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GSM Arena concluded yet another battery test, on release firmware, and it improved the device's talk time and video playback significantly, while web browsing suffered some decrease. Overall, with standby time staying impressive as ever, the Galaxy S4 endurace score improved from 63h to 69h, tying the Galaxy Note II.
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PocketNow Snapdragon vs. Exynos comparison
Full review to follow soon
DisplayMate test - An impressive OLED
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
... when Automatic Brightness is turned on, the Peak Brightness becomes significantly brighter in high ambient lighting than is possible with Manual Brightness, up to as high as 475 cd/m2, which is 34 percent higher than is possible with Manual Brightness. The Galaxy S4 display is a major enhancement and improvement over the Galaxy S III – a good reason to consider trading up. The screen has Full HD 1920x1080 resolution with more than double the number of pixels and with 44 percent higher Pixels Per Inch than the Galaxy S III. It is 25 percent brighter (and up to 68 percent brighter with Automatic Brightness) and the display is 20 percent more power efficient. The Galaxy S4 also has 5 user selectable Screen Modes and delivers much better picture quality and color accuracy.
The Galaxy S4 performs very well in high ambient lighting in spite of its typically lower screen brightness because it has one of the smallest screen Reflectance values of any display we have ever tested, and its more saturated colors can help cut through the reflected light glare. When Automatic Brightness is turned on, the screen brightness increases considerably at high levels of ambient lighting as mentioned above. The Galaxy S4 is then comparable or brighter than most LCD Smartphones.
TechRadar - Real talk! (4,5/5)
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/ph...ng-galaxy-s4-1137602/review/16#articleContent
Verdict
We're getting really fed up with the design criticisms thrown at any phone manufacturer that deigns to not make it's flagship out of metal. Yes, it doesn't feel as premium, but what you're giving up in feel you're getting back in weight, removable battery and general hardiness - the combination of Gorilla Glass 3 and a plastic shell mean this is one tough cookie. ... The trend for cases is such that users aren't even getting the full force of the design either - we don't think that they should be necessary, but a lot of people are protecting their high investment. We spoke to a chap that went for the HTC One for design reasons, then showed us the huge case he carried it around in. :laugh:
Make no mistake - the Samsung Galaxy S4 is far, far more than a Galaxy S3 'S' - Samsung may be copying Apple according to some people, but it's not as brazen as the Cupertino brand in flogging the exact same design with a slightly uprated processor and calling it a new phone. The Galaxy S4 is a great, great device in its own right, re-inventing what it means to own a brilliant smartphone in a number of ways. The gestures are cool, the touch-less experience amazing at times - in short, it's a wonderful phone you want to pull out of your pocket again and again and again.
The design issue is overblown. Yes, it's plastic, and yes, compared to the competition you wouldn't choose to spend £500 on it for the chassis. But it's a very solid device that belies that exterior and shouldn't be discounted for it. TouchWiz is getting a little complex now, though. The simplicity of HTC Sense shines through, and the HTC One is a superior device in many ways because the innovation is based on things users want. Where Samsung brought the ability to wave to move photos, the HTC One made the speaker better.
Where the S4 lets you scroll with your head, the One lets you take photos in low light. The latter feature is slightly offset by the S4's auto Night Mode, but you get the picture. But screw all the 'which phone is better than the other' notion for now (we'll get to that in our best mobile phones piece) the Galaxy S4 is a stunning smartphone that won't let you down for a variety of tasks. There's no doubt Samsung will have to make a big step forward to keep users interested with the Galaxy S5, but for now we love the S4 and would be proud to have it in our pocket.
GSM Arena retail unit & US update (April 24)
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-914.php
Boys at GSMA got their hands on a retail unit and are updating their in-depth review. Audio and smart scrolling improved, as well as the camera performance (my observation).
Update, April 18: We got a final retail Galaxy S4 unit and redid tests and benchmarks, made new screenshots and checked if the description of all the features is accurate. Here's what we found to have changed:
Update, April 24: Over the past week, we also had the opportunity to spend time with a US version of the Samsung Galaxy S4 for Sprint Wireless. Save for the different bands, the handset's specifications and performance are on par with the Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 powered device we extensively reviewed.
Added info and photos on the new eco-friendly box
The Smart scroll feature works better on the final unit
New benchmarks showing slightly improved performance
New audio quality test
New photo and video samples
The biggest improvement is in SunSpider, the retail drivers move the S4 up to the very top with an impressive 810ms mark
In-depth S4 vs. HTC One, Xperia Z comparison
Comparing Galaxy S4 to HTC One
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913.php
Comparing S4 to Xperia Z
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_sony_xperia_z-review-915.php
PhoneArena DSLR vs. S4, One, 920 & iPhone 5 showdown
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...one-5-Nokia-Lumia-920-and-Galaxy-S-III_id3285
Mobile-Review big camera showdown - PureView 808 and S4 beats them all
http://translate.google.com/transla.../mobile-review.com/review/phototest2013.shtml
More reviews
AndroidPolice - More Of The Same, But Better (For The Most Part)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...but-different-and-yes-still-pretty-damn-good/
Ava's video review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pcG4Jc3MmIk
Wired UK - Samsung has set the new standard
http://www.wired.co.uk/reviews/mobile-phones/2013-04/samsung-galaxy-s4-review
CNet - Outstanding
http://reviews.cnet.com/samsung-galaxy-s4/
CNet UK - A superb phone to plonk in your pocket
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s4-review-50010650/
TechSpot - One of the most social-friendly smartphones ever
http://www.techspot.com/review/664-samsung-galaxy-s4/page3.html
SoftPedia - Outstanding All-Rounder, but Takes Time to Master
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sams...Rounder-but-Takes-Time-to-Master-348204.shtml
AnandTech
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review
The Verge
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/24/4257254/samsung-galaxy-s4-review
PocketNow!
http://pocketnow.com/2013/04/24/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review
TechHive
http://www.techhive.com/article/203...a-worthy-successor-but-not-revolutionary.html
]Phandroid
http://phandroid.com/2013/04/24/samsung-galaxy-s4-review/
TechCrunch
http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/23/samsung-galaxy-s4-review-the-s-stands-for-super-not-simple/
CNet
http://reviews.cnet.com/samsung-galaxy-s4/
Engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/24/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review/
Gizmodo
http://gizmodo.com/5995291/samsung-galaxy-s4-review-better-not-best
AndroidCentral
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-review
IntoMobile
http://www.intomobile.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-s4-review/
Slashgear
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review-23278981/
AndroidGuys
http://www.androidguys.com/2013/04/24/samsung-galaxy-s4-review-video/
Übergizmo
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/04/samsung-galaxy-s4-review/
Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10014920/Galaxy-S4-review-Samsungs-superphone.html
GottabeMobile
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/04/23/samsung-galaxy-s4-review/
AndroidCommunity
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review-20130423/
PhoneArena review
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S4-Review_id3280
GadgetBox
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/g...review-its-better-youll-ever-notice-6C9572228
LaptopMag
http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s4.aspx
BGR
http://bgr.com/2013/04/24/samsung-galaxy-s4-review-448039/?utm_source=hitlist-sb&utm_medium=home
Phones4You video review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlU-Yrua4Hs
AndroidAuthority Review
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s4-review-194534/
Yugatech review
http://www.yugatech.com/mobile/samsung-galaxy-s4-review/
Smartphone Bulgaria I9505 review
http://translate.google.com/transla...s-4-naj-ba-rziyat-smartfon-sa-zdavan-nyakoga/
Zoom Russia review
http://translate.google.com/transla...=http://zoom.cnews.ru/publication/item/43700/
PcPop Chinese I9500 review
http://translate.google.com/transla...u=http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/894/894568.shtml
Hi-Tech Mail Russian I9500 review
http://translate.googleusercontent....v.html&usg=ALkJrhiP2r3dWbjehyBbyajEBQjRMia5Cg
Bulgarian Nixanbal I9505 review
http://translate.google.com/transla...%D0%B2%D1%8E-%D0%BD%D0%B0-samsung-galaxy-s-iv
MForum Russian I9500 review
http://translate.google.com/transla...=http://www.mforum.ru/phones/tests/103217.htm
MobilArena Hungarian I9505 review
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=hu&sl=hu&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmobilarena.hu%2Fteszt%2Fsamsung_galaxy_s4_negyedik_bovitett_kiadas%2Fbevezeto.html
MobilPort Hungarian I9505 review
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=hu&sl=hu&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobilport.hu%2Ftesztek%2F20130417%2Fsamsung_galaxy_s4_teszt_mindent_bele%2F
BeginnersTech British I9505 review
http://www.beginnerstech.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s4-review/
Chinese review puts Exynos S4 under heat cam
http://translate.google.com/transla...nhuanet.com/info/2013-04/09/c_132293809_5.htm
Yeski does stress-testing in extensive Octa-core review
http://translate.google.com/transla...&u=http://mobile.yesky.com/374/34541374.shtml
Highly detailed Octa-core test by Mobile-Review
http://translate.google.com/transla...ile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s4.shtml
First Octa-core review impresses
http://translate.google.com/transla...ellphones/2013-03-27-obzor-samsung-galaxy-s4/
Thanks for the link. I always knew this phone will win the phone of the year. No other phones even come close to offering what Samsung offers. And I think the phone looks a million times better than the one. Just wait till the reviews start flowing. You'll see the true power of this beast of a phone.
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Thanks for this. I love how everyone is bashing the design.
I bet more people love the design when all well known websites show their reviews/benchmarks.
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Call quality
The Galaxy S4 delivers passable call quality - nothing spectacular. The earpiece is loud enough, but the quality of the sound isn't among the best. Things are a bit better on the other end of the line, though there's some room for improvement as well.
The loudspeaker is powerful and manages to retain a decent sounding most of the time without starting to crackle too much.
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Yet Ray S came up with mediocre call quality!
Seriously, PhoneArena needs better reviewers. I really don't understand why they always rush reviews because the review, just like many of their past reviews, is not in-depth at all and I don't even think their review phone was close to the final production unit.
Yeah, they need a better reviewer thats for sure. That article doesn't do the phone justice. It was lacking in so many areas. It's like they're trying to be the first to review the unit. Oh well, at least they were smart enough to give it a 9.3..
The design is basic, which is fine by me since I want to be able to change the battery and put in an SD card. Those are the mains reason the HTC One is a no go for me.
As for the "plain" looking exterior, let's be honest here: the first thing most of us do after buying a phone is to seal it up in a case to keep it safe so it's a moot point at best.
the cons are joke :silly::silly::silly:
One of the worst tests I have ever seen.
No screen tests, no battery test, no audio quality tests, no photo comparison, nearly nothing done.
Phonearena = jokearena
pikatchu said:
One of the worst tests I have ever seen.
No screen tests, no battery test, no audio quality tests, no photo comparison, nearly nothing done.
Phonearena = jokearena
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Desperate to get in first.. hardly a proper review.
Definitely feels rushed, so many functions are left out of the article, plus it may not even be the final SW.
Isn't the phone shipping in like a month? that is a very early review....
I have considered PA's reviews as smth for entertainment. Very funny reviews and funny comments below. That's all.
The structure of their reviews does not have any depth into the phone. And this one is even worse. Look at the camera part, they said smth like "camera is very good", "outdoor picture is very good", "very detail" or "Noise in mminimum". So pointless.
I'm waiting for The Verge, they maybe a little bit biased to Apple but they do make good reviews.
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I'm waiting for The Verge, they maybe a little bit biased to Apple but they do make good reviews.
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What I like about the verge reviews is that they don't hold back, if there is something they don't like they will make it clear.
barondebxl said:
Isn't the phone shipping in like a month? that is a very early review....
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Most of the real reviewers like Anandteach and GSMArena have posted mini-reviews saying their withholding judgment until they receive production devices. Kind of makes you wonder about other sites that don't feel the same way. GSMArena's One test is out and they've highlighted a number of differences between the pre-production devices they used and the final versions. So it's probably a bit early to feel either elated or disappointed by PhoneArena's comments.
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I'm super excited for the S4 but that review, despite a positive score, seriously was incompetent, incomplete, very lacking, premature, and ultimately, unnecessary. It left me with the impression that the site just wanted a spike in web traffic, which doesn't benefit its writing integrity and credibility.
Re: [REVIEWS] - PhoneArena first to review the beast with a score of...
hTc one scored 9.1
Xperia Z scored 8.5
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Running perseus kernel 33.1 , XELLA 4.1.2 leaked build
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784401
Dont click,you might regret , I won't be responsible if you brick ur head
pewpew345 said:
I'm waiting for The Verge, they maybe a little bit biased to Apple but they do make good reviews.
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The Verge is on the Apple payroll. Ridiculously biased toward iOS products, I wouldn't trust them in a million years.
I wonder how they come up with all these score numbers?
V20 will be available Oct. 28th (T-Mobile) - Includes free B&O BeoPlay H3 headphones
https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lg-v20.htm
Finally some hard information.
abn.geek said:
https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lg-v20.htm
Finally some hard information.
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Let's hope a pre-order page will be up very soon!
Now' others will wait for it to come to eu
Great news about the B&O headphones. Previous reports said the US models wouldn't have the B&O tuning or the headphones. Hopefully we are getting the tuning and headphones both...
So now, you all just have to ask yourselves one question, in the realm of premium range phones, is this worth $800+? Setting aside the title of the article, at this point you need to ask yourselves what you want in a premium device and if it's worth it to you. For me, I prefer LG's software to Samsung's any day, and the refinements made to the hardware between v10 and v20 have really won me over. As far as the Pixel, I think that phone is a mid range device at best, and no one should pay that ridiculous price. Add to that the fact that T-mo offers me this phone as an upgrade, with an eip I don't have to get outside financing for, and I'm in as far as the V20 goes. The question is, are you?
kibmikey1 said:
So now, you all just have to ask yourselves one question, in the realm of premium range phones, is this worth $800+? Setting aside the title of the article, at this point you need to ask yourselves what you want in a premium device and if it's worth it to you. For me, I prefer LG's software to Samsung's any day, and the refinements made to the hardware between v10 and v20 have really won me over. As far as the Pixel, I think that phone is a mid range device at best, and no one should pay that ridiculous price. Add to that the fact that T-mo offers me this phone as an upgrade, with an eip I don't have to get outside financing for, and I'm in as far as the V20 goes. The question is, are you?
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Considering I think this phone is better than the more expensive iPhone 7+ and Galaxy Note 7, yes I do. I don't know why people would ever expect it to be cheaper than those aforementioned phones because it has incredible specs and features. It's elite in the phone world.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Considering I think this phone is better than the more expensive iPhone 7+ and Galaxy Note 7, yes I do. I don't know why people would ever expect it to be cheaper than those aforementioned phones because it has incredible specs and features. It's elite in the phone world.
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You're kidding yourself dude. This phone is not exactly better - care to elaborate?
It will have lighter software and thus run faster than the Note7, but NOT the iPhone 7 - this is not better.
It will have the worst display since the iPhone 7 is color accurate and brighter, and the Note7 is OLED with great accuracy levels dependent on chosen saturation setting, brightness, and perfect contrast - this is not better.
It will have the best audio.
It will have the best manual photo and video control.
It MAY have the best recording capability - I listened to a recording of a small concert in a public park, and a Note7 actually captured much clearer audio?... perhaps a software issue which remains to be fixed, but the V20 should theoretically provide better capability with its high AOP mics.
It MAY have the better facets to its camera - this needs a lot of testing. It may only be better in certain situations. It certainly won't beat both phones all the time.
It certainly won't have the best battery life - sure it has a swappable battery, but no water resistance either.
If LG charges $800+ they're going to fail. I don't want those ****ty in the box IEMs - I have $1,000 Shures - so that is not any justification for price.
Nitemare3219 said:
You're kidding yourself dude. This phone is not exactly better - care to elaborate?
It will have lighter software and thus run faster than the Note7, but NOT the iPhone 7 - this is not better.
It will have the worst display since the iPhone 7 is color accurate and brighter, and the Note7 is OLED with great accuracy levels dependent on chosen saturation setting, brightness, and perfect contrast - this is not better.
It will have the best audio.
It will have the best manual photo and video control.
It MAY have the best recording capability - I listened to a recording of a small concert in a public park, and a Note7 actually captured much clearer audio?... perhaps a software issue which remains to be fixed, but the V20 should theoretically provide better capability with its high AOP mics.
It MAY have the better facets to its camera - this needs a lot of testing. It may only be better in certain situations. It certainly won't beat both phones all the time.
It certainly won't have the best battery life - sure it has a swappable battery, but no water resistance either.
If LG charges $800+ they're going to fail. I don't want those ****ty in the box IEMs - I have $1,000 Shures - so that is not any justification for price.
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Audio, video, IR blaster, removable battery, expandable storage, wide angle camera, OIS, EIS, Nougat, faster software than Note 7, shock resistant (much more important to me than water resistant), and the screen is fine. People freaking out over the display I think are crazy. Unless you're doing an A/B comparison, it's going to look fantastic. It's freaking Quad HD. The things I look for most in a phone are all here and are not in ANY other phone right now. For me, this is by far the best phone of 2016. And it should be priced accordingly.
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Also the note 7 is AMOLED.
Not OLED.
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Just my 2 cents i just came home from att and pre ordered.. I myself was worried about the screen but i played with it and it was great yes its not Samsung but i loved it.. Im on the nexus 6p and the lg screen looked better than my 6p..but thats just my experience..
https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/...msungGalaxyS10Plus_DxOMark-e1550828416854.jpg
The exact quote is "The bokeh simulation effect is capable of producing quite realistic results."
Man, that photo is the worst bokeh I have seen and nowhere worthy of top score. Even a cheap Moto X4 can better it.
Now, I believe that these guys are paid hacks
Looks fine to me.
Why the hate. I know this is a pixel forum
Google pixel is always king to Android geeks but still.
Why the bashing.
Before you call me a Sammy boy. I have both xl3 and a note 9 lol
Yeah I own the Pixel 3 but think this photo looks cool.
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TheUndertaker21 said:
Looks fine to me.
Why the hate. I know this is a pixel forum
Google pixel is always king to Android geeks but still.
Why the bashing.
Before you call me a Sammy boy. I have both xl3 and a note 9 lol
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Follow the leaves on his left and right from the front to back. A good bokeh would have blurred more as you go from front to back.
The subject is also super exposed. Its overall a bad outdoor photo!
I don't have anything against Samsung BTW. I used to own Samsung (S4 being the last one) before they closed the bootloader. I have played my friends' recent Samsung phones and they are nice devices and if they allowed unlocked bootloader, I would probably own one too.. But I am not afraid to speak when I see something being promoted as good when its not. I have done that to Pixel 3 XL and to HTC phones over the years, even though I am a fan of those phones.
I have no doubt that the S10 will be a great phone with an excellent camera but the OP is correct in saying that photo is horrible. It says more about the person that wrote that review than the phone though.
The S10 is probably running pre-release firmware. On launch there will be a software fix available, it always goes like that with Samsung.
For me it's not cool at all. Bad photo in my opinion
I fully agree. That photo is terrible
TheUndertaker21, mjs2011
you guys kidding right? I hope so since you guys need better eyes.
that photo is way over exposed and not looks very sharp and I hope they fix samsung s10 expose.
pixel 3 camera still beats, sorry.
DXO is just a private company, don`t know who named them the photografy benchmarking institute. Besides that nobody exactly knows how their scores are being produced.
I agree. The photo is over exposed, and the bokeh is weak.
It looks ok. The edge detection is quite nice and looks decent here, not the best but again this is a review unit not retail with final software. I've seen in some cases it struggles but overall it's damn realistic which we all strive for in smart phone photography. The pixel has a history of over contrast but bokeh looks amazing. I've also seen night shots where it really proves damn nice quality and details are near perfect (see Danny Winget review vs Pixel 3 XL) I'm very much looking forward to the S10+ and it's ability to alter after the shot with additional effects, etc.
I am willing to donate 100USD and crowdfund another 900USD (I'm willing to inject another 400USD to help the crowdfund hit it's target) for any dev that can make a fully functional port of the gcam (with nightsight, portrait mode and a fully functional selfiecam) for the exynos version of the S10+. Spread the word, this is legit
F it man, I'm in, can't do much but will donate 10 to the crowdfund. GCAM with the proper Night Sight on this sensor would be incredible.
pepeuzika said:
I am willing to donate 100USD and crowdfund another 900USD (I'm willing to inject another 400USD to help the crowdfund hit it's target) for any dev that can make a fully functional port of the gcam (with nightsight, portrait mode and a fully functional selfiecam) for the exynos version of the S10+. Spread the word, this is legit
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Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.
Misterxtc said:
Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.
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I hate samsung's agressive post processing (specially in selfies that looks like **** in the dark). Besides, money is not an issue
Misterxtc said:
Why? You are not missing anything with GCAM. I tried it with the Snapdragon and think it sucks compared to the stock app. Besides night mode is coming according to this post.
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Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
Corv0 said:
Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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Same thoughts here.
Corv0 said:
Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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Have a look at the Anandtech article that came out yesterday, the exynos and snapdragon variants are vastly different even though they're supposed to be the same S10, the software love was only given to the 855 model, and lazily ported over to the exynos variant. This is kinda why we need a better image processing solution from the community, because Samsung cba about it... Quote from the article below;
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/14
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Corv0 said:
Stock app will always be better since it's tailored for this hardware and it's the only guaranteed software to be kept updated, plus as Misterxtc mentioned, the dedicated night camera and much more is coming soon.
Bounty for what? A third-party hackware all because you're illuded enough to still believe the gcam propaganda? This is not some cheap Xiaomi sharing the same sensor as the Pixels, our sensor is theoretically superior and the only one that can improve its processing is Samsung itself.
Spare yourself the extra money, return your S10+, buy a cheap middlerange Chinese phone and a dedicated DLSR with the same money if you are so worried about insignificant picture detail that you all are going to ruin by sharing content with compressing social media apps.
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You're totally right, the camera , or the hardware are way better on the s10 , but it's not only about the hardware, image processing is important too, and ssdly the imagie processing which is the software on the samsung is not that good, and the gcam is way way better , so with the samsung hardware and the pixel software (gcam) u can have the best picture on the market.
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Have a look at the Anandtech article that came out yesterday, the exynos and snapdragon variants are vastly different even though they're supposed to be the same S10, the software love was only given to the 855 model, and lazily ported over to the exynos variant. This is kinda why we need a better image processing solution from the community, because Samsung cba about it... Quote from the article below;
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/14
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Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.
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Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.
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Haha I love this theory. So you're claiming they're biased towards qualcomm even though they definitely praise a lot of the other aspects of the Exynos in the review, how it has a solidly better battery life when compared to 855, and how the A55 cores on the Exynos are way better. Where do you get the "disabled HDR" idea, they put both on Auto and took the photos, they even discuss the actual HDR processing.
On the wide angle, the Exynos does a horrible result in the HDR processing. In the histrogram the top 15% of levels are nearly non-existing and this is why the image seems to flat, especially a lot of the greens are compressed far too much resulting in unnatural and flat textures on leaves and on the moss. We can also add this shot to the list of wide-angle results where the Snapdragon’s optics seem much better.
The Mate 20 Pro is a contender for detail in this shot, but loses out in colours and dynamic range to the S10.
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Hmmm based on that last sentence now you'll claim they're Huawei Kirin shills. Lol way to "keep it classy" with your conspiracy theories mate.
The fact is 99% of the reviews do not mention the fact that the Exynos camera app doesn't take full advantage of the processing like the Qualcomm model, and there is a clear difference that must be addressed by Samsung. It's a damn shame because the 9820 is a really capable beast and deserves the same amount of finesse and perfection that is present in the 855 software.
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Haha I love this theory. So you're claiming they're biased towards qualcomm even though they definitely praise a lot of the other aspects of the Exynos in the review, how it has a solidly better battery life when compared to 855, and how the A55 cores on the Exynos are way better. Where do you get the "disabled HDR" idea, they put both on Auto and took the photos, they even discuss the actual HDR processing.
Hmmm based on that last sentence now you'll claim they're Huawei Kirin shills. Lol way to "keep it classy" with your conspiracy theories mate.
The fact is 99% of the reviews do not mention the fact that the Exynos camera app doesn't take full advantage of the processing like the Qualcomm model, and there is a clear difference that must be addressed by Samsung. It's a damn shame because the 9820 is a really capable beast and deserves the same amount of finesse and perfection that is present in the 855 software.
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Praising?
How's "Although battery life and performance this year aren’t an issue for the Exynos variant" praising it?
Another point, the end of their battery page states
"One issue I can confirm with the Exynos unit is that after a voice call in any app, the phone isn’t correctly entering its lower power state, and will suffer from increased idle battery drain until a reboot. This is something that hopefully Samsung addresses in a firmware update as it doesn’t look to be a hardware related issue. When not affected by this bug, both phones idle very similar to each other and slightly better than the S9+ I use as my daily device."
Seriously? This guide is a day old and they even bothered to include a bug that has been fixed in ASBA, TWO firmwares ago, even with half the comments mentioning it has been fixed and it doesn't belong in their review, it's still there.
This trashy excuse of a tech blog belongs in my fakenews domain blocking host, just so I stop seeing their poorly made articles whenever Google decides to shove them in my face.
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Praising?
How's "Although battery life and performance this year aren’t an issue for the Exynos variant" praising it?
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Because 9810 was riddled with very bad battery performance, this year it is a lot better. He's talking about it comparing to the last iteration, it is surprising that the Exynos went from underperforming last year, to beating snapdragon this year;
In our web browsing test, both Galaxy S10+s are showcasing outstanding longevity at 13.08h for the Exynos and 12.75h for the Snapdragon variant. Least to say, I was extremely surprised to see this result even though we measured the Exynos 9820 CPU to be quite less efficient than the Snapdragon 855 in peak performance efficiency. I would have not expected the Exynos to match the Snapdragon, much less slightly beat it.
Another point, the end of their battery page states
"One issue I can confirm with the Exynos unit is that after a voice call in any app, the phone isn’t correctly entering its lower power state, and will suffer from increased idle battery drain until a reboot. This is something that hopefully Samsung addresses in a firmware update as it doesn’t look to be a hardware related issue. When not affected by this bug, both phones idle very similar to each other and slightly better than the S9+ I use as my daily device."
Seriously? This guide is a day old and they even bothered to include a bug that has been fixed in ASBA, TWO firmwares ago, even with half the comments mentioning it has been fixed and it doesn't belong in their review, it's still there.
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The bug was not fixed two firmwares ago, I've no idea what you're talking about. I had it until yesterday when the new s10e patch fixed it, every time I had a teams or whatsapp call the deepsleep broke and I had to reboot the device.
This trashy excuse of a tech blog belongs in my fakenews domain blocking host, just so I stop seeing their poorly made articles whenever Google decides to shove them in my face.
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What other genuine review articles have you read that go as in depth as anandtech and talk about the scheduler, voltage and efficiency curves, the A75 A55 and Mongoose triple chip design, die shot with detailed cache information, testing and EVEN comparing it to a desktop 9900k, I would love to see your "non fakenews" blogs that go as in depth. Seems like you're sour about them being critical of something in an objective, factual way.
Don't get me wrong I love my Exynos S10e, the screen is gorgeous, I regularly get 7+ hours SOT, but there's still room for improvement in the thermals, it can do with a lot more tweaking. My hope is that by the time Note 10 comes out, they'll have worked out a lot of the software issues and also done a better Bright Night implementation, making this phone as good as it can be.
Let's stay on track here, everyone. No flaming will be permitted. Offending posts will be deleted.
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Anandtech disabled HDR on the Exynos, they also always pick the lowest scores when comparing benchmarks, the reviews is completely and ridiculously biased towards Qualcomm.
I should keep it classy but I must say they're full of shjt and their authors are incompetent and arrogant.
My HDR pictures are perfect and I'm sure about that, I'm not sure about Anandtech's reasoning behind their shady behaviour but it most likely involves money, if anything that will force Samsung to improve Exynos even more and purge that site of edgy geeks wannabe.
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suspected this.
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Joseph Gomes said:
It just means you don't know how to use Gcam. All those problems can be solved by changing the lib. If you can't change minor settings on android, you should stick to iphones.
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That kind of goes beyond "minor settings on Android", nobody guarantees that Gcam will always be better or even work, I checked some Gcam vs Stock samples and I wasn't impressed, low light was a bit better but everything else was worse and I think they went for the best lib options otherwise it would look even worse.
Samsung got struck for assuming everyone would be fine with AI deciding when to enable the night camera and they confirmed working on changing that, once that is changed(if implemented well) I'm confident that Gcam will have no benefit to bring on the table.
You were already warned by a mod previously to keep it civil, and it just went downhill from there.
I suggest all of you take a deep breath and realize this looks like a group of 12 year olds fighting about who's smarter.
Some of the past few posts had nothing to do with Gcam and more to do with belittling each other. If you want to have an argument about stock vs Gcam, that's perfectly acceptable, as long as it's calm. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there's no reason for name calling just because of someone's personal preference being different than yours.
Thread has been cleaned, let's keep it that way.
I have snapdragon and used gcam, I've since deleted it because the Samsung camera pictures simply look better, even low light. Just imho
Are you kidding to make a bounty for an app for a crap smartphone sensor? (All smartphone's camera sensors are crap)... for my curiosity, I measured myself the dynamic range of my S10+ Exynos with a calibrated grey card and I found is near 7 1/2 stops @ISO 50 taking in consideration the brightness only (the color DR is much worse), and my Canon M50 has double of that dynamic range and you can find it on Amazon for less than US$700. Who can even imagine to put money in a bounty for this?
I can't understand why people are discussing if the Samsung sensor that comes with the Exynos is better than the Sony that comes with the Snapdragon... both are crap, looking the people that are testing smartphone cameras I see none of them that are able to take a descent shot, why they don't start first to learn how to shot a good picture?
Do you think that I cared about if the sensor was good or not when I shot this pictures with my S7 some years ago, at that time I was worried about how much lost of quality I will get shooting behind a window instead of thinking about the sensor...
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Why don't you donate that US$100 to an NGO that will use that money in a useful way instead of wasting your money?
Lots of words and blah blah in this thread, but I've got images to prove that the Samsung Bright Night in its current form sucks, and either Samsung needs to step it up, or we need to move ahead with the bounty. Found this on the snapdragon gcam thread https://m.imgur.com/gallery/7VsVaTO
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The night mode on Exynos sucks, but overall sharpness is pretty bad for regular indoor pics. And the colors are washed out as compared to Snapdragon version. Samsung needs to fix all of these issues on Exynos.
Dunno what's going on.... the performance / battery figures and tests that are getting done
Some are coming out as being at or above 8Gen1 on antutu/3dmark ... some are coming in barely the same as S21U exynos.
Battery tests are coming out worse than S21U exynos ... just seems to be a nightmare of inconsistent tests.
I really hope they've shipped with wrong firmware or something is amiss as at the moment it just looks terrible for Samsung coming out worse than their own previous flagship
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<< Battery showing worse than S21U
<< S22 showing bad
Try turning off all power management... destroyer of worlds.
Go after the battery and/or bandwidth hogs on a case by case basis. Tone them down.
Cloud storage apps are trouble.
Disable carrier, Google, app and Samsung feedback. Disable Google Firebase.
To temporarily neuter Google disable Google play Services... see if that helps.
With Samsung a lot depends on how or if it's optimized. Android 12 isn't a pretty picture though... cpu cycle sucking scoped storage run is fully active.
blackhawk said:
Try turning off all power management... destroyer of worlds.
Go after the battery and/or bandwidth hogs on a case by case basis. Tone them down.
Cloud storage apps are trouble.
Disable carrier, Google, app and Samsung feedback. Disable Google Firebase.
To temporarily neuter Google disable Google play Services... see if that helps.
With Samsung a lot depends on how or if it's optimized. Android 12 isn't a pretty picture though... cpu cycle sucking scoped storage run is fully active.
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I don't have the phone -- just discussion
But you're right -- Android 12 is a real disaster in terms of performance .... really bad on my S21U ... it's got really slow since upgrade
blackhawk said:
Try turning off all power management... destroyer of worlds.
Go after the battery and/or bandwidth hogs on a case by case basis. Tone them down.
Cloud storage apps are trouble.
Disable carrier, Google, app and Samsung feedback. Disable Google Firebase.
To temporarily neuter Google disable Google play Services... see if that helps.
With Samsung a lot depends on how or if it's optimized. Android 12 isn't a pretty picture though... cpu cycle sucking scoped storage run is fully active.
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if i turn off all these things, what's the use of an expensive phone like this?
No thanks!
blackhawk said:
Try turning off all power management... destroyer of worlds.
Go after the battery and/or bandwidth hogs on a case by case basis. Tone them down.
Cloud storage apps are trouble.
Disable carrier, Google, app and Samsung feedback. Disable Google Firebase.
To temporarily neuter Google disable Google play Services... see if that helps.
With Samsung a lot depends on how or if it's optimized. Android 12 isn't a pretty picture though... cpu cycle sucking scoped storage run is fully active.
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so basically disable everything and use it as a 1990 phone LOL
I've got Android 12 on my Oneplus 7 pro and I really love i. Good battery life and very smooth with android 12 goodies. I believe all those issues (if they really exist for everyone) will be fixed with the update(s).
tim2london said:
so basically disable everything and use it as a 1990 phone LOL
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Enjoy your hand warmer...
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Enjoy your hand warmer...
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luxury accessory 2022
highlightshadow said:
Dunno what's going on.... the performance / battery figures and tests that are getting done
Some are coming out as being at or above 8Gen1 on antutu/3dmark ... some are coming in barely the same as S21U exynos.
Battery tests are coming out worse than S21U exynos ... just seems to be a nightmare of inconsistent tests.
I really hope they've shipped with wrong firmware or something is amiss as at the moment it just looks terrible for Samsung coming out worse than their own previous flagship
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<< exynos showing really high
<< Battery showing worse than S21U
<< S22 showing bad
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Interesting that all the middling reviews are from the Exynos variant. I haven't seen one that has these performance issues with the Snapdragon version... Sigh... Once again two different phones IMO. Luckily Indonesian gets the Snapdragon version this year.
My note 10+ is on A12, zero bugs, battery is ok...
Makonator said:
My note 10+ is on A12, zero bugs, battery is ok...
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No performance issues either.
I'm waiting for my green S22 Ultra Snapdragon variant. So far it seems that most of the reviews on YouTube is for the Exynos variant.
For what it's worth, poor camera review for S22U Exynos variant @ DXOmark - outperformed by some phones almost 2 years old.......
This is the final nail in the coffin for me and samsung --- Exynos is a failed experiment for them -- it needs to go --- treating some big markets with an repeatedly inferior device, poor peformance in both gaming and camera but charging every bit as much (or more) than many other markets ... Done with Samsung
And now this:
Samsung Galaxy S22+ and S22 Ultra's 45W charging doesn't really make a difference
Samsung is so far behind the competition when it comes to charging speeds it can barely see it in the distance. Samsung’s Galaxy S22 series finally brought...
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Not looking good.
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And now this:
Samsung Galaxy S22+ and S22 Ultra's 45W charging doesn't really make a difference
Samsung is so far behind the competition when it comes to charging speeds it can barely see it in the distance. Samsung’s Galaxy S22 series finally brought...
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Not looking good.
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There is a slight chance that they might have been using the older 45W charger instead of the newer version for this test. I say slight because Gsmarena are usually very through and don't make these kinds of oversights. Either way it's another bad look for Samsung if they're repeating the same fiasco from the Note 10 days..
I gues this is once again kind of a misscommunication from samsung - at least getting hopes to high on what to achieve with a 45Watt Charger...
Looking at the provided charts it seems that the benefits oh higher charging speed take place between 10% and roughly 65% of the battery level.
Afterwards it falls back on the same levels as a 25 Watt Charger. Which is, from a "longlivity" point of view, quiet understandable.
I’ve had the US Snapdragon model for 3 days and have had no performance issues whatsoever. In fact data speeds and smoothness are the best part about the phone.