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Hey guys I have just ordered this from Play.com for JUST £49.99
I was expecting to pay around £100 so am very happy with that.
Play.com
there is the link if any1 else is interested.
once I have the device I will let you guys know how the battery life of the DHD has held up for me as i'm wondering if I will even get a day out it with bluetooth on all day!

haha, the irony. requires android 2.0 or better. no sony handset officially has 2.0 or better.
anyway, they do look cool. if it does full screen clock il get one, £50 isnt much for a watch. i doubt il use it for its intended purpose much.
thanks for the heads up. keep us updated on if its any good!!!

Ooh - this is right up my street. and for £50 I'm hoping you can't really go wrong!
I'm gonna wait for reviews, but I love crap like this! I'm excited.

rossysaurus said:
haha, the irony. requires android 2.0 or better. no sony handset officially has 2.0 or better.
anyway, they do look cool. if it does full screen clock il get one, £50 isnt much for a watch. i doubt il use it for its intended purpose much.
thanks for the heads up. keep us updated on if its any good!!!
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they are getting an upgrade soon....i think its around the same time as the product lauch!
dazultra2000 said:
Ooh - this is right up my street. and for £50 I'm hoping you can't really go wrong!
I'm gonna wait for reviews, but I love crap like this! I'm excited.
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I will try and review it here, so if you have an specific questions feel free to ask.
i'm most worried about the thickness and the battery life of the DHD

Hmm, well after the experience i had with their X10, it will be a looong time before i would be comfortable buying another SE product...

It has just been delayed till the 29th
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Just made my Christmas list! G/f was going to get me WoW: Cataclysm (Does she realise what that would do to our relationship?!), but this is more than likely a better choice

REVIEW
I was very excited about this little gadget and thought that the Sony Ericsson brand and the cost of the device assured me of its quality. However I am actually very disappointed in it.
Firstly the screen, although AMOLED, really is quite poor. The resolution is low and the colours are all washed out. The strap that comes with it is a bit crude and when worn as a watch looks very unstylish.
Next and most importantly, connection; I succesfully connected to my HTC Desire HD but it loses this connection - a lot - and it's not because I am too far away either. I can't stress how the process of reconnection is extremely frustrating and takes a lot of attempts. It defeats the entire purpose of this device. Now I know there have been issues with BT connectivity on the DHD but I see other makes and models having similar problems with this gadget. (Samsung Galaxy S, Desire, Wildfire)
As for transferring of data, that seems to be fine once connected, but don't expect all features to work with non Ericsson phones. I could not use media player function and calendar reminder for example.
The user interface is a bit fiddly too and one feature to 'remote control' your phone to show the full version of an article you have on the LiveView, is hit and miss too.
Now obviously this is a new device with a lot of potential from developers to introduce their own plug-ins, and software updates may eradicate some of these problems. But for now, I feel that it's too buggy to be useful and you are best waiting for it to be more established. It may be fine with SE phones but as it clearly states it is compatible with all Android v2+ phones, so I expect more reliability.

So this device has connection problems with dhd, right?
Does it command smoothly radio channels as well?

goodbye liveview!

Thanks apprentice, you've saved me 50 quid - I saw your review on Amazon and decided to steer clear for now.
Be nice if the issues were fixed, but I somehow doubt they will be.
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Can confirm that these do not fully work with most devices, Sony announced that a vital update is needed this morning and should be coming mid January..
-Source:
engadget.com/2010/12/22/sony-ericsson-liveview-getting-much-needed-january-update/

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Wow! Sony? Actually listening to their users???
This is a major milestone in Sony's history. I can't say that I'm impressed, but I am surely surprised and very grateful!

Wow! Sony? Actually listening to their users???
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In my experience Sony's customer support is second to none. But let me be clear, I mean Sony, not Sony Ericsson.
I bought a SONY LCD TV, and discovered a strange bug: If I selected a mono radio station, it entirely cut off sound output from SCART 2. I phoned Sony, they apologised and suggested a work around. A couple of months later I get a phone call "We've fixed that problem you reported, would you like us to send round an engineer to update your TV's firmware?".
So I won't have a word said against Sony.
Sony Ericsson and to an extent Sony Computer Entertainment, on the other hand... be my guest.
And yes, the LiveView as it stands is unusable, and I just don't understand how it could have got through any QA process in this state. It just does not work.

Sony Liveview wort it? Vs. Pebble and newer sony smartwatch

so the liveview is $25 on amazon, the second gen sony smartwatch is $94, and the pebble is $150. I have preordered the pebble, but have yet to pay. I wanted to ask if the liveview is worth it in comparison, for the price being so cheap..i may just buy it to try it out since its so cheap. i have an htc one s with android 4.2, also does liveview have push notifications?.... any suggestions..thanks

When a Google search brings up the suggestion "Sony Liveview don't bother", you know you'll be wasting your money.
Those Amazon reviews paint a very negative picture.
See what kind of reviews the Pebble gets and decide from there. You'll likely get what you pay for.
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got to respectfully disagree. For 20$ this thing is awesome.
I'd sort the reviews by date.
Also, consider the technical sophistication of your average user.
If you are posting on xda - you are the top 1% generally.
This thing is awesome.
There's a new firmware and client software out from sony that obviates pretty much all of the old problems.
AND there's an Open Live View reverse engineering effort that is 90% functional already!
This thing is badass!
imho.

willfck4beer said:
got to respectfully disagree. For 20$ this thing is awesome.
I'd sort the reviews by date.
Also, consider the technical sophistication of your average user.
If you are posting on xda - you are the top 1% generally.
This thing is awesome.
There's a new firmware and client software out from sony that obviates pretty much all of the old problems.
AND there's an Open Live View reverse engineering effort that is 90% functional already!
This thing is badass!
imho.
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yea i ended up getting it for $27 off amazon with expedient shipping. so i should get it soon and im hoping it works well with my htc one s...and for that cheap why not...much better than spending $150 on a pebble that ill get in like 6 months

i got my liveview, and id say its worth the money...it does what it says it does, though it sometimes disconnects...im glad i bought this and didnt spend 150 on a pebble, since its kinda of a gimmick... i mean its basically a pager on your wrist, but 27$ for it, i cant complain

For $20-30, it is a steal. Unfortunately they don't ship to my country, otherwiser I would have ordered an extra one as well.
I saw the Pebble, and frankly, I miss a two quite important functions from it that the liveview has: volume up and down as a music remote. Yeah, most likely someone will figure out how to add them to the 3-button-only interface (long press track skip would be ok) but till then, I'll go with my Liveview. Even if the connection is still not rock solid. Yeah, it is much, MUCH better than it was, but still not 100% if you are skipping music tracks left and right.
Another thing to watch out for: the frames are extremely fragile. Yes, even the metal clip-on frame. My wristwatch frame has a holding clip broken off (so it is useless as the LV falls out of it quite easily) and the clip-on is broken at the microUSB connector part. I actually had to attach the LV with a piece of masking tape to the frame so it won't fall out. I'm thinking of supergluing it there.

i found sony liveview a good smart watch but this is depending of what you demand from it
i found that it offers me the basic functionalities with cheap (really cheap) price
may be you found it a little bit dull (its look is not that great for some people), but who cares

It all depends on what you want to do with it, for me I wanted to use it as a cycling computer that worked with my phone using the my tracks app which worked perfectly so I love it for that and it only cost me $25. If you buy it just for the hell of it and don'd really know what is available for it then you might hate it, also I haven't encountered any issues with it disconnecting with my phone as others have had but it can be difficult to set up at first.

auda said:
i found sony liveview a good smart watch but this is depending of what you demand from it
i found that it offers me the basic functionalities with cheap (really cheap) price
may be you found it a little bit dull (its look is not that great for some people), but who cares
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I just got my liveview so far so good I bought one when it first cam out switch to an HTC amaze and it didn't work at all so I got rid of it, switched to a samsung note 2 and since I rarely had a problem with my old nexus s and t959 I figured it was worth getting it over the pebble I synced it about 2 hours ago and no disconnects and everything seems to be working fine
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Mine frequently disconnects, and I also had issues with the clip not holding, so I was a little disappointed. That being said, I only paid $22 for it, so I can't be too upset. I only need it to be able to discreetly check text messages at work, so it serves its purpose.
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Hello,
I was in a position like you at one point here's my take on it:
I considered the Liveview when it came out, but the reviews were horrible. Personally felt it looked a bit cheap for a wach... I saw the price drop, but since I can't get the US deals, I gave up on that one.
I then saw the pebble, but missed the kickstart. Noticing that the shipping date was so far away (and the price of $150 seemed too high), I looked elsewhere.
I found a nice balance with the Sony Smartwatch. It's cheaper than the pebble, and the general reviews are better than the previous liveview. I also like how they bundle the 20mm watch strap adapter so you can make it look better with other straps. This is what I ended up getting and I'm quite happy since all I really need was for my notifications to show up on my watch (free app for that!). Cost me about $100 AUD, but I've seen it cheaper in US sites.

just purchased one last night and i should be getting it on saturday. will post my thoughts on it. not expecting too much for $22 but im still excited!

I kickstarted the Pebble. I had another Android smartwatch on preorder until I realized the Pebble is the only waterproof one. I dreaded the thought of washing my hands wrong, or getting caught in the rain and ruining my $300 watch. The $115 Pebble seemed like a no brainer, all things considered.
With that said, the Pebble SDK still isn't public yet, so there's currently a severe lack of functionality. The Pebble has piqued my interest in smarter watches though, so I've been keeping my eyes peeled for better alternatives.
I think the year of the smartwatch is coming soon. Especially if the rumors of an Apple iWatch are true.

Have mine for a half year now. I use it almost every day. It's pretty useful if you are listening to music via your phone in car and want to skip a song etc. . Also the Camera Watch function is pretty funny

i can only speak about the liveview since i have not bought a smartwatch yet.
as you can see within this thread and on openliveview.com, custom firmware developement and a liveware manager replacement is in developement.
the custom liveware manager replacement you can find here, has all the functionality the liveware manager has, except plugin support (wich is currently in developement)
besides, it has a notification implementation that is pretty similar to how custommessagenotifier works.
the firmware is yet not for daily usage since it does not put the watch into deepsleep yet and has no bluetooth support yet.
a big minus would be that you need to kindoff break your wristband holder to charge the liveview.
overall i'd say, the liveview is currently extremely customizable since the custom manager and the custom firmware are opensource.
to the smartwatch:
it has bluetooth 4 instead of 1.1 (liveview) wich makes the bluetooth battery drain pretty small and it could theoretically even be ported to iphone.
the screen is the same except it has multi touch instead of 4 tap keys.
it has more internal storage than the liveview so a custom firmware would be more awesome on it.
overall i'd say, its better than the liveview but unless we devs get our hands onto it, there will mostly not be a custom manager / rom soon, so you will need to stick to connection issues and sony's creepy try to write software.

It seems a good idea this new project.
Since 2 years, the LiveView is not on my wrist but on my desk.

Liveview is so worth it considering the price.
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I got mine for $15. I can't even find a cheap wristwatch at walmart for that much. The Liveview is a watch, but has some added functions which are pretty cool. Worth every penny of my $15.

Been planning on buying this for my Samsung Galaxy Nexus running on Jellybean 4.2.2 just wanted to ask if anyone can tell me if this watch is compatible on my device and android version. Just recently got ahold of bluetooth headset (Nokia BH-503) can this watch has capability to override handsfree and music controls of bluetooth headsets.
Now that I think of it, can I pair to devices on a phone at once? Asking because here in my country this costs 30$.

S7 edge has no IR blaster!!!! What

I'm probably the last person to learn this. Very disappointed. Wish Samsung would have kept that. Guess I will have to pass on this phone. It is a shame since I was convinced it was the perfect upgrade for me until now.

Unfortunately you were. It was divulged a long time ago
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Found I never used it, I use the sony app that connects to wifi and then controls my sony bravia . . .its bit of a shame but I'd take losing that for a bigger battery and sd slot

To each their own but it's funny imo how people could pass up on a phone cause they won't be able to turn on/off their TV with their phones. Guess it's very tiring and troublesome picking up the TV controller to do that.

daLareid said:
To each their own but it's funny imo how people could pass up on a phone cause they won't be able to turn on/off their TV with their phones. Guess it's very tiring and troublesome picking up the TV controller to do that.
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My main problem with the TV controller is the children routinely lose it, so instead of spending time looking under the furniture and in other rooms I could always just use my phone. Not denying laziness,just not entirely the case in this instance!

markwebb said:
Unfortunately you were. It was divulged a long time ago
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Oh well better late than after I bought the wretched thing!

Never used it, waste of space.

PracticallyGeek said:
Found I never used it, I use the sony app that connects to wifi and then controls my sony bravia . . .its bit of a shame but I'd take losing that for a bigger battery and sd slot
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I know! I was so happy to hear of the SD slot and water resistance coming back. It just makes me wonder why they add a couple good features back in at the expense of another. Geez you can't always get what you want I guess.

DesignGrits said:
Never used it, waste of space.
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I envy you mate, now I wish I had not grown so fond of it. Well maybe the s8 edge will have it.

Just get a Logitech harmony hub.
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spankmatic22 said:
My main problem with the TV controller is the children routinely lose it, so instead of spending time looking under the furniture and in other rooms I could always just use my phone. Not denying laziness,just not entirely the case in this instance!
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Exactly! That is the reason the IR blaster is so useful. I suspect many of the people who don't find it useful, don't have young children. Anyway a Logitech Harmony Hub is a good replacement for the IR blaster.

I have young children... There are more ways to fix it other than an ir blaster... Grounding them from the TV if they lose the remote worked for me, very quickly too.
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I never could get used to using a flat slate of glass to control the TV, I can use a remote eyes free, can't do that with my phone.
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smh

I was using my LG G2's IR blaster about once or twice a month, when I was too lazy to pick up the remote from 2-3 meters away from my home desk. The best use for it was at the gym when I could switch the TVs to my preferred news channel during the pre-elections
No phone is without compromises but it seems the S7 Edge has the fewest. I'll gladly switch my G2 for it

there are little small 3.5mm headphone jack like devices that add the ir hardware to your phone, some work well some don't, just search on ebay and aliexpress, Kickstarter etc, but yeah i agree with others that the core issue is not the lack of ir but the lack of proper remote controller usage from the kids

Not a deal breaker for me, gonna happily give it up going from my Note 3 to the S7E, nice upgrade for me, although my Note 3 is still tried and true, snappy and running fine.
However, FYI, not just for TVs, IR was also useful with the Beep'nGo app to store my grocery loyalty cards where many cashier scanners don't work with bar codes, but do work with the IR blaster. Countless cashiers were always amazed when they grabbed my phone to hand enter the loyalty number and I told them "I have a special phone, just scan it" and it worked.

spankmatic22 said:
My main problem with the TV controller is the children routinely lose it, so instead of spending time looking under the furniture and in other rooms I could always just use my phone. Not denying laziness,just not entirely the case in this instance!
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I understand, that's why I said to each their own since we all have different approaches and from what you're saying I do understand how bothersome that can be, I genuinely hate sitting in my bed under the sheets and losing the remote. But I believe passing on a phone like S7E because of a missing IR blaster isn't a great of a move, mostly because chances of flagship phones being released with an IR blaster are less likely to happen in the future so you would have to stick with either an old phone or a medium performance phone that still happens to be released with an IR blaster, but who knows maybe Samsung will bring it back again.

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I understand, that's why I said to each their own since we all have different approaches and from what you're saying I do understand how bothersome that can be, I genuinely hate sitting in my bed under the sheets and losing the remote. But I believe passing on a phone like S7E because of a missing IR blaster isn't a great of a move, mostly because chances of flagship phones being released with an IR blaster are less likely to happen in the future so you would have to stick with either an old phone or a medium performance phone that still happens to be released with an IR blaster, but who knows maybe Samsung will bring it back again.
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Thanks. I see your point. I still want an S7 edge, just was a little disappointed. Sure looks like a great phone.

DesignGrits said:
Never used it, waste of space.
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while it was a waste of space in your opinion there are several, like me who utilized it to the fullest. I still ordered the s7 edge but will have to transition to my note 10.1 2014 tablet to use now for ir blaster. I purchased the best remote app out there and have all kinds of macros set up for convenience. Below are just three that I have set up.
TV ON - turn on tv, dish hopper, audio amp.
TV Off - turn off tv, dish hopper, audio amp.
Kid- turn on tv, dish hopper, audio amp and change to disney.
I also have six different entertainment systems set up on this so I never have to look for a remote when I go into a different room.
Example. Kid passes out watching Frozen because that is about the only way I can get her to sleep. Instead of waking her while looking for remote I peek my phone in and turn off her tv and blu ray player.. Problem Solved..
They do serve a purpose and I was very upset when they took it off the s6+ and didn't bring it back... Especially when they are so cheap of an addon.

Essential Audio Adapter HD Limited Edition Sold Out!!!

I'm just wondering if anyone here bought it and want to share your experience!!!
Is it a good news that Essential is still making new products? What about PH-2 or new phone in the work???
https://twitter.com/essential/status/1062421849278160901?s=19
https://www.theverge.com/platform/a...sential-phone-magnetic-headphone-jack-adapter

I used to run a 200$ DAC for a 2k audio system, and yes, the quality difference is noticeable, but I honestly don't get why anybody would need that on the go...
Setting that question aside (enjoy, to those who may have gotten it!) - the fact that it's already sold out makes me think the production target was probably really small and more of a marketing gimmick than anything else. Probably so they could put another thing on their list, for the proprietory connector. I mean what's the point of making a device like that limited edition, economically speaking?

dsip said:
I used to run a 200$ DAC for a 2k audio system, and yes, the quality difference is noticeable, but I honestly don't get why anybody would need that on the go...
Setting that question aside (enjoy, to those who may have gotten it!) - the fact that it's already sold out makes me think the production target was probably really small and more of a marketing gimmick than anything else. Probably so they could put another thing on their list, for the proprietory connector. I mean what's the point of making a device like that limited edition, economically speaking?
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You are absolutely right, and because essential sells such an expensive adapter, if your 360 camera sells for 40 $$

This is making no sense. The audio soc it uses is the same as LG V20 and for given the $150 price you can easily get a V20 in US from ebay and have a backup phone; or better if you are in Asia you can get a G6 with even better audio chip. That being said, now I'm pretty much using exclusively Sony WH1000XM2 when going out.

I will stick with my Bluetooth audio connection.

droidstyle said:
I will stick with my Bluetooth audio connection.
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AGree

dsip said:
I used to run a 200$ DAC for a 2k audio system, and yes, the quality difference is noticeable, but I honestly don't get why anybody would need that on the go...
Setting that question aside (enjoy, to those who may have gotten it!) - the fact that it's already sold out makes me think the production target was probably really small and more of a marketing gimmick than anything else. Probably so they could put another thing on their list, for the proprietory connector. I mean what's the point of making a device like that limited edition, economically speaking?
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Essential said that they will sell 90,000 units.

Vice Style Gamepad

Hi guys,
Wondering if any one had any suggestions for a compact but solid and reliable gamepad (vice-style) that fits and works well with this phone.
I had a Razer Phone 2 with the Razer Junglecat before this phone and I am used to this quality build - if anyone has ideas would be appreciated.
thanks

I am waiting for the razer kishi to be released : https://www.razer.com/eu-en/gaming-controllers/razer-kishi
It's build in collaboration with the guys from gamevice.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...like-mobile-game-controller-gamepad-junglecat

What type of gaming do you do on your phone?
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Looking at stadia is it any good? Would be good to pair with a game pad like that

This razer kishi is built especially for cloud gaming thanks to its zero latency USB-c connection to the phone.
No Bluetooth required.

Yeah....well the whole reason I wrote this thread is because I am sick and tired of waiting for the Razer damn Kishi to come out....was announced ages ago ...been waiting and waiting too long

I'm also impatiently waiting.
The Glap controller though bulky could probably do the trick. https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/glap-gamepad/

gothikserpent said:
I'm also impatiently waiting.
The Glap controller though bulky could probably do the trick. https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/glap-gamepad/
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this looks very good!!
Yes it doesnt look that portable (especially as i am used to the jungle cat which took up less space than my wallet!!)
However if i was to get something this big i am a bit fussy with the right analogue stick i prefer it below the buttons just like the Xbox style...this is what i am used to.
I already have one that looks very similar to this as well - the IPEGA PG-9023...it was also a lot cheaper!!
Would the Samsung have much better build quality and lag-free connection?
Also a question - is the Razer Kishi going to be wired only or will there be a Bluetooth option?

I have never used any Ipega products but I have heard that the controllers suffer from analog stick dead zones which are not present in the Glap.
According to the Verge's article, the kishi has no built-in battery. It will use the phones power so it's very unlikely that it will have Bluetooth.

Been looking at reviews on Youtube - the one below looks like a pretty good bet - he says the Coolpad Legacy fits in perfectly and Oneplus 8 Pro has pretty close dimensions to that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1pm876OiKw

gothikserpent said:
I have never used any Ipega products but I have heard that the controllers suffer from analog stick dead zones which are not present in the Glap.
According to the Verge's article, the kishi has no built-in battery. It will use the phones power so it's very unlikely that it will have Bluetooth.
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Yes you are right they do. the difference between my junglecat and the ipega is so noticable. the junglecat is so responsive......i also have a Moga Hero Power which i think is excellent - however this has now become a legacy product and you cant even get the app on the play store anymore and you need it to connect the game pad - i have to download the apk manually to get it paired...but it is very good!
If the junglecat doesnt have a built in battery then forget it

I've been using the ipega extendible for a while now. I have the Moga pro, out of the two of them i prefer the ipega, plus it was only £20 Vs £49.99
That razer device looks like it's going to fall apart. The ipega is solid, it can hold an iPad.

dladz said:
I've been using the ipega extendible for a while now. I have the Moga pro, out of the two of them i prefer the ipega, plus it was only £20 Vs £49.99
That razer device looks like it's going to fall apart. The ipega is solid, it can hold an iPad.
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which razer device are you referring to? I have the junglecat and can confirm it is solid as a rock, zero latency, and the button are perfect.

nk33 said:
which razer device are you referring to? I have the junglecat and can confirm it is solid as a rock, zero latency, and the button are perfect.
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The one listed. Buttons look good but the middle section doesn't. The ipega is built like a tank.
Latency is extremely low.
I've used a tonne of pads and that's the best one up until now.

dladz said:
The one listed. Buttons look good but the middle section doesn't. The ipega is built like a tank.
Latency is extremely low.
I've used a tonne of pads and that's the best one up until now.
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I have 3 ipegas and the latency is high and the deadzones are terrible
the one listed ??? theres 2 in this thread - kishi and junglecat - just name the one you are talking about - whats with the riddles lol

nk33 said:
I have 3 ipegas and the latency is high and the deadzones are terrible
the one listed ??? theres 2 in this thread - kishi and junglecat - just name the one you are talking about - whats with the riddles lol
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First off, calm down ok? Theres no need to act the way you are, alright?
Secondly the one I was referring to was the kishi, it looks like it's going to have problems, the construction of the middle isn't great.
3rd, I've got the ipega extendible, not sure if you've had this one but I do, there are no problems with input lag, depending on how you've set it up, the analogues can be seen as digital, I haven't set mine up like that, no problems with deadzones, I've finished tonnes of games using it
Thats my input, you asked for a vice like controller..is there any need to bash a suggestion? Or talk the way you are? Several ?????? It's childish, you didn't mention what controllers you'd used besides one.
Perhaps you could be clearer when you articulate yourself during thread creation, if you don't like a suggestion then say so, no need to bash it, try to be polite

I'm pretty calm mate ...all good
Yeah i got the extendible as well... joysticks are so far off its a killer for me. All depends on the quality you're used to i guess....IMO u get what u pay for in general and thats why Ipega stuff is so cheap

dladz said:
First off, calm down ok? Theres no need to act the way you are, alright?
Secondly the one I was referring to was the kishi, it looks like it's going to have problems, the construction of the middle isn't great.
3rd, I've got the ipega extendible, not sure if you've had this one but I do, there are no problems with input lag, depending on how you've set it up, the analogues can be seen as digital, I haven't set mine up like that, no problems with deadzones, I've finished tonnes of games using it
Thats my input, you asked for a vice like controller..is there any need to bash a suggestion? Or talk the way you are? Several ?????? It's childish, you didn't mention what controllers you'd used besides one.
Perhaps you could be clearer when you articulate yourself during thread creation, if you don't like a suggestion then say so, no need to bash it, try to be polite
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Good to know you have no issues with your Ipega. That being said, Razer is a gaming company and they have an awesome track record when it comes to some of the best build quality out there.
I use cloud gaming services quite a lot and having the lowest latency means plugging in my computer to a gigabit Ethernet port and using a wired xbox controller.
If you want the best possible experience on android the same applies here, a physical USB-C connection to the phone will always be better than Bluetooth IMO. When cloud gaming, Bluetooth adds an extra layer of latency; with time this will get better but for now that's how it is.
I guess its up to the buyer to determine if the price of the Kishi is worth it

gothikserpent said:
Good to know you have no issues with your Ipega. That being said, Razer is a gaming company and they have an awesome track record when it comes to some of the best build quality out there.
I use cloud gaming services quite a lot and having the lowest latency means plugging in my computer to a gigabit Ethernet port and using a wired xbox controller.
If you want the best possible experience on android the same applies here, a physical USB-C connection to the phone will always be better than Bluetooth IMO. When cloud gaming, Bluetooth adds an extra layer of latency; with time this will get better but for now that's how it is.
I guess its up to the buyer to determine if the price of the Kishi is worth it
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I agree I game on PC, I wouldn't dream of partying using wireless.
That being said I've had no issues with the ipega, perhaps it's unit based, even the 1+8pro has differences between units, green tint, touch lag, camera flares.
If the razer device works for you then stick with that.
If it suits your needs the the price is collateral

Ok - so the Razer Kishi just came out - specs below
and it seems the dimensions are 1.5mm too small for the length of the oneplus 8 Pro...if anyone has a kishi and can confirm if it fits please let me know
Center aligned USB-C or lightning port
Android
Operating System: Android™ 8.0 Oreo or higher
Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+/S9/S9+/S10/S10+/S20/S20+/Note 8/Note 9/Note 10/Note 10+
Google Pixel 2/2 XL/3/3XL/4/4XL
Razer Phone 1 & 2 (grip inserts available from customer support)
Other devices within supported dimensions (H: 145.3 – 163.7mm, W: 68.2-78.1mm, D: 7.0-8.8mm)
iOS
Operating System: iOS 9 or higher
iPhone 11/11 Pro/11 Pro Max, iPhone XR/XS/XS Max

nk33 said:
Ok - so the Razer Kishi just came out - specs below
and it seems the dimensions are 1.5mm too small for the length of the oneplus 8 Pro...if anyone has a kishi and can confirm if it fits please let me know
Center aligned USB-C or lightning port
Android
Operating System: Android™ 8.0 Oreo or higher
Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+/S9/S9+/S10/S10+/S20/S20+/Note 8/Note 9/Note 10/Note 10+
Google Pixel 2/2 XL/3/3XL/4/4XL
Razer Phone 1 & 2 (grip inserts available from customer support)
Other devices within supported dimensions (H: 145.3 – 163.7mm, W: 68.2-78.1mm, D: 7.0-8.8mm)
iOS
Operating System: iOS 9 or higher
iPhone 11/11 Pro/11 Pro Max, iPhone XR/XS/XS Max
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Boredatwork confirmed that it works with the oneplus 8 pro :