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So having both in my hands now was curious testing performance for quick snaps.
challenged both under artificial 4300kelvin light bulbs ... both in low and high light to check
So its typically challanging the f/2.2 with 1/3" Note3 sensor (Sony Made) vs f/3.1 1/2.3" Zoom sensor (Samsung Made) .. Although the higher count of megapixels on the zoom yeilds to pixel per pixel equal size with the note3 (1.12 microns)
to be fair Both were set to Auto with highest settings possible .. Note3 Smart Stabilization was ON
S4 Zoom was in Auto Mode not Manual (Expert) cause this is a category beyound Smartphone capabilities, Am looking forward to get the S5 Zoom or Galaxy K Zoom Camera hybrid .. it was leaked to have Hexa Processor topped the Antutu Benchmark already in a Slim Profile phone same as the Lumia1020
i found that at 100% picture size the Note3 weirdly has lower noise level or maybe its the higher Contrast algorism the note3 follows.
you can check exif on flickr
now to the photos
Note3 low light
s4 zoom low light
Note 3 low light
s4 zoom l.light
Note3 flash
s4 zoom Xenon
Note3 full darkness with/without flash
s4 zoom full darkness with/without flash
Note3 mixed light
s4 zoom mixed light
Note3 Zoom
s4 zoom zoom (!)
Note3 close up and Bokeh effect
bokeh effect from a distance with 3x zoom
Note3 close up flash
s4 zoom bokeh effect and close ups
bokeh effect with zoom
s4 zoom with flash (washed out)
s4 zoom second trial close up (with zoom) with flash to stop washing out
Now from what i see the zoom got Muscles although the dimmer narrower aperature f/3.1 and despite the same pixel size it manage to get from my point of view a better over all low light pics which the brighter wider aperature f/2.2 of the note3 cant match.
switching to full lights now for further inspections
Note3 full lights
note3 full light flash forced on
s4 zoom full lights
s4 zoom full light flash forced on
Now whats is interesting is when viewing full size and cropping the note3 pics are better ... even with Xenon flash forced on the note3 doesnt fail by wide margin
note3 crop
s4 crop of the same image
note3 crop
s4 zoom crop
crops with flash on in the full darkness pics
note3
s4 zoom crop
note3 crop flash full darkness
s4 zoom flash crop
So what do you think .. ? in my opinion again the quality isn't with a bit wide margin which doesnt justify the thicker chunkier phone if samsung wanna success for the zoom series they must convince people more with a wider margin of pic. quality lets wait and see what S5 zoom brings to the table.
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i could have made it a much much better photos with the zoom playing with shutter time and aperature but that would be beyound my scope of comparison of point and shoot.
To me, it looks like all the colors and clarity turned out much better with the note 3, other than a couple. It could just be me but that's my opinion. Then again, I am not a professional photographer either. Lol
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cj.lyon21 said:
To me, it looks like all the colors and clarity turned out much better with the note 3, other than a couple. It could just be me but that's my opinion. Then again, I am not a professional photographer either. Lol
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Ive alwys wanted to compare s4 zoom shots with my note 3. This is what I have been looking for. Thanks for the review and things like these are what keeps my eye off of the newer phones today.
For me look like note 3 it's better.Good colors.The only photo good with s4 zoom it's only that with the stereo zoomed.But the rest are better colors with note 3.
I seem look like note 3
Note 3 seems far better in overall.
BUT with zoomed pictures s4 zoom is in the lead here.
Yes ... It also adds high contrast values to mask noise
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Hi, quick question here. Since S4 Zoom use Xenon Flash Light, does the video camera setting have "video light" function?
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Hi, quick question here. Since S4 Zoom use Xenon Flash Light, does the video camera setting have "video light" function?
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No it doesnt but its much brighter at night than the note3 due to the much larger sensor 1/2.3" and yes its of much higher value in recording in dark environments as streets pubs cafes and so on ... Am looking forward to swap both with the new galaxy k zoom .. The OIS and Xenon takes magnificent pictures .
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having the chance to play around with both my wife S6 and My S7 .. so for those who are questioning the new s7 sensor quality and how it stacks againest the old trusty s6 , here is what you ask for..,
Pro Mode , fixed parameters on both, sensor upgrade show off .,
both phones upto latest firmware , both are stock, no root, no edit.., straight from the phones.
sure the 16:9 is for the S6e , 4:3 for the S7e
lets start, Pro mode Shutter 0.3sec iso200
https://flic.kr/p/Fc7vYa
https://flic.kr/p/FYctEb
0.3sec iso 400
https://flic.kr/p/FGgeWq
https://flic.kr/p/Fc6JEz
All auto Exposure -1
https://flic.kr/p/FGg8Es
https://flic.kr/p/Fc6FdK
shutter 0.5sec iso 400
https://flic.kr/p/FGg1SE
https://flic.kr/p/G54T4E
shutter 10seconds iso 50
https://flic.kr/p/G55oWA
https://flic.kr/p/FYcex3
All Auto mode
https://flic.kr/p/G1vWe4
https://flic.kr/p/G55dsj
Auto Mode flash on
https://flic.kr/p/G7mNF4
https://flic.kr/p/Fc6T24
what do u think ..
So sad xda doesnt add a preview for urls
I didn't want to server upload to preserve image quality
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Feel free to give us your conclusions and comments.
I can see that although s7 sensor does pull ahead than s6's in almost all except one aspect !
Preferred the noise control of s6 which in my opinion is better than s7
S7 does mostly better though they both perform quite bad in higher ISO despite a slow shutter speed. Noticably the S7 performs really bad with ISO 1250 and 1/4 shutter speed. In lit areas it does better but in low contrast areas it resorts to using to much 'high ISO faking' by tweaking curves creating ugly color and chroma banding. G4 does better at similar ISO/shutter speed. So does the Xperia Z1+ series to name some. They need to be more relaxed with the post-processing. Thanks for comparision.
I am debating whether to upgrade from S5 to the S7. My main reason is that I want to have the best camera in an Android phone. I was searching a lot for camera comparison between the two but I cannot find any reviews. What do you guys think? Is the S7 camera better than S5? Can someone point me to a shootout between the two or side by side picture comparison?
I have folder on computer with pictures, and they are all aranged by mobile phone model ( sgs4,sgs5,lg g3, lgg4, etc etc... ) so i jumped there and took a look at them and one thing is for sure they both got great cameras, but if you're asking is it worth that extra cca 300$ I think not. My connection is very slow to do the comparision photos upload
The S7 is better than the S5 in EVERY aspect lol
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The S7 is better than the S5 in EVERY aspect lol
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I know that. This does not help. I will only upgrade to the S7 if and only if the camera is better. I read in some thread that S7 pictures have less detail than S6, etc. So this means even though the low light performance is better, if daylight pictures lack detail then it is a no go. I can potentially hold off until S8 comes out then.
I've just upgraded from the S5 > S7 so image quality is still fresh in my mind from the S5
IMO the S7 does take better photos, but not such a leap you can really tell, the S5 took stunning photos, really good camera and it took me a while, and a few different scenarios to see the S7 outperform it in terms of photo quality
Close-ups, the S7 is ahead quite noticeably, but for landscape shots, it's a close call
One thing I miss from the S5 is the 16:9 for max photo resolution, with the S7 it is back down to 4:3 for some reason, and for certain shots I've taken, you can see the 4MP loss hit
I took the S7 out to the beach, lots of light, and it took great shots, better than the S5, but I also took shots around the house, out the back etc, and the S5 took better shots
Would I say the S7 camera was a big upgrade from the S5 camera?
No
Would I say the phone itself is a big upgrade from the S5?
Yes
In certain scenarios, the S7 takes the better photo, in others the S5 does
HDR works a lot better on the S7 though, a lot clearer and detailed than the S5 for the same shot, but in terms of quality, they beat and lose to each other in different ways
If you were thinking of upgrading purely on the camera quality, I'd go to a store and take a few snaps with a demo model to see, although you really need to put the photos on a PC to see, phone screens are too small, and the S7 has a higher rez screen than the S5, so not really a fair way to compare photos
Do I regret moving to the S7 due to the camera quality vs the S5?
No
Camera quality is great, but it's not a massive upgrade like I was expecting especially considering it is two models above the S5, and after all the hype about it's camera kicking about online
Besides the actual size(resolution) the S7s sensor is far better.. It doesn't over expose as much as the S5, great deep darks and highlights that pop, no crappy post processing either the S5 always over sharpened everything and it's blues were a little to warm. The S7s dual pixel technology makes pro level focusing easy for anyone. The real gem here is the S7s pro mode.. Once you learn how to use it right you can get as close to a high end DSLR as you ever have been able to on a phone. As a photographer I can say IMHO this is the best camera in a phone period. Just goes to show size doesnt matter guys!
Detection and BruteSource,
Thank you both for the detailed explanation. This is exactly what I am looking for as feedback. I do not like the 4:3 resolution on the S7 indeed. I think I will still shoot in 16:9 which means at the lower megapixel setting of 9.1 M. In this case, I am pretty sure, the S7 would take a 4:3 at higher megapixel and then crop it to 16:9 -- 9.1M (4032*2268, 16:9). This may potentially degrade the quality as well.
If I can sum up what you are saying, it would be that S7 vs S5 image quality would depend on the scenery and one may be better than the other in Auto mode. HDR on S7 is better as it does not overexpose as much. The biggest difference in favor of the S7 is the Pro Mode and the fact that it can shoot RAW. Added benefit is the low-light performance.
So, if I were to upgrade to the S7 (camera) my justification would be:
1. Pro mode (unless there is a preset saving, proly wont use),
2. RAW (may use only on vacations)
3. low light - always useful
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Detection and BruteSource,
Thank you both for the detailed explanation. This is exactly what I am looking for as feedback. I do not like the 4:3 resolution on the S7 indeed. I think I will still shoot in 16:9 which means at the lower megapixel setting of 9.1 M. In this case, I am pretty sure, the S7 would take a 4:3 at higher megapixel and then crop it to 16:9 -- 9.1M (4032*2268, 16:9). This may potentially degrade the quality as well.
If I can sum up what you are saying, it would be that S7 vs S5 image quality would depend on the scenery and one may be better than the other in Auto mode. HDR on S7 is better as it does not overexpose as much. The biggest difference in favor of the S7 is the Pro Mode and the fact that it can shoot RAW. Added benefit is the low-light performance.
So, if I were to upgrade to the S7 (camera) my justification would be:
1. Pro mode (unless there is a preset saving, proly wont use),
2. RAW (may use only on vacations)
3. low light - always useful
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I would add:
1. Pro mode (unless there is a preset saving, proly wont use),
2. RAW (may use only on vacations)
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4. Better photos under certain circumstances, such as bright sunny day, large bright objects such as the beach
5. Better Closeup photos
6. Way faster focussing and camera opening times
It's a great camera don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with it, but it's not the huge jump I was expecting
You wouldn't be disappointed, but it didn't make me look at the S5 photos and laugh as I was led to believe before I bought it
EDIT - You can save Pro mode custom profiles
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This is very helpful! Thank you, Detection. I think should go for it
:good: Enjoy
*Detection* said:
IMO the S7 does take better photos, but not such a leap you can really tell, the S5 took stunning photos, really good camera and it took me a while, and a few different scenarios to see the S7 outperform it in terms of photo quality
Would I say the S7 camera was a big upgrade from the S5 camera?
No
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I beg to differ. The difference is noticeable in both quality and camera performance (lag, low light, focusing, etc.). I am one of those who want quality photos and not just any photos, and for that reason, I used to drag around either Sony RX100 IV in my pocket when going out in the evening, or a tiny shoulder bag with an M43 system in it when going around town (and an EOS system for more serious landscape or nature when I don't mind the weight). In my most recent vacation to the US Virgin Islands, I brought a Panasonic GM-5 with expensive lenses, butI ended up leaving them at the house cause I was confident that I could live with the compromise with the S7. Would I have done that with the S5? No.
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I beg to differ. The difference is noticeable in both quality and camera performance (lag, low light, focusing, etc.). I am one of those who want quality photos and not just any photos, and for that reason, I used to drag around either Sony RX100 IV in my pocket when going out in the evening, or a tiny shoulder bag with an M43 system in it when going around town (and an EOS system for more serious landscape or nature when I don't mind the weight). In my most recent vacation to the US Virgin Islands, I brought a Panasonic GM-5 with expensive lenses, butI ended up leaving them at the house cause I was confident that I could live with the compromise with the S7. Would I have done that with the S5? No.
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Interesting to hear that. Were you also using the Pro mode or stick with Auto and HDR on pretty much all the time (that's what I use now on the S5).
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I beg to differ. The difference is noticeable in both quality and camera performance (lag, low light, focusing, etc.). I am one of those who want quality photos and not just any photos, and for that reason, I used to drag around either Sony RX100 IV in my pocket when going out in the evening, or a tiny shoulder bag with an M43 system in it when going around town (and an EOS system for more serious landscape or nature when I don't mind the weight). In my most recent vacation to the US Virgin Islands, I brought a Panasonic GM-5 with expensive lenses, butI ended up leaving them at the house cause I was confident that I could live with the compromise with the S7. Would I have done that with the S5? No.
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Well we'll have to agree to disagree, but from the last few days of talking about camera comparisons, it seems the S7 and the S5 have different model sensors depending on which model you get, so it's highly possible the disagreements about S5>S7 camera quality are down to that
The S5 I had (G900F International) took absolutely amazing photos, yes I can see improvements with the S7, but also I see drops in quality for some things too
For example, I have a few plants, flowers etc growing out the back, I compared a photo taken with the S5 to one I took with the S7, S5 the heads of a certain plant are crisp and clear and sharp, with the S7 they are soft and blurred almost, no detail at all
But then taking the S7 out to the beach resulted in better quality photos than the S5
For people to have such a huge difference in opinion, there has to be different hardware / processing in different S5 models, otherwise we'd all be on the same page
I too look for camera quality when I get a phone, I took a ridiculous amount of photos with the S5, I know that camera like the back of my hand, and comparing it to my S7, there's really not such a difference
S5
S7
S5 is clearly sharper and more detailed
Detection, thank you for the samples! Would not this be a mute point if you are shooting RAW? In fact, has anyone tried the RAW ... I assume it is good
I kept Galaxy S5 as second phone but was in search of best latest camera. I got LG G5 and then sold it because camera was not great. Got Nexus 5X and camera was best but battery life was poor so sold nexus 5X and got Galaxy S7 yesterday . I assume S7 camera is not much improved as compare to s5 when we look at price which is 3 times more. It give you just quick focus. I am also getting 4 to 5 hour screen on time on S7 same as S5
If intensive gaming and design is not important than s5 is still great phone ..display, camera, removable battery, bigger screen but light weight, waterproof, external storage etc all option are there..
Here is my comparison of s5 and nexus 5X
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/excellent-camera-t3230797/page48
Comparison of Photo samples of S5 and S7 in full resolution auto mode with HDR on. First photo is taken by s5 while second photo of same scene is taken by S7
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Detection, thank you for the samples! Would not this be a mute point if you are shooting RAW? In fact, has anyone tried the RAW ... I assume it is good
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I've just spent the day playing with RAW, and I have to say, I am blown away, now the camera shines and blows the S5 clean out of the water, no comparison at all, S7 is worlds ahead when you shoot in RAW
This is the quality photo I was expecting from the S7, and I think it's clear this is the mode the used to shoot the sample photos we all saw advertising the S7s camera before launch
Each photo is around 24MB when shot in RAW, vs around 4-6MB in JPEG
I still need to master lightroom, but it takes a RAW and JPEG simutaneously, and when comparing the two identical photos on a PC the JPEGs look terrible compared
I know which mode I`ll be shooting with from now on, only bummer is, it seems to force save location to the device instead of the MicroSD
This was shot standing right at the back of the yard below
JPEG
RAW
Would just like to add my opinion: that faster camera makes a huge difference. S5 camera takes 2 seconds to launch, another second to capture, and 2 more seconds to open the Gallery for some reason. On the S7 I'm limited by how fast my fingers are. Camera quality is about the same in bright daylight (sources mentioned Note 5 outdoes it in terms of detail captured, but those differences are miniscule and you are HIGHLY unlikely to notice unless they're side by side and zoomed in real close). Autofocus speed is also in a class of its own: it's not just miles ahead of the S5, it's miles ahead of any other phone or even camera I can think of. As far as I'm concerned, this is the fastest autofocus of any kind on the planet.
Rajaasim1980 said:
I kept Galaxy S5 as second phone but was in search of best latest camera. I got LG G5 and then sold it because camera was not great. Got Nexus 5X and camera was best but battery life was poor so sold nexus 5X and got Galaxy S7 yesterday . I assume S7 camera is not much improved as compare to s5 when we look at price which is 3 times more. It give you just quick focus. I am also getting 4 to 5 hour screen on time on S7 same as S5
If intensive gaming and design is not important than s5 is still great phone ..display, camera, removable battery, bigger screen but light weight, waterproof, external storage etc all option are there..
Here is my comparison of s5 and nexus 5X
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/excellent-camera-t3230797/page48
Comparison of Photo samples of S5 and S7 in full resolution auto mode with HDR on. First photo is taken by s5 while second photo of same scene is taken by S7
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Rajaasim, thanks for sharing. In my opinion, S5 is better than 5X easily.
As for your S5 vs S7 I cannot tell which is better; maybe a slight edge for the S7 for a brighter (better exposure). Now what is very different is the white balance. Clearly S5 looks cooler (bluish) and the S7 is much warmer (yellow/pink). This is especially noticeable in you first picture. I am not sure which is closer to the correct white balance. Anyone knowledgeable can give their opinion on that?
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I've just spent the day playing with RAW, and I have to say, I am blown away, now the camera shines and blows the S5 clean out of the water, no comparison at all, S7 is worlds ahead when you shoot in RAW
This is the quality photo I was expecting from the S7, and I think it's clear this is the mode the used to shoot the sample photos we all saw advertising the S7s camera before launch
Each photo is around 24MB when shot in RAW, vs around 4-6MB in JPEG
I still need to master lightroom, but it takes a RAW and JPEG simutaneously, and when comparing the two identical photos on a PC the JPEGs look terrible compared
I know which mode I`ll be shooting with from now on, only bummer is, it seems to force save location to the device instead of the MicroSD
This was shot standing right at the back of the yard below
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Wow, thank you so much for these! It is very clear that RAW beats the hell out of the jpeg shot - you can see it in the clouds, in the reflection in the window, in the bricks. You know also that there is Lightroom for mobile right - which is free. You can do some quick edits very easily.
So the way I see it on vacation and special trips one could use the RAW mode and for the rest of the time you can use JPEG. I would personally use the 9.1 M (16:9) reso.
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Wow, thank you so much for these! It is very clear that RAW beats the hell out of the jpeg shot - you can see it in the clouds, in the reflection in the window, in the bricks. You know also that there is Lightroom for mobile right - which is free. You can do some quick edits very easily.
So the way I see it on vacation and special trips one could use the RAW mode and for the rest of the time you can use JPEG. I would personally use the 9.1 M (16:9) reso.
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Yea thanks, I have lightroom and photoshop express installed on the phone, but it's much nicer and easier to use the PC version for big photos and getting the levels just right
That photo was taken from a good 20m away on the ground too, and the detail is great
You can see the JPEGs starting to blend and blur the texture, but the RAW stays sharp, zooming right in with RAW just results in pixelization not blur like JPEG
And yea definitely RAW is highly recommended for special shots like a vacation, JPEG for point and shoot quick snaps are fine, but for amazing shots, RAW all the way
And another thing, with RAW there is no need for HDR, even low light shots come out nice and bright, while the JPEG clone that it takes with RAW come out dark
EDIT - I'm not the worlds best with PS or LR, but you can see all the information is still in the RAW photo, you just need to know how to bring it out
What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
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What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
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Cant say that am agree with you,
And i own both phone.
You can go to this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/hu...uawei-p20-pro-share-fantastic-t3774488/page15 to read more discussion about camera.
Conclusion is. P20 Pro is not your another point and shoot kind of camera. Its more like a photographer tool. It give you best result when you play around the setting and willing to go through the learning curve of using various camera mode. Not a fully auto like in our pixel 2 :laugh:
I'm very satisfied with the camera. Although I agree that the software can be on the heavy side when sharpening and smoothing areas. Havent tried RAW mode yet, but I'll experiment some more with that later.
Dark shots are amazing when using auto or night mode. I mean, considering doing them without a tripod.
any test gcam in p20 pro?
I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
Megaromania said:
What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
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Try Night Mod in daylight it is better then Pixel HDR+. Thats what I see on meny photo comparisons.
Yes
You are definitely right! I looked at the original 40 MP photos taken with p20 pro with excitement. I zoomed in and saw that there is no good amount of detail! They looked like low quality 10-12 MP photos! In low light it might take better photos because it has a larger sensor but in low light nope..
I can definitely say that Huawei didn't focus on the "software" enough (shame on Huawei), that's very unfortunate considering this phone has a good camera hardware.
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I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
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I have Pixel 2 and P20 Pro and disagree. The Pixel has far too omuch noise in indoor lighting, the P20 pro is just as quick at taking the shot and is clearer with less noise.
As for the Night mode... usually it's for buildings and such to get great low light phots... So we scroll... and click... aaaannnd the moment is still there unless the building fell over... haha.
HDR+ on the Pixel is good, but i'm afraid it just got toppled. Even the non HDR shots on the P20 Pro (with AI off) are better in all scenarios.
No issues with the camera, if you are wanting top notch photos then use a dedicated DLSR, the camera on the P20 Pro is the bridge between full on DSLR and Phone camera and does produce some outstanding results, just mess about with the settings, its not like other phone cameras and as a lot more settings/features to play with. I use my DLSR cameras for main photos while my P20 Pro will be for quick snaps when out and about and don't want to carry my main cameras.
Allesa said:
I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
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its a pity that you still use old software at that time,
.107 bring on much improved auto HDR. much detail are preserved, and it produce more consistent results on various scene now
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I have Pixel 2 and P20 Pro and disagree. The Pixel has far too omuch noise in indoor lighting, the P20 pro is just as quick at taking the shot and is clearer with less noise.
As for the Night mode... usually it's for buildings and such to get great low light phots... So we scroll... and click... aaaannnd the moment is still there unless the building fell over... haha.
HDR+ on the Pixel is good, but i'm afraid it just got toppled. Even the non HDR shots on the P20 Pro (with AI off) are better in all scenarios.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
Allesa said:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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wow, much prefer the pixel shots
Allesa said:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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Ah, i see now. Then i would agree with you,
Pixel 2 XL would suit you much better for this kind of quick snapshot around the house,
using P20 Pro for this kind of shots would be a waste of money. Pixel algorithm do better job on that
Coming from a S8 Plus and Iphone 8 plus. The camera on the Huawei p20 Pro is weak as hell compared to those two.
Sorry, but it was just marketing.
Selling the phone and going another route.
neflictus said:
Coming from a S8 Plus and Iphone 8 plus. The camera on the Huawei p20 Pro is weak as hell compared to those two.
Sorry, but it was just marketing.
Selling the phone and going another route.
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Coming from every flagship the last two years I have to utterly disagree on your statement. Of course each to their own.
It's not perfect but the the versatility alone is huge. Night mode is certainly not a marketing ploy, it really does work and as advertised!
Can't wait to go on using 4 seconds breaks for a photo at night.
Auto is useless. Everything is over sharpened.
Oil for all of us.
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The camera is amazing im sorry but it's the best camera I've ever used in a phone period.
Certain situations call for certain features to be used, but I'm in no way disappointed, it's a complete beast, there isn't a phone on the planet that comes close, perhaps the pixel 2 but only maybe on video.
I am not really disapointed , but for a phone focusing on it's camera so much , i would like some added features.
I'ts nice to have AI available , but sometimes i would like to leave my own personal touch on my photo's. So why not include the AI "modes" into the filters menu ? That way i can pick the mode and strength i want to see , when i want to see it.
Manual HDR mode , effect is only marginal ? can't set any HDR bracketing options.
Sometimes, in high contrast scenes, HDR kick's in automatically , without warning or any way to cancel it. The effect is really pronounced then.
Pro mode : where is the bracketing ? Sharpening settings ? Noise removal settings ?
RAW : is not really raw , there is some weird effect where noise seems to be converted to dancing lines. Lens distortion is removed , but vignetting is still present ?
I also would like to have an option to save the "developed" photo in a lossless format (with some extra bit depth) in stead of JPG.
Allesa said:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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Wow! that's stark! thanks for posting, it's exactly the type of images I plan to shoot and I was looking for a direct comparison between the Pixel 2 and the P20 Pro when shooting people in dimly lit indoors.
I suppose you had turned beauty mode down to 0, which however did not switch it off in earlier versions of the camera software.
Is the problem still present with the latest camera update (.128)?
Does shooting in Photo mode preserve more detail?
Thanks.
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otonieru said:
Ah, i see now. Then i would agree with you,
Pixel 2 XL would suit you much better for this kind of quick snapshot around the house,
using P20 Pro for this kind of shots would be a waste of money. Pixel algorithm do better job on that
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You said it, it's a software problem. The P20 Pro comes with superior camera hardware (a much larger main sensor to start with), so I really don't understand why it has to ruin skin in indoor shots to that extent.
From what users report it's all a matter of not being able to turn beautification off completely.
I've read that since update .128 the overprocessing issue was improved.
Does this also apply to skin?
How would such shots appear if shot in Photo mode, or RAW?
I ask about RAW because apparently Huawei's RAW images are also processed, at least geometrically, e.g. by applying lens distortion correction, so I can't be sure that pixel values are unaltered.
I purchased the P20 Pro specifically for the camera as I'm a professional photographer and want the best IQ out of my always with me smartphone camera. I have owned the P20 Pro for almost two months now and have seen a dramatic improvement in the camera software over that time. The initial, pre 107 firmware was terrible with regard to raw color vignetting and at first I was fairly disappointed. The 107 firmware corrected the raw color vignetting issue, though of course there is still the typical natural vignetting that occurs with a small lens and large sensor (and yes, often the sensor DOES affect vignetting due to how it receives non parallel light rays from the lens). So natural, non color shifting vignetting was not really a surprise and does not bother me at all. I'm very happy with the IQ from 40MP raw images now. It's not going to match my 36MP full frame camera in good light of course but for a smartphone, the P20 Pro is pretty amazing.
Probably my biggest positive surprise with the P20 Pro (beyond the software capabilities of Night Mode) is the quality of the black & white camera. Really nice tonality, no doubt somewhat due to the Leica involvement.
Anyway, I'm now on the 131 firmware and the additional improvements I would like to see are more user control over color saturation, noise reduction and sharpness (and I would also love to be able to tweak how the Master AI option deals with color and color saturation). For the B&W camera, I would really, really love a raw option as well as control of noise reduction and sharpness as I occasionally see where the very aggressive noise reduction completely smooths/ blurs very fine distant detail such as grass.
As far as all the noise about the P20 Pro camera not being as good vs phone X, etc. I would say that there is a higher learning curve to getting the most out of the cameras in the P20 Pro. I see this as the best option for a more experienced user who is looking for the absolute best IQ available today out of a smartphone. For someone looking for the best, "no hassle" snapshots from a smartphone, there may be better options though that does seem to be improving with every firmware update of the P20 Pro.
Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
Pfa
Here's my picture. No edit, no nothing. I don't think that camera is pathetic..
Edit, forum seem to pixelate these over 7mb pics..
Let's see if this helps:
I didn't see the Panorama mode? Is OSS support this mode?
The OP6 is not known for his camera. Like every OP.
And in addition I agree that their stock camera app is far from the best seen on android.
Not that the needed options are not here. But this feels not ergonomic. Or maybe it's to early after having a new phone to say...
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I didn't see the Panorama mode? Is OSS support this mode?
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Which OSS version do you have ? In 5.1.7, Panorama mode is the last one on the bottom of the camera modes menu.
RealLordK1 said:
The OP6 is not known for his camera. Like every OP.
And in addition I agree that their stock camera app is far from the best seen on android.
Not that the needed options are not here. But this feels not ergonomic. Or maybe it's to early after having a new phone to say...
Which OSS version do you have ? In 5.1.7, Panorama mode is the last one on the bottom of the camera modes menu.
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Thank you, i found it. It's hide under up icon indicator
Subhojit said:
Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
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Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
You can install many camera apps like Google. Search the Google Play store.
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
It's actually very good. Not GS9 good but close.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
This camera uses EIS to alleviate shaky hands and walking shakiness. Stop doing drugs
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
There is some noise in dark shots, but nowhere near the previous generation cameras.
It's a very good camera.
Buy a pixel then? I don't understand people. This camera is just as good in most situations as the pixel camera and when it's not, it's damn close. If people are going to complain it's not as good as a pixel camera and it's that important to you then damn, spend $300+ more and get a pixel.
I'm not trying to be snarky but what are you expecting on a phone that is $300-$400 less than another phone? There is a reason you bought a $500 phone and not a $800-$1000 phone
Eric214 said:
Buy a pixel then? I don't understand people. This camera is just as good in most situations as the pixel camera and when it's not, it's damn close. If people are going to complain it's not as good as a pixel camera and it's that important to you then damn, spend $300+ more and get a pixel.
I'm not trying to be snarky but what are you expecting on a phone that is $300-$400 less than another phone? There is a reason you bought a $500 phone and not a $800-$1000 phone
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It's not the bests camera if you have a baby. I struggle to get an infocus shot the first time which If you have a kid you need.
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B3501 said:
It's not the bests camera if you have a baby. I struggle to get an infocus shot the first time which If you have a kid you need.
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Why not get a baby camera then?
Galaxy S9 is fantastic. Huge aperture, huge pixel size - perfect for moving objects and low light shots.
S9 is like $700.
S9 is a beautiful phone. Wait till Samsung.com unleashes its sales. The first sale was -$150 off on ATT branded S9 about a month ago. The second sale was -$200 off on Verizon branded S9 two weeks ago.
I bought the ATT one for a friend, requested and got it sim unlocked in 3 days.
Good deal.
nabbed said:
Why not get a baby camera then?
Galaxy S9 is fantastic. Huge aperture, huge pixel size - perfect for moving objects and low light shots.
S9 is like $700.
S9 is a beautiful phone. Wait till Samsung.com unleashes its sales. The first sale was -$150 off on ATT branded S9 about a month ago. The second sale was -$200 off on Verizon branded S9 two weeks ago.
I bought the ATT one for a friend, requested and got it sim unlocked in 3 days.
Good deal.
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Impractical. I use my wife's S8 most of the time.
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I wouldn't call it "pathetic". I compare my Note 8 to my OnePlus 6 and have to say:
• The OP6 focuses better in videos than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. All cars, signs, etc. were perfectly focused whilst the Note 8 really struggled focusing one single thing. Autofocus can't be turned off it seems.
• The OP6 stabilizes images and videos better than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. OIS and EIS on OP6 is great. The Note 8 found its limits where the OP6 succeeded.
• More natural colors on the OP6 compared to the Note 8.
• OP6 only needs half the power to keep the camera running. The Note 8 really got hot in some situations, where the OP6 stood cool. Also tested by driving on average roads.
Sure: I miss the real 2x zoom on my Note 8. Night shots are better on the Note 8 too and even with some issues, the Note 8 wins. But it's a damn close win, because it should only be a matter of time, until good developers will do a dailydriver Google Camera port for the OP6.
And even if OP6 has its flaws: I love it more than my Note 8. Why? Find out by yourself.
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Impractical. I use my wife's S8 most of the time.
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I use your wife's S8 too. Not so good.
MickyFoley said:
I wouldn't call it "pathetic". I compare my Note 8 to my OnePlus 6 and have to say:
• The OP6 focuses better in videos than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. All cars, signs, etc. were perfectly focused whilst the Note 8 really struggled focusing one single thing. Autofocus can't be turned off it seems.
• The OP6 stabilizes images and videos better than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. OIS and EIS on OP6 is great. The Note 8 found its limits where the OP6 succeeded.
• More natural colors on the OP6 compared to the Note 8.
• OP6 only needs half the power to keep the camera running. The Note 8 really got hot in some situations, where the OP6 stood cool. Also tested by driving on average roads.
Sure: I miss the real 2x zoom on my Note 8. Night shots are better on the Note 8 too and even with some issues, the Note 8 wins. But it's a damn close win, because it should only be a matter of time, until good developers will do a dailydriver Google Camera port for the OP6.
And even if OP6 has its flaws: I love it more than my Note 8. Why? Find out by yourself.
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I think it's more about the camera app, than the camera itself. Samsung allows you to change the aspect ratio, resolution, framerate, storage location, different grid sizes, gestures, and a dozen different modes including pro mode.
Hm. Grid can be changed up to the Golden Ratio. Framerate is also changeable: 720p with 480FPS and 1080p with 240FPS. Gestures... dunno. Never needed on my Note 8. Aspect is also here. The only thing missing: Different sizes for the photos. I'd like to go back to 12MP, because of better photos (seen from the technical side).
Sooner or later we will have a fully working Google camera. At worst after pixel 3 launch, but it will surely happen.
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I think it's more about the camera app, than the camera itself. Samsung allows you to change the aspect ratio, resolution, framerate, storage location, different grid sizes, gestures, and a dozen different modes including pro mode.
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OP6 has a pro-mode, I just point and clicking so I don't use it but it's there.
here's my gripes
> Panoramas aren't stabilized, so unless you are a machine while turning around being completely still it won't come out good
> Videos focus in and out so much when there are moving objects it makes it pointless
These two things bother me a lot
This best camera I used, after comparing to mi 8, Zenfone 5z, s8 and v30. V30 has the best manual mode. The 5z before latest update had terrible videos, I was I had purchased it to replace my v30 and pictures only came very clear during daytime.