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[Q] Android 4.4 Hangouts SMS issue

Hi there,
My first post here, although I've hung out, anonymously, looking at the resources within the forum.
Today I received my Nexus 5. It's a lovely bit of hardware, but I've come from an HTC phone (4.1.1 Desire X) and I love the Sense UI; just so you know, I hate stock 4.4 thus my post below is in utter exasperation
I'm having an issue with trying to send an SMS. Unfortunately, I have to use Hangouts (I refused to update from Google Talk on the Desire X) and I'm finding that I can't sending a frigging SMS to a colleague at work because I have his Gmail email address as part of his contact details!!!
This is absolutely the most retarded thing in a Phone OS that I have come across, ever. Unfortunately, as an early adopter of this phone, I'm stuck without an alternative. So far as I can see, in Hangouts, I would have to type in the phone number manually whilst being logged out of my Gmail accounts in Hangouts to send an SMS, or maybe deleting the user's email address would suffice.
Am I missing some way of sending an SMS that's not completely obvious here?

My N5 arrives tomorrow, so I can't be much help with the app itself, but if it's really confusing/awful you can download an alternative SMS app from the play store and set it as your default.
Edit: I hear you on hating hangouts. I cant stand the version they have on 4.0/4.1/4.2/4.3, been sticking with talk also.

I don't have it in my hands yet to test, but I'm fairly sure once you've opened the "new hangout" window, you can tap on their name on the upper left and switch to SMS from Hangout message.

two00lbwaster said:
Hi there,
My first post here, although I've hung out, anonymously, looking at the resources within the forum.
Today I received my Nexus 5. It's a lovely bit of hardware, but I've come from an HTC phone (4.1.1 Desire X) and I love the Sense UI; just so you know, I hate stock 4.4 thus my post below is in utter exasperation
I'm having an issue with trying to send an SMS. Unfortunately, I have to use Hangouts (I refused to update from Google Talk on the Desire X) and I'm finding that I can't sending a frigging SMS to a colleague at work because I have his Gmail email address as part of his contact details!!!
This is absolutely the most retarded thing in a Phone OS that I have come across, ever. Unfortunately, as an early adopter of this phone, I'm stuck without an alternative. So far as I can see, in Hangouts, I would have to type in the phone number manually whilst being logged out of my Gmail accounts in Hangouts to send an SMS, or maybe deleting the user's email address would suffice.
Am I missing some way of sending an SMS that's not completely obvious here?
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This app simply uses the word "Hangouts" over "SMS" so basically new hangout means new text message unless you specify a hangout chat. If the actual hangouts for either is unavailable then a text message will be automatically sent to the number. New "SMS" is the plus button and you can immediately type the number or scroll to find your contact. Everything after seems to work just like iMessage.

koriflame said:
My N5 arrives tomorrow, so I can't be much help with the app itself, but if it's really confusing/awful you can download an alternative SMS app from the play store and set it as your default.
Edit: I hear you on hating hangouts. I cant stand the version they have on 4.0/4.1/4.2/4.3, been sticking with talk also.
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Seems to be the downside of having the device nice and early, noone else has one to confirm the issue.
Unfortunately, the other apps don't seem to work as they have to be rebuilt due to the changes that 4.4 has introduced

two00lbwaster said:
Seems to be the downside of having the device nice and early, noone else has one to confirm the issue.
Unfortunately, the other apps don't seem to work as they have to be rebuilt due to the changes that 4.4 has introduced
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I'm not sure what problem you are having. I just got my N5 today and when I create a new message in Hangouts and choose a contact (one that has a gmail.com email address as well as a cell number) I have the choice between starting a chat or sending an SMS to the phone number. Do you not see this?

Vincent Law said:
I don't have it in my hands yet to test, but I'm fairly sure once you've opened the "new hangout" window, you can tap on their name on the upper left and switch to SMS from Hangout message.
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I'll have a look to see if that works.
KinghtMare. said:
This app simply uses the word "Hangouts" over "SMS" so basically new hangout means new text message unless you specify a hangout chat. If the actual hangouts for either is unavailable then a text message will be automatically sent to the number. New "SMS" is the plus button and you can immediately type the number or scroll to find your contact. Everything after seems to work just like iMessage.
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I've never had an iPhone, which I'm guessing from the name is where that messaging application comes from. I tried to send a message to a collegue, and it sent it as a hangout, not an SMS. There is no option not to send it as an hangout, any more so than there is an option to send the message as a hangout, so I can't send him text messages.

davekr said:
I'm not sure what problem you are having. I just got my N5 today and when I create a new message in Hangouts and choose a contact (one that has a gmail.com email address as well as a cell number) I have the choice between starting a chat or sending an SMS to the phone number. Do you not see this?
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Okay, yes, if I type in the person's name I now see several entries for the person, one is the Hangouts account which is top and the other is for SMS.
However, if I scroll down and select the person as I was doing originally, even though it says his phone number, it defaults to hangouts and you can't change it.
I don't have particularly many people in my contacts list so I prefer to scroll and select, as it's probably quicker for me, rather than type into the search box.

you need to verify your phone number before being able to use it for sms
hit the plus button and add a contact...then select the contact's name from the top of the screen (next to the green handouts icon), and choose their phone number instead of their email address
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n7of9 said:
you need to verify your phone number before being able to use it for sms
hit the plus button and add a contact...then select the contact's name from the top of the screen (next to the green handouts icon), and choose their phone number instead of their email address
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Quite aside from not wishing to verify my number with Google, I shouldn't have to. SMS should be completely devoid of this kind of requirement as it is very basic mobile phone functionality.
I have spent quite some considerable time today turning off location services and and any data sent back to Google. I've also been disabling certain Google Apps and would disable more if it would let me. I've also found that App Ops seems to have been disabled too, so I can't even control what third party apps do; which was part of the reason for getting a 4.3+ phone.
At the moment, it seems that I can send messages, and hopefully something like Contacts+ will be updated to work with 4.4 and I can then disable Hangouts.

you can disable hangouts now, you just need to install an alternative sms app if you don't like the default...try Handcent
and don't be angry when someone is trying to help you
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It's not hangout it's u
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digweed4me said:
It's not hangout it's u
If u don't know how to use hangout tell google to put out I message crap on your nexus 5
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two00lbwaster said:
Quite aside from not wishing to verify my number with Google, I shouldn't have to. SMS should be completely devoid of this kind of requirement as it is very basic mobile phone functionality.
I have spent quite some considerable time today turning off location services and and any data sent back to Google. I've also been disabling certain Google Apps and would disable more if it would let me. I've also found that App Ops seems to have been disabled too, so I can't even control what third party apps do; which was part of the reason for getting a 4.3+ phone.
At the moment, it seems that I can send messages, and hopefully something like Contacts+ will be updated to work with 4.4 and I can then disable Hangouts.
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So install your own SMS app...4.4 allows you to use any SMS app as the default App, and then you can even uninstall Hangouts if you want to.
That's the beauty of a Nexus device.

n7of9 said:
you can disable hangouts now, you just need to install an alternative sms app if you don't like the default...try Handcent
and don't be angry when someone is trying to help you
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Sorry, I'm just angry that Google have just foisted the Hangouts app onto 4.4 users when it clearly isn't user friendly enough and makes one of my most common uses of the phone difficult.
I'll try Handcent. Contacts+/Messages+ doesn't currently seem to support 4.4 as you can't set it as the default messaging application and you can't send outgoing messages (It looks like you can send messages but they just disappear and aren't sent.)
hotleadsingerguy said:
So install your own SMS app...4.4 allows you to use any SMS app as the default App, and then you can even uninstall Hangouts if you want to.
That's the beauty of a Nexus device.
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The issue that I'm having is that not a lot of messaging applications support 4.4 yet. And as I've found with Messages+ if it doesn't support it you can have issues with messages that don't send/disappear.
You can uninstall Hangouts updates, you can't uninstall it. And if you uninstall the updates, you can't disable it.

Sliding messaging was updated to be compatible with 4.4, you can try it out
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I'm with the OP on this, I received my N5 today and it's almost impossible to start a new SMS conversation from within the app.
The app itelf is quite nice, but the SMS experience is sub-standard to say the least. I know I can go install another SMS app - but that's not the point, it's like shipping the phone/software with no dialer in it.

Scottland said:
I'm with the OP on this, I received my N5 today and it's almost impossible to start a new SMS conversation from within the app.
The app itelf is quite nice, but the SMS experience is sub-standard to say the least. I know I can go install another SMS app - but that's not the point, it's like shipping the phone/software with no dialer in it.
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I must be a brain scientist or a rocket surgeon or something... all I had to do to create to new SMS was click the "+" then start typing my contact's name or number. If my contact has a phone number associated with it I can select that for an SMS or their email for a hangout message......

Im confused and whether i understand your question properly. Anyways in the actual recipients message you can click their name and switch from a SMS conversation to a google talk/hangouts message. Not sure if that helped or not. You can more clearly see what i am talking about in this video. http://youtu.be/0ZFc3NFqfFk

BmoreTHOR said:
I must be a brain scientist or a rocket surgeon or something... all I had to do to create to new SMS was click the "+" then start typing my contact's name or number. If my contact has a phone number associated with it I can select that for an SMS or their email for a hangout message......
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You must be
I've just tried to send an SMS to my mum, on her contact card she has a mobile number and email address. When I try to send a message, at the top I only have "Hangouts" as an option.
If I try another contact (who does have a G+ account), I have the option of SMS or Hangouts.

I also discovered Now SMS recently... Very nice looking simple UI that fits with recent Android conventions. Using it on my Nexus 7 3G since it didn't come with any SMS client.
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4.4.2 using messaging when it's not default sms app

Pretty much title. I am using Textsecure but my wife's phone has issues accepting picture messages through textsecure while it's encrypted so I was going to send pictures via messaging but even adjusting the app ops settings messaging is still saying it's not allowed because it's not the default sms app. Anyway around this?

Veight said:
Pretty much title. I am using Textsecure but my wife's phone has issues accepting picture messages through textsecure while it's encrypted so I was going to send pictures via messaging but even adjusting the app ops settings messaging is still saying it's not allowed because it's not the default sms app. Anyway around this?
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what device do you own? on my moto x i am able to go to settings, from there go to the "More" option right under data usage and try seeing if there is a option to change the Default SMS app, should be 2nd option. if you need any more help ill be more than happy to help you out!

Trozzul said:
what device do you own? on my moto x i am able to go to settings, from there go to the "More" option right under data usage and try seeing if there is a option to change the Default SMS app, should be 2nd option. if you need any more help ill be more than happy to help you out!
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Thanks, but what I was looking for is a way to send messages with Messaging when it's NOT the Default SMS app. I want all of my texts going in to Textsecure and be able to send pictures with Messaging. But when Messaging isn't the Default SMS app, it doesn't allow you to send messages. Even if I give it permission in App Ops. :\

Veight said:
Thanks, but what I was looking for is a way to send messages with Messaging when it's NOT the Default SMS app. I want all of my texts going in to Textsecure and be able to send pictures with Messaging. But when Messaging isn't the Default SMS app, it doesn't allow you to send messages. Even if I give it permission in App Ops. :\
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not sure if you can use the two at the same time then.

Trozzul said:
not sure if you can use the two at the same time then.
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Nope. You can only use 1 at a time.

[Q] How to view blocked sms on opo cm11

I would like to view the blocked sms, Is there any method to restore it back to messaging inbox? Or it was straight away deleted upon receiving the message from blocked phone number?

Unblock them and you should be able to see them. Depends on your SMS blocking method as well.

zephiK said:
Unblock them and you should be able to see them. Depends on your SMS blocking method as well.
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I am using cm11 built in function. I unblocked it already. However, the blocked messages were not restored by cm11

markjue said:
I am using cm11 built in function. I unblocked it already. However, the blocked messages were not restored by cm11
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Hmm... if you use a texting app such as ChompSMS (or any others) that have the blacklisting feature. i know on chompSMS when you add someone to the blacklist, and when you remove them... the text message will reappear as well as the messages they've sent to you before blocking. It could possibly be a limitation of the blacklist feature built into CM?

zephiK said:
Hmm... if you use a texting app such as ChompSMS (or any others) that have the blacklisting feature. i know on chompSMS when you add someone to the blacklist, and when you remove them... the text message will reappear as well as the messages they've sent to you before blocking. It could possibly be a limitation of the blacklist feature built into CM?
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I think so, I looked around and found some people suffered the same problem. However, no one answered them. I hope CM team should implement this feature. "View blocked Messages" :good:

SMS sent via Google Voice are not logged to any SMS app

Aussie user on --> MHA-L29C636B158 here and I've currently got a case going with Huawei for an issue where SMS's sent via Google Voice are not logged to any SMS app. They send successfully but there's no trace of them in Huawei Messaging app or any SMS app.
Have confirmation from another Aus user on same firmware that they have the issue. Wondering if it's a problem on other variants? Can't seem to find the issue mentioned in any posts here on XDA.
Cheers all

hoboonthegogo said:
Aussie user on --> MHA-L29C636B158 here and I've currently got a case going with Huawei for an issue where SMS's sent via Google Voice are not logged to any SMS app. They send successfully but there's no trace of them in Huawei Messaging app or any SMS app.
Have confirmation from another Aus user on same firmware that they have the issue. Wondering if it's a problem on other variants? Can't seem to find the issue mentioned in any posts here on XDA.
Cheers all
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To send SMS with GV u either have to use the Google voice app or hangouts. Which one are u using? What do u mean logged? U mean once u hit send it sends but doesn't show in the app?

aknotts415 said:
To send SMS with GV u either have to use the Google voice app or hangouts. Which one are u using? What do u mean logged? U mean once u hit send it sends but doesn't show in the app?
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Yep, the latter. Using Google voice and then voice command "sms contact_name".
Once you've told Google Voice to send the SMS it has indeed been sent successfully but that particular message doesn't exist in any SMS messaging app. Go to Huawei Messaging or any other SMS app such as Android Messages you have installed and the GV sent SMS doesn't exist...

i thought i was the only one
drove me nuts so i uninstalled google now. lol

virtyx said:
i thought i was the only one
drove me nuts so i uninstalled google now. lol
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Thanks virtyx. Did uninstall/re-install fix the issue? What firmware r u on? I send and receive sms's from the car a fair bit with Google voice so it's a bit annoying to have no record of sent sms's done with GV. Apart from this am loving the phone Cheers

hoboonthegogo said:
Thanks virtyx. Did uninstall/re-install fix the issue? What firmware r u on? I send and receive sms's from the car a fair bit with Google voice so it's a bit annoying to have no record of sent sms's done with GV. Apart from this am loving the phone Cheers
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I'm on stock c636b172
I didn't reinstall don't really need it.
I just use the voice icon in my messaging app to send it, works that way.

virtyx said:
I'm on stock c636b172
I didn't reinstall don't really need it.
I just use the voice icon in my messaging app to send it, works that way.
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Yep righto. Guess I shouldn't be too excited about B172 possibly fixing the issue then! (which I'm hoping to get OTA soon).
If anyone else can comment on if they've seen this issue (or do a quick sms via GV for me to test it) it'd help me hugely with my case with Huawei which is currently moving at a snails pace... Twice already I thought I'd gotten through level 1 but it seems that's where it's still at...
Cheers

Going insane. Please help Google assistant and SMS!

When I use Google assistant to send a message it randomly doesn't record the message in the text app. The recipient receives it ok but it doesn't show up.
I've tried about 10 other SMS apps they're the same.
Is there a problem with Huaweis app that Google assistant can't access? Any help please?

applehater00 said:
When I use Google assistant to send a message it randomly doesn't record the message in the text app. The recipient receives it ok but it doesn't show up.
I've tried about 10 other SMS apps they're the same.
Is there a problem with Huaweis app that Google assistant can't access? Any help please?
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Not sure.. but with all Google apps I give them full control/permission and allow secondary launch etc.
Give that a try
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Permissions are all granted. What do you mean secondary launch? You mean try a different launcher?

Hello
do you mean that during recording the text doesn't show up , but once you leave the record button it goes to the recipient instantly without the ability to check it or what ? a pic might help as i didn't understand much

-Hope- said:
Hello
do you mean that during recording the text doesn't show up , but once you leave the record button it goes to the recipient instantly without the ability to check it or what ? a pic might help as i didn't understand much
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Ah ok no it's simpler than that. Speech to text etc works fine.
The outgoing message does not appear in the messages or text app. For some reason Google assistant understands the speech and sends the text, but doesn't communicate with the SMS app to say "this is what I just sent so stick it in the convo list". Seems to bypass the SMS app and I've tried about10 of them now. Same problem each time.
I think it's confirmijg what I always thought i.e. android is a perpetually buggy unfinished system!

Hello again
-not sure - maybe these command may work
“Show me my messages”
also why not trying to check the messages with Hangouts that may help

Appreciate you trying to help.
The issue is that the outgoing messages don't show up at all when done from GA. In any app. Show me my messages whilst it might work is not an adequate solution as I shouldn't have to speak that into GA to see my full convos. That's what the apps are for.
BUT your suggestion was brilliant because I tried that and it shows received messages only (which isn't the issue).
So then I tried to say "show me my SENT messages" and surprisingly it did manage to show just the messages I'd sent BUT BIZARRELY IT MISSES OUT ANY MESSAGES SENT BY G.A.. !!????
So in summary it looks as though it sends messages fine but doesn't record it anywhere. When asked to tell me what it has sent it then seems to search the stock apps (that it doesn't communicate TO) and gives me that info only. So even GA doesn't know what it's sent ! Wtf??
(Hangouts doesn't seem to do SMS)

"The Assistant only uses Messenger as the outgoing source for SMS when Hangouts is the default. If you look in messenger you will see the text that you sent through the assistant. It is a bit defeatest from the standpoint of the Fi Hangouts integration and the team is aware."
this is from google forums and yes Hangouts show outgoing msgs

By messenger they mean what? Many apps seem to think they're called messenger.
As for hangouts it does nothing. Showing up only 4 convos and none of them are SMS convos. I've looked and looked and there is no option to integrate SMS into hangouts. I've given it all permissions too.
Are we on the same version of Mate 9 ? Am I missing something?

Open the Hangouts app .
At the top, tap Menu Menu.
Tap Settings and thenSMS and then SMS enabled.
Select the text messaging app you want as the default.
try this

I suspect we have different versions of hangouts. No such options in mine anywhere

``Show me my hangouts sms messages`` may help out a bit
i think also facebook messenger can help as it can read sms check it

-Hope- said:
``Show me my hangouts sms messages`` may help out a bit
i think also facebook messenger can help as it can read sms check it
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nope my hangouts does nothing. doesnt support sms at all
fb messenger is evil, doesn't it drain masses of battery?

please change the message app to what you want to use and try again steps:
in your settings search for Default app settings then, change sms app, i think the default would be hangouts.

-Hope- said:
please change the message app to what you want to use and try again steps:
in your settings search for Default app settings then, change sms app, i think the default would be hangouts.
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Thanks but despite having hangouts installed the only messaging app that comes up as an option is the stock Huawei message app. Hangouts isn't listed. There is also no setting anywhere within hangouts to use SMS. Our versions must be different. I have the latest version.

My bad, hangouts lost the integration long time ago :/
However did you but I want your to check the fb it it can detect the assistant out going messages, or else, if you didn't try Android Messages app please check it might help.

-Hope- said:
My bad, hangouts lost the integration long time ago :/
However did you but I want your to check the fb it it can detect the assistant out going messages, or else, if you didn't try Android Messages app please check it might help.
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I thought the android messenger ap which is the one they want us to use now might work, but it sadly doesn't.
I'll trial it with facebook and let you know soon,
Thanks again for your efforts trying to help me out :good:

I'll try my best

Nope FB messenger doesn't record the outgoing text either. Huge flaw in Google assistant!!

I think they fixed it in latest update