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So I have a black Nexus 5 with a capacity of 16GB. The device is only about 4 months old, so I still have it covered with warranty until June 2016. The device is as good as new and I'm very happy with it because everything is so fast and smooth.
Recently I've been thinking about rooting the device for maybe some little extras. For example, I have GTA SA installed but I would like to play it with the Cleo mod to have a little bit more fun. Or maybe I'll install some kind of adblocker so I could enjoy my brand new phone without the annoying gold diggers. Or perhaps I want to hide some apps from my app drawer so it would look neat and organised. Or I would like to install an apk that isn't available for non-rooted devices. Or in case I want to see the battery percentage next to the time display or anything like that.
As you can see I would only want to root it for rather small reasons. I definitely don't want to overclock anything because it already meets my criteria for speed, nor do I want to install any custom ROMs because I really like the pure android experience. So I have a few questions because I'm a total noob at the field of tweaking android:
Is my current data going to be wiped if I would want to root it?
I'm aware of the upcoming Android L release, so would I be able to update it right away (remember, I'm not going to use any custom ROMs) or would I have to unroot and reset everything first?
In case something goes wrong and I want to use my warranty, could any traces be found after I would have unrooted the device? (because rooting voids your warranty, right?)
What would be the top reasons to root the Nexus 5? For example, any features the device should've had but unfortunately hasn't.
And is it actually 100% safe...?
So regarding to the last question... A friend of mine has a rooted Moto G, he made me familiar with rooting and it's probably thanks to him that I'm considering it. Everything was going well but there were a few times that he woke up and his phone wasn't worth more than a brick. Apparently, it was because of some ROM he installed. This probably won't affect me in any way because like I said, I'm not going to install any custom ROMs, but my friend expected everything to be normal while it wasn't. He probably did everything like it should be done but then he suddenly woke up with a brick next to his head. So apparently, even if you do everything exactly like they tell you to do it, there's still a slight chance that it's going to end up badly, right?
So basically, I'm considering rooting my device but I'm still not sure what I would have to do because there are lots of tutorials and everything is quite confusing and I have some questions. All the help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!
root/unlockbootloader/install twrp&busybox no data loss
root/unlockbootloader/install twrp&busybox no data loss without P.C, okay here we go mod's remove if you think it's not helping. download towelroot by geohot,now the rest from playstore, es file exploer,super su,busybox,reboot app,nexus unlock bootloader,
make sure you have security unknowen sources ticked and verify apps unticked.
download towelroot from chrome with es file exploer open and install hit make it rain tab, next install busybox,next install super su app.unlockbootloader with in the app.,install twrp and auto install recovery for hammerhead from twrp, now you should have full root after reboot.super user and busybox unlocked bootloader and twrp installed, and you know what the reboot app is for . no data loss and without a P.C, or you could use fastboot install just look in Q&A, kind regard's joe hope this help's.
Spaceblow said:
Is my current data going to be wiped if I would want to root it?
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Yep; when you unlock bootloader of your device (before root), all of data will be wiped.
Spaceblow said:
I'm aware of the upcoming Android L release, so would I be able to update it right away (remember, I'm not going to use any custom ROMs) or would I have to unroot and reset everything first?
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Nope. When you upgrade to Android L, it might be overwrite existing system clearly.
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In case something goes wrong and I want to use my warranty, could any traces be found after I would have unrooted the device? (because rooting voids your warranty, right?)
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We are using Google Nexus. Just revert with Nexus Factory Image.
http://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
Spaceblow said:
What would be the top reasons to root the Nexus 5? For example, any features the device should've had but unfortunately hasn't.
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In my case, to connect NTFS filesystem.
Spaceblow said:
And is it actually 100% safe...?
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Maybe, but it's at your own risk.
Jongmin Kim said:
Yep; when you unlock your device (before root), all of data will be wiped.
Nope. When you upgrade to Android L, it might be overwrite existing system clearly.
No. We are using Google Nexus. Just revert with Nexus Factory Image.
http://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
In my case, to connect NTFS filesystem.
Maybe, but it's at your own risk.
English is too difficult... I'm trying to understand right now.
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root and then unlock bootloader with the app from playstore. has to be this way. regard's p.s no data wiped ,
Spaceblow said:
So I have a black Nexus 5 with a capacity of 16GB. The device is only about 4 months old, so I still have it covered with warranty until June 2016. The device is as good as new and I'm very happy with it because everything is so fast and smooth.
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First of all:
Lethargy said:
I think OP got his question reversed. Should be:
"Why buy a Nexus 5 if you're not going to root?"
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Spaceblow said:
So I have a few questions because I'm a total noob at the field of tweaking android:
Is my current data going to be wiped if I would want to root it?
I'm aware of the upcoming Android L release, so would I be able to update it right away (remember, I'm not going to use any custom ROMs) or would I have to unroot and reset everything first?
In case something goes wrong and I want to use my warranty, could any traces be found after I would have unrooted the device? (because rooting voids your warranty, right?)
What would be the top reasons to root the Nexus 5? For example, any features the device should've had but unfortunately hasn't.
And is it actually 100% safe...?
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1. Unlocking the bootloader is what wipes the data partition, not root access.
2. Don't bother with OTAs to update, they're too much of a bother to try to get to work, when you can just flash factory images/zip, most likely before you even get the OTA pushed to you.
3. Depends where you bought it from. If you got it off the Play Store, then Google does not care about the software you have on your device as long as it's a legitimate manufacturing fault covered by the warranty. You can RMA to Google with a custom ROM and kernel if you wanted to. If you bought it from elsewhere, You'll have to send it to LG for repair. It's possible to reflash factory images and reset the tamper flag, there isn't anything else on the Nexus 5 that will tell LG anything. The easiest way is using LG Flashtool, which can be found in the first link of my signature. If your device is completely dead however, it doesn't matter since LG wouldn't be able to boot it up.
4. Root access is simply root access. You get access to /system, and therefore can use root apps and other modifications.
5. The root process itself is pretty much 100% safe. The Nexus 5 is really, really hard to brick, unless you flash something that isn't meant for your device or something similar, so user error is the only risk in the process. Software-wise, of course root access comes at some form of a security risk. Just be sure of what apps you're granting root access to and you should have no problem.
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So regarding to the last question... A friend of mine has a rooted Moto G, he made me familiar with rooting and it's probably thanks to him that I'm considering it. Everything was going well but there were a few times that he woke up and his phone wasn't worth more than a brick. Apparently, it was because of some ROM he installed. This probably won't affect me in any way because like I said, I'm not going to install any custom ROMs, but my friend expected everything to be normal while it wasn't. He probably did everything like it should be done but then he suddenly woke up with a brick next to his head. So apparently, even if you do everything exactly like they tell you to do it, there's still a slight chance that it's going to end up badly, right?
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Most likely user error, or simply because a Moto device could be locked down more (which also makes it riskier and harder to restore) and not as easy to develop for. The Nexus 5 is one of the hardest devices to brick (again, excluding user error), and if you have any issues it would either be user error or a bug in the ROM/kernel.
Spaceblow said:
So basically, I'm considering rooting my device but I'm still not sure what I would have to do because there are lots of tutorials and everything is quite confusing and I have some questions. All the help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!
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Check out the first link of my signature and read some threads before proceeding blindly.
There are ways to gain root access without unlocking the bootloader and without a PC as mentioned above, but it's recommended to do it the traditional way by backing up your internal storage to a PC first and using fastboot. Those methods are useful for other devices that are more locked down. This is a Nexus device, it's better to do it properly.
Lethargy said:
First of all:
1. Unlocking the bootloader is what wipes the data partition, not root access.
2. Don't bother with OTAs to update, they're too much of a bother to try to get to work, when you can just flash factory images/zip, most likely before you even get the OTA pushed to you.
3. Depends where you bought it from. If you got it off the Play Store, then Google does not care about the software you have on your device as long as it's a legitimate manufacturing fault covered by the warranty. You can RMA to Google with a custom ROM and kernel if you wanted to. If you bought it from elsewhere, You'll have to send it to LG for repair. It's possible to reflash factory images and reset the tamper flag, there isn't anything else on the Nexus 5 that will tell LG anything. The easiest way is using LG Flashtool, which can be found in the first link of my signature. If your device is completely dead however, it doesn't matter since LG wouldn't be able to boot it up.
4. Root access is simply root access. You get access to /system, and therefore can use root apps and other modifications.
5. The root process itself is pretty much 100% safe. The Nexus 5 is really, really hard to brick, unless you flash something that isn't meant for your device or something similar, so user error is the only risk in the process. Software-wise, of course root access comes at some form of a security risk. Just be sure of what apps you're granting root access to and you should have no problem.
Most likely user error, or simply because a Moto device could be locked down more (which also makes it riskier and harder to restore). The Nexus 5 is one of the hardest devices to brick (again, excluding user error), and if you have any issues it would either be user error or a bug in the ROM/kernel.
Check out the first link of my signature and read some threads before proceeding blindly.
There are ways to gain root access without unlocking the bootloader and without a PC as mentioned above, but it's recommended to do it the traditional way by backing up your internal storage to a PC first and using fastboot. Those methods are useful for other devices that are more locked down. This is a Nexus device, it's better to do it properly.
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lol yeah i have to agree with you, but i find this help's when on the go,
joecool666 said:
lol yeah i have to agree with you, but i find this help's when on the go,
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If you don't have access to a PC, or you're using a locked-down Samsung/HTC/Moto/Sony/whatever device, then sure, go ahead and use the exploit methods.
But if you do have access to a PC, and it's a Nexus device, just do it properly, it'll cause fewer possible issues.
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If you don't have access to a PC, or you're using a locked-down Samsung/HTC/Moto/Sony/whatever device, then sure, go ahead and use the exploit methods.
But if you do have access to a PC, and it's a Nexus device, just do it properly, it'll cause fewer possible issues.
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i do use my p.c and lg flashtool and fastboot.just incase lol.and it is the better way of doing it, p.s when OTG rooting don't forget to bring the XDA app.
joecool666 said:
root and then unlock bootloader with the app from playstore. has to be this way. regard's p.s no data wiped ,
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You mean Towelroot? I'm also considering this option because it would be nice to keep all my data.
Lethargy said:
First of all:
1. Unlocking the bootloader is what wipes the data partition, not root access.
2. Don't bother with OTAs to update, they're too much of a bother to try to get to work, when you can just flash factory images/zip, most likely before you even get the OTA pushed to you.
3. Depends where you bought it from. If you got it off the Play Store, then Google does not care about the software you have on your device as long as it's a legitimate manufacturing fault covered by the warranty. You can RMA to Google with a custom ROM and kernel if you wanted to. If you bought it from elsewhere, You'll have to send it to LG for repair. It's possible to reflash factory images and reset the tamper flag, there isn't anything else on the Nexus 5 that will tell LG anything. The easiest way is using LG Flashtool, which can be found in the first link of my signature. If your device is completely dead however, it doesn't matter since LG wouldn't be able to boot it up.
4. Root access is simply root access. You get access to /system, and therefore can use root apps and other modifications.
5. The root process itself is pretty much 100% safe. The Nexus 5 is really, really hard to brick, unless you flash something that isn't meant for your device or something similar, so user error is the only risk in the process. Software-wise, of course root access comes at some form of a security risk. Just be sure of what apps you're granting root access to and you should have no problem.
Most likely user error, or simply because a Moto device could be locked down more (which also makes it riskier and harder to restore) and not as easy to develop for. The Nexus 5 is one of the hardest devices to brick (again, excluding user error), and if you have any issues it would either be user error or a bug in the ROM/kernel.
Check out the first link of my signature and read some threads before proceeding blindly.
There are ways to gain root access without unlocking the bootloader and without a PC as mentioned above, but it's recommended to do it the traditional way by backing up your internal storage to a PC first and using fastboot. Those methods are useful for other devices that are more locked down. This is a Nexus device, it's better to do it properly.
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This is some great information, thank you very much! So in case I would want to do it manually, this thread has everything I need (in combination with the 15 seconds ADB Installer)?
Spaceblow said:
This is some great information, thank you very much! So in case I would want to do it manually, this thread has everything I need (in combination with the 15 seconds ADB Installer)?
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Yep. :good: I also recommend using TWRP instead of CWM as your recovery. PhilZ Touch is also another good alternative, but it is no longer maintained and probably won't work for Lollipop's default encryption.
Latest SuperSU is located here, flashable in a custom recovery.
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Yep. :good: I also recommend using TWRP instead of CWM as your recovery. PhilZ Touch is also another good alternative, but it is no longer maintained and probably won't work for Lollipop's default encryption.
Latest SuperSU is located here, flashable in a custom recovery.
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Thanks for helping me but I used Towelroot and it works flawlessly!
Spaceblow said:
Thanks for helping me but I used Towelroot and it works flawlessly!
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Cool. :good:
Even though you now have root access, I recommend using Bootunlocker or whatever app to unlock the bootloader from within Android (which doesn't wipe), then flashing a custom recovery with fastboot while in the bootloader anyways.
Why?
If something goes wrong and your phone doesn't boot, you'll have no choice but to unlock the bootloader WITH a wipe using fastboot, then flash a custom recovery or reflash factory images, unless you've done the above, in which case you can dirty-flash (no wipe) a stock ROM zip downloadable here. :angel:
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Spaceblow said:
Thanks for helping me but I used Towelroot and it works flawlessly!
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make sure you make a back up back up most important,regard's joe
To be clear, the *whole* phone including your sdcard partition will be wiped so make sure you back up before unlocking your bootloader. I would use an app like ES File Explorer and copy all your files to Dropbox or Google Drive if you dont have a computer but you'll need a computer anyway.
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To be clear, the *whole* phone including your sdcard partition will be wiped
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If we want to be clear, we should also be accurate. The *whole* phone is not wiped. The /data partition is wiped, which includes /data/app (where user apps are stored) /data/data (where user settings and app data is stored) and /data/media (where /sdcard data is stored)
Lethargy said:
Cool. :good:
Even though you now have root access, I recommend using Bootunlocker or whatever app to unlock the bootloader from within Android (which doesn't wipe), then flashing a custom recovery with fastboot while in the bootloader anyways.
Why?
If something goes wrong and your phone doesn't boot, you'll have no choice but to unlock the bootloader WITH a wipe using fastboot, then flash a custom recovery or reflash factory images, unless you've done the above, in which case you can dirty-flash (no wipe) a stock ROM zip downloadable here. :angel:
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Thanks for the tip but then I'll be unable to receive OTA updates unless I restore everything, including everything being wiped, right?
joecool666 said:
make sure you make a back up back up most important,regard's joe
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By using Titanium Backup?
Spaceblow said:
Thanks for the tip but then I'll be unable to receive OTA updates unless I restore everything, including everything being wiped, right?
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All guides and info threads are in my signature. One such INFO thread is OTA help-desk, which explains that you can receive OTA with custom recovery, however there are extra steps.
However, please let me explain 1 thing. OTA is the ultimate noob move. Only root-noobs receive OTA updates. They are the most inconvenient method of updating your OS if you are rooted. Long before you even receive the OTA update, there will be a pre-rooted flashable.zip that can be flashed via recovery.
noobs will often say "but..but..but I wont have to wipe if I accept an OTA"... Little do they know... Even after an official OTA, things screw up. Whenever an OS is upgraded, a wipe is highly recommended as OTA's are imperfect and data between apps and settings conflicts between versions.
OTA is a fools errand if you're rooted. Now you're rooted, leave OTA to the unrooted and learn to manage your rooted device properly. All the info you could ever need is available in my signature as previously mentioned.
Spaceblow said:
Thanks for the tip but then I'll be unable to receive OTA updates unless I restore everything, including everything being wiped, right?
By using Titanium Backup?
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or helium back up
Owning a Nexus makes fastboot your best friend, especially if you have issues.
Read up on adb/fastboot and forget OTA's. Nothing like a clean fresh install of a new version. And there's many options to save /backup your data and important files.
Without learning fastboot and adb.... Simple fix issues can become major headaches.
Don't be intimidated. Read, learn, then do. ?
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@rootSU has everything you need in his sticky roll up thread.
rootSU said:
All guides and info threads are in my signature. One such INFO thread is OTA help-desk, which explains that you can receive OTA with custom recovery, however there are extra steps.
However, please let me explain 1 thing. OTA is the ultimate noob move. Only root-noobs receive OTA updates. They are the most inconvenient method of updating your OS if you are rooted. Long before you even receive the OTA update, there will be a pre-rooted flashable.zip that can be flashed via recovery.
noobs will often say "but..but..but I wont have to wipe if I accept an OTA"... Little do they know... Even after an official OTA, things screw up. Whenever an OS is upgraded, a wipe is highly recommended as OTA's are imperfect and data between apps and settings conflicts between versions.
OTA is a fools errand if you're rooted. Now you're rooted, leave OTA to the unrooted and learn to manage your rooted device properly. All the info you could ever need is available in my signature as previously mentioned.
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Well, you convinced me to take my N5 to a step further.
So I already Towelrooted my phone which gave me root access and an untouched bootloader and recovery. My next step would be to backup every app and all data to be sure in case something goes wrong, this would be done by using Titanium Backup. Then I should be unlocking the bootloader by simply using BootUnlocker for Nexus Devices so I wouldn't get my data wiped (I know I would be able to restore it with my backup but I rather do it a bit faster and less complex). When I did that, I have to head over to this thread and flash TWRP by following the instructions at "2. Installing a Custom Recovery".
So after all these steps my phone would have no limitations and it would be as unlocked as for example your Nexus 5, right?
Just seen this by droid modder x on YouTube will this work on our device I don't wanna screw my device up that's why I'm asking here's the link too
http://droidmodderx.com/how-to-root-any-and-all-android-devices-with-one-click-root-app
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I would follow this guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/guides-bacon-timmaaas-how-to-guides-t2839471
^this will help you do the unlock, root, flash for our amazing phone. Also there are rootkits and some people say to not use them but that is a personal preference.
But would that screw up the device if I did use the king root app ?
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ward24 said:
But would that screw up the device if I did use the king root app ?
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The question is why would you even use that app when you don't need to? Exploits and hacks aren't needed on this phone, all you need to do is go to my guide that you've been linked to above and follow the instructions to unlock your bootloader and root your device.
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Yes sir!!!
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Rooted now thanks Heisenberg!
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Good Morning, just a little information, there is no way to install super SU zip file with the stock cyanogen recovery? I need root to change timestamp of some video files that I copied into my OPO (MTP chaged all of them to the date of when i copied these files) and a rooted phone is the only option.
Thanks.
kingnappa said:
Good Morning, just a little information, there is no way to install super SU zip file with the stock cyanogen recovery? I need root to change timestamp of some video files that I copied into my OPO (MTP chaged all of them to the date of when i copied these files) and a rooted phone is the only option.
Thanks.
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No, you can't flash SuperSU with the stock recovery. You need to unlock your bootloader and install TWRP.
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Heisenberg said:
No, you can't flash SuperSU with the stock recovery. You need to unlock your bootloader and install TWRP.
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That's what I thought, thanks.
BTW has anyone used thik Kingroot app? Does it work? Because I don't want to unlock bootloader and lose everything again just for my videos-
kingnappa said:
That's what I thought, thanks.
BTW has anyone used thik Kingroot app? Does it work? Because I don't want to unlock bootloader and lose everything again just for my videos-
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You don't have to lose everything, just back it up first. Of course you probably wouldn't be in this position if you had properly researched the phone when you decided to buy it.
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Kingroot does not root opo. Have tested several times. Maybe I was unlucky
I don't get why it is preferable to root by unlocking the bootloader and losing all apps+settings in the process when the kingroot method would provide root without losing apps+settings...
galmok said:
I don't get why it is preferable to root by unlocking the bootloader and losing all apps+settings in the process when the kingroot method would provide root without losing apps+settings...
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Because Kingroot is an exploit, it's a hack. It's like smashing a window to get inside your house when all you need to do is open the front door (unlock bootloader, root). On top of that, unlocking the bootloader is how it was designed to be done. Also, I don't get why people even lose any data or apps by unlocking the bootloader in the first place. Anyone with any sense researches their phone properly before jumping in and knows to unlock the bootloader before committing any data to it. The fact that unlocking wipes the device isn't even specific to this phone, it's a standard across all Android devices, so anyone who's modifying their device should know this anyway.
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Because Kingroot is an exploit, it's a hack. It's like smashing a window to get inside your house when all you need to do is open the front door (unlock bootloader, root). Also, I don't get why people even lose any data or apps by unlocking the bootloader in the first place. Anyone with any sense researches their phone properly before jumping in and knows to unlock the bootloader before committing any data to it. The fact that unlocking wipes the device isn't even specific to this phone, it's a standard across all Android devices, so anyone who's modifying their device should know this anyway.
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Actually, with my Samsung Galaxy S2 (previous phone), all I had to do was install an update via builtin bootloader and I was rooted without having unlocked the bootloader. Worked great. I assumed the OnePlus (my current Android) would offer the same. Too late did I learn that unlocking the bootloader would erase everything. It wasn't even possible to make a backup of everything, locking me in the non-root position. So, if KingRoot can root my phone, this is clearly a great option as it would allow me to make a full backup of the phone (and restore should it be necessary, e.g. after unlocking bootloader). Exploits/hacks are not bad. Often they offer features not available otherwise, like KingRoot's non-destructive rooting.
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Actually, with my Samsung Galaxy S2 (previous phone), all I had to do was install an update via builtin bootloader and I was rooted without having unlocked the bootloader. Worked great. I assumed the OnePlus (my current Android) would offer the same. Too late did I learn that unlocking the bootloader would erase everything. It wasn't even possible to make a backup of everything, locking me in the non-root position. So, if KingRoot can root my phone, this is clearly a great option as it would allow me to make a full backup of the phone (and restore should it be necessary, e.g. after unlocking bootloader). Exploits/hacks are not bad. Often they offer features not available otherwise, like KingRoot's non-destructive rooting.
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Actually, the entire reason you had to root that way with your Samsung is because they've locked the bootloader down so that it cannot be unlocked. That's actually why exploits like Kingroot exist in the first place, in order to root devices that cannot be rooted in the normal way. As I said, if you had done the proper research in the first place you wouldn't be in the position you're in now. Exploits aren't bad, they have a place, they have a reason to exist, but it isn't to root devices like this which are open and able to be rooted in the way that was always intended.
I see a lot of ex Samsung users complaining that they have to go through the process of unlocking the bootloader and all that to root the phone, and complaining that their usual exploit doesn't work, not realising the whole time that they've got it completely backwards; the exploit is the round-about way of doing things, unlocking the bootloader is the intended way of doing things.
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Having the bootloader unlocked is essential for insurance purposes too. If you have trouble with your phone in future and need to flash the stock images because it won't boot you'll be forced to unlock the bootloader to do so. You won't be able to salvage any data from the phone. It's better to do it now when you actually have some control over the situation.
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Actually, the entire reason you had to root that way with your Samsung is because they've locked the bootloader down so that it cannot be unlocked. That's actually why exploits like Kingroot exist in the first place, in order to root devices that cannot be rooted in the normal way. As I said, if you had done the proper research in the first place you wouldn't be in the position you're in now. Exploits aren't bad, they have a place, they have a reason to exist, but it isn't to root devices like this which are open and able to be rooted in the way that was always intended.
I see a lot of ex Samsung users complaining that they have to go through the process of unlocking the bootloader and all that to root the phone, and complaining that their usual exploit doesn't work, not realising the whole time that they've got it completely backwards; the exploit is the round-about way of doing things, unlocking the bootloader is the intended way of doing things.
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Well, at least my OnePlus (11s) could be rooted without having the bootloader unlocked. This is perfect for me, as I should still be able to get OTA firmware upgrades (not possible as far as I have read about unlocking the bootloader and installing a custom bootloader to root). Of course, this method relies on vulnerabilities, and are not always going to be there. So I have to make a choice:
1) Hope rooting via hacks is enough and always available, but also get OTA.
2) Unlock bootloader etc., lose all files and settings (start from scratch), not get OTA, use lots of time to get apps/contacts/photos/settings back.
I don't have time for #2 which is why I am (was) still unrooted. #1 took 2 minutes (1 minut of waiting) with kingroot and for now is good enough. I will begin using a decent backup program (instead of adb backup) so I can make a hopefully smooth transition to the unlocked/replaced bootloader case.
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Oh, and the only reason I rooted was to get more details about unwanted battery usage (BetterBatteryStats).
galmok said:
Well, at least my OnePlus (11s) could be rooted without having the bootloader unlocked. This is perfect for me, as I should still be able to get OTA firmware upgrades (not possible as far as I have read about unlocking the bootloader and installing a custom bootloader to root). Of course, this method relies on vulnerabilities, and are not always going to be there. So I have to make a choice:
1) Hope rooting via hacks is enough and always available, but also get OTA.
2) Unlock bootloader etc., lose all files and settings (start from scratch), not get OTA, use lots of time to get apps/contacts/photos/settings back.
I don't have time for #2 which is why I am (was) still unrooted. #1 took 2 minutes (1 minut of waiting) with kingroot and for now is good enough. I will begin using a decent backup program (instead of adb backup) so I can make a hopefully smooth transition to the unlocked/replaced bootloader case.
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Oh, and the only reason I rooted was to get more details about unwanted battery usage (BetterBatteryStats).
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You can still get OTA updates with an unlocked bootloader and root, where did you read otherwise? Whoever said that is dead wrong. You might wanna read the edit I made to my post above too.
So i rooted my s6 thinking that it would be like a jailbreak and i was wrong.. can someone give me a link to a video or some info on how to unroot it. Thanks!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3096000
Might be a place to start.
Normally this is something you look at before rooting you device so you know how to if you run into problems
Go into super su app and choose full unroot
I second what krelvinaz said, head over to that thread and start back to stock and start fresh
bash_array said:
Go into super su app and choose full unroot
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I was going to use the SuperSu to do the Full unroot. If I did that, then installed the current Verizon OTA, could I then re-root using pingpong? Or does this OTA disable the ability to root again? I've read so many posts and articles from various sources, some say yes, some say no. The more I dig the more conflicting info I find.
The only reason I rooted in the first place was to swap out the mixer_paths.xml file. I'm curious if the OTA will wipe that moded file out. But that's probably another discussion.
Thanks
I rooted first and a day later took ota. After ota pingpong root just needed to "download data" or whatever then root worked fine.
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jboogie555 said:
I rooted first and a day later took ota. After ota pingpong root just needed to "download data" or whatever then root worked fine.
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Really? Bummer, mine isn't taking the update. I've tried several times and it just fails after the download and after the reboot to install. Nothing bad happens after that, it just boots up like normal. Then it harasses me again and again to do the update.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61279830
Easy process
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Really? Bummer, mine isn't taking the update. I've tried several times and it just fails after the download and after the reboot to install. Nothing bad happens after that, it just boots up like normal. Then it harasses me again and again to do the update.
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I think what you are talking about is you were rooted and tried to take the Ota and it wouldn't install correct? If that's the case, yeah you have to unroot or Odin the new version then reboot.
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Use the verizon upgrade utility that is on your phone when it's plugged in as an installer. Make sure your battery is charged all the way too.
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I think what you are talking about is you were rooted and tried to take the Ota and it wouldn't install correct? If that's the case, yeah you have to unroot or Odin the new version then reboot.
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Thanks a lot for your help!
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Use the verizon upgrade utility that is on your phone when it's plugged in as an installer. Make sure your battery is charged all the way too.
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That did the trick! Thanks so much. It worked just like it should have. Afterwards I did have to rerun pingpong, but that took about 2 seconds and I'm back to normal now with the update. Thanks a million!
I did that, as I usually do when I sell my phones.... It bricked it and I could reinstall stock.
Unrooting options
To summarize the unrooting options:
1. Unroot with SuperSu - By some reports this method does not work
2. Odin stock rom - Wipes the device and data, ?trips knox?
3. Use the Verizon Update Utility - Upgrades the devices to latest OTA
I am on 5.02 Stock (AOC3), rooted, Knox not tripped.
I am really not interested in wiping my device or updating to the latest OTA.
What I want to do is *temporarily* unroot to see if I can get Android Pay working again.
Has anyone had any luck with method 1 above? If android pay and your credit cards are activated/verified while unrooted, can you then re-root and still have Android Pay work?
I really miss using Android Pay... but not enough to lose root!!!
If you go into the superuser app and click the enable superuser to turn it off you can activate a card with android pay. You won't lose root this way.
I did that with my bank card and once my card was listed in Android pay I reenabled superuser and everything works fine.
I'm also using root cloaker but I don't know if it's needed.
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Awesome!!! That was too easy.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
@dobosininja
Is your android pay still working? I was able to use Android pay for only a short period ~1 day. Now I get the message "This card cannot be used right now" It doesn't matter what card I use or whether SuperSU is enabled. Maybe it is detecting SuperSU itself.
What app / procedure did you use for cloaking? Did it trip your knox?
Thanks!
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@dobosininja
Is your android pay still working? I was able to use Android pay for only a short period ~1 day. Now I get the message "This card cannot be used right now" It doesn't matter what card I use or whether SuperSU is enabled. Maybe it is detecting SuperSU itself.
What app / procedure did you use for cloaking? Did it trip your knox?
Thanks!
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Mine is still showing my card being attached, but I have not used it lately.
I am using root cloak plus, but I can't guarantee it works.
My knox is not tripped since I rooted with ping pong that didn't trip it.
sdpluth said:
@dobosininja
Is your android pay still working? I was able to use Android pay for only a short period ~1 day. Now I get the message "This card cannot be used right now" It doesn't matter what card I use or whether SuperSU is enabled. Maybe it is detecting SuperSU itself.
What app / procedure did you use for cloaking? Did it trip your knox?
Thanks!
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If I'm correct, the Token needs to refresh from time to time. It may be that that process is detecting the root.
I'd try the Root Cloak he mentioned.
it is said this Dirty COW vulnerability is affected almost all Android devices, so is it possible to use this Dirty COW to get a temp root for Xperia XZ ?
Believe me, you are not the only one, who hopes that
Read on here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/security/dirty-cow-t3484879
Sorry if this is a derail, but what exactly is the point of a temp root? Would you be able to temporarily root the phone, then run something like Adaway, restart ->unroot, but still have all the adblocking capability? Without affecting bootloader and android pay etc?
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Sorry if this is a derail, but what exactly is the point of a temp root? Would you be able to temporarily root the phone, then run something like Adaway, restart ->unroot, but still have all the adblocking capability? Without affecting bootloader and android pay etc?
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temp root is for backup TA/drm partition before unlock bootloader, that means you will not lose warranty even unlocked bootloader 'cuz you can restore TA partition any time you want
BloodEdge said:
temp root is for backup TA/drm partition before unlock bootloader, that means you will not lose warranty even unlocked bootloader 'cuz you can restore TA partition any time you want
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Aaah, that makes sense. In this case though, would my example of running a one-time root app like Adaway work?
maidguitar said:
Aaah, that makes sense. In this case though, would my example of running a one-time root app like Adaway work?
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no idea honestly, but though you have already backup TA so why not just unlock bootloader and let it root permanently:silly:
BloodEdge said:
no idea honestly, but though you have already backup TA so why not just unlock bootloader and let it root permanently:silly:
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I want to keep android pay functionality, and it looks like the latest updates to pay check for unlocked bootloader, etc.
So I was thinking to do whatever root things I need, like Adaway hosts file patch, TiBu backup/restores, and then reboot to get rid of root.
maidguitar said:
I want to keep android pay functionality, and it looks like the latest updates to pay check for unlocked bootloader, etc.
So I was thinking to do whatever root things I need, like Adaway hosts file patch, TiBu backup/restores, and then reboot to get rid of root.
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hmmmm, maybe you should check about Magisk
maidguitar said:
I want to keep android pay functionality, and it looks like the latest updates to pay check for unlocked bootloader, etc.
So I was thinking to do whatever root things I need, like Adaway hosts file patch, TiBu backup/restores, and then reboot to get rid of root.
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I like the concept. Intrigued. But doubtful perhaps
Was speaking to someone about this recently.
WIll post if anything comes from it.
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it is said this Dirty COW vulnerability is affected almost all Android devices, so is it possible to use this Dirty COW to get a temp root for Xperia XZ ?
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I don't see it happening anytime soon on any xperia x devices temp root or full locked bootloader root+recovery no one seems to care all I ever get is use the DRM-fix been waiting 4mths for a way to back up the ta keys/get lb root
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This is just sad... Im faced with a decision I dont want to make.. which is NOT get a Sony phone...... What is wrong with these companies? They think we want to pay 700$ and not beable to use it the way WE WANT? come on ! this is just ridiculous.... Ill just have to buy a older phone, newer models mostly all of them, the ones i really want, are not dev friendly...
Old discussions... Just realize there is a very small amount of people needing root. Also on this point you have to discuss the question of security - rooting.
Good morning guys. The vulnerability is still out there.. could be possible to achieve temp root to backup TA partition?
If someone roots, I have heard that many apps stop working. My question is, if the device is then unrooted, will those apps still work considering the fact that knox will remain tripped? I'm not referring to Samsung Pay, but rather apps from the playstore.
Yes, using magisk you can run all of the applications...
Few may need workaround but possible
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Yes, using magisk you can run all of the applications...
Few may need workaround but possible
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Right, but after unrooting will the apps work as normal? Since I cant use magisk if I decide to go back to stock
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Right, but after unrooting will the apps work as normal? Since I cant use magisk if I decide to go back to stock
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Just stay stock if you want all the Samsung pay etc to work.
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Just stay stock if you want all the Samsung pay etc to work.
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I hope I don't sound noob but coming from a 6p, i believe I am. I am new to samsung(even hated the idea of having one just as i hate iphones...) but was a gift and am lovin' it. I read a lot about rooting the s8+. Even got all the tools I found through a walkthrough to achieve root on my device. Many say it's not safe. The steps were flashing twrp through odin, then flashing magisk and the verity flash in twrp.
Hope i didn't tire you yet
Just a couple questions, is it actually safe to root my device? With the knox and whatnot(never had to worry about that before with the 6p)what apps will be affected by root and how to workaround that?
I have a g955fd btw
Thanks in advance
RockyAJ said:
I hope I don't sound noob but coming from a 6p, i believe I am. I am new to samsung(even hated the idea of having one just as i hate iphones...) but was a gift and am lovin' it. I read a lot about rooting the s8+. Even got all the tools I found through a walkthrough to achieve root on my device. Many say it's not safe. The steps were flashing twrp through odin, then flashing magisk and the verity flash in twrp.
Hope i didn't tire you yet
Just a couple questions, is it actually safe to root my device? With the knox and whatnot(never had to worry about that before with the 6p)what apps will be affected by root and how to workaround that?
I have a g955fd btw
Thanks in advance
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Its safe but once Knox is tripped its tripped for good. As of now there's no way to use certain secure apps if Knox has been tripped. You won't be able to us Secure folders (private mode), S Health and allegedly Samsung pay (although this one works for me on my rooted s8+ with Magisk). There may be some other apps but those are the main ones I can think of.
Besides these apps most if not all other apps root check capabilities can be fooled or bypassed. Apps like Snapchat, Netflix and Poke Go etc.are normally blocked on rooted devices but work just fine with Magisk.
xeathpk said:
Its safe but once Knox is tripped its tripped for good. As of now there's no way to use certain secure apps if Knox has been tripped. You won't be able to us Secure folders (private mode), S Health and allegedly Samsung pay (although this one works for me on my rooted s8+ with Magisk). There may be some other apps but those are the main ones I can think of.
Besides these apps most if not all other apps root check capabilities can be fooled or bypassed. Apps like Snapchat, Netflix and Poke Go etc.are normally blocked on rooted devices but work just fine with Magisk.
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So you recommend going for root?
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So you recommend going for root?
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If you dont care about the apps I mentioned or possibly forfeiting your warranty then I don't see why not. Its definitely not required though. There's not too much incentive to root yet until rovo89 gets Xposed to work on android 7.0+, if ever. I just rooted to make full nandroid backups and save myself the trouble of rooting down the road. As of right now there's not too much added functionality in having root access besides a few small-ish tweaks here and there.