Thanks for uploading.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVKQDJFab2g
Sorry to say, but the indoor video does not look good at all. Lots of noise and artifacts, blur, and dropped frames. The most annoying thing for me (which it shares with the Atrix and other Motorola phones) is it can't adjust exposure smoothly, like someone playing with the dimmer in a room; the slightest tilt and change in light suddenly dims or brightens the whole picture in big steps. Very annoying to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IOR5mGRibY
In the outdoor video, seems to suffer from the same problems as the iPhone, but seems worse. Overblown and oversaturated colors and contrast, killing detail and giving it a smeared cartoony appearance. Exposure problems are less noticeable but still a problem.
Doesn't seem much better than HTCs older phones. I think the Atrix might even be better. The iPhone4, GS1/GS2/Nexus, G2x and N8 are all better.
Here are a couple of videos from that guy that has all those youtube videos already. Sam's Tech. Makes a good comparison with the GS2 since its all from the same field, time, and wind conditions.
Sensation 720p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC9R35x5tEQ
Galaxy S II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jBQPMzhXQ0
Sensation 1080p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP6Zjs5prW4
Galaxy S II 1080p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDV91zfm6VU
GS2 is much smoother and more detailed, with better colors and far less exposure issues. Just really far ahead in a lot of respects. Sensation still has exposure issues. Colors/contrast are way overblown/oversaturated like the previous videos, killing detail. Framerate is not smooth, quite jerky. And no screaming foul, since they are both Youtube uploads. It is smooth sometimes, but then stumbles quite a bit on others. The weirdest thing are the colors. They shift very dramatically. The grass goes from pale green one moment (like its overcast) to yellowish and warm the next, probably because of some exposure issue as well since it changes only at certain angles. Then there's the very conspicuous patches of blue/purple that sometimes appear on the grass or strewn atop the trees. Ghoulish. The strange color artifacts and overall weird colors remind me of an old VHS tape on a jacked up tube TV, not to mention the other details.
Another issue is the audio capture. Both the GS2 and Sensation have sucky audio capture (The G2x, iPhone4, and N8 are much better), but the Sensation fares worse in this comparison since the sound of the wind is needle sharp like lightning cracking (GS2 more like thunder thud) and the guy's voice has a lot more of those sharp screechy cutoff sounds. And no idea of the technical term for this.
Video capture and quality is very high on my priority list, probably tied with screen quality for number one spot. I know some people don't give a hoot about the camera or video of a phone, but there's a ton of people who do, especially as a convergent device. If you are looking for good video capture, there are much better choices out there.
Could be worse. Check out this issue with the SGS II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QznuN_ZUh-A&NR=1
Some sort of random pink spot in the middle of every pic/video. Apparently quite a common issue there. New firmware doesnt fix it either.
Not saying I don't agree with everything you said about the Sensations videos. Exposure looks likes its being controlled by someone with a palsy. All over the place. Disappointing really.
Wow man, just read ur posts, they are all bashing HTC Phones/ Loving SGS Phones. BTW when u have sun setting on fiels it really gives the ground a pale yellow colour so if the video shows that it isnt a bad thing also when u limit the area to just the grass it focuses in that frame and adjusts the ISO and Exposure if its set to auto. So imo showing pale yellow colour when the sun is setting is a good thing, I know my Sony Cam takes the lighting into action unlike my nexus one cam who would always try to dim the lighting to the minimum thus kicking out the colours due to lighting, About SGSII or any other phone audio being better u can just thank your fanboyism for such judging. This is the first time i heard anyone sayin Mono audio sounds better than stereo :/. The audio might not be one with studio quality fidelity quality, but still awesome for a phone video Sensation video was equally smooth, its just that the guys hands were shaking, u can't blame your wife for becoming pregnant when u forgot to use a condom. And like u said Moderators dont give a rat ****
Just putting up another of mediafire. Off to work again so will post up a link later. Its outside today, so be prepared for alot of wind noise Bloody weather.
Here you go people:
http://www.mediafire.com/?llmpx16mm5o7oye
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Here you go people:
http://www.mediafire.com/?llmpx16mm5o7oye
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Looked ok and sound was alright despite wind. Now question. Does the video camera have any whitebalance options at all? There was quite a lot of washout of the colour in bright light. I would like to be able to set whitebalance to sunny perhaps to combat that kind of thing.
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Looked ok and sound was alright despite wind. Now question. Does the video camera have any whitebalance options at all? There was quite a lot of washout of the colour in bright light. I would like to be able to set whitebalance to sunny perhaps to combat that kind of thing.
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Yes, I saw it in a video and just checked the manual where it's listed and gives the impression that it is available (the photo only options mention "photo only" and white balance doesn't have that comment).
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Here you go people:
http://www.mediafire.com/?llmpx16mm5o7oye
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Just saw it, seems quite nice. Not as much detail as I'd like but more than decent. And definitely better than the first 720p videos for phones (those were absolute rubbish). Hey, it's even better than some "1080p" tv shows I've seen (you know the ones, where it seems the FullHD was achieved through very aggressive warpsharp algorithms).
Outdoor clips look good! but I'm worried about indoor / low light.. The samples from even the G2X looked smooth in very low light, but the Sensation clip looked to have the same awful judder that my Nexus One has..
PygoShlee, if you would be so kind, can you take a low light / indoor night time video in 720p and see if it's smooth?
(G2x clip for comparison in a dark room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZnP23jd_A4)
I'll do it this afternoon
Sent from my HTC Sensation
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Here you go people:
http://www.mediafire.com/?llmpx16mm5o7oye
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I quite like this. Smooth when panning. Detail could be better.
I’m going to be buying a new phone soon. I’ve been eyeing up the Galaxy S II but I thought I might as well wait and see what is announced this month. One thing that all top end rumoured phones have in common is a 720p display. I have to admit this alone has tempted me to wait. But then I got to thinking, aside from the ‘cool’ factor. What benefit in the real world will a 720p display bring us?
The two main advantages that I can see are improved PPI and the obvious advantage when playing 720p videos. But a higher PPI means more processing power, which in turn means lower battery life. Also from an admittedly purely lazy point of view it means having to zoom in further to be able to read text.
A 720p display will now mean that 480p videos on youtube and the like will be upscaled and won’t look as good. ‘Just choose the 720p option’ you say. Fine, so long as you’re on wifi. Until 4G hits and is widespread (which in the UK is going to take a while) it will mean longer waits and buffer issues.
Yes I’m nit picking but I’d genuinely like to hear your thoughts on the pros and cons of a 720p display. I know there will be many more I’ve missed.
i see it from 2 sides....
720p = really nice picture quality
720p bad for some apps/games, which might no longer run properly, unless fixed, or some how the hardware can auto adjust the resolution to stretch it to fit.
720p can be a bit of a pain, if some Apps/Games developer decide to use too small of a touch area, due the larger dot-pix available in the 720p area
that also means DVD quality or lower quality videos played on the 720p will look like blurry or smeared, that can be fixed with software/hardware correction, like games.
^^ All that.
Plus, I don't really see the need for a 720 screen that's around the 4" size. Do you really need pixels that small? They'll be smaller than photons if we carry on like this and then it'll be reality that'll have to catch up with our tech
Personally, I wouldn't hold back for purely that one feature, but who knows what else is round the corner. Get a phone and let it be the best for a few months and then slowly drop down the list. As everyone always says, there's always something better coming, and if you waited then you'd never get anything.
Incidentally, I do have the SGS2, and it is REALLY nice
well definitely 1080p will be around the corner as we already stepped into the 720p kingdom
so 1080p on a 4" display would not be a long wait, but it will really make you think, what's the point of cramming so much in such a little screen
i can see 1080p to be a normal thin on a 10" tablet, but on a phone... that's a bit much
i do hope they don't go beyond 720p on any screen smaller than 5"
imagine running Windows Vista/7 on 15" wide LCD at 1080 (there are many laptops that are actually like that) it's soooooo eye strain-ful, it literally kills the eyes
i always down set the resolution back to something more readable to not strain my eyes
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i always down set the resolution back to something more readable to not strain my eyes
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Do you need your reading glasses as well, so you can find your pipe and slippers?
i don't wear glasses, and i intent to keep it that way, reason why i prefer an easy reading, on 480 vs 720
on 720 i'll have to probably the the font size twice as big, to make it easily legible when you are in the car, bus/subway, or walking
no i don't get dizzy reading while doing any of the above
many people can't read if they are in a moving vehicle
probably due the same relevant issue about having to scan the text in a small device and straining your vision, while trying to keep an eye on the road and not crashing
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i don't wear glasses, and i intent to keep it that way, reason why i prefer an easy reading, on 480 vs 720
on 720 i'll have to probably the the font size twice as big, to make it easily legible when you are in the car, bus/subway, or walking
no i don't get dizzy reading while doing any of the above
many people can't read if they are in a moving vehicle
probably due the same relevant issue about having to scan the text in a small device and straining your vision, while trying to keep an eye on the road and not crashing
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I agree with you, therebisbreally no reason to go above 720p resolution on small smartphone devices. I myself notice my eyes begin to hurt after more than thirty minutes or so of heavy reading on my Sensation. Now I know my Sensation does not have 720p but I am just saying the size of the screen and the text on that screen is no doubt a strain on the human eye after extended reading done on the device. 1080p is definitely so,ethimg that should just make it to the larger tablets and not smartphones.
Oh and yes actually paying attention to the road while you are driving is a highly recommended activity lol.
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that also means DVD quality or lower quality videos played on the 720p will look like blurry or smeared, that can be fixed with software/hardware correction, like games.
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This is just plain wrong, low resolution video will look just as good on 720p displays.
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Maybe i miss-understood your question, but i am using the Galaxy SII
I never had any screen / resolution issues
Well,first off,let's not forget that Android supports changing the DPI in build.prop(I think-haven't bothered in a while).I don't think manufacturers will leave 220-240 dpi of the current devices on 720p devices,but they would rather pump it up,so that everything stays the same size,but is just crisper.That's just my thought though.
On another note,lower resolution videos won't look worse at all.Resolution in that aspect is irrelevant.The same way that you can play a 720p video on a 480p screen without problems,you can do the opposite just as well.Unless some manufacturer decides to f*ck it up with upscaling tricks and stuff that will defo make the image blurry and ugly.
The only really valid argument on the topic,in my opinion,is the possible lack of processing power,especially when it comes to GPUs.We even saw the Mali MP-400,the most powerful GPU on a PHONE (DON'T SAY ABOUT THE A5 IN THE iPAD!!!!) to date,struggle to keep up in the case of the Galaxy Note's resolution.If the next gen of SoCs doesn't improve quite a lot in that aspect,we'll see some performance drops for sure.Not to mention the worst thing,the losses of battery life in case that extra power is met.Not that I mind about battery life as long as it makes it through the day,but many many people do.
Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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progressive, opposed to the i of interlaced.
Technically 720i use half the vertical pixels for each frame.
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Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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Yes man,we know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/720p
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Hi Folks,
Yes, I have searched and read lots of topics about HOX vs SGIII, and I can summarize that the main differences are the screen, the build/form factor, the proprietary interface (TouchWiz or Sense), the battery (removable or not), the memory (micro SD or not), the RAM, the multitasking, and the cameras. This last part, the cameras, is where I am not sure if either folks here do not care, I have not found the right posts, or it has simply not been discussed before.
In particular, there is this great video comparison under http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1747204 , and almost at the end of the video there are video recordings and snaps with both phones. Unfortunately this thread is closed, but I would like to know if the SGIII camera is just that great compared to the HOX, except for one fact: that the HOX can take better still pictures under low light conditions due to the higher aperture. In the above video, the video recording from the SGIII seems much better than the HOX's.
Finally, has the HOX multitasking issue been resolved, or it has just been dropped because the HOX+ is just around the corner?
Cheers,
G.
Got to play with my fathers s3 a bit they are very comparable. next time i see him i will load pics and vids from his phone onto my pc would have him send the pics i took but it would change the size. so if you want i can send direct comparisons to you or link them to you in my dropobox. i will make sure setting across both devices will be the same.it will be same pics and vids from both devices. when i was comparing the other day really was wondering how different they would look when loaded onto a device with the same screen.Stills did seem clearer from mine didnt even look at video capture though.
Low light performance is not only dependent on aperture, but also depends how the photos are processed by hardware and software. HTC has historically been notorious for over-processing images in low light situations (giving a pixelated or dotty appearance), and the One X while an improvement is not completely free of this.
I've read several "pro" reviews on the phones, and comparisons between them on various websites. Also read plenty of comments on here comparing the two. Some say the GS3 camera is marginally better, while some say the One X is better. The difference is subtle, One X is better is some conditions, worse in others, but only slightly. I think you would be hard pressed to declare a clear winner and its pretty much a draw. As far as camera, you will probably be happy with either phone.
You may these side-by-side comparison photos from CNET useful: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57454915-251/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-camera-versus-htc-one-x-iphone-4s/
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Got to play with my fathers s3 a bit they are very comparable. next time i see him i will load pics and vids from his phone onto my pc would have him send the pics i took but it would change the size. so if you want i can send direct comparisons to you or link them to you in my dropobox. i will make sure setting across both devices will be the same.it will be same pics and vids from both devices. when i was comparing the other day really was wondering how different they would look when loaded onto a device with the same screen.Stills did seem clearer from mine didnt even look at video capture though.
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Thank you. Yes, that would be great comparo. Even better if you could do videos of the same with both. In the great video I linked above there are two videos of the same set up taken with both phones. Maybe is just me, but the SGIII video seems much better on colors, sharpness, and adjusting the focus on the situation.
The overall pictures taken by both seem very similar in many reviews I have read, but video seems much better on the SGIII. Therefore, would be great if you can post videos taken with both.
Cheers.
G.
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Low light performance is not only dependent on aperture, but also depends how the photos are processed by hardware and software. HTC has historically been notorious for over-processing images in low light situations (giving a pixelated or dotty appearance), and the One X while an improvement is not completely free of this.
I've read several "pro" reviews on the phones, and comparisons between them on various websites. Also read plenty of comments on here comparing the two. Some say the GS3 camera is marginally better, while some say the One X is better. The difference is subtle, One X is better is some conditions, worse in others, but only slightly. I think you would be hard pressed to declare a clear winner and its pretty much a draw. As far as camera, you will probably be happy with either phone.
You may these side-by-side comparison photos from CNET useful: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_...laxy-s-iii-camera-versus-htc-one-x-iphone-4s/
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Thanks. Yes, other things come into play on low light situations, thanks for the input.
Yes, the still camera might be tr same, but what about the videos? Any ideas on this?
Thank you for the link.
Cheers,
G.
By the way, what is the status on the HOX multitasking ?
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Thanks. Yes, other things come into play on low light situations, thanks for the input.
Yes, the still camera might be tr same, but what about the videos? Any ideas on this?
Thank you for the link.
Cheers,
G.
By the way, what is the status on the HOX multitasking ?
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Off topic: hit "thank you", please
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Can't seem to find this info. Is there a list anywhere? I assume, the Sony video and album apps work in 4k. YouTube and Amazon Prime too. After that I'm not sure. Vlc? Netflix?
Thanks in advance.
Netflix is a no, not supported yet! vlc should work fine. And 4k pron is epic lol
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Netflix is a no, not supported yet! vlc should work fine. And 4k pron is epic lol
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Don't spread misinformation. Netflix released HDR support some days ago for our phone.
Artyomska said:
Don't spread misinformation. Netflix released HDR support some days ago for our phone.
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Sorry my bad. I got the app a few weeks ago and didn't see the update. I also left them bad feedback lol. I'm going to check out Netflix now thanks
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Don't spread misinformation. Netflix released HDR support some days ago for our phone.
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He wasn't spreading mis information. HDR and 4k are not the same thing. Can't find it said anywhere that they support 4k yet.
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He wasn't spreading mis information. HDR and 4k are not the same thing. Can't find it said anywhere that they support 4k yet.
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My bad. I understood wrong , so sorry for the unfair accusation . Yeah we still don't know if Netflix streams their content on 4K along with the HDR.
EDIT: Does anyone happen to have a premium Netflix subscription so we can know if our phone supports 4K along with the HDR (if it's possible to see the resolution somehow).
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Does anyone happen to have a premium Netflix subscription so we can know if our phone supports 4K along with the HDR (if it's possible to see the resolution somehow).
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As far as I can tell, it does not. Just HDR at the moment.
I have premium subscription. I only see a box for HDR on the movies that have it and movies without HDR have only HD box so that's all.
Netflix uhd
Last I spoke to netflix support the guy checked and said they're updating the code in the app to make Uhd 4k compatible on our xzp. Can't wait as already hdr looks at amazing.
The Amazon Prime video doesn't show either if a video is 4K HDR or not. How can we know it?
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The Amazon Prime video doesn't show either if a video is 4K HDR or not. How can we know it?
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they have [Ultra HD] in the title, from what I see. it will also say "Ultra HD" at the bottom after a bit of streaming.
doesn't seem to specify HDR or not when playing, but the Ultra HD shows are in the HDR channel.
other apps seems to show "HDR" in front of the current resolution, though.
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of course that does pose an interesting question, if you cant tell if your watching 4k HDR then whats the point other than decimating your battery .
Personally I can tell HDR a mile off, on the other hand 4k MOVING content on such a small screen is a lot harder to see than you might think. on such a small screen I suspect the vast majority of people will never notice if its a 1080 or 2160 image they are watching but the HDR will be clear as day.
HDR on a 50in 4k TV looks absolutely stunning, but generally speaking, on a small screen the biggest benefit most people will be able to notice unless they are sitting an inch from the screen is the HDR, that is the most noticeable element to the 4K package and you can get that with a 1080p video so....
(Cue die hard fans declaring otherwise)
just saying, don't be expecting a monumental improvement on Netflix or Amazon when they go 4K, if you are already getting HDR then you are 95% of the way to a great picture.
4K HDR on a massive TV on the other hand is unbelievably beautiful the best way to describe it is that its like looking out of a window, the biggest part of that is HDR but on such a large display the detail is incredible, without pressing your nose up against the screen
I disagree. The difference in sharpening and details is noticeable in 4K, especially in high contrast and action scenes, even if you are watching the video 30 cm away from the screen. But 1080p is still good if you watch certain videos or when want to save the battery.
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I disagree. The difference in sharpening and details is noticeable in 4K, especially in high contrast and action scenes, even if you are watching the video 30 cm away from the screen. But 1080p is still good if you watch certain videos or when want to save the battery.
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except to say that's all in your head. you want it to be true so it is. That's not a dig at you or anything, that's just the way our minds are wired.
on static images you can just about tell on such a small display sitting at a normal distance away of around 20-30 cm, but on a moving image on a screen that small, you physically cant see a difference, its biologically impossible unless you have what would normally be bad eye sight
Its been shown time after time in double blind tests that when two high bit rate images are displayed on the same small size screen and at the same distance but one being 4k and the other being 1080p, there are as many people who think the 1080p looks "better" as there are the 4k.
its subjective. throw in a moving picture which may deliberately contain noise and its virtually impossible to tell UNLESS, you get close enough.
I'm sitting in front of two screen just now, one is a 4k monitor, the other is the 1080p panel in this laptop. I have the same image on both (a 4K image) and they look identical unless you get close enough to see it.
Our eyes are pretty cleaver things in fact they are one of the most amazing examples of evolution in our whole body but seeing detail isn't their strongest point, what they are very good at doing is helping to make your brain think it sees what it wants to see. In short, they are an analogy tool which has physical limitations neither you nor I has any control over.
Its cool if you don't want o believe that, as I said, our minds are designed to make you believe whatever you want but that is the truth, unless you have normally very bad eyesight or your nose is up against the screen, you wont notice the difference.
HDR on the other hand which isn't typically played with 1080p content makes the situation very different. As does having 60+ Hz displays. OLEDs make a huge difference as does how the RGB components are arranged.
Normal folk don't sit with their eyes glued to the screen but if you don't do that, you wont see the physical pixels. Its all good if you think you see more, and perhaps you do have dodgy eye sight that allows you to see more, but the average is 20/20 and most folk wont actually see anything different.... at a normal distance away
as I said though, the HDR is truly amazing, I cant stress that enough.
BTW, I do have the XZp and I have a huge 4K Samsung TV. Absolutely love the large display, you wouldn't be able to pry it out of my cold dead hands
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except to say that's all in your head. you want it to be true so it is. That's not a dig at you or anything, that's just the way our minds are wired.
on static images you can just about tell on such a small display sitting at a normal distance away of around 20-30 cm, but on a moving image on a screen that small, you physically cant see a difference, its biologically impossible unless you have what would normally be bad eye sight
Its been shown time after time in double blind tests that when two high bit rate images are displayed on the same small size screen and at the same distance but one being 4k and the other being 1080p, there are as many people who think the 1080p looks "better" as there are the 4k.
its subjective. throw in a moving picture which may deliberately contain noise and its virtually impossible to tell UNLESS, you get close enough.
I'm sitting in front of two screen just now, one is a 4k monitor, the other is the 1080p panel in this laptop. I have the same image on both (a 4K image) and they look identical unless you get close enough to see it.
Our eyes are pretty cleaver things in fact they are one of the most amazing examples of evolution in our whole body but seeing detail isn't their strongest point, what they are very good at doing is helping to make your brain think it sees what it wants to see. In short, they are an analogy tool which has physical limitations neither you nor I has any control over.
Its cool if you don't want o believe that, as I said, our minds are designed to make you believe whatever you want but that is the truth, unless you have normally very bad eyesight or your nose is up against the screen, you wont notice the difference.
HDR on the other hand which isn't typically played with 1080p content makes the situation very different. As does having 60+ Hz displays. OLEDs make a huge difference as does how the RGB components are arranged.
Normal folk don't sit with their eyes glued to the screen but if you don't do that, you wont see the physical pixels. Its all good if you think you see more, and perhaps you do have dodgy eye sight that allows you to see more, but the average is 20/20 and most folk wont actually see anything different.... at a normal distance away
as I said though, the HDR is truly amazing, I cant stress that enough.
BTW, I do have the XZp and I have a huge 4K Samsung TV. Absolutely love the large display, you wouldn't be able to pry it out of my cold dead hands
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Did you finish your diagnosis? So according to you people who notice the difference between 4K vs 1080p on a smartphone have a bad eyesight, while the others don't. Alright... [emoji16]
You can't understand that it is better to display a 4K video file on its native resolution screen, than squeezing it on a lower resolution screen. Sure the size of the screen matters but this doesn't mean that in a smaller screen it isn't noticeable.
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Did you finish your diagnosis? So according to you people who notice the difference between 4K vs 1080p on a smartphone have a bad eyesight, while the others don't. Alright... [emoji16]
You can't understand that it is better to display a 4K video file on its native resolution screen, than squeezing it on a lower resolution screen. Sure the size of the screen matters but this doesn't mean that in a smaller screen it isn't noticeable.
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yes, that's exactly it, but you will notice I said that it would be bad in everyday life. ie you don't have 20/20 vision.
If I render a 2160 image and display it on my 4K panel then render a 1080 image and display it on my 10800 panel then view it from a normal distance, you cant tell the difference unless you get up close.
ok, I can see this is slipping away from you so ill try change of tact.
If you sit in front of your 1080 screen and look at your desktop at arms length can you see the individual pixels? nope, I sure as hell cant, not unless I have major eye sight issues that magnifies everything, So what makes you think you can see 2160 image pixels? you cant. which means any detail within those pixels that you cant physically see, is lost. It doesn't mean you cant see the image, only that you can only see a grouping of pixels.
Or perhaps another way to look at it. if you lie on a beach, you might be able to see the individual sand grains by your head. but I bet you cant see the individual grains of sand by your feet. You can still see the sand, you just cant physically see the grain.. Its the same with phone screens only significantly more challenging because a grain of sand is typically between 0.1mm and 2mm.
on the 4k display on a phone that has a screen size of 5.5in, that works out that each individual pixel is just 0.03mm wide
that makes a 1080p pixel 0.06mm wide.
now tell me, if you had two pixels that size sitting right next to each other in front of you by about 30cm, are you honestly telling me that you could clearly see both separate pixels? nope. you wont and that is on a static image, never mind a moving one with Noise and compression artefacts in it.
That is the physical limitation of your eyes, your brain then does the rest and if your adamant its better, you will always see it being better. But I bet if I did a blind test on you, the results would be interesting for you to read
its cool tho, as I said, if you believe its better than that is all that matters, you are the person watching it, I just wouldn't want people on here expecting big things and being disappointed if it doesn't live up to expectations.
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yes, that's exactly it, but you will notice I said that it would be bad in everyday life. ie you don't have 20/20 vision.
If I render a 2160 image and display it on my 4K panel then render a 1080 image and display it on my 10800 panel then view it from a normal distance, you cant tell the difference unless you get up close.
ok, I can see this is slipping away from you so ill try change of tact.
If you sit in front of your 1080 screen and look at your desktop at arms length can you see the individual pixels? nope, I sure as hell cant, not unless I have major eye sight issues that magnifies everything, So what makes you think you can see 2160 image pixels? you cant. which means any detail within those pixels that you cant physically see, is lost. It doesn't mean you cant see the image, only that you can only see a grouping of pixels.
Or perhaps another way to look at it. if you lie on a beach, you might be able to see the individual sand grains by your head. but I bet you cant see the individual grains of sand by your feet. You can still see the sand, you just cant physically see the grain.. Its the same with phone screens only significantly more challenging because a grain of sand is typically between 0.1mm and 2mm.
on the 4k display on a phone that has a screen size of 5.5in, that works out that each individual pixel is just 0.03mm wide
that makes a 1080p pixel 0.06mm wide.
now tell me, if you had two pixels that size sitting right next to each other in front of you by about 30cm, are you honestly telling me that you could clearly see both separate pixels? nope. you wont and that is on a static image, never mind a moving one with Noise and compression artefacts in it.
That is the physical limitation of your eyes, your brain then does the rest and if your adamant its better, you will always see it being better. But I bet if I did a blind test on you, the results would be interesting for you to read
its cool tho, as I said, if you believe its better than that is all that matters, you are the person watching it, I just wouldn't want people on here expecting big things and being disappointed if it doesn't live up to expectations.
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Look doctor what you said is true for printed images but not for the motion picture videos. Or when you use high res images and you zoom at them. If you have any eponymous scientific research that proves your theory then post it here or i will never take your opinion into consideration.
But even then do you believe that the film industry should going backwards and shoot at 1080p in order to satisfy the majority of smartphone manufactures?
Do you thing that it is convenient for any person to convert their 4K videos to 1080p in order to use them on their smartphones?
Also what type of resolution should they choose the smartphone users with QHD screens?
Do you thing that the downsampling code out of the 4K resolution, that Youtube and other online streaming services use is good enough to be presented on a 1080p screen?
If other smartphone manufacturers in the future adopt the 4K resolution and see you praise them for that, then i will put everything you said in your face. But to see you underestimating this excellent piece of hardware in order to justify others inability to compete, this doesn't make the others look better by any means.
in terms of pixel size, it doesn't matter if its printed media or video, in fact motion picture makes the difference between 1080 and 2160 even less relevant on a small screen because you cant focus on a single area for any length of time. But you didn't answer my questions, if you sit at a computer screen at 30CM distance, can you optically distinguish one pixel from another without magnification aids? this was your test and I'm throwing you a bone because on a computer monitor the PPI is significantly lower than on your mobile device!
4K on small screen, anything less that 50in for the most part, is the worlds latest lie in order to get you to buy something new that is the untenable true in it, when 3D failed miserably this was the latest thing as it happens they also released HDR which is a monumental improvement which makes the display look amazing.
at a typical distance from a tv set, if you have a screen of less than 50 in you will need to sit within 3 feet or there about to actually, physically, see the difference, ALL other perceptions are just your mind making stuff up to make you feel better.
This is also why when you go shopping for TV sets they get you as close to the screen as humanly possible, because it looks fantastic, but in reality ya don't sit that close.
same is true of any display, you just need to scale it down.
There are numerous other considerations to consider when talking about image quality, bitrate ( compression artefacts), compression algorithm, FPS, Display refresh rate and yes of course Resolution, but resolution can only help if it fits within the physical limitations of our eyes.
As to why the movie industry files in 4k or higher, well, there is a very good reason for that and that is because its typically shown on a 70 FOOT screen, a screen that is typically meters away from you.
however don't take my word for it, this chap has summed up what is actually pretty complex in a nice easy to understand manor.
http://wolfcrow.com/blog/notes-by-dr-optoglass-the-resolution-of-the-human-eye/
read that, its a little dated but then our ability to see hasn't suddenly improved. the important part to read and understand the 0.4 arc minutes which gives us a theoretical maximum discernible resolution of just over 4k but ONLY if its so close to your eyes you can barely focus on it!
BUT is saying all that, as I said before, if you believe its better then that is all that really matters but I just strongly advise people looking to buy the phone not to expect mind blowing images because in reality, it physically cant do it.... unless its on the end of your nose.
This article scientifically proves that the legally accepted norm of 20/20 vision only asks for 876 ppi/dpi at 4 inches (10 cm).
At 1 foot (12 inches = 30cm), is about 720 ppi/dpi.
Only at 2.5 feet (76,2 cm) is about 300 ppi/dpi.
http://wolfcrow.com/blog/notes-by-dr-optoglass-the-resolution-of-the-human-eye/
So the required pixel density for smartphones is between 720 and 876 ppi/dpi because you hold them 10-30 cm away from your eyes.
The 300 ppi/dpi pixel desity applies only for computer monitors because you are siting at least 60-70 cm away from them.
The myth Steve Jobs created about "magic number right around 300 pixels per inch" for smartphones is officially debunked!
I don't seem to have much luck getting UHD content to play any higher than 1080p on the Amazon app. The only thing that has ever played in 4K was an episode of The Grand Tour.
Hi Guys!
I have recently bought the S7 (Exynos, Samsung camera sensors), considering the good price/performance ratio after reading a lot of reviews how good this phone was. Since I owned a low-budget 4 year old Huawei smartphone - which had a price tag about 25% of the S7's current price - maybe my expectations were too high on the camera and that's all it has to offer. Or is there some setting i'm missing?
I have tried a second device (about 1.5 year old), same circumstances, same results. Both have the latest Nougat firmware installed, no root or whatsoever. Photos are ok.
Both shots were made with default settings, automatic mode, HDR auto, flash off, 1080p/30fps:
1.) first I wanted to show my buddy with my new phone, what's the job he has to deal with soon (he is a painter)
vimeo.com/268656045
2.) when I saw the results, I made a second video in the kitchen, I would say rather good lightning than poor (although artifical), nevertheless same issue as seen in the first video
vimeo.com/270958764
(One more thing to add, Vimeo encoding did not cause significant degradation, what you see it's almost the same as you watched the original file.)
Why isn't the colour smooth? What causes those "waves"/bands around the somewhat yellowish focus in the middle?
It seems to be a problem with the "gradients". (nor sure if it's a proper definition of the problem, but the shadows have a similar effect on a solid/mono color surface as the light is less and less compared to the center) For me it's like the color banding issue, which AMOLED screens use to have sometimes, as I have read in several forums.
Thanks for any feedback and help in advance!
I get those banding circles if I take a photo with RAW enabled in Pro mode in bright light, probably just a limitation of the sensor under certain conditions
Could it be the colour depth of the sensor?
https://s33.postimg.cc/6pycvoojz/1766257102c5c3dd8f.jpg
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I get those banding circles if I take a photo with RAW enabled in Pro mode in bright light, probably just a limitation of the sensor under certain conditions
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First of all thanks for the feedback! So you think it's not a malfunction, that's all the phone has to offer in such cases? I was wondering, that I did not read about similar complaints. No one has ever tried to record a video with similar background and similar lightning conditions? Or those who did, they never use to complain in forums?
Either way this result is disappointing.
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Could it be the colour depth of the sensor?
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Hi zeroprobe!
First of all, thank you for your feedback too! I really appreciate it. As far as I can tell, the video shows similar degradation like your pictures between 8bit vs 10bit, but what can be done? What does it mean?
Bump!
Did anyone experience similar issue while recording a video? Is there a solution or it is as it is, this device has basically a cr*p quality in certain circumstances? I wouldn't call it a great camera seeing this, rather disappointing.