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Does the phone or battery itself has over charge protection?
Is it safe leave the phone connected to a computer/charger all the time?
I've been using HTC Hermes for 2 years and already replaced 3 batteries, not sure if it was due to phone was connected to a charger for at least 12 hours a day or something else..
Thank you.
technically it should'nt be an issue. the phone can detect when its battery is full and can set itself to trickle charge (atleast that's what i've been told). You do want to atleast have it drain itself full once a month or have it off the power line ever so often to keep the energy moving otherwise it goes stagnant. (not exactly stagnant, but you know what i mean.. right?)
Draining battery is not a problem, the phone does a good job doing just that
With all the technology one could assume that an advanced phone like this would have a overcharge protection. But wanted make sure that it does.
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With all the technology one could assume that an advanced phone like this would have a overcharge protection. But wanted make sure that it does.
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No convinced it does myself. All the add-on chargers, cradles, etc. highlight having overcharge protection if they're any good. So perhaps it (overcharge protection) is a functionality of the charger and not the phone itself?
I know that when my phone is charging (battery not 100%) it's cool to touch, but when on charge (USB cable from PC, sync active) when the battery is full it's mildly warm to touch. Perhaps suggesting that incoming un-needed power is being converted into heat for dissipation?
To me, I think the phone probably has overcharge protection (whether it be the charging source, or teh phone itself by heat dissipation), but if your constantly leaving it on charge then perhaps the constant warmth is what's reducing your battery life?
Most charging control electronics is inside the phone, with some parts
inside the battery, like overheating protection and battery cell diagnostics.
Charging control checks the voltage rise during charging (actually difference
beetwen voltage before charging pulse and after that, so called delta voltage),
and when it reaches certain threshold, a charging unit switches to trickle
charging, which means "charging" with 1/10 or less of normal charging current,
amount which cannot cause perceivable warming. Most of warming happens
on final stage of normal charging, when battery is almost full, and its charge
accumulation efficiency drops, but is still being charged with the same current,
part of which, that cannot be accumulated, is dissipated as heat.
Heat dissipation
That heat dissipation is what has always concerned me. So I have bought extra batteries and external charges. I use the TP for business and some days out of the office a lot. Not unusual to go to two, occasionally three batteries in a day. That issue is my only "complaint" about this phone.
Hello everyone
I was wondering if its ok to leave the transformer connected to the charger.
Is it like the Evo with trickle down when it reaches 100%
I dont want to over charge it. If it were my laptop i would disconnect the battery at full charge. But its not possible to do that with the transformer.
I want to keep my cycle count low and prevent over charing.
I also wonder what happens in a few years when the battery is shot...
Charging is what damages Li-Ion batteries... I'd recommend not keeping it on the charger all the time. Android will purposely not keep the battery at 100% to help avoid some damage.
Li-ion prefer to be around 20-80% charge.
When battery is 100% and you keep the charger connected, heat will begin to build up and eventually you will kill your battery.
I'd do as with a notebook: charge till 100%, then remove battery or charger (in case of the tablet charger ) . Then use your tablet and recharge when needed / desired. And from time to time a full charge / discharge cycle won't do any harm.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards.
These tablets don't automatically recognize when it's fully charged and turn off the charging?
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These tablets don't automatically recognize when it's fully charged and turn off the charging?
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They do. There are other threads asking why thier TF's don't show 100% when unplgged from the charger. Same as it does on my Evo.
I think pretty much every modern device recognizes a full charge and responds accordingly. In fact, MacBooks will throttle performance if the battery ISN'T kept in while the system is running on A/C.
Heat will damage a battery, but it's not heat from charging but heat from operation. If a notebook is poorly designed and the battery is near a heat source, then removing the battery might be a good idea (except with the aforementioned MacBooks), but that's independent of the charging issue.
I think it's fine to keep it plugged in. These devices are smart enough to manage such things. Of course, the TF's charging cable's so short it's hard to use when plugged in, but that's a different issue entirely.
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When battery is 100% and you keep the charger connected, heat will begin to build up and eventually you will kill your battery.
I'd do as with a notebook: charge till 100%, then remove battery or charger (in case of the tablet charger ) . Then use your tablet and recharge when needed / desired. And from time to time a full charge / discharge cycle won't do any harm.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards.
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From what I understand this process cannot and will not kill the battery. This did happen in the old type of batteries with the ,emory effect but these new batteries and the OS's management system for charging does not allow the battery to be killed.
it will heat up and that would happen as there is a flow of electricity but not to a level that would kill the battery.
Cheers
IS it normal to go from 4% battery to 99% in under 3 hours ?
I thought this was supposed to take 8 hours to charge.
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gpearson1968
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IS it normal to go from 4% battery to 99% in under 3 hours ?
I thought this was supposed to take 8 hours to charge.
Cheers,
gpearson1968
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Yes that's normal. It's meant to take about 3hrs.
Thanks guys...
Still dont know about it. Because I think its like my EVO and technology got so good that my battery is protected.
I really dont want my transformer to become a expensive paper weight or non-mobile because after a few years it has 45 mins battery life.
I've got the first full charge and full depletion done. Is it ok to use while charging now as long as I fully charge and fully deplete it a couple more times?
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Thanks guys...
Still dont know about it. Because I think its like my EVO and technology got so good that my battery is protected.
I really dont want my transformer to become a expensive paper weight or non-mobile because after a few years it has 45 mins battery life.
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batteries will degrade over time....would you be keeping this tablet for over 2-3 years? a simple battery change could work if ever needed
I am no expert, but I have spent some time searching around the internet looking for information on the best methods for improving the life of a battery. Most of the information I have found said it is bad to completely discharge a Li-polymer battery. The articarles stated it was best to charge the battery when it reaches 20% to avoid shortening its life.
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Batteries are like muscles - they like to be exercised.
Leaving the unit plugged in WILL NOT HURT YOUR BATTERY. Period. The charging circuitry in modern devices is smart enough to cut current to the battery once it has reached a certain level of resistance.
Batteries do not like being deeply discharged. Most devices will shut off before the battery gets too deeply discharged, but it's never a good idea to tempt fate by running it until the device shuts off.
What really determines a battery's life is the number of cycles it has been put through. A cycle would be a full charge followed by a full (or to a lower end threshold) discharge.
The old original Lithium Ion batteries used in laptops would usually last about 300 full cycles or so - about a year if you used it on the battery every day. Partial discharges of course only count as fractions of a cycle.
Given the life of these types of devices, considering we'll likely upgrade to the next big thing in a year or so, I don't think anyone here will come close to 'wearing out' a battery.
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I've got the first full charge and full depletion done. Is it ok to use while charging now as long as I fully charge and fully deplete it a couple more times?
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As stated, these are Li-Ion batteries, and they do not need to be trained. The only reason you might need to do any training is to calibrate Android's understanding of the battery (although I doubt you need to do a full discharge for that, either).
It's not going to suddenly kill it, but it will over time hurt your battery's life.
I went ahead and did a full discharge/charge cycle, but only because Asus said to do so in the manual. Maybe the copywriter just copied/pasted from a circa 1990's manual for a device with a NiCd battery, but I figured if they're suggesting it, I might as well do it.
Anyone having charging issue. I ran my shield battery down when I first got it. Then I plug it in to charger. Its been charging over 8 hours and still not at 100 percent. took it off charge at 80 percent. No way it should take this long. I read on reviews it took like 4 to 5 hours.
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Anyone having charging issue. I ran my shield battery down when I first got it. Then I plug it in to charger. Its been charging over 8 hours and still not at 100 percent. took it off charge at 80 percent. No way it should take this long. I read on reviews it took like 4 to 5 hours.
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You used the charger that it came with? And you're not playing games the entire time it's charging, right?
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You used the charger that it came with? And you're not playing games the entire time it's charging, right?
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yes I use charger that came with it. and it was charging over night when I was sleeping.
That sounds really odd. What does the battery usage say for the device? Was it awake the whole time? Does it think it was charging all night?
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I feel like that has happened on my nexus 7 before. I bet it is an android thing. I would try again and see if it acts up a second time.
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That sounds really odd. What does the battery usage say for the device? Was it awake the whole time? Does it think it was charging all night?
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when I was charging, i close the screen. so it went to sleep. I dont know how you can tell if it think it was charging all night. I went to battery info and its said 13.6 hours on battery. and 48 percent of that was screen usage. rest was on game and apps.
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when I was charging, i close the screen. so it went to sleep. I dont know how you can tell if it think it was charging all night. I went to battery info and its said 13.6 hours on battery. and 48 percent of that was screen usage. rest was on game and apps.
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If you go into the "Battery Info" and touch on the graph area, it'll show you below some bars of time spent on different functions (like charging)
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when I was charging, i close the screen. so it went to sleep. I dont know how you can tell if it think it was charging all night. I went to battery info and its said 13.6 hours on battery. and 48 percent of that was screen usage. rest was on game and apps.
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1. Sometimes the battery indicator on Android can take a while to figure out your battery. It might drop 5 percent in ten minutes then take an hour to drop 5 more.
2. The vent area on my Shield seems warmer than the surrounding plastic even when in sleep for a while, so it may be drawing more power than is charging. Just try turning it off and charging it.
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1. Sometimes the battery indicator on Android can take a while to figure out your battery. It might drop 5 percent in ten minutes then take an hour to drop 5 more.
2. The vent area on my Shield seems warmer than the surrounding plastic even when in sleep for a while, so it may be drawing more power than is charging. Just try turning it off and charging it.
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Which vent area? Front or back? Because batteries do warm up when you charge them, and those are some big batteries (and a full 2 amp charge)
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Which vent area? Front or back?
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The smooth part on the bottom back with the model number, FCC, etc. And it's not when I'm charging but when the lid is closed. If I manually power it down then the warm goes away.
i never recommend running your device down when it comes straight out the box. usually i tell people to just fully charge the device first before running it dry therefore it can register the full battery, personally i would not leave a device connected over night just for the simple fact that it can be one in a million that the device might get screwed over a long period of time.
it be nice to know if the problem is fixed or not and what you did just in case others run into this same problem.
ive had no charging issues yet. batts do tend to get nice and warm tho.
but for what its worth i just noticed that im still getting notification sounds from my Shield even tho the lid is closed. so maybe its some kind of hybrid sleep and if you have some rogue app pulling a ton of CPU cycles & its not going into full sleep so its taking longer to charge?
just some food for thought on your issue
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ive had no charging issues yet. batts do tend to get nice and warm tho.
but for what its worth i just noticed that im still getting notification sounds from my Shield even tho the lid is closed. so maybe its some kind of hybrid sleep and if you have some rogue app pulling a ton of CPU cycles & its not going into full sleep so its taking longer to charge?
just some food for thought on your issue
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Like most Android devices, the device goes to "sleep". Unless you power it off, it still handles notifications, and it still talks on WiFi. But it should consume very little power.
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i never recommend running your device down when it comes straight out the box. usually i tell people to just fully charge the device first before running it dry therefore it can register the full battery, personally i would not leave a device connected over night just for the simple fact that it can be one in a million that the device might get screwed over a long period of time.
it be nice to know if the problem is fixed or not and what you did just in case others run into this same problem.
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Modern devices use LiPi or Li-ion batteries, these explode when overcharged (seriously, youtube search overcharge lipo). As a result all devices sold with this kind of battery have charge monitoring tools and will disconnect the battery from the charging circuit when full, also they should then run purely from the mains power when the battery is full rather than running on the battery again (they don't like the repeat connect/disconnect effect that would lead to). End result, can't overcharge it.
The heat on mains power tends to be from the voltage regulator. These devices don't run on 5V power like comes from the charger. They tend to use a combo of switch mode and linear regulators to drop the 5V to 3.3V for the CPU and peripherals (3.3 is most common at any rate). Linear regulators in particular get quite warm. Switch mode regulators don't get so warm but don't give a clean output the CPU will run nicely on, they have the odd drop or spike which would either reset or fry the CPU, so generally what happens is the switch mode reg drops a large chunk of the voltage and then feeds it into a linear reg to drop the rest of the way (*the less voltage a linear reg has to drop the less heat it produces). From 5V to 3.3V it is most likely going to be purely a linear regulator, with the CPU and screen drawing at least 1A of current and a 1.7V drop that would equate to 1.7W of heat produced, not much, but enough that if you were to put your finger on the bare regulator chip it would come away red, hold it there long enough and it would be somewhat like those competitions kids have over who can keep their hand on the hot radiator longest That is the main reason they will get hot.
The batteries in these devices are usually 3.7V, that would need a separate regulator from above, and another regulator would still be needed to go from 3.7 > 3.3. 3.7>3.3 would not get so warm. 5>3.7 would still be warm as above.
Never fully drain a LiPo. Gets too low and you damage the cell ir-repairably. When the device claims it is at 0% charge and shuts off is usually closer to 10-20% charge. But that is still considered too low by some people. General advice if you want to prolong the lifetime of your battery is to turn the device off and charge it when it reports somewhere around 5-10% charge.
Batteries do get warm while charging. But my bet is that the voltage regulators would be far more significant heat producers.
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Like most Android devices, the device goes to "sleep". Unless you power it off, it still handles notifications, and it still talks on WiFi. But it should consume very little power.
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good to know. :good: i didnt think closing the lid was the same as pushing the power button on my phone to turn the screen off.
but the OP's problems still might be "sleep" related.
prime example my SGS3 batt life started to tank after the 1st VZW JB update. it took twice as long to charge & would never "sleep" (cuz of the OS not a app) but since the Tegra 4 is a much higher profile chip it could suck a bit more juice if its not being aloud to fully sleep, for whatever reason.
like you said tho, looking at the battery stats could easily tell us if this is the issue.
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Modern devices use LiPi or Li-ion batteries, these explode when overcharged (seriously, youtube search overcharge lipo). As a result all devices sold with this kind of battery have charge monitoring tools and will disconnect the battery from the charging circuit when full, also they should then run purely from the mains power when the battery is full rather than running on the battery again (they don't like the repeat connect/disconnect effect that would lead to). End result, can't overcharge it.
The heat on mains power tends to be from the voltage regulator. These devices don't run on 5V power like comes from the charger. They tend to use a combo of switch mode and linear regulators to drop the 5V to 3.3V for the CPU and peripherals (3.3 is most common at any rate). Linear regulators in particular get quite warm. Switch mode regulators don't get so warm but don't give a clean output the CPU will run nicely on, they have the odd drop or spike which would either reset or fry the CPU, so generally what happens is the switch mode reg drops a large chunk of the voltage and then feeds it into a linear reg to drop the rest of the way (*the less voltage a linear reg has to drop the less heat it produces). From 5V to 3.3V it is most likely going to be purely a linear regulator, with the CPU and screen drawing at least 1A of current and a 1.7V drop that would equate to 1.7W of heat produced, not much, but enough that if you were to put your finger on the bare regulator chip it would come away red, hold it there long enough and it would be somewhat like those competitions kids have over who can keep their hand on the hot radiator longest That is the main reason they will get hot.
The batteries in these devices are usually 3.7V, that would need a separate regulator from above, and another regulator would still be needed to go from 3.7 > 3.3. 3.7>3.3 would not get so warm. 5>3.7 would still be warm as above.
Never fully drain a LiPo. Gets too low and you damage the cell ir-repairably. When the device claims it is at 0% charge and shuts off is usually closer to 10-20% charge. But that is still considered too low by some people. General advice if you want to prolong the lifetime of your battery is to turn the device off and charge it when it reports somewhere around 5-10% charge.
Batteries do get warm while charging. But my bet is that the voltage regulators would be far more significant heat producers.
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yes while all this your saying is true i still wont risk it. i say this from experience had a note 10.1 and would leave it over night charging and sure enough it ended up screwing up. might of been there was something wrong with the device itself but still. good post on your behalf though :laugh:
but still im paranoid and prefer to just disconnect once its charge it wont hurt
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yes while all this your saying is true i still wont risk it. i say this from experience had a note 10.1 and would leave it over night charging and sure enough it ended up screwing up. might of been there was something wrong with the device itself but still. good post on your behalf though :laugh:
but still im paranoid and prefer to just disconnect once its charge it wont hurt
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I tend to go into way too much detail sometimes :/
Disconnecting can't harm it at least if that's what you prefer.
As for info source. Quite into electronics and robotics, intact the shield would make a good controller for robotics purposes
well i did my second charge last night. and this time much faster, about 5 hours to 100 percent. guess i dont have a problem after all. dont know what happen the first time.
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I tend to go into way too much detail sometimes :/
Disconnecting can't harm it at least if that's what you prefer.
As for info source. Quite into electronics and robotics, intact the shield would make a good controller for robotics purposes
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no worries lol i tend to get spaced out at times and go into details does not hurt to enlighten people :good:
Nothing on this came up for the note 10.1 specifically. I use an 8013 with Gnabo v8 KitKat installed.
When my N8013 reaches full charge, I get a message telling me to unplug it. Why ? (Is this just a stupid message or is there really a reason?)
If I am not going to be using the tablet, are there any differences (in battery life, recharge numbers, etc)
caused by keeping the charger on or not?
I have seen many opinions on L-I batteries in general, but nothing specific to the SAMSUNG charger and note 10.1 (2012).
I am looking for something beyond "I do this" or "I believe."
Anybody out there have some tech knowledge on this ??
Many thanks.
I know on my 8013 with the old bootloader and Kit Kat it will not charge powered off and often acts funny while charging anyway. I personally cycle my batteries on all devices from full to empty and have not had any battery replacement problems..
the last time I attempted to leave one plugged in all the time was a cheaper phone a couple of years ago and the battery swelled up and almost exploded. Besides the normal dangers of just having a plug in hanging out of your device all the time could wear out your socket. I like my device too much to leave it plugged in all the time and take a risk. & I do believe it would be a risk IMO.
now I use a kernel and it allows modification of charging amperage and that may help to lower that for constant plugin and I would feel safe when I have my tablet in my vehicle and plugged in to a low or trickle charger on a mount and leaving it constant. But personally under normal use and not dash mounted I would never consider leaving it plugged in constant. You should try it and report back any hardware damages jk. I have not read of any..
and you're just asking besides like the common sense things ?like saving energy ?, or reduceing heat passing through your charger and device, because of constant electricity flow, remember the more heat you are causing in piece of equipment the more damage and wear and less overall time you get out of that device whether it be a charger, battery, circuit board etc.
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I know on my 8013 with the old bootloader and Kit Kat it will not charge powered off (mine charges) and often acts funny while charging anyway. I personally cycle my batteries on all devices from full to empty and have not had any battery replacement problems..
the last time I attempted to leave one plugged in all the time was a cheaper phone a couple of years ago and the battery swelled up and almost exploded. Besides the normal dangers of just having a plug in hanging out of your device all the time could wear out your socket. I like my device too much to leave it plugged in all the time and take a risk. & I do believe it would be a risk IMO. (Does the oem charger have overcharge protection? Will the 8013 stop charging when 100% - these are the big questions.)
now I use a kernel and it allows modification of charging amperage and that may help to lower that for constant plugin and I would feel safe when I have my tablet in my vehicle and plugged in to a low or trickle charger on a mount and leaving it constant. But personally under normal use and not dash mounted I would never consider leaving it plugged in constant. You should try it and report back any hardware damages jk. I have not read of any..
and you're just asking besides like the common sense things ?like saving energy ? (If it stops charging on full charge - there is no energy waste), or reduceing heat passing through your charger and device, because of constant electricity flow, remember the more heat you are causing in piece of equipment the more damage and wear and less overall time you get out of that device whether it be a charger, battery, circuit board etc.
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Thanks for opinion.
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Thanks for opinion.
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well of course they are designed to stop charging when they are 100%. the real question is how far down will it allows to discharge before it starts charging again? My experience is almost none ...you'll never see it leave a hundred percent. so basically you're charging all the time and cycling the charger unit . you have also modified your device and even unmodified ones there are no guarantees such as life. And anything plugged into a plugin is using some amount of current. And I have burned up several chargers through many devices by leaving them plugged in to the devices for extended periods of time while in use.I can say for certain leaving them plugged in constantly you are going to be buying chargers at the very minimum.
for me if Samsung is asking me to do this it is because they have it designed into their product for longevity reasons. They have millions upon millions of hours invested into wear dating these products used in a specific manner Who am I to try to reengineer the wheel. to me it's not even an arguable discussion do what's your opinion wishes you to do. Again I'm sure they know more than you..about what's best for their devices. For if longevity only.
I'm sure if you needed a detailed analysis of what's going on with your hardware when you're plugged in maybe Samsung technical hotline could be assistance to you. Seems to be more of a hardware engineer question to me..imo
of course with root privileges you can pretty much set up any charge schedule you would like to do as far as when to begin charging when to shut off charging screen off screen on etc and how much amperage you wished to consistently charge..
so basically if you are going to use the device against the design. (portable) then you should probably set up your own charging parameters and behaviors. To extend your device life. For example when I have mine in dock position in my vehicle .it is set to only charge 1 amp from charger key on power only and screen on while charging . And this allows my device to cycle on the battery when vehicle is not running. Reduces heat in my unit. and does not burn up my chargers
Since you already know that Pixel 4a supports 18W charging through USB C-C using USB-PD. Is it possible to charge the device a bit more slowly to keep the battery cool and possibly increase its life span?
A simple Google search showed that by using USB A-C cable, it won't be doing USB-PD quick charging instead it will charge using USB-BC (Battery Charging, a legacy standard) which will limit the power at around 7W.
By attaching USB-C end of the quick switch adapter(OTG) that came with the device to power adapter and connecting its other end (USB-A) to the device itself by running a USB A-C cable in between. Will this make the device charge slowly? Can anyone test this?
To find out for sure how much current is being used to charge your phone, you should install an app like this:
Ampere - Apps on Google Play
Measure the charging and discharging current of your battery.
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To find out for sure how much current is being used to charge your phone, you should install an app like this:
Ampere - Apps on Google Play
Measure the charging and discharging current of your battery.
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question is on how to slow charge the device
Well, just get a 1amp charger or use a non-quick charge cable.
The problem is that you won't know if an amazon description for a cable is accurate or not.
So, the way to make sure it is charging slow, is to use the app I mentioned.
I charge my pixel 4a with a 350 mah charger (it is an old Motorola charger in micro usb, i just put à micro usb to usb c little gizmo).
It is around 1,5 w and charge my pixel 4a in around 10 hours , if the pixel is completly empty. You can also use a 5w charger with a usb a usb c câble, it will be faster but warmer
Any brick or cable that doesn't support that protocol or can't supply enough amps will cause the power controller to default to slow charging.
Most fast charging capable phones also have a software option to disable fast charging regardless of the brick/cable's rating.
The real trick is getting it to fast charge when you want it to
My goal was to charge my pixel 4a during the night with the slowest method to keep my battery as Healthy as possible. The 350mah just give me that. ( i keep my phone four to five years so i Try to take care of my battery)
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My goal was to charge my pixel 4a during the night with the slowest method to keep my battery as Healthy as possible. The 350mah just give me that. ( i keep my phone four to five years so i Try to take care of my battery)
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Don't let it drop below 40% or charge beyond 72% in that case.
At some point it's just easier to replace the battery though
blackhawk said:
Don't let it drop below 40% or charge beyond 72% in that case.
At some point it's just easier to replace the battery though
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This seems more an urban legend this 40 72%, the charging processor take care of that For you.
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This seems more an urban legend this 40 72%, the charging processor take care of that For you.
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Li's prefer midrange usage with frequent partial charges. Cuts down the heat and the high cell voltage that degrades them faster. Degrades them only a fraction of a full charge cycle. Longer lifespan and less time charging for the same amount of mAh. Win-win.
Even today many confuse their requirements with NiCads Thinking they should fully charge/discharge them. Trying to convince some them otherwise is like talking an alcoholic out of drinking booze. "I've always done it that way..."
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but if someone who follows this 40-80 rule, how to reset battery stats?
Can it be done using ADB command?
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but if someone who follows this 40-80 rule, how to reset battery stats?
Can it be done using ADB command?
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I really don't use those stats at all. More Google hype that never proved all that useful for me.
I use Galaxy Labs Battery Tracker, the history log* of Accubattery as well as karma Firewall logs to track usage.
Occasionally you may want to do a calibration too as the % accuracy will drift over time.
*as long as my usage stays at >10%@ hour SOT, I'm not very concerned
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I really don't use those stats at all. More Google hype that never proved all that useful for me.
I use Galaxy Labs Battery Tracker, the history log* of Accubattery as well as karma Firewall logs to track usage.
Occasionally you may want to do a calibration too as the % accuracy will drift over time.
*as long as my usage stays at >10%@ hour SOT, I'm not very concerned
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and by calibration, do you mean drain to 0 and charge to 100 every once in a while?
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and by calibration, do you mean drain to 0 and charge to 100 every once in a while?
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Yeah, which I don't like doing. If falls way out of calibration you'll think you're at 20% when in fact you're at 7% for example.
Many say to repeat the calibration cycle 2 or 3 times for it to take.
If the battery has failed this can be a dangerous procedure. How do I know? Just had a battery failure but because of the case didn't see the back cover bulging. All the while I was happily torturing the bad cell for over a month begging it to do its worse
I was fortunate it didn't damage the display of my Note 10+ or worse.
If you encounter erratic fast charging, reduced battery capacity always suspect a battery failure and look for the telltale back cover bulge. These bag Li's can fail at any time especially as they get older.
BTW, people who are reading this, you can charge your 4a at 7.5W (5V*1.5A) using OTG adapter plugged into the charger and a USB A-C cable. The temp. increase of battery is way less than full fast charge of 18W.
ashutoshmn said:
BTW, people who are reading this, you can charge your 4a at 7.5W (5V*1.5A) using OTG adapter plugged into the charger and a USB A-C cable. The temp. increase of battery is way less than full fast charge of 18W.
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Also bare in mind that even when slow charging you never want the Li cell temp below 72°F, but 82F is a better bottom threshold temperature.
Li plating* can result from cold or hot (>100F) charging regardless of charging rate.
NEVER EVER attempt to charge an Li in near freezing temperatures*
*this can lead to a thermal runaway event
blackhawk said:
Also bare in mind that even when slow charging you never want the Li cell temp below 72°F, but 82F is a better bottom threshold temperature.
Li plating* can result from cold or hot (>100F) charging regardless of charging rate.
NEVER EVER attempt to charge an Li in near freezing temperatures*
*this can lead to a thermal runaway event
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Billions of Li devices in service around the globe. If this was a 'thing' manufactures would prevent charging at low temps. Not debating the wisdom or detremental effects on longevity of charging at low/high temps. No need to season the spew with faux drama.
DB126 said:
Billions of Li devices in service around the globe. If this was a 'thing' manufactures would prevent charging at low temps. Not debating the wisdom or detremental effects on longevity of charging at low/high temps. No need to season the spew with faux drama.
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Do what you want... and you're own research*.
You offer zero good advice and a half mass flame attempt.
Lead me, follow me or get the hell out of my way.
*https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...of the internal,also affect the battery power.
Temperatures I suggested are for optimum performance/longevity with minimum chance of Li plating from multiple sources. They are very conservative.
I just had a battery failure on my Note 10+ that started by slow charging it to 100% at about 45-50°F. Boom, just like that. Took over a month to realize what had happened but that's what started the whole mess. I was fortunate the swollen battery didn't damage my display.
Oy vey - self-designated expert in a box with a short fuse. Happy Mother's day, champ.
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Oy vey - self-designated expert in a box with a short fuse. Happy Mother's day, champ.
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WYSIWYU... call it like I see it.
Mum's been dead for decades.
Hope your's is not... spend some time with her.
You only get one.