Hye all,
My phone is stuck in boot logo(honor 8 FRD L19C636),
unable to go to recovery but only able to go to fastboot & rescue mode.
-phone locked
-FRP lock
anyone can help me,?
You may have to manually reinstall the OS back on your device.
iceepyon said:
You may have to manually reinstall the OS back on your device.
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how can i manualy reinstall the OS?
june28dane said:
how can i manualy reinstall the OS?
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I have the same issue try to extract update.img and flash manually recovery.img etc... if you can't and have FAILED... then i can't help you because i'm stuck in the same ****.
iceepyon said:
You may have to manually reinstall the OS back on your device.
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Ive never tried this method. Will check later and then update here after tried it.
Quite bz handle my newborn kids
june28dane said:
how can i manualy reinstall the OS?
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You would have to download the OS files onto your computer. Connect your device to your computer via USB and boot your device into download mode. You may also need to install applications to install the OS back onto your device. It's been a while since I've done that.
sidqara said:
Hye all,
My phone is stuck in boot logo(honor 8 FRD L19C636),
unable to go to recovery but only able to go to fastboot & rescue mode.
-phone locked
-FRP lock
anyone can help me,?
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I had the same experience, and the only think i was able to do was to went to the first assistance center. Cause i was not able to get my OEM unlock code.
Your bootloader's locked, so manual flashing won't work.
If you don't have any exzperience in this regard, I'd suggest a visit to the nearest Service Center
Otherwise, 'dload' is your friend. Find an 'old'(marshmallow maybe) full stock Firmware package for your phone(the correct model). It'll be around 3GB when extracted. Copy the Update.app file and put it in a folder named 'dload' in your SD Card. Insert the SD card in your phone and press&hold Vol+,Vol- and Power button simultaneously until installation begins. If it fails then you've chosen a wrong firmware. If it goes all well, your phone should be up and running.
If it gets fixed, unlock your bootloader first thing, then you can flash the latest Nougat if you want
Dload is the easiest way around. :angel:
Unable to dload. When i press vol + - powerbutton. Its just restart and not load to install.
Its keep on restart , i also noticed it does not have bootanimation.only honor screen
sidqara said:
Unable to dload. When i press vol + - powerbutton. Its just restart and not load to install.
Its keep on restart , i also noticed it does not have bootanimation.only honor screen
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Did you hold it long enough?
itisiryan said:
Did you hold it long enough?
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yeah i'm sure . when im hold the button, it will vibrate 2 times and then nothing happen, its only appear the blue honor wallpaper
just send my phone to service center yesterday, waiting for their call to pickup later, . myb 2-3 days
sidqara said:
just send my phone to service center yesterday, waiting for their call to pickup later, . myb 2-3 days
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I have the same situation. If the service center came to repair your phone, please let me know.
sidqara said:
yeah i'm sure . when im hold the button, it will vibrate 2 times and then nothing happen, its only appear the blue honor wallpaper
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yeah same with me, already try many method. but not work.
chmn said:
I have the same situation. If the service center came to repair your phone, please let me know.
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EroVegency said:
yeah same with me, already try many method. but not work.
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got a call from service center and they said phone is ready to pick up
Just pickup the phone. They give me a new phone.
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Hi guys,
yesterday I put evoking (android 4.2.1) on my phone, and I wanted to change it, so I've installed ROM Manager..
After that, I've rebooted on recovery, but, the phone shows only the lg's icon..
So I tried to unbrick this whit KDZ (using this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883314) and, I tried all the possibility, but it still not working. Now, it does not turn on!! Can you help me please?
P.S. Sorry for the english I'm using google translate..
remove battery, plug the phone to computer while pressing vol up and power to see if computer recognize it, if it does, flash again via kdz
after reflash, restart and w8 for the phone to boot, it will take some minutes to boot, just be patient
grigtm said:
remove battery, plug the phone to computer while pressing vol up and power to see if computer recognize it, if it does, flash again via kdz
after reflash, restart and w8 for the phone to boot, it will take some minutes to boot, just be patient
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And if the computer don't recognize it?
that will not be good, maybe hardbrick
grigtm said:
that will not be good, maybe hardbrick
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and there isn't any solution?
sao_95 said:
Hi guys,
yesterday I put evoking (android 4.2.1) on my phone, and I wanted to change it, so I've installed ROM Manager..
After that, I've rebooted on recovery, but, the phone shows only the lg's icon..
So I tried to unbrick this whit KDZ (using this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883314) and, I tried all the possibility, but it still not working. Now, it does not turn on!! Can you help me please?
P.S. Sorry for the english I'm using google translate..
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Hey bud,
its simeple.
even i faced the same issue once. Just reboot the mobile and while booting go to the recovery mode (home+vol up + powerbutton). tere u can reinstall the rom. try ICy/PAC MAN. it works beautifully. remember to keep this rom zip file in SD card while rebooting.
skanth said:
Hey bud,
its simeple.
even i faced the same issue once. Just reboot the mobile and while booting go to the recovery mode (home+vol up + powerbutton). tere u can reinstall the rom. try ICy/PAC MAN. it works beautifully. remember to keep this rom zip file in SD card while rebooting.
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I know, but my phone don't turn on!!
sao_95 said:
I know, but my phone don't turn on!!
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OMG, u should ve done this step before KDZ's steps. things were simpler. Its time to take to the store i guess.
arlways areenadd
skanth said:
OMG, u should ve done this step before KDZ's steps. things were simpler. Its time to take to the store i guess.
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I ve done this step..
sao_95 said:
I ve done this step..
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If you removed the battery after unsuccessful kdz flash, then your phone is hard bricked and you need to go to LG
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I hope someone can help? I have an AT&T LG G3 (D850) that boots up with an error message at the logo screen. It does not go any further than that. I can get the phone in recovery mode only. I have reset to factory several times. No luck. Additionally, my computer does not recognize that the G3 is connected, so can't use Odin to flash recovery.
Is there any way to get the phone to work again? Or, am I looking at a very expensive paper weight. I thank you in advance is you can help me out.
MuthaTrucker said:
I hope someone can help? I have an AT&T LG G3 (D850) that boots up with an error message at the logo screen. It does not go any further than that. I can get the phone in recovery mode only. I have reset to factory several times. No luck. Additionally, my computer does not recognize that the G3 is connected, so can't use Odin to flash recovery.
Is there any way to get the phone to work again? Or, am I looking at a very expensive paper weight. I thank you in advance is you can help me out.
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can you get to download mode hold the volume up button while you plug the usb cable in to the phone
jerrycoffman45 said:
can you get to download mode hold the volume up button while you plug the usb cable in to the phone
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No, I am not able to do so. The computer shows an error message about the device not being recognized. Thanks.
MuthaTrucker said:
No, I am not able to do so. The computer shows an error message about the device not being recognized. Thanks.
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if you cant get to download mode then it is probably a brick call att for warrenty
jerrycoffman45 said:
if you cant get to download mode then it is probably a brick call att for warrenty
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Thanks for your help. The phone was rooted, so I am sure that AT&T will say that I voided the warranty. But, it does not hurt to try.
If it won't boot they can't tell doubt they will check anyway
MuthaTrucker said:
I hope someone can help? I have an AT&T LG G3 (D850) that boots up with an error message at the logo screen. It does not go any further than that. I can get the phone in recovery mode only. I have reset to factory several times. No luck. Additionally, my computer does not recognize that the G3 is connected, so can't use Odin to flash recovery.
Is there any way to get the phone to work again? Or, am I looking at a very expensive paper weight. I thank you in advance is you can help me out.
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Are you using Odin or the lg flash tool?
Sent from my LG-D850 using XDA Premium HD app
Intub8 said:
Are you using Odin or the lg flash tool?
Sent from my LG-D850 using XDA Premium HD app
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Thanks for your response. Odin does not highlight a port, when the phone is connected. ADB says no device found. I think I will go to Best Buy and ask their Samsung Expert to update ROM, which might get it out of loop.
While in recovery you should be able to mtp xfer a stock rom to your downloads directory (SD card), and flash it, would be my hope. I believe you did say you can get to recovery.
What happened/changed that left it error booting?
JeffDC said:
While in recovery you should be able to mtp xfer a stock rom to your downloads directory (SD card), and flash it, would be my hope. I believe you did say you can get to recovery.
What happened/changed that left it error booting?
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Maybe I am using the wrong term...I can hold the volume button down and power button to get it to a screen where I can wipe the data to factory. Besides that I cannot get to any other screen. I was trying to flash Philz recovery on the device. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
MuthaTrucker said:
Maybe I am using the wrong term...I can hold the volume button down and power button to get it to a screen where I can wipe the data to factory. Besides that I cannot get to any other screen. I was trying to flash Philz recovery on the device. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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you didnt answer the earler question are you using lg flash tool oden is for samsung
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you didnt answer the earler question are you using lg flash tool oden is for samsung
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I have downloaded the tool per your suggestion. However, I cannot get the phone into download mode, so I am back to square one. Thanks.
MuthaTrucker said:
I have downloaded the tool per your suggestion. However, I cannot get the phone into download mode, so I am back to square one. Thanks.
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try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-lg-g3/general/unroot-return-to-factory-stock-att-lg-g3-t2820827
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Maybe I am using the wrong term...I can hold the volume button down and power button to get it to a screen where I can wipe the data to factory. Besides that I cannot get to any other screen. I was trying to flash Philz recovery on the device. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Are you on OEM recovery? If on TWRP recovery you can MTP a file to the SD and flash via that. I'm not familiar with OEM recovery other than seeing it once.
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Are you on OEM recovery? If on TWRP recovery you can MTP a file to the SD and flash via that. I'm not familiar with OEM recovery other than seeing it once.
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First of all, thank you for all your responses. I really appreciate that. I ended up sending the phone to LG to be fixed. I just want the phone fixed and server as my backup now, since I bought the Samsung Note 4 and Gear S. Will update, when I hear back from LG. Thanks again.
Sounds to me that the drivers are not loaded correctly on the PC. If you can get to recovery you should be able to get to DL, I would think.
Hello, last night i received the message that my phone needed to update itself to the new firmware so i did that.
When the phone rebooted it just put me onto a black screen with the twrp logo flashing every 5 seconds, i figured out that it was because of me running an old version of twrp and i
flashed it and rebooted and everything worked great but then i tried to root my phone with supersu and the phone switched logo in the boot from the honor logo to the android logo and froze there,
i managed to fix that aswell. Now to the problem i am facing right now, the phone got similar problems again so i attempted a normal factory reset, didn't help so i tried to format data and it removed everything but i am still stuck at the infinite booting loop when i start my phone. Does anyone know how to fix this? I do not have the money to purchase a new one
I have access to adb and twrp just so you know.
Liaam121 said:
I have access to adb and twrp just so you know.
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Flash the rollback package.
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Flash the rollback package.
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Where can i get this from? I know it may sound obnoxious but i am just wondering if it is a download link or something you can already access.
On Support page on HiHonor web
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On Support page on HiHonor web
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Found it, should i just flash it with adb or?
What is the command. I am not a native english speaker aswell so just a quick guide so i know what to do would be appreciated
https://club.hihonor.com/in/eyestow...-marshmallow-this-is-what-you-should-do.11907
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https://club.hihonor.com/in/eyestow...-marshmallow-this-is-what-you-should-do.11907
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When i press the volume up + down and power button it brings me to twrp, i can't manage to get into erecovery mode.
Nvm i got in. However when i get into the mode and press the recovery button it spins until it displays this message "Getting package info failed". Do i have to do it through erecovery?
I do not know another method.
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I do not know another method.
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Well isn't flashing a option in adb?
You can try. But I do not know the method.
KoumiCZ said:
You can try. But I do not know the method.
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.., i guess i can't do anything. I wonder tho, am i not able to just install the firmware itself since i wiped everything?
Did you try dload?!
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.., i guess i can't do anything. I wonder tho, am i not able to just install the firmware itself since i wiped everything?
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Flashing in ADB is risky. Better try erecovey method
Guys,my phone gets a problem,a massive problem,so when i press power button it just show a green led light,when i hod it same result a green light shows and disappear and again shows,it have 46 percent battery when this happend but i plug it to charger result like i hold power button,cant enter recovery same like i press power button,fastboot mode is gone when i hod volup and plug to pc it goes on flash mode,flash mode is now have two buttons volup works and vol down works too.i am try to install .75 fromware with newflasher,its installed but my phone still bricked,i install .34 too and it dosent unbrick my phone too.
Please help me because i cant find a way to fix it,oh and i try yo use sony companion but it dosent install on my pc.
And sorry for my bad english.
try to reinstall twrp rwcovery
enter tobrecovery then wipe all data and cash to format ur phone
karrouma said:
try to reinstall twrp rwcovery
enter tobrecovery then wipe all data and cash to format ur phone
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I havent fastboot mode so i cant flash twrp
Blackghosthm said:
I havent fastboot mode so i cant flash twrp
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try from flashtool.
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try from flashtool.
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I dont know how i most do it,but im sure that not gonna help because when i get brick i already haved twrp but i cant boot to recovery.
It look like i lost my phone:crying:
Blackghosthm said:
Guys,my phone gets a problem,a massive problem,so when i press power button it just show a green led light,when i hod it same result a green light shows and disappear and again shows,it have 46 percent battery when this happend but i plug it to charger result like i hold power button,cant enter recovery same like i press power button,fastboot mode is gone when i hod volup and plug to pc it goes on flash mode,flash mode is now have two buttons volup works and vol down works too.i am try to install .75 fromware with newflasher,its installed but my phone still bricked,i install .34 too and it dosent unbrick my phone too.
Please help me because i cant find a way to fix it,oh and i try yo use sony companion but it dosent install on my pc.
And sorry for my bad english.
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this has happened to me last night i have 22 percnt battery charge my phone, i have turn off my phone because i want to enter again recovery because im doing some installing zip, when i press power then vol down, it was off so i was thinking it was booting into recovery but it wasnt turning on pressing power nothing going recovry nothing, i panic i get my original sony charger then plug it in, after a while it turn on with a battery indicator, i charge it about 60% then tried turning on the device, and magic it turned back to life, i wasnt sure what was happening but next time when ur going to recovery make sure phone is turned off then go from there dont go, turn off while its turning off press power + vol down please dont do this
2 hour on charging but nothing.
Blackghosthm said:
2 hour on charging but nothing.
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May I ask what did u do before this happen?
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May I ask what did u do before this happen?
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Im haved carbon rom ,then im going to recovery flash turbo rom flash magisk reboot device(after im go to rom change log i found that root deleted on that version i installed),so boot animation shows up but device turn off i again press power bottun again boot animation shows up and device turn off do that again and same result.so after 3 time im try to going to recovery mode but i found that my phone is bricked.
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Im haved carbon rom ,then im going to recovery flash turbo rom flash magisk reboot device(after im go to rom change log i found that root deleted on that version i installed),so boot animation shows up but device turn off i again press power bottun again boot animation shows up and device turn off do that again and same result.so after 3 time im try to going to recovery mode but i found that my phone is bricked.
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Oh I see did you have. Clean installation? I mean did u wipe everything before flashing turbo latest tomorrow? Because it needs to have a clean flash Coz of a high sec update and no dirty flashing as posted to his thread,
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Oh I see did you have. Clean installation? I mean did u wipe everything before flashing turbo latest tomorrow? Because it needs to have a clean flash Coz of a high sec update and no dirty flashing as posted to his thread,
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Im never do a dirty flash always clean flash.
Hope some buddy know how i must fix my phone
I recently fixed a bricked XZP with Flashtool, get the latest stock firmware from Xperifirm if you dont have on hand an older hackable firmware from XperiFIX
in Xperifirm setting, set it to extract firmware automatically once downloaded to speed things up,
In flashtool/Tools/bundles/Create, select source folder (your downloaded extracted firmware)
in device "double click" & select your phone model from the list.
branding: add as your download example, custom_uk
version: firmware version copy & paste from download
copy all files from file list to firmware content & click create
this will build a .ftf flash tools file which can then be flashed to your bricked device
just follow the prompts in flashtool....
worked for me,
good luck
netwave said:
I recently fixed a bricked XZP with Flashtool, get the latest stock firmware from Xperifirm if you dont have on hand an older hackable firmware from XperiFIX
in Xperifirm setting, set it to extract firmware automatically once downloaded to speed things up,
In flashtool/Tools/bundles/Create, select source folder (your downloaded extracted firmware)
in device "double click" & select your phone model from the list.
branding: add as your download example, custom_uk
version: firmware version copy & paste from download
copy all files from file list to firmware content & click create
this will build a .ftf flash tools file which can then be flashed to your bricked device
just follow the prompts in flashtool....
worked for me,
good luck
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I already haved 3 ftf file i instaled all of them with flashtool nothing change i still have a bricked phone.its look like im so unluckyor others dont experince my problem.
Im hating sony now i never will buy a phone and im gonna tell every body to do not buy a sony phone.im using y3 now and if my phone dosent fix thats gonna be my phone unitl it die.
Guys really no way for me? Im realy upset to why i dont bought a lg phone .because lg has a tool wich i relive my dead g3 with that why sony dosent have a tool like that?
Hey guys I mentioned some thing when i flash rom with flash tool it in somewhere of flash log its said battery stats not found,i domt know it same for others or not can somebody test it and give me result.
Please if someone of you know a proffesional sony developer please give me his id to talk with him.
dear use sonys own flash tool it ll fix your problem
someone121 said:
dear use sonys own flash tool it ll fix your problem
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How give me a deep solution.
Edit flshimg normaly firmware dosent fixy problem.i dont know what the hell going on my phone it just have flashmode no more and when try any other thing just notification led turn green and off.
u have flash mode or no
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u have flash mode or no
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Ofcourse i have and flashed .34 amd .75 frimwares with both neflasher and flashtool but none of them fix my problem.is it something that dosent change when we flash stock frimwares.
Lol. Sony phones are really hard to brick. You really can't brick a Sony phone even if you intentionally wanted to. I've even had a failed flash (phone disconnected while flashing) and was still able to flash using flashtool.
Anyways, I know this has been said before, but what happens after you flash using flashtool? Did you check all the boxes for a full wipe?
BTW, bad mouthing a phone just because you can't solve your problem won't help you.
Smartisan R1 Finally Rooted !
Could you share how you managed to get it work ? and does it effect OTA updates ?
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Could you share how you managed to get it work ? and does it effect OTA updates ?
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Yes I will write a guide soon. You loose fastboot after OTA, what I do is unpack OTA files and flash from fastboot without touching bootloader, then it's ok.
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Smartisan R1 Finally Rooted !
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so cool! I also want to root, I hope to get a tutorial. My system version is v6.6.6.3_TNT
os_man said:
Yes I will write a guide soon. You loose fastboot after OTA, what I do is unpack OTA files and flash from fastboot without touching bootloader, then it's ok.
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please instructions
evelinanevinnaya said:
please instructions
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https://bbs.mokeedev.com/t/topic/13653
Any help on U3
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Yes I will write a guide soon. You loose fastboot after OTA, what I do is unpack OTA files and flash from fastboot without touching bootloader, then it's ok.
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I have a Smartisan Nut3(aka u3) and have not been able to use it in months! Because unfortunately I can't bypass lockscreen, and recovery menu ( by holding vol dwn + power at startup) has no factory reset option! Only: reboot, reboot to bootloader ( Which only restarts phone to lockscreen), Apply update from ADB( tried using but USB debugging is lock I assume etc or I could be doing it incorrectly to bypass lockscreen or factory resetting it), apply update from SD card ( also tried but when I put card in I can't locate it. And when I go this menu without a SD in phone it still displays this long file list as if theirs a SD card in it. It always shows same files.), Wipe cache partition, shutdown.
And I've done all the YouTube methods to bypass lockscreen etc. I would love to get this phone working. It has become a constant ache, one of those little tech problems that's become to fully test me, beating me. Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you.
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I have a Smartisan Nut3(aka u3) and have not been able to use it in months! Because unfortunately I can't bypass lockscreen, and recovery menu ( by holding vol dwn + power at startup) has no factory reset option! Only: reboot, reboot to bootloader ( Which only restarts phone to lockscreen), Apply update from ADB( tried using but USB debugging is lock I assume etc or I could be doing it incorrectly to bypass lockscreen or factory resetting it), apply update from SD card ( also tried but when I put card in I can't locate it. And when I go this menu without a SD in phone it still displays this long file list as if theirs a SD card in it. It always shows same files.), Wipe cache partition, shutdown.
And I've done all the YouTube methods to bypass lockscreen etc. I would love to get this phone working. It has become a constant ache, one of those little tech problems that's become to fully test me, beating me. Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you.
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Soory didn't see this message, did you fixed it?
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Soory didn't see this message, did you fixed it?
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Unfortunately I still have not been able to. I have put so much time into researching and trying everything.
If theirs any advice or options you can tell me to either factory reset it or bypass the lockscreen pattern or whatever i can do to be able to use it would be beyond appreciated because i haven't even been successful? with someone else trying to. So please HELP ME PLEASEEEE?
TechBoss509 said:
Unfortunately I still have not been able to. I have put so much time into researching and trying everything.
If theirs any advice or options you can tell me to either factory reset it or bypass the lockscreen pattern or whatever i can do to be able to use it would be beyond appreciated because i haven't even been successful with someone else trying to. So please HELP ME PLEASEEEE
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You just need factory from (Qfil from), all Smartisans have it, you can probably google and find it. If you can't, let me know ([email protected])
os_man said:
Smartisan R1 Finally Rooted !
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how to get fastboot, i try combo key but not working
os_man said:
Smartisan R1 Finally Rooted !
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can you sent firmware smartisan r1, my phone stuck fastboot
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can you sent firmware smartisan r1, my phone stuck fastboot
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坚果手机 R1 魔趣刷入教程 (MK81/MK90)
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