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V20 review, kind of. Came from Note 7.

Well, here's my thoughts. I've been with Samsung exclusively for a while now. Last non Samsung phone I had was the HTC Evo 3d. Loved that phone. I had the Galaxy s3, the note 3, the s6 edge plus, then the note 7.
First, there is no denying that the Samsung is sexier than the v20. There's really no contest there. The all glass/metal construction of the Samsungs is beautiful. When I got the recall notice for the 2nd time my initial plan was to say "never Samsung again". My coworker had a n7 too, and swapped for a S7 Edge. I held the phone and absolutely loved the look and feel of it. I regretfully decided to give Sam one more chance. I called around to every tmo in Charlotte and finally found one that had two s7e in Stock. My wife also had a n7, we pretty much always have the same flagship device.
We drove across town to get it, and the rep informed me that would have to pay 180 down for EACH new device. I protested saying there is no way in hell I'm paying as multiple tmo reps told me I could just come in and swap, but he wouldn't budge. I left furious.
After calming down I decided to call tmo and just order the two s7e. The rep told me I'd have to go the store again, ugh.... I explained the entire story to her and she took mercy on me saying she would just send the phones to me no money down and I could just return the n7s to my local store. Thank God.
Then she tells me the s7e is on backorder until Nov 28th. This wasn't acceptable. Then it hit me: the universe was pushing me towards LG. I asked if we could just pre-order two v20, and she said of course. We even get the cool headphones.
That was Monday. We received the new phones Wednesday (9 days before launch, nice touch tmo!) and immediately opened them up.
Now, I've never had an LG phone before. Maybe before smart phones, but never a smart LG. So being that I was so accustomed to Samsung I'll admit I was a little disappointed when I first held the phone. It just wasn't quite as "sexy" as the note 7 was. Not even close, really.
But, after using it for a day, I've come to a few conclusions. First, the design on the v20 is much more "industrial", and I don't mean that in a bad way. It definitely feels much sturdier than the Samsungs, and though it's a trade off on looks, it's a win on functionality.
The software, I quickly learned, is the undeniably faster than the n7. I had such a hard time admitting to myself when I had the note that a 900 dollar flagship could be laggy, but It really was. I've been using Samsung so long I apparently grew accustomed to the lag. This is NOT the case with the LG. Even with all my apps installed (and I have a lot) it's not laggy in the least bit. Again, you trade off some of the sexiness of TouchWiz, but get more functionality.
A removable battery? What a novel idea. It's been years since I've had one. This means of course that the phone isn't completely sealed, which again trades sexiness for functionality.
The only thing that really disappointed me was the lack of water resistance. That was a feature I was truly excited about on the Sam, because I love taking photos and the prospect of pulling out my cam in the pouring down rain was a cool one. So one strike there.
I thoroughly enjoyed the "always on" display of the note 7. Functionally wise, the second screen for the LG does the same, in fact more. I'm still getting used to it, but I really love being able to access things like flashlight and settings instantly. This is definitely not a gimmick to me.
The screen? Jury's out for me on that one. The note 7 was absolute dropping, but it's not like the LG is a slouch. I mean really guys, 2k on any screen this small is going to look amazing. I do miss those amoled blacks, though. I'll admit that.
What will TRULY make this phone amazing for me though is if we find out the bootloader is unlocked. I regret deeply that I haven't been able to root my last 3 phones because Samsung keeps everything knoxed up so tight. If I can root and start installing custom ROMs, I'll be like a fat little prick in a snickers factory. I'll be quite happy.
Android 7 is exactly what I expected, amazing.
I can't believe I actually considered iPhone after the n7 debacle. I read reviews from lifelong Android users that switched to iPhone and they all said after a month they were begging for their Androids back. I'm so deeply ingrained in Googles ecosystem that it wouldn't have been feasible. Not to mention my entire smart home/entertainment pretty much requires I have android.
I hope this will help someone decide.

Oh, one other thing, I LOVE that LG included a IR blaster on this phone. It's something so simple but I LOVE being able to turn my TV on and off from my phone. Well done LG!

thatisandwas said:
....sexiness of TouchWiz ....
I hope this will help someone decide.
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But there is something that people either dont know, or dont understand. Touchwiz interface is mainly a launcher with few other things added to the UI. (settings and camera look). But the launcher part, it can be easily fixed. Just download the TouchWiz launcher and you are good to go! you have the launcher in the play store, and it will definitely work on the LG V20

Good point! I'm more of a Nova / Google now launcher guy, depends on how I'm feeling. But an excellent tip for those on the fence!

Well here's my thoughts. I've had the phone for about 6 hours now and I haven't put it down. Its extremely light and fits in my hands perfectly. As stated above its not as sleek as the n7, but ill be throwing this in a case soon so that's not an issue for me.
Pros...its fast. Zero lag. The audio is phenomenal in my opinion. The audio volume is high too, you don't want to turn it all the way up with headphones.
I really like the dual screen. I like to have notices pop up and I like flipping between a ps.
Downside...its not a blazingly crisp screen. Its like the note 4...a step behind the note 5.
Its going to take some getting used to having all your apps on the screens instead of an app drawer. Its a pain to find apps because I don't know how to alphabetically sort them.
That's the worst I can mention
Batter life is ok so far...it is slow to charge though. I've charged it twice about 40% each.
Hoping we are bootloader unlocked. If we get that I'd give this phone 5 stars.

bjhatch said:
... Its going to take some getting used to having all your apps on the screens instead of an app drawer. Its a pain to find apps because I don't know how to alphabetically sort them....
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To activate appdrawer, read this: http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v20-tips-and-tricks-716837/
bjhatch said:
Hoping we are bootloader unlocked. If we get that I'd give this phone 5 stars.
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And if you happen to have tmobile's variant, then congratulations, you get unlockable bootloader (already confirmed) >>> although not root yet

joseguillen1994 said:
But there is something that people either dont know, or dont understand. Touchwiz interface is mainly a launcher with few other things added to the UI. (settings and camera look). But the launcher part, it can be easily fixed. Just download the TouchWiz launcher and you are good to go! you have the launcher in the play store, and it will definitely work on the LG V20
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I hate when people say this. TouchWiz is the entire UI, apps, and framework, the launcher is just one aspect of it. Yes you can replace the launcher but that doesn't make the device not run TouchWiz.
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Nick281051 said:
I hate when people say this. TouchWiz is the entire UI, apps, and framework, the launcher is just one aspect of it. Yes you can replace the launcher but that doesn't make the device not run TouchWiz.
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Lol i never said you would get the whole TouchWiz package. I said "Only the launcher part", I know TouchWiz is more than just the launcher , settings and camera interface as i said. However, since the V20 is not a samsung , there is no way you can get the full TouchWiz package, only the launcher. And people will have to adjust to that like it or not. Its either keep the phone or go back to samsung

joseguillen1994 said:
To activate appdrawer, read this: http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v20-tips-and-tricks-716837/
And if you happen to have tmobile's variant, then congratulations, you get unlockable bootloader (already confirmed) >>> although not root yet
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Thanks for that, just figured out how to enable the app drawer...this is 100x better.

joseguillen1994 said:
Lol i never said you would get the whole TouchWiz package. I said "Only the launcher part", I know TouchWiz is more than just the launcher , settings and camera interface as i said. However, since the V20 is not a samsung , there is no way you can get the full TouchWiz package, only the launcher. And people will have to adjust to that like it or not. Its either keep the phone or go back to samsung
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Just the way you said it seemed like you were trying to say that it was just a couple of minor changes and not fundamental changes to base stock Android is all but I see what you're saying now
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Nick281051 said:
Just the way you said it seemed like you were trying to say that it was just a couple of minor changes and not fundamental changes to base stock Android is all but I see what you're saying now
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Yeah, i figure that part of the post might be misunderstood at some point along the way lol.

joseguillen1994 said:
To activate appdrawer, read this: http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v20-tips-and-tricks-716837/
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thank you so much for this. this is just what i needed

Exactly what I wanted to hear!
I am coming from a S7E and that phone itself is literally a bad ass electronic device.
The reason I am upgrading is....i dont know really, my addiction to smartphones? I guess it dwells down to wanting to have the latest OS update honestly. And the only two phones that are running it out the box happen to be TWO very awesome devices.
The reason why I went with the V20 over the PIXEL XL are because of availability mostly. But then I started to think, the option to remove the battery and expand storage is a plus! So I am not too concerned with my decision.
Things that I was on the fence about, Camera and screen quality. I guess I can live with having second best in both of those categories. As long as it isnt the worst then I can accept it.
Cant wait to receive this baby, I have two cases waiting already. WOOHOO!
Oh, I also tried the IPhone 7 route. I thought maybe I could finally sway away from Android since Apple has finally made a no compromise phone...wrong. The hardware is fantastic...but Apple doesnt do notifications and other small tasks as well as Android. I returned the device after 12 days of use. The Jet Black paint also scratched in that time frame. Glad I will be back on an Android.

Came from an S7E(also own a HTC 10)and man is it way faster. You mentioned the Note 7 was laggy the S7E was laggy as hell for me and I owned three different ones. Here are some quick observations.
-Battery life is great especially on Standby(thanks in part to Nougat's new doze)
-The Screen is not bad as some people say. It looks great, yes it's not Amoled but Blacks look suprisingly good.
-At night there is light bleed from the second screen that is very noticeable
-Sound is Killer on this, surpasses the HTC 10 which also has great audio
-No waterproof sucks, didn't know I would miss this
-My only quirk with the Software is the settings menu. I reccomend changing the theme to the High Contrast theme and also changing the DPI size
But ya Great Phone, haven't had a chance to test out the rear camera, but from what I can tell the front camera is only meh

Is it just me or is the fingerprint sensor on this wayyyyy better than the Note7? It seems to get my finger every single time (even when it's not on there that well). The Note7 would struggle a lot and say it didn't get it. Like others, I'm not too crazy about the placement of it but I'm sure it'll grow on me with use. Just not used to it yet. Having the option for a "knock code" while the screen is off is really nice and makes up for it. I will agree I liked the amoled screen on the Note better but it's not that big of a deal to me. I feel like I'm in the minority but I actually liked the look of the edge screen and how it made the profile of the phone smaller. Yes, the functionality of it was really gimmicky but it made it look nice. Overall I'm happy with this phone so far though.

@volfan22 @adolfo778 thanks for sharing guys! You have convinced me to at least try out the v20. Put in a pre-order today!

volfan22 said:
Is it just me or is the fingerprint sensor on this wayyyyy better than the Note7? It seems to get my finger every single time (even when it's not on there that well). The Note7 would struggle a lot and say it didn't get it. Like others, I'm not too crazy about the placement of it but I'm sure it'll grow on me with use. Just not used to it yet. Having the option for a "knock code" while the screen is off is really nice and makes up for it. I will agree I liked the amoled screen on the Note better but it's not that big of a deal to me. I feel like I'm in the minority but I actually liked the look of the edge screen and how it made the profile of the phone smaller. Yes, the functionality of it was really gimmicky but it made it look nice. Overall I'm happy with this phone so far though.
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No the fingerprint reader is as it should be on any phone. Super fast and accurate. The Note7 one was crap and an embarrassment for that phone. The Note 7 had so many little flaws that I am glad it went into flames. Seriously. The fingerprint reader on the Nexus 6P was similar to the V20 one. When I got my note 7 I was so disappointed: It was slow, inaccurate and you physically had to press the key which was just stupid.

mgymnop said:
No the fingerprint reader is as it should be on any phone. Super fast and accurate. The Note7 one was crap and an embarrassment for that phone. The Note 7 had so many little flaws that I am glad it went into flames. Seriously. The fingerprint reader on the Nexus 6P was similar to the V20 one. When I got my note 7 I was so disappointed: It was slow, inaccurate and you physically had to press the key which was just stupid.
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The Note7 was the 1st phone I've had with a fingerprint scanner and after getting this phone, it's crazy to see how different they are. You're right, the scanner on the Note blows lol.
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Seriously though. This smartphone is getting better and better for me everyday. I have 65 apps (USER APPS ) installed and many of then constantly synch, and the battery could easily last for more than 2 days if i dont use it alot . (I said easily, so it means it could be even more)

I was one of the ones that stitched to an iPhone after being an Android user since the G1. I lasted 6 months before I was back to Android. If Apple opened up the API then I could deal with it but simple tasks I took for granted on Android were hard to accomplish on iOS. That being said, I use an iPad because I think iOS has Android beat on tablets.
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Quick opinion on someone who has the phone...

I, like most of you, was waiting impatiently for this device for the past few weeks. I was given a retail model on Thursday early and wanted to let my thoughts after 48 hours.
I have to say I haven't been this disappointed in a phone in a while. While the phone is a looker, fundamentals are quite lacking.
Battery life - Same as the S7 and that's not a good thing. Has the same inconsistent issues of quick drains while running idle. As an example, was working on my house yesterday for roughly 4 hours and left the phone down with out being touched. Left it at 90% and came back at 74%. Again no usage. I have 3 other Android phones with more apps running and this doesn't happen except on Samsung. They will never change in this regard. Every year I have hope and get sucked into buying one. Same results.
Fingerprint sensor- I was one of the people that thought all the complaining was unwarranted about the fingerprint sensor placement. I thought this is just an issue for certain people with finger dexterity issues or just looking for something to complain about. Boy was I wrong. It's actually worse! It works maybe75% of the time and that is only using my right hand. Forget about the left hand.. way too awkward and difficult to do with one hand. At first, I thought no biggie, I'll just use face scanning or supplement with Iris scanning. Face scanning again is hit and miss and forget about Iris scanning if you are anywhere outside of bright light. I had the note 7 and that seemed to work a ton better. Maybe a software fix coming? Back to the fingerprint issue.. Samsung Pay doesn't even come preloaded on the phone! Why?!?! Because the NFC chip is on back so have fun using the sensor and holding it to a pay device. I was perplexed how this was a main selling point with the s and note series of last year and how it couldn't be preloaded. Hell it is on the gear S3. I used it 3 times yesterday at 3 different stores. I had to hold the phone upside down and the back facing the terminal. Picture that for a second... Holding your finger on a sensor which is located on the back and also having to have the back of the phone facing the CC reader at the same time. It's unreal. It's absolutely crazy that they threw this phone with the sensor placement at last minute and gathered...Oh yeah how are they going to use Pay? Ah just don't preload it and we won't get so many complaints. If you think I'm full of it.. go try it.
As mentioned with unlocking with the fingerprint, the new home button is virtually useless. I am trying to understand why they are trying to reinvent the wheel and not just use the tried and true method that every Android manufacturer has used for the past few years. It takes a ridiculous amount of time to unlock this phone. Too many steps.touch the side button or home button, wait for face unlock to work and if it doesn't then do finger gynastics with the fingerprint sensor. Seriously I wind up just using pattern after both fail. I use my V20 as my DD and it's 100% unlocking with the fingerprint on one touch Everytime. What the [email protected]#&$ were you thinking Samsung?
Audio - I love music and media and I am a wanna be audiophile. The headphone jack output and sound is no better than the S7. Lower output than most phones and music has a tight soundstage. Sound is tinny and missing elements you would hear on other high end phones. The Bluetooth audio is actually better but that was the same as the S7. It's nothing to write home about to be honest. I knew it wasn't going to be V20 quality but I was hoping for better with the akg tuning and Harmon partnership.Maybe those changes will come to the note 8?
Not all is bad with the phone, I love the screen and how I missed wireless charging! But there are fundamental ergonomic design issues that make this phone clumsy to use day to day. It's like you have to think to unlock it instead of it being second nature. People will see what I mean when they get their device. It feels like Samsung rushed again to market a product. I am praying that the note 8 is the next big thing.

sillyphillie said:
It feels like Samsung rushed again to market a product.
I am praying that the note 8 is the next big thing.
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How is this "rushed"? Samsung has had a full year since last year's Galaxy S7, and all the manufacturers have a team actually start working on the NEXT release before they launch the current one. So, OVER a year.
Are you suggesting Samsung do what Apple does? Release a new phone EVERY TWO YEARS? And then the ones in between are just to fix what they screwed up? iPhone 4S = iPhone 4 antenna fiasco fix.
And as for "big", the Notes are TOO big. I will never own a Note phablet.

Just giving my take. This phone is definitely not ready for prime time in my opinion. RAM management is also an issue I forgot to list but that has always been an issue with Samsung so nothing to see here on that. Knew that coming in. Just disappointed they didn't do much to address. Again these are my opinions.
Camera is definitely improved though... Sweet shots I'm getting.

Samsung pay didn't come preloaded in my Verizon S7 Edge, I had to download it. But I do see what you're saying about paying with your fingerprint. But I, myself, have the gear S3 so feel there's no need to use Samsung pay on my phone since the watch does it.

sillyphillie said:
Just giving my take. This phone is definitely not ready for prime time in my opinion. RAM management is also an issue I forgot to list but that has always been an issue with Samsung so nothing to see here on that. Knew that coming in. Just disappointed they didn't do much to address. Again these are my opinions.
Camera is definitely improved though... Sweet shots I'm getting.
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It may not be ready for Prime Time, but they had plenty of time. Any design failures is on Samsung -- their skill set, their design/manufacturing expertise.
Whereas "rushed" is like Google's 2016 Pixel with the HUGE bezels because Huawei turned them down for a Google Pixel phone with no manufacturer branding, and they had to go to HTC and use a re-purposed frame HTC already had -- and they only had 9 months to design/test/release a phone. THAT is "rushed". They couldn't even make it waterproof like they wanted because they ran out of time.
The Pixel and Pixel XL aren’t waterproof because Google ‘ran out of time’
http://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-xl-waterproof-724120/
According to Pierce, when he asked Google why its phone isn’t waterproof, its response was, rather simply: “We ran out of time”.
Pierce states that the development cycle for the smartphone was uncharacteristically short, reportedly “nine months and a week” from design to launch, as Google abandoned its original plans for the phone at the end of 2015.
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Samsung has no such excuses, unless you are just saying they are incompetent.

I completely agree hence why I sold my pixel months ago. I'm not saying other manufacturers aren't rushing either. Just making a note that Samsung is as well. Anyway.. my take as someone who has the phone already. Hoping software fixes some of the concerns. But that fingerprint sensor and Samsung pay is there to stay.

ChazzMatt said:
Whereas "rushed" is like Google's 2016 Pixel with the HUGE bezels because Huawei turned them down for a Google Pixel phone with no manufacturer branding, and they had to go to HTC and use a re-purposed frame HTC already had
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Come on its a brand new design... http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8346&idPhone2=8297
Any phone coming out after the s8 and g6 with ugly ass bezels will be dead on arrival, lets see if htc has enough time to shrink those bezel's.

Re: Samsung pay, there are more than a few phones with rear fingerprint scanners and NFC chips that have been out for some time. I've never found this an issue nor have I heard complaints like this. As of right now the technology you're longing for (a front facing under the screen fingerprint scanner, since that's the only feasible alternative with the infinity display) simply hasn't been released. Unfortunately, the reality is it's these shortcomings that are debatably left out (intentionally?) to keep interest in the next iteration and keep overhead down. Hence why we never get the perfect smart phone. I'll you know when I get the device but I assume it's no different then the others: shiny, new, with some improvements, likely the best phone out, but still short of the perfect phone. (Never get too high of expectations, these companies are here to be profitable) I had the G6 all of 2 days before I was left unimpressed, hopefully that's not the case with the S8.
Oh well take my money. Thanks for the write up!
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peachpuff said:
Come on its a brand new design... http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8346&idPhone2=8297
Any phone coming out after the s8 and g6 with ugly ass bezels will be dead on arrival, lets see if htc has enough time to shrink those bezel's.
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HTC is screwed if the renditions/leaks are accurate. Still has same general design and big ol bezels

sillyphillie said:
I, like most of you, was waiting impatiently for this device for the past few weeks. I was given a retail model on Thursday early and wanted to let my thoughts after 48 hours.
I have to say I haven't been this disappointed in a phone in a while. While the phone is a looker, fundamentals are quite lacking.
Battery life - Same as the S7 and that's not a good thing. Has the same inconsistent issues of quick drains while running idle. As an example, was working on my house yesterday for roughly 4 hours and left the phone down with out being touched. Left it at 90% and came back at 74%. Again no usage. I have 3 other Android phones with more apps running and this doesn't happen except on Samsung. They will never change in this regard. Every year I have hope and get sucked into buying one. Same results.
Fingerprint sensor- I was one of the people that thought all the complaining was unwarranted about the fingerprint sensor placement. I thought this is just an issue for certain people with finger dexterity issues or just looking for something to complain about. Boy was I wrong. It's actually worse! It works maybe75% of the time and that is only using my right hand. Forget about the left hand.. way too awkward and difficult to do with one hand. At first, I thought no biggie, I'll just use face scanning or supplement with Iris scanning. Face scanning again is hit and miss and forget about Iris scanning if you are anywhere outside of bright light. I had the note 7 and that seemed to work a ton better. Maybe a software fix coming? Back to the fingerprint issue.. Samsung Pay doesn't even come preloaded on the phone! Why?!?! Because the NFC chip is on back so have fun using the sensor and holding it to a pay device. I was perplexed how this was a main selling point with the s and note series of last year and how it couldn't be preloaded. Hell it is on the gear S3. I used it 3 times yesterday at 3 different stores. I had to hold the phone upside down and the back facing the terminal. Picture that for a second... Holding your finger on a sensor which is located on the back and also having to have the back of the phone facing the CC reader at the same time. It's unreal. It's absolutely crazy that they threw this phone with the sensor placement at last minute and gathered...Oh yeah how are they going to use Pay? Ah just don't preload it and we won't get so many complaints. If you think I'm full of it.. go try it.
As mentioned with unlocking with the fingerprint, the new home button is virtually useless. I am trying to understand why they are trying to reinvent the wheel and not just use the tried and true method that every Android manufacturer has used for the past few years. It takes a ridiculous amount of time to unlock this phone. Too many steps.touch the side button or home button, wait for face unlock to work and if it doesn't then do finger gynastics with the fingerprint sensor. Seriously I wind up just using pattern after both fail. I use my V20 as my DD and it's 100% unlocking with the fingerprint on one touch Everytime. What the [email protected]#&$ were you thinking Samsung?
Audio - I love music and media and I am a wanna be audiophile. The headphone jack output and sound is no better than the S7. Lower output than most phones and music has a tight soundstage. Sound is tinny and missing elements you would hear on other high end phones. The Bluetooth audio is actually better but that was the same as the S7. It's nothing to write home about to be honest. I knew it wasn't going to be V20 quality but I was hoping for better with the akg tuning and Harmon partnership.Maybe those changes will come to the note 8?
Not all is bad with the phone, I love the screen and how I missed wireless charging! But there are fundamental ergonomic design issues that make this phone clumsy to use day to day. It's like you have to think to unlock it instead of it being second nature. People will see what I mean when they get their device. It feels like Samsung rushed again to market a product. I am praying that the note 8 is the next big thing.
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I have never used a fingerprint scanner or whatever on a phone, just good old passcode/pattern. It blows my mind people getting all uppity (no you, people in general) over a freaking unlock method to their phone. It's like a new Porsche/Mercedes and instead of talking about its performance people get all hung up on the palm sensor to unlock the door all the while they have the keys. Phones are all about the screen and apps, etc. Who gives a hoot about a stupid fingerprint sensor.

i plan to use samsung pay with Pin instead of fingerprint since it' on the back

Should we cancel our pre-orders then? I'd be more than happy to stick with my Note 4 than pay £55 a month for the next 2 years.

The funny thing about this bezel less design is I really think it's more beauty than function. Maybe it's the bezel less combined with the edge display but I feel less secure with this phone. I have a gs7 and lgv20 I keep referencing back to and when you are out and about the flat display lends to more secure in the hand feel. Maybe even more comfort.
Every year we hear how awesome a phone is from MWC through the first round of reviews. I'm really wanting to know what the consensus will be on this phone. The LG G6 was a darling when announced now the shine has come way off and people are finding out the size and feel are not what's it's cracked up to be. I'm going to give this phone more time and hope it grows on me.

The Phone Company said:
Should we cancel our pre-orders then? I'd be more than happy to stick with my Note 4 than pay £55 a month for the next 2 years.
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everyone's got a different opinion... i am still happy to proceed with my s8 plus, and keep in mind... these folks complainin abt battery life are the US models running SD... and we've got exynos

Is Exnos a more thrifty battery chip?
I will get the EU model in any case.

Satisfied or not ?

Hello everyone,
This is not a question but a feedback.
The perfect smartphone may never exist, but I am satisfied with my Galaxy S8 +, although I should encounter problems with it in the future, I must admit that it is a very good smartphone. I had a Galaxy S7 Edge then a Huawei P9 just before, but I did not feel like having a new product, they all looked alike.
My experience has changed with the S8 + that I find very successful, although still perfectible ....
excuse my bad English.
thank you

jidamo said:
Hello everyone,
This is not a question but a feedback.
The perfect smartphone may never exist, but I am satisfied with my Galaxy S8 +, although I should encounter problems with it in the future, I must admit that it is a very good smartphone. I had a Galaxy S7 Edge then a Huawei P9 just before, but I did not feel like having a new product, they all looked alike.
My experience has changed with the S8 + that I find very successful, although still perfectible ....
excuse my bad English.
thank you
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This device is pretty damned good. I look forward to the full implementation of Bixby though. The only bad thing is that TMobile didn't have the case I wanted so I didn't get one, and I dropped the phone the next morning and shattered the back of the phone.

overall ok. but I hate where the fingerprint scanner is. I had an LG v20 so coming from a logical spot middle of back easy to get to, to s8+ up top is incredibly stupid. I highly doubt any new phones they bring out will be at the top....

tommason1968 said:
This device is pretty damned good. I look forward to the full implementation of Bixby though. The only bad thing is that TMobile didn't have the case I wanted so I didn't get one, and I dropped the phone the next morning and shattered the back of the phone.
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Wooooow! I just shed a lone tear my friend

I have to say. I loved the note 7 and was heart broken that I had to return it. This phone has all the features the note 7 had and then some. I'm really loving it. The only problem is the position of the finger print scanner. Other than that it's the best Smart phone I've ever owned.
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Completely agree with other posters here, everything except the fingerprint scanner location is perfect. I'm using face unlock, which is really not as unsafe as some videos show. I tried to take a picture from a perfect angle and hold it in front of the phone in all kinds of different angles, and it never unlocked once. I actually believe that YouTubers who did videos on how you can unlock the phone with a picture used trickery to make it look like a picture unlocked the phone, since in some of their videos you can see their head shadow hovering over the phone. The phone could scan their faces from further away in an area cropped out of view on the video, and videos exposing Samsung are sure to make waves around the web
Everything about hardware and software is as perfect as it can be, the black model really does feel like a black slab of glass with a massive display, the dream of Steve Jobs realized before Apple. People who complain about the RAM amount being "only" 4GB have never used the phone, apps from 8 hours ago are most of the time still open in the background. It is great futureproofing to have more RAM, but right now, phones with 6GB almost never even use the extra 2GB, because there is simply no need for it at this day and time
Benchmarking to see performance is kind of dumb and unpredictable, I think that a better way of describing the S8 performance is that not a single game I've tested (over 20 and counting) has had an FPS below 30 on max settings. Not a single complaint about the entire phone, the fingerprint scanner location is a non-issue for me, because I don't use it. I would honestly give this phone a 9.5 / 10 rating, only bad side being that to unlock the phone in dark I have to reach for the scanner

It's an exciting thrill ride! Enjoy it and XDA

Great phone! I have no issues with the fingerprint scanner placement. Just takes getting use too.

*Hooligan* said:
Great phone! I have no issues with the fingerprint scanner placement. Just takes getting use too.
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Same it's fast and easy plus the way I grip the phone is on base(middle) all I do is slide it til I feel the first thing... but I'm a righty so it might be easier for me

Why so quiet here?

Isn't it strange?
The S10e has highly favourable reviews and is supposed to become one of the best selling phones, maybe it could sell even better than the S10.
But it's very quiet around here with not much discussion compared to other phones.
And personally I've never seen an S10e in person even though I've seen plenty of S10 & S10+.
The S10+ Q&A forum has thousands of posts already, and there's 341 here.
So what's happening?

I would say s10e people go see s10 or s10+ forums as there is not much difference.

The S10e is ultimately the third tier device in the S10 line. Enthusiasts are more likely to be the ones to develop for devices in general, and enthusiasts are more likely to go for the first or second tier options.
We may get a small amount of development ported over from the other devices, but odds are this is about the amount of participation we're going to see here.

Maybe because people are satisfied with it. I honestly have no complaint about this device

Because it's locked down... Not much we can do really.
I'm very happy with this phone tho. Don't even need root anymore really....custom kernel would be nice but not likely to see that for long time if ever.
Good old locked af Sammy phones.

wywywywy said:
Isn't it strange?
The S10e has highly favourable reviews and is supposed to become one of the best selling phones, maybe it could sell even better than the S10.
But it's very quiet around here with not much discussion compared to other phones.
And personally I've never seen an S10e in person even though I've seen plenty of S10 & S10+.
The S10+ Q&A forum has thousands of posts already, and there's 341 here.
So what's happening?
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You're right, brother.
I've been a oneplus user for the past three devices, and this s10E really got my attention.
I ordered a G9700 version from ebay, should come next week
Surprised though there's little talk about it here.
What about TWRP? hmm
Could even survive without magisk nowadays as long as I use themes such as swift installer or even substratum ones.
This device seems unique for what it can offer, almost the same as their big brothers. With such a compact design,
Let's rock it!

jasons1004 said:
Because it's locked down... Not much we can do really.
I'm very happy with this phone tho. Don't even need root anymore really....custom kernel would be nice but not likely to see that for long time if ever.
Good old locked af Sammy phones.
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Not if you have the Exynos version ...

You guys have got valid points, however, even the Accessories section (which has nothing to do with being locked down) is super quiet.
The S10 and S10+ are locked down too, yet they still have big communities.
My worry is that the S10e is selling maybe nowhere near as well as people were expecting, possibly even a flop. This will be a problem for future official or non-official support.

No idea.
Major weirdness.

wywywywy said:
You guys have got valid points, however, even the Accessories section (which has nothing to do with being locked down) is super quiet.
The S10 and S10+ are locked down too, yet they still have big communities.
My worry is that the S10e is selling maybe nowhere near as well as people were expecting, possibly even a flop. This will be a problem for future official or non-official support.
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I don't remember where I read the news but I saw that S10+ and S10e both are outsellIing S10. I think this forum just needs more time

I typically get the highest model available when I purchase phones but there was a few things that made me get my s10e. The main thing is that I despised curved screen phones. That's why I've been away from Samsung for years now. Finally is that I do not want to deal with the experimental in screen finger print sensor.
After getting the s10e, The only downside is the absurdly narrow screen. While the screen size is actually larger than my older LG V20 actual usable screen space is less and I feel it when playing puzzle games. Other than that I never thought that I'd be so happy on a non rooted phone. I pretty much destroyed my LG V20 on sprint by installing the best rom that was available and which got rid of lots of things like visual voicemail and many other features.

esqueue said:
I typically get the highest model available when I purchase phones but there was a few things that made me get my s10e. The main thing is that I despised curved screen phones. That's why I've been away from Samsung for years now. Finally is that I do not want to deal with the experimental in screen finger print sensor.
After getting the s10e, The only downside is the absurdly narrow screen. While the screen size is actually larger than my older LG V20 actual usable screen space is less and I feel it when playing puzzle games. Other than that I never thought that I'd be so happy on a non rooted phone. I pretty much destroyed my LG V20 on sprint by installing the best rom that was available and which got rid of lots of things like visual voicemail and many other features. I mainly root to have access to free wifi hotspot and to my surprise, my s10e has no problems getting. There is absolutely no reason to root this device anymore.
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One word: ads. After being pushed onto an S8 when my OP6 broke, I couldn't believe how many ads there are spamming all over the place. It felt unusable. Adaway really spoiled me. At that point I rooted my S8 with Nougat.
There are still some drawbacks to rooting an SD S8 (random crashes and 80 percent battery), but it's still worth it IMO. Enough so that I didn't upgrade to the 10e, even though I like my wife's overall.
Oh, and Titanium Backup too.

I agree root was not necessarily so far. I am using Adguard VPN ad blocking, used ADB to remove bloatware and add some 3rd apps for gestures and other improvements. All ok for now.

root is no longer needed for blocking advertisements. you can use, Blokada, adhell3, Disconnect Pro and private Dns. I use Disconnect Pro in combination with Adguard dns. Dns over tls. perfect combination for adblocking with 0% battery drain

Xda isnt Poppin like it used to and the phone is so good, there's really nothing to complain about or anything. Ppl are just enjoying their phone
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I really wish I could use a custom ROM on this. I don't like using stock ROMs and haven't on a single smartphone I've owned... including my first, the Samsung Captivate. I'm currently in love with Resurrection Remix.

Not much to complain about so far. I was getting a bit fed up with the increasingly large screens and weight, so I decided to go for the 10e and so far it is a great phone.

Phh just ordered an s10e, that's great news for any aosp lovers.

There's not much to do having the Snap SoC(ks)
Still waiting for the promised supper-dupper night mode update, 4 months since purchasing my unlocked S10e and that's too long. Samsung is bombarding the market with so many cheap "A" models now, that they're forgetting their obligations to the owners of top priced galaxy 'battleships' or 'flagships',... whatever.
I like the S10e, but I'm beginning to regret not waiting for the OP7 Pro, they seem to be on top of updates/upgrades. I think I'll give OP7T Pro a try when it gets released in the fall.

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There's not much to do having the Snap SoC(ks)
Still waiting for the promised supper-dupper night mode update, 4 months since purchasing my unlocked S10e and that's too long. Samsung is bombarding the market with so many cheap "A" models now, that they're forgetting their obligations to the owners of top priced galaxy 'battleships' or 'flagships',... whatever.
I like the S10e, but I'm beginning to regret not waiting for the OP7 Pro, they seem to be on top of updates/upgrades. I think I'll give OP7T Pro a try when it gets released in the fall.
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I got around the night mode thing by installing a dark theme and using night mode for all my Google apps. Gives me about 85% night mode for everything.
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Question Pixel 7 Pro is Awesome

People are having lots of launch issues with the 7 series, but I just wanted to say that (so far) my P7P has been really good! I like the brightness of the screen, the fingerprint works better for me, everything is snappy, not too hot at all https://nox.tips/ https://xender.vip/.
I hope other people are having a good experience, and if you aren't I'm sorry it's gone that way, I just want nervous people who are stalking the subreddit and seeing all these issues to know that it's not all bad! Having issues sucks, and quirks that you don't like also sucks but remember that you can RMA it and you can get used to things, but also to keep an eye out for any issues people are posting about.
I'm not complaining about these posts btw, keep them coming and I just wanted to give my intial feedback of the phone too, it's been great and I hope it stays that way. Happy Pixeling my Googles

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People are having lots of launch issues with the 7 series, but I just wanted to say that (so far) my P7P has been really good! I like the brightness of the screen, the fingerprint works better for me, everything is snappy, not too hot at all.
I hope other people are having a good experience, and if you aren't I'm sorry it's gone that way, I just want nervous people who are stalking the subreddit and seeing all these issues to know that it's not all bad! Having issues sucks, and quirks that you don't like also sucks but remember that you can RMA it and you can get used to things, but also to keep an eye out for any issues people are posting about.
I'm not complaining about these posts btw, keep them coming and I just wanted to give my intial feedback of the phone too, it's been great and I hope it stays that way. Happy Pixeling my Googles
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I'm gonna say not nearly good for me so far but that's always been the case with me and nexus/pixel phones. I've always had lag issues, quality control issues and scrolling issues (particularly while we browsing). I've had all that with the current phone plus lost the ability to receive texts for 4 days. Everything seems to have resolved itself today for some reason but it'd par for the course for me. I used to think all android phones were buggy like this until I moved over to Samsung after the pixel 3 and it's been a great and smooth experience. I finally came back here hoping things would be better. I do miss the superior multitasking and overall brute force of the Samsungs but I do like the little things that the pixel gets right.

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I'm gonna say not nearly good for me so far but that's always been the case with me and nexus/pixel phones. I've always had lag issues, quality control issues and scrolling issues (particularly while we browsing). I've had all that with the current phone plus lost the ability to receive texts for 4 days. Everything seems to have resolved itself today for some reason but it'd par for the course for me. I used to think all android phones were buggy like this until I moved over to Samsung after the pixel 3 and it's been a great and smooth experience. I finally came back here hoping things would be better. I do miss the superior multitasking and overall brute force of the Samsungs but I do like the little things that the pixel gets right.
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Seems like Samsung's your brand bruh. Stick with what works for you tbh.

Power button placement really annoys me. Why would anyone put a power button above the volume rocker? I keep hitting the volume up button thinking its power.
Screen has been pretty nice. The curve is not too bad this time around. I have been avoiding all "waterfall" screens since the OP7P because of the glare and other annoyances that come with such screen but this one on the P7P is ok.
Picture quality is great, probably on par with the iphones and S22s. Video is ok. Antennas are ok, havent had issued so far. Phone can get pretty hot randomly though. Was uploading a couple videos to the cloud and it was taking forever, drained a decent amount of battery and was super hot. Killed the photos app and everything went back to normal. Also got pretty hot doing a couple other things but hopefully nothing serious.
Also, I dunno if its just my luck or maybe thats just the default behavior since Android 12 but I have been getting lots of app reflesh/reloads when switching between apps. So if I am browsing in the reddit app for example, switch to my browser to do a couple things online, maybe open a notes app and note something down, go back to reddit and it refreshes back from the top instead of where I left off. Switch back to the browser and the website would reload instead of resuming where I left off. 12gb of ram on this phone and even had 18gb on my Asus ROG phone but keeps happening. If someone knows how to resolve this, I would be super happy.
Will try playing CODM and see how that goes, havent found a phone that doesnt throttle too much. Everything with an SD 888 and newer has been throttling (yes I know this is not an SD chip).
Sorry for my long reply but wanted to share my experience. Overall, I still like this phone and will probably stay with it for the foreseeable future.

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Power button placement really annoys me. Why would anyone put a power button above the volume rocker? I keep hitting the volume up button thinking its power.
Screen has been pretty nice. The curve is not too bad this time around. I have been avoiding all "waterfall" screens since the OP7P because of the glare and other annoyances that come with such screen but this one on the P7P is ok.
Picture quality is great, probably on par with the iphones and S22s. Video is ok. Antennas are ok, havent had issued so far. Phone can get pretty hot randomly though. Was uploading a couple videos to the cloud and it was taking forever, drained a decent amount of battery and was super hot. Killed the photos app and everything went back to normal. Also got pretty hot doing a couple other things but hopefully nothing serious.
Also, I dunno if its just my luck or maybe thats just the default behavior since Android 12 but I have been getting lots of app reflesh/reloads when switching between apps. So if I am browsing in the reddit app for example, switch to my browser to do a couple things online, maybe open a notes app and note something down, go back to reddit and it refreshes back from the top instead of where I left off. Switch back to the browser and the website would reload instead of resuming where I left off. 12gb of ram on this phone and even had 18gb on my Asus ROG phone but keeps happening. If someone knows how to resolve this, I would be super happy.
Will try playing CODM and see how that goes, havent found a phone that doesnt throttle too much. Everything with an SD 888 and newer has been throttling (yes I know this is not an SD chip).
Sorry for my long reply but wanted to share my experience. Overall, I still like this phone and will probably stay with it for the foreseeable future.
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Ah yes, the power button in relation to the volume button is a little annoyance to but I figure you can get used to it eventually. Harder to take screenshots that way I've noticed. One definite positive to this phone compared to my last couple Samsung phones is the batter life. Seems to be much better in that regard for sure. Gaming is definitely better on other phones compared to this one for the more demanding titles. But unless you're into competitive gaming you won't notice much difference.

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Ah yes, the power button in relation to the volume button is a little annoyance to but I figure you can get used to it eventually. Harder to take screenshots that way I've noticed. One definite positive to this phone compared to my last couple Samsung phones is the batter life. Seems to be much better in that regard for sure. Gaming is definitely better on other phones compared to this one for the more demanding titles. But unless you're into competitive gaming you won't notice much difference.
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Yeah for sure. Not doing any competitive gaming but will for sure be a downgrade when compared to Asus RoG Phone 5S Pro. Just not sure how much of a downgrade. Battery possibly also since that phone had 6k mAh. But obviously 2 very different price points. I am surprised you are getting better battery on this phone than the Samsungs (I guess depends which models you used). However I avoid all Samsungs due to no rooting ability so I cant compare personally (but my wife has been using them without issue).
Button I will probably get used to... or at least use double tap more often.

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Yeah for sure. Not doing any competitive gaming but will for sure be a downgrade when compared to Asus RoG Phone 5S Pro. Just not sure how much of a downgrade. Battery possibly also since that phone had 6k mAh. But obviously 2 very different price points. I am surprised you are getting better battery on this phone than the Samsungs (I guess depends which models you used). However I avoid all Samsungs due to no rooting ability so I cant compare personally (but my wife has been using them without issue).
Button I will probably get used to... or at least use double tap more often.
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I was most recently using the z fold 4 be t before that the s22 ultra. Definitely good battery life but this pixel is about 10-15% better for me.

This Pixel 7 pro has been nothing shy of awesome for me! First year of no Google shipment delays, out the box the phone set up mirroring my old phone upon just signing in to my account. Screen is great, speed & fluidness is great, love the biometrics, no problems with battery life, etc.
Overall Pixel 7 pro is definitely the best Pixel to date for me. The camera bar actually looks much better in a case but that's just my perception. I also don't have issues with the power button as I've been using pixels for a while, which is funny because I thought it was perfect that they lowered the buttons a little this year which felt like perfect placement to me.
I've always had love for Samsung phones but they just don't do a good job to me at cohesively supplying a consistent product for "everyone".

manners400 said:
This Pixel 7 pro has been nothing shy of awesome for me! First year of no Google shipment delays, out the box the phone set up mirroring my old phone upon just signing in to my account. Screen is great, speed & fluidness is great, love the biometrics, no problems with battery life, etc.
Overall Pixel 7 pro is definitely the best Pixel to date for me. The camera bar actually looks much better in a case but that's just my perception. I also don't have issues with the power button as I've been using pixels for a while, which is funny because I thought it was perfect that they lowered the buttons a little this year which felt like perfect placement to me.
I've always had love for Samsung phones but they just don't do a good job to me at cohesively supplying a consistent product for "everyone".
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Yeah I agree with you, I think one of the most smooth launches.
This phone is a huge step up to the Pixel 6 Pro, even though the spec sheets don't really show it.
As others have mentioned here the Power button and volume buttons are in a strange place, I keep hitting the power button thinking I am going for the volume up. The location of these makes even less sense if you are using a car holder/cradle because most of these cover these buttons or even rock them while supported.
Camera is great for the little I have used it so far, am very impressed with the quality even with a decent amount of digital zoom
Bluetooth connectivity and reliability is my better than Pixel 6 Pro.

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Yeah for sure. Not doing any competitive gaming but will for sure be a downgrade when compared to Asus RoG Phone 5S Pro. Just not sure how much of a downgrade. Battery possibly also since that phone had 6k mAh. But obviously 2 very different price points. I am surprised you are getting better battery on this phone than the Samsungs (I guess depends which models you used). However I avoid all Samsungs due to no rooting ability so I cant compare personally (but my wife has been using them without issue).
Button I will probably get used to... or at least use double tap more often.
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I'm not. I'm getting considerably better battery life on this phone than I did on my S21 Ultra which was the phone I got the best battery life with from all the Samsung devices I owned, and the S21 Ultra in turn had a better battery life than the S22 Ultra if reports are to be believed. Although I can't confirm it personally as I've never owned the S22 Ultra.
Also, I'm sure you know but Samsung phones can be rooted, but it can't be done in a way which is non-traceable if a warranty repair is subsequently required. I speak from experience when I say it will be refused even if you unroot and relock the bootloader thanks to the Knox e-fuse.

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I'm not. I'm getting considerably better battery life on this phone than I did on my S21 Ultra which was the phone I got the best battery life with from all the Samsung devices I owned, and the S21 Ultra in turn had a better battery life than the S22 Ultra if reports are to be believed. Although I can't confirm it personally as I've never owned the S22 Ultra.
Also, I'm sure you know but Samsung phones can be rooted, but it can't be done in a way which is non-traceable if a warranty repair is subsequently required. I speak from experience when I say it will be refused even if you unroot and relock the bootloader thanks to the Knox e-fuse.
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S22 Ultra had similar battery life, but not better than Pixel 7 Pro at least with my own usage. I had S22 Ultra 30 days for testing only.
Also, Knox and their e-fuse is an issue outside of EU. In EU, tripping Knox or unlocking the bootloader doesn't affect the warranty.

I dunno, I miss the power button above. My P7P shipped a week early, so I'll have it by early next week! can't wait to see how it stacks up against my S22Ultra and OnePlus 7 Pro

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I'm not. I'm getting considerably better battery life on this phone than I did on my S21 Ultra which was the phone I got the best battery life with from all the Samsung devices I owned, and the S21 Ultra in turn had a better battery life than the S22 Ultra if reports are to be believed. Although I can't confirm it personally as I've never owned the S22 Ultra.
Also, I'm sure you know but Samsung phones can be rooted, but it can't be done in a way which is non-traceable if a warranty repair is subsequently required. I speak from experience when I say it will be refused even if you unroot and relock the bootloader thanks to the Knox e-fuse.
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I was under the impression that only Exynos version of Samsungs could be rooted and that it would trip Knox. I havent seen anything concrete about rooting a SnapDragon Samsung (at least not the last 4-5 years anyway).

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S22 Ultra had similar battery life, but not better than Pixel 7 Pro at least with my own usage. I had S22 Ultra 30 days for testing only.
Also, Knox and their e-fuse is an issue outside of EU. In EU, tripping Knox or unlocking the bootloader doesn't affect the warranty.
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A common misconception. It does. I've had a repair refused. Sure, I could perhaps take it further. Assuming I wanted to spend thousands on a court case.
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I was under the impression that only Exynos version of Samsungs could be rooted and that it would trip Knox. I havent seen anything concrete about rooting a SnapDragon Samsung (at least not the last 4-5 years anyway).
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To my knowledge Snapdragon Samsung phones can be rooted, providing you get one from a territory that doesn't have a locked down bootloader. The issue is that most Snapdragon Samsung phones in America are from providers like Verizon who lock down the bootloader, it's this that prevents root, not the SOC manufacturer.

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A common misconception. It does. I've had a repair refused. Sure, I could perhaps take it further. Assuming I wanted to spend thousands on a court case.
To my knowledge Snapdragon Samsung phones can be rooted, providing you get one from a territory that doesn't have a locked down bootloader. The issue is that most Snapdragon Samsung phones in America are from providers like Verizon who lock down the bootloader, it's this that prevents root, not the SOC manufacturer.
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Again, it doesn't in Europe Union, it's not a misconception. You're free to read the EU ruling on consumer protection. If the shop/store refused to do it, they're just scamming (or have no clue about this), but it's against the law.
You don't need to privately file a lawsuit in order for them to follow the LAW. There are government institutions that deal with this stuff, you just have to knock on a proper door (assuming that you live in Europe Union, because if not, that's a different issue).

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To my knowledge Snapdragon Samsung phones can be rooted, providing you get one from a territory that doesn't have a locked down bootloader. The issue is that most Snapdragon Samsung phones in America are from providers like Verizon who lock down the bootloader, it's this that prevents root, not the SOC manufacturer.
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Ehhhh... Samsung locks them down when ordered directly from them as well. There have been exploits but most of the newer phones, there is a dude who charges people to unlock them.

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Again, it doesn't in Europe Union, it's not a misconception. You're free to read the EU ruling on consumer protection. If the shop/store refused to do it, they're just scamming (or have no clue about this), but it's against the law.
You don't need to privately file a lawsuit in order for them to follow the LAW. There are government institutions that deal with this stuff, you just have to knock on a proper door (assuming that you live in Europe Union, because if not, that's a different issue).
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I can only assume you haven't dealt with a big corporation like Samsung. Knocking on a "proper door" won't make a difference, the amount of red tape you would need to go through renders it not worth the bother unless you have a determination on principle. And even then it won't be easy or quick. Then they'd likely still refuse and deal with the consequences.
Big business don't care about consumer rights, law or no law.

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Ehhhh... Samsung locks them down when ordered directly from them as well. There have been exploits but most of the newer phones, there is a dude who charges people to unlock them.
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I've rooted my Exynos s22u bought directly from Samsung, no problems (apart from Knox) Are we talking about SD here?

ekin_strops said:
Again, it doesn't in Europe Union, it's not a misconception. You're free to read the EU ruling on consumer protection. If the shop/store refused to do it, they're just scamming (or have no clue about this), but it's against the law.
You don't need to privately file a lawsuit in order for them to follow the LAW. There are government institutions that deal with this stuff, you just have to knock on a proper door (assuming that you live in Europe Union, because if not, that's a different issue).
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I can only assume you haven't dealt with a big corporation like Samsung. Knocking on a "proper door" won't make a difference, the amount of red tape you would need to go through renders it not worth the bother unless you have a determination on principle. And even then it won't be easy or quick. Then they'd likely still refuse and deal with the consequences.
Big business don't care about consumer rights, law or no law.
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I could be wrong, but I believe what @ekin_strops meant about "Knock[ing] on a 'proper door'" is to go after the "small shop/store", not the whole Samsung corporation on the matter of repairing a knox tripped device in the EU.....
I can imagine the "red tape" and litigation to try and make that happen, honestly would probably lead to Samsung not even implementing knox to trip when unlocking the bootloader to begin with, but they have their reasonings (mostly to market their security capabilities as well as appease carriers) to do this and I doubt they'd let it go easily.....

Beefheart said:
I can only assume you haven't dealt with a big corporation like Samsung. Knocking on a "proper door" won't make a difference, the amount of red tape you would need to go through renders it not worth the bother unless you have a determination on principle. And even then it won't be easy or quick. Then they'd likely still refuse and deal with the consequences.
Big business don't care about consumer rights, law or no law.
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That's why also big corporations like Apple need to switch to Type-C (in EU) because no one cares about the law, right? lol
I literally never got refused a repair from Samsung (In Germany) even though I OPENLY and CLEARLY mentioned that the Knox is tripped due to running custom binaries, literally sent the device in while it was rooted.
I'm not sure about your experiences, but in Germany, the law works pretty well, and regardless of how big a "company" is, if the law is on your side, there is no one scamming you out of your RIGHT to repair under warranty as it's stated in the LAW and the RIGHT for the WARRANTY under any of the mentioned circumstances.