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Are you buying the pixel 2 ?

My pixel works fine along with my Nexus 5x and 6. With the new pixel 2 around the corner are you buying it? I hate to be the stereotypical American who consumes in excess and buys things they don't need but I know ill resist for a month or 2 then cave in.

mikeprius said:
My pixel works fine along with my Nexus 5x and 6. With the new pixel 2 around the corner are you buying it? I hate to be the stereotypical American who consumes in excess and buys things they don't need but I know ill resist for a month or 2 then cave in.
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I'm getting sucked into reading the stories about the pixel 2. If I was practical, it would be hard to justify a new phone. What new features do I need that won't come from a software update? I do wish I had 64 gigs. Recently had to factory reset and that got me back down to 26 gigs used.
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mikeprius said:
My pixel works fine along with my Nexus 5x and 6. With the new pixel 2 around the corner are you buying it? I hate to be the stereotypical American who consumes in excess and buys things they don't need but I know ill resist for a month or 2 then cave in.
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Of course I'm going to get it. However, there are a bunch of caveats and prerequisites in order to justify the purchase. And naturally a few different scenarios. Gift the Pixel to a family member that has a crappy S5 or any other Samsung device, sell it on Swappa, use it as a backup device in case something goes wrong with the Pixel 2 and you need to wait for a replacement, stuff like that. Personally, I'm in for the gifting and then it's justified right off the bat even though I still have a year left to pay it off. But the family member is on my VZW account so nothing it really changed in that regard. (wow, that S5 is a piece of junk, Yes, that's for all you Sammy trolls)
Then there's the price. I only paid $240 for the Pixel in the wee hours of Black Friday. I had a chance to depixel8 the device but chose not to. I had no intention of ever unlocking the bootloader or rooting so I just took the updates. I'd do the same thing here if the price were the same. Google never had a black Friday deal and I could not justify paying 7 bills since my 5x was working perfectly and still does. (running Android O beta, locked bootloader on that too) Bottom line for me is never buy it on any other day than BF and get the best price possible, locked or not. I fully expect VZW to keep the bl locked and I don't care if I can get the phone for $300 or close to it. I won't spend a nickel over $400 tax included. Since the Pixel and the XL are working so well and a lot of people are on a 2 year installment plan of sorts, I believe they will have some discounts on it during the holiday season. Just keep your eyes peeled since the deals are strictly for black Friday hours only. Come Saturday the deals are off the table.
PS I should save this post to remind myself of rational thought when the device is released.

I'm considering upgrading to a larger screen but I just switched to t-mobile and sadly Google only offers the Pixels to Verizon for resale. So unless I can get one on device payments I'll probably stick with my Pixel.

I can understand buying the Pixel over the Nexus. The Nexus always had that element that caused it to get laggy over time and stutter, but the Pixel is a massive step from the previous nexus 5x I had. All my phone are in working condition and i actually offered to loan someone whose phone stopped working my Nexus 5X.
The Pixel though hasent given me any issues. I think at the very least I'll wait until next year to buy it. It seems like the first batch of phones tend to have issues. I remember the first Pixels has that crackling speaker issue, but since this one actually works well I'll have to think about it myself. If I do maybe not until 2018

They are going to have to really nail it to get me to upgrade right away. This is a great phone.

Not sure yet, nothing wrong with this one, might wait for the pixel 3, this is just a great phone
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If it has front speakers and 600mhz TMobile band support
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bobby janow said:
Bottom line for me is never buy it on any other day than BF and get the best price possible, locked or not.
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I'd also expect the Verizon Pixel 2 to have deals during Black Friday. There are typically also good offers on carrier phones at times during November and December. I could have saved a bit by waiting longer to buy. I think the best offer in 2016 only lasted a few days.
https://slickdeals.net/f/9417827-be...-e-gift-card?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo
Many of the Verizon offers have generally trended towards bill credits recently, where you have to buy their service for two years to get the price reduction, yet the Verizon S8 had a Device Payment Plan offer last month where the financed price was reported as $300+ less than retail.
https://slickdeals.net/f/10382028-v...req-best-buy?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo

No
Probably will wait until the 3, because my 1 is still in great shape

So got to add BT headphones to the mix too. Been wanting a pair anyway, this will probably force my hand. I have Grado now and they are amazing. I don't think they make BT yet so does anyone have some that are in the 100-200 range that are just killer?

I personally don't use bluetooth. Based on the renderings, I think I'll definitely wait at least for a bit. If it turns out to be just the Pixel with a few enhancements then it will be easier to pass. I was hoping for front facing speakers, but dosent seem to be happening. Also they are removing the headphone jack which I like. Something minor but should start being standard.....waterproofing, hopefully this new one is officially water resistant/proof.
It looks like they will have several versions or atleast 2 which is good. Everthing now seems to be 5.5"+, I cannot do these jumbo sized phones, I'm probably the only one, but I don't like excessively large phones. Hence why I got the small pixel.

Pixel 2 will be 5". As for BT I'd like to get rid of the cord if fidelity is as good. Waterproofing is not minor! Lol. That's almost a prerequisite at this point.
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I'll have to probably update this post. If Google follows the Note 8 and prices the Pixel 2 at $900+, then that's a definite "no" for getting it. Beyond unacceptable. I'll keep the phones I have or switch to a GSM carrier and buy a One Plus.
When you throw in taxes and optional insurance, you are looking at a total over $1000

imma skip to the pixel 3. it's not worth it considering how good the pixel/pixel xl are to date

I was but it doesn't have band 71
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i just got pixel by selling oneplus 3 and i am quite happy. don't need a new phone for some time.

No LTE band 71 for Tmobile 600 mhz. Not good Google
http://www.droid-life.com/2017/08/15/google-pixel-2-hit-fcc-today-reveals-ton-phone/

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/9/19/16335018/google-pixel-2-xl-price-colors-leak
$849 for 64GB
$949 for 128GB
Y so cheap ?

mikeprius said:
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/9/19/16335018/google-pixel-2-xl-price-colors-leak
$849 for 64GB
$949 for 128GB
Y so cheap ?
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Ouch! Never owned anything but a Google phone. Im starting to rethink this.

Preorder the new Pixel-2/Pixel-XL-2 I totally did!

So I never wanted to be like those -bleeping- iPhone users always buying the latest BS about the new phone they are coming our with, but with the Google store offering me $350 for my current pixel in near perfect condition, how could I say no to an XL2. LMFAO looks like they got me ?? let's hope it's just as good if not better, anyone else trading in?

I'm thinking the same thing, the trade in for my Pixel makes it worth it to pick up the pixel 2. Before the trade in was announced I was planning to skip the 2

ne0ns4l4m4nder said:
So I never wanted to be like those -bleeping- iPhone users always buying the latest BS about the new phone they are coming our with, but with the Google store offering me $350 for my current pixel in near perfect condition, how could I say no to an XL2. LMFAO looks like they got me let's hope it's just as good if not better, anyone else trading in?
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Same here. I had no intention of preordering the XL2 but that trade in and 0% financing hooked me. I always wanted the XL but it was out of stock for the longest time.
EDIT: Canceled the order because of the curved screen on the XL 2 and am going for a regular XL instead.

0% financing is only if you're a new customer....Read the fine print. :/

eyekantbeme said:
0% financing is only if you're a new customer....Read the fine print. :/
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I am

I decided to jump in and trade my Verizon model pixel (still bitter about the locked bootloader) for a pixel 2 XL. I wouldn't have made the jump either without that trade in credit.

I ended up pre-ordering a Google version Pixel 2, coming from a Verizon Pixel. I was paying monthly for my original pixel, so I owe about $300 left on it. Figure I'll take the $350 to pay that off and get a free Google home mini (already have a regular home in the living room).

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eyekantbeme said:
0% financing is only if you're a new customer....Read the fine print. :/
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Misterxtc said:
I am
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No 0apr is for everyone I called them and that's what they told me

I pulled the trigger and used my early upgrade on Verizon, send in my Pixel and getting the just black XL2 128gb. I won't get the 300$ credit but it pays of my pixel and still get mini home. Now before I get chastised for taking the vwz version understand that it really our only option for cell carriers where we live and we use the beyond unlimited plan for our internet( again best option in our area). I may be screwed when it comes to unlocking and so on but with rootless substratum and Nova launcher I think I'll be just fine.

Verizon no longer subsidizes devices, which eliminates the only reason why I ever bought devices from them. Unlocked Pixel 2 XL, here I come! I didn't have anything to trade in so I paid full retail, but hopefully they'll give me a nice fat trade in deal when future pixels come out (and hopefully they'll be good enough phones that I still want to buy them).

Ditto on 2XL. The trade in was a yuge plus. I've been envying the close to bezel-less display on the new phones. Plus the new dx0 rating was a big incentive. I love the pics on my pixel so when I saw it rated even better, had to get this next iteration.

It is damn good to trade in for you guys. but for those who live abroad US, very difficult to get a pixel phone.

eBay?

ne0ns4l4m4nder said:
No 0apr is for everyone I called them and that's what they told me
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0% APR for everyone on "phone" purchase. All other, such as accessories, purchases are 29.99%.

TheSt33v said:
Verizon no longer subsidizes devices, which eliminates the only reason why I ever bought devices from them. Unlocked Pixel 2 XL, here I come! I didn't have anything to trade in so I paid full retail, but hopefully they'll give me a nice fat trade in deal when future pixels come out (and hopefully they'll be good enough phones that I still want to buy them).
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Depends. I got about 50% off on my Pixel through Verizon when they had a promo going on. And the promos happen pretty frequently. So you can get better deals through the carrier (provided you stay for 2 years, as the discount is done in monthly installments over 2 years).
Otherwise, I'll wait for Pixel 3, my current phone Pixel is still perfect, zero issues (and hopefully they bring the headphone jack back, but probably not, so this may well be my first and last Google phone).

Sakete said:
Depends. I got about 50% off on my Pixel through Verizon when they had a promo going on. And the promos happen pretty frequently. So you can get better deals through the carrier (provided you stay for 2 years, as the discount is done in monthly installments over 2 years).
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While Verizon has primarily moved their offers to bill credits, there are still occasional Verizon deals with reduced phone prices from retailers like Best Buy. The better offers are typically discussed endlessly at Slickdeals. Based on last year's deals, I'd expect there to be offers on the Verizon Pixel 2 at times from Black Friday through the end of the year, especially for anyone that's okay with bill credits.

Take a breath! Wait for Black Friday deals from Verizon. They will have the device for more than half off. Day after, Saturday, you will get the same deal but need to trade something in. Friday .. well just let me say I paid $240 for my Pixel no trade in. But you need to wait until the Thursday before when they announce it. If they don't, and they might not this year, you're only out a month or so.

I mean that's if you want the o so expensive plan Verizon offers with a locked bootloader and bloat, I'd rather spend the extra money and get a phone worth buying than one filled with crapware

ne0ns4l4m4nder said:
I mean that's if you want the o so expensive plan Verizon offers with a locked bootloader and bloat, I'd rather spend the extra money and get a phone worth buying than one filled with crapware
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The Verizon bootloader will likely be locked again, and that's about it. On the first generation phone the few Verizon apps can be removed in the Play store, and non-Verizon customers can move to the appropriate firmware for their service. Most Verizon offers are bill payments that require users to stay on their service to receive the savings, but in 2017 there have still been some offers from retailers without bill payments, so that it isn't necessary to stay with Verizon. Most likely I'll just wait to see the Pixel 3, but if a deal on a Pixel 2 comes close to the best offer the first-generation phone had in 2016, I might consider going without root.
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Serious Question...

I'm really on the fence about ordering a OnePlus 7 Pro. I have a 512gb Note9 with an encrypted bootloader now and I'm bored out of my freaking mind.
I've been watching Swappa closely, just to see what is trending. I actually started watching Swappa for a deal on a Pixel 3XL and kinda ended up in the OnePlus 7 Pro section too. If I order a Oneplus 7 Pro I will get it direct from OnePlus just for warranty peace of mind.
But I see a disturbing trend of all the OnePlus 7 Pro's going up for sale rather quickly. Pretty common to see "only used for 2 days" or even "used once or twice" and then boxed back up promptly for resale..... WHY?
Why is everybody using this device once or twice and then immediately trying to sell if off? Got me pretty concerned about making a $782.19 purchase. It was a lot easier to stomach when a OnePlus was only $500.

Why don't you ask them? There could be many reasons. I'm very happy with mine, I would have no idea why someone else isn't.

I guess the best you can do is watch some YouTube reviews,read about common issues and concerns,I don't use swappa but maybe you could message a seller there and ask,
Id imagine people just find the phone too big,don't like the curved display,most likely something to do with the design I'd say.

djsubterrain said:
Why don't you ask them? There could be many reasons. I'm very happy with mine, I would have no idea why someone else isn't.
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I try not to spam their listing with questions when I have no intention of actually purchasing the item. I also couldn't expect them to answer candidly on the same page they are tying to recoup $700 on.
Whenever possible I follow their XDA names/links and send a PM asking. No responses so far. I did see one guy state he was selling because he was just to "entrenched in the Apple Ecosystem" but if he was going to keep an Android the OnePlus 7 Pro is "the phone to have". Then an hour later he purchased a Pixel 3XL in another listing I was also watching. :silly:

Pretty stupid on their part. They just return the phone in the first 14 days and not lose $250 from the resale cost. I have patience for stupidity.

Eric214 said:
Pretty stupid on their part. They just return the phone in the first 14 days and not lose $250 from the resale cost. I have patience for stupidity.
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I did see one of the sellers say he was trying to sell it on Swappa because OnePlus charges a 15% restocking fee. If that is true its news to me.
manus31 said:
I guess the best you can do is watch some YouTube reviews,read about common issues and concerns,I don't use swappa but maybe you could message a seller there and ask,
Id imagine people just find the phone too big,don't like the curved display,most likely something to do with the design I'd say.
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I've been watching YouTube videos and reviews and unboxings and scouring the internet pretty much nonstop since the release. I'm not worried about ghost touches as I never use NFC. Size, weight and curved edges are all the bees knees to me. I'm an HTC Max user from way back and always buy the biggest screen available in any line.
The only real deal breaker problem I could see is if the camera produced literally unusable pictures. I take LOTS of pictures daily. They don't have to be better than the Samsung's or the Pixels (I've had both). But they do need to be worth keeping. I'm afraid the only way I will be able to answer that question is to see for myself in person ie order one.
I will say I am pretty picky about the color though. I don't really care for the Nebula Blue much but I REALLY want that 12GB ram...

Namolas said:
I try not to spam their listing with questions when I have no intention of actually purchasing the item. I also couldn't expect them to answer candidly on the same page they are tying to recoup $700 on.
Whenever possible I follow their XDA names/links and send a PM asking. No responses so far. I did see one guy state he was selling because he was just to "entrenched in the Apple Ecosystem" but if he was going to keep an Android the OnePlus 7 Pro is "the phone to have". Then an hour later he purchased a Pixel 3XL in another listing I was also watching. :silly:
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Due to the number of people who have tried unlocks, etc and had issues I would be, at least, looking for photos or video of the device working before you stump over the cash but yeah, it's a great phone so watch some reviews and if you like what you see, go for it

The 12gb ram model was the one OnePlus sent out as review units/influencers/promoters. They could just be u loading. Also people buy phones without checking compatibility, maybe not for their carrier. If not on T-Mobile there's always some issue, i.e. Sprint not working at all, att not WiFi calling, Verizon cdma_less issues. Could be any number of issues but don't let that worry you. Same thing happens with every phone that is released. I personally sold my s10e after 3 days just because, there was no "I need to keep tilhis phone" feeling. My op7 pro gives me that feeling , it's one of the best phones I've ever used, and I replaced my pixel 3 xl with it.

strictlyphat said:
The 12gb ram model was the one OnePlus sent out as review units/influencers/promoters. They could just be u loading. Also people buy phones without checking compatibility, maybe not for their carrier. If not on T-Mobile there's always some issue, i.e. Sprint not working at all, att not WiFi calling, Verizon cdma_less issues. Could be any number of issues but don't let that worry you. Same thing happens with every phone that is released. I personally sold my s10e after 3 days just because, there was no "I need to keep tilhis phone" feeling. My op7 pro gives me that feeling , it's one of the best phones I've ever used, and I replaced my pixel 3 xl with it.
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Well, that's the big decision I've been trying to make. Its between the Pixel 3XL or the OnePlus 7 Pro. I just feel you are getting so much more with the 7 Pro. No regrets leaving the 3XL?
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Due to the number of people who have tried unlocks, etc and had issues I would be, at least, looking for photos or video of the device working before you stump over the cash but yeah, it's a great phone so watch some reviews and if you like what you see, go for it
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Think I'm gonna pull the trigger! If you don't mind me asking what color/variant did you guys get? Anything you would change now that you've had it a while?

Namolas said:
Well, that's the big decision I've been trying to make. Its between the Pixel 3XL or the OnePlus 7 Pro. I just feel you are getting so much more with the 7 Pro. No regrets leaving the 3XL?
Think I'm gonna pull the trigger! If you don't mind me asking what color/variant did you guys get? Anything you would change now that you've had it a while?
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None at all. Pixel 3xl performance is garbage. Hiccups, stuttering was terribly annoying. Only good things were camera and software day 1. I'm like those swappa sellers you're skeptical about, I change my phone monthly sometimes. In 4 years I've made 90 sales, 60 were my personal use device. The longest I've kept a phone was OnePlus 6 for 6 months. Ill never fo back to iOS, and in Android world OnePlus is my favorite. I don't use camera just for pics of the kids. I NEVER take selfies.
I ended up with the 8gb blue direct from oneplus. I wanted the 12gb but it was 14 days until shipping and couldn't wait. I got the T-Mobile gray on lau ch day but hated the software/sim lock/ single sim, but the 12gb would have gotten here after my return period was up with T-Mobile. Still no regrets, I don't think it would have bee. Any big change in performance. I'm still surprised to how many apps are still where I left them even several hours later.

Namolas said:
Well, that's the big decision I've been trying to make. Its between the Pixel 3XL or the OnePlus 7 Pro. I just feel you are getting so much more with the 7 Pro. No regrets leaving the 3XL?
Think I'm gonna pull the trigger! If you don't mind me asking what color/variant did you guys get? Anything you would change now that you've had it a while?
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:laugh:

Just do it. My sequence was Pixel 3XL > S10+> OnePlus 7 pro
I just gave one UI other chance as you see, but stock Android and OOS(near stock) are way better, especially together with a hardware top of the line (OnePlus 7pro).

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None at all. Pixel 3xl performance is garbage. Hiccups, stuttering was terribly annoying. Only good things were camera and software day 1. I'm like those swappa sellers you're skeptical about, I change my phone monthly sometimes. In 4 years I've made 90 sales, 60 were my personal use device. The longest I've kept a phone was OnePlus 6 for 6 months. Ill never fo back to iOS, and in Android world OnePlus is my favorite. I don't use camera just for pics of the kids. I NEVER take selfies.
I ended up with the 8gb blue direct from oneplus. I wanted the 12gb but it was 14 days until shipping and couldn't wait. I got the T-Mobile gray on lau ch day but hated the software/sim lock/ single sim, but the 12gb would have gotten here after my return period was up with T-Mobile. Still no regrets, I don't think it would have bee. Any big change in performance. I'm still surprised to how many apps are still where I left them even several hours later.
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Wow you really got that Swappa ? down!
So I guess I need to decide if I go with 12GB and wait 12 days for delivery and then have to try to cover up that nebula blue with a skin or something. Or go with Grey , get it in 2 days and don't have to worry about covering up that blue. Decisions decisions....

strictlyphat said:
None at all. Pixel 3xl performance is garbage. Hiccups, stuttering was terribly annoying. Only good things were camera and software day 1. I'm like those swappa sellers you're skeptical about, I change my phone monthly sometimes. In 4 years I've made 90 sales, 60 were my personal use device. The longest I've kept a phone was OnePlus 6 for 6 months. Ill never fo back to iOS, and in Android world OnePlus is my favorite. I don't use camera just for pics of the kids. I NEVER take selfies.
I ended up with the 8gb blue direct from oneplus. I wanted the 12gb but it was 14 days until shipping and couldn't wait. I got the T-Mobile gray on lau ch day but hated the software/sim lock/ single sim, but the 12gb would have gotten here after my return period was up with T-Mobile. Still no regrets, I don't think it would have bee. Any big change in performance. I'm still surprised to how many apps are still where I left them even several hours later.
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I completely agree about the Pixel 3 XL performance, complete garbage. At the time I had the Pixel 3 XL, T-Mobile OnePlus 6t, and unlocked OnePlus 6t from OnePlus. I sold the Pixel. The only thing that phone has going for it was the camera, and like you said day one software updates, but the performance is horrible on that phone.

Namolas said:
I'm really on the fence about ordering a OnePlus 7 Pro. I have a 512gb Note9 with an encrypted bootloader now and I'm bored out of my freaking mind.
I've been watching Swappa closely, just to see what is trending. I actually started watching Swappa for a deal on a Pixel 3XL and kinda ended up in the OnePlus 7 Pro section too. If I order a Oneplus 7 Pro I will get it direct from OnePlus just for warranty peace of mind.
But I see a disturbing trend of all the OnePlus 7 Pro's going up for sale rather quickly. Pretty common to see "only used for 2 days" or even "used once or twice" and then boxed back up promptly for resale..... WHY?
Why is everybody using this device once or twice and then immediately trying to sell if off? Got me pretty concerned about making a $782.19 purchase. It was a lot easier to stomach when a OnePlus was only $500.
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I see this with every phone that comes out. Samsung etc.. it's what people do

Namolas said:
I did see one of the sellers say he was trying to sell it on Swappa because OnePlus charges a 15% restocking fee. If that is true its news to me.
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They only do that in the US... frustrating yeah but 15% of the most expensive phone at $750 is just $112 so I still ask, why sell it on swappa and take a $200 hit? I think you said he was selling for $500? Doesn't make much sense to me, he'd still get more money back just returning it.
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Namolas said:
Wow you really got that Swappa down!
So I guess I need to decide if I go with 12GB and wait 12 days for delivery and then have to try to cover up that nebula blue with a skin or something. Or go with Grey , get it in 2 days and don't have to worry about covering up that blue. Decisions decisions....
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Your going to have to cover either phone. They are WAY too slippery to really use naked. I used to use my phones naked (I've never dropped a phone) but I don't trust these phones sine teh OP5 and OP6 and not OP 7Pro.

I've always had black or grey phones but the blue is amazing. I agree it is so slippery being olephobic gorilla glass. I hate to cover it. It like a minimal perimeter case.
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I got the blue one
Why not use the included case? It's a perfect fit and doesn't cover up the beautiful back or the light around the edge. I've always put a case on my phones and have never cracked or broken a phone in any way. This bad boy is slippery and I have no problem or issue using the clear case!!

Eric214 said:
Pretty stupid on their part. They just return the phone in the first 14 days and not lose $250 from the resale cost. I have patience for stupidity.
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Exactly. I too have no patience for stupidity.
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Namolas said:
Well, that's the big decision I've been trying to make. Its between the Pixel 3XL or the OnePlus 7 Pro. I just feel you are getting so much more with the 7 Pro. No regrets leaving the 3XL?
Think I'm gonna pull the trigger! If you don't mind me asking what color/variant did you guys get? Anything you would change now that you've had it a while?
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I got the blue one from T-mobile, I always get blue if it's available for the phone I am interested in since it's my favorite color. I too sometimes switch phones monthly which I have the option of doing if I want since I am a Jump On Demand customer with T-Mobile and have that option. Longest I have kept a phone in the last year is almost 2.5 months.

I switched from the Note 9. 90hz screen made it a keeper for me. Camera is not bad as some ppl make it seem but of course the Note 9 camera is better. Haptic feedback is also better but still not on the same level like on the iPhone and Pixel yet. I've also bought the Nillkin Type C Wireless Charging USB C Receiver for wireless charging and Elevation Lab USB-C CordDock as a secondary even though honestly I really didn't need to purchase that as the wireless reciever works. Battery is the same as on the Note 9. The only thing I miss is one handed mode. Stock android and or Oxygen OS should really develop a one handed mode since these phones are getting larger each year.

4a or 4?

Hey, time to upgrade finally. I like the ROM support on this 4a here, lots to try and still some straggling replies here and there. I feel like I'll have better troubleshooting here
I don't like the 4a price, I found a 4 open box for cheaper. I also like the specs on the 4 better. Important things now are root, and gaming speed. If one of those 4 ROMs work I feel like the performance will suit me better?? What's gonna happen if I flash all these cool ROMs on my pixel 4...?
The negatives for the 4a are price and performance but I'm not sure how much different it will be between the two. Negatives for the 4 are 64gb and low activity and only 3 ROMs to try with very little support. I'll save money with the 4, the one game I play might run a little smoother...what's the call guys??

My simple advice:
I wouldn't let the price effect your decision at all because it would be a one-time "hit" (a one-time problem that goes away as soon as you buy the phone).
However, if the phone you pick doesn't do what you want, then that's a continuous "hit" (you will always have to deal with it)

Good advice. I take it as get the 4 cuz I like it better, price is lower, but XDA is not busy with it anymore/much to begin with.
That's where its weird. I found a 64gb pixel 4 for 250. I know I like the specs on the 4 better. The phone I would prefer before I came here and found a nearly dead pixel 4 forum is the pixel 4. I'm on a pixel xl generation 1, so won't I notice insane performance differences anyway?
The problem here is the cheaper phone is what I want, open box. So kinda almost new to me. The problem with the phone I want is XDA is pretty quiet on it. I don't really expect a reply on the 4 thread, where the 4a seems to have daily activity still. I wanna play with custom ROMs and try them out and use my unlimited data for hotspot. I like the cheaper option for hardware, but XDA is much more active over the 4a. This is my conundrum...

FWIW, the past day I've seen several 4a's listed as "mint" on Swappa sell for $250-$265. I contemplated buying one myself but can't really justify it yet. They sold within an hour of being posted. You'd need to be ready to act if you go that route & find one listed at that price. You could also try to negotiate one of the higher priced ones down.
Good luck!

The 4 is open box, which I assume is basically new. Returns and stuff people hopefully didn't use long. The 4a I would just buy new to have a new phone rather than 4a. Plus google unlocks it, no OEM unlock issues...
I like the 4 better kinda but again, no responses in the 4 and 2 different responses here just on suggestions. Not even messing with ROMs yet...
The issue is I'll pay 349 for a new 4a, no 5g, for a phone less powerful than my other option at 250. The phone I was is crickets on XDA lol there's two ROMs I would try and if they work well enough I don't care but troubleshooting with quiet threads is not fun.
I guess keep an eye on swappa for a mint one around the same price? But I buy open box usually, not mint. So idk haha. Would be nice to know I'm the only owner of a device.

The 4a has way better battery life and more rom options. Also didn't realize how much I missed the headphone jack. That's my 2¢

I figured everyone may want an update?
In true personal fashion I spent hours and days researching which one, was going to go with the 4a, bought a pixel 5.
Paypal credit opened a line way bigger than I expected, and whatever, time I had a new phone lol
Thanks everyone, I'll make sure you all got them

PIxel 5 is actually my first choice, followed by the 4a 5G. I can't justify the prices though.
Hope you like your new phone!

I wanted the 4a after some discussion in here, the 4a 5g is on the same page. Little XDA support like the 4, but another 150 and I'm on 5g. That was really tough to ignore. 5g chances my existence entirely. Its available where I live and it will literally change my life lol I know that sounds stupid but its true.
Here's I how justified it:
Took the 349 I had set aside for the 4a, fumbled around, delivered food, went to work, did some math...PayPal credit gives you six months no interest, 699-349/6/4 means I just need to pocket 14.58 weekly, 2.09 daily for 6 months for the difference to have the phone today. This is my internet, sprint (or whatever) unlimited with hotspot unlocked. I have 5 devices connected as I type this to LTE, that's OK? But nothing compared to even the cheapest broadband. But I don't pay for any. The other option is to stash 33 weekly for 6 months and I could remake that 349 AND the difference...somebody needs to give me a better direction if you cannot tell...
5g device, baddest otterbox I can find, and I'm set for 3-5 years. I'm on the pixel xl and its perfect except its dead cell and could certainly use a ftrim, dalvik wipe/art wipe, whatever it is called today, just worried it will break pogo lol god I'm lame plus now I have yet another device to connect to my WiFi lol
Because of that 5g, I was pulled towards the 4a 5g, and at that point its 499 so...applied for PayPal credit on a joke, they gave me a huge line of credit :/ and I got a pixel 5 in the mail lol probably gonna beat the sim card

Worth it in 2021/22?

Looking to get one of these for my daughter. She broke her Nokia 7.1 display and asked for something that takes better pictures if we're replacing her phone anyway. I had Gcam running on that Nokia but I think an actual Pixel would do her better, and just run smoother too.
With the current prices for used/refurbed, I think a P3 XL would be great, even if there are no more updates for it.
What do you guys think? Any versions to avoid or issues to look out for? Someone mentioned that battery life is iffy especially on a used model, but she's not a power user (mostly music, some messages and calls and occasional selfies with friends- no social media or browsing).
Good idea or bad idea?

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Looking to get one of these for my daughter. She broke her Nokia 7.1 display and asked for something that takes better pictures if we're replacing her phone anyway. I had Gcam running on that Nokia but I think an actual Pixel would do her better, and just run smoother too.
With the current prices for used/refurbed, I think a P3 XL would be great, even if there are no more updates for it.
What do you guys think? Any versions to avoid or issues to look out for? Someone mentioned that battery life is iffy especially on a used model, but she's not a power user (mostly music, some messages and calls and occasional selfies with friends- no social media or browsing).
Good idea or bad idea?
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I think it's a good idea, with some caveats. Excellent for the mentioned needs, but as said, even if it's described as 'Mint', odds are the battery has been cycled hundreds of times.
This is listed on ebay for 219, brand new, unlocked. I've bought from that seller and they are reputable for sure. At least going that route you won't have to worry about the battery.
Yeah no more official updates from google, but Lineage will continue to make builds for this device for (probably) years to come.
Absolutely worth considering.

Things to look out for - a locked bootloader. Verizon and AT&T phones have locked bootloaders. You can't install LOS with a locked bootloader, so no more updates for those phones. Also, when sellers say the phone is unlocked, they mean the SIM is unlocked, not the bootloader.
I'd go with a new, unused phone if you can still find one. Besides battery on a used phone, there is this problem to consider. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/fix-pixel-3-qusb_bulk_cid-xxxx_sn-xxxxxxxx.4205331/
I just had my Pixel 3 battery replaced at uBreakIfix for $100. The original battery lasted 2 years. I could have nursed it along a few months more, but decided it was time.
Also consider a new Pixel 2, if you can find one. I bought a new Pixel 2 XL a couple of months ago. It was much cheaper than the Pixel 3s were going for.
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Looking to get one of these for my daughter. She broke her Nokia 7.1 display and asked for something that takes better pictures if we're replacing her phone anyway. I had Gcam running on that Nokia but I think an actual Pixel would do her better, and just run smoother too.
With the current prices for used/refurbed, I think a P3 XL would be great, even if there are no more updates for it.
What do you guys think? Any versions to avoid or issues to look out for? Someone mentioned that battery life is iffy especially on a used model, but she's not a power user (mostly music, some messages and calls and occasional selfies with friends- no social media or browsing).
Good idea or bad idea?
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Yikes, the battery bit that hard over 2 years, huh?
I bought a Galaxy S10 used that still has decent battery, and my LG G7 which is around the same generation as the Pixel 3 still can go all day. Is the Pixel battery just more prone to conking out early? She could use my LG but honestly I sold her on the Gcam, dual selfies and unlimited google photo storage (she's been using compressed storage for photos since it was free on all phones, and missed the memo about losing all her storage space earlier this year).
Here's the thing:
If I get it from Swappa, it comes with a 3-month Mint SIM trial prepaid. She's on Google Voice so I tend to swap plans around whenever there's a deal, so that knocks about $45 off the price of the phone since I'd be otherwise paying that $15 a month elsewhere. Still worth getting new over that deal? There are pretty mint ones (9 out of 10 condition) for under $150 there, so total would be ~$100 after service discount.

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Yikes, the battery bit that hard over 2 years, huh?
I bought a Galaxy S10 used that still has decent battery, and my LG G7 which is around the same generation as the Pixel 3 still can go all day. Is the Pixel battery just more prone to conking out early? She could use my LG but honestly I sold her on the Gcam, dual selfies and unlimited google photo storage (she's been using compressed storage for photos since it was free on all phones, and missed the memo about losing all her storage space earlier this year).
Here's the thing:
If I get it from Swappa, it comes with a 3-month Mint SIM trial prepaid. She's on Google Voice so I tend to swap plans around whenever there's a deal, so that knocks about $45 off the price of the phone since I'd be otherwise paying that $15 a month elsewhere. Still worth getting new over that deal? There are pretty mint ones (9 out of 10 condition) for under $150 there, so total would be ~$100 after service discount.
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The battery would still last me all day, but it would discharge very fast once it got under 30%. I figured I'd rather replace it than risk losing the phone at a bad time.
As for price, it all depends on what deals you find. I paid $120 for the new Pixel 2 XL a couple of months ago. I get my service for $10 a month (with 500 Mb of data) from RedPocket. I'm quite satisfied with those numbers.

That's a good deal. Can't find a Pixel 2 right now new. I was paying $10 a month for 1GB of data previously but she's constantly running out from google photos and spotify, so was planning on moving up to $15 for 4GB on Mint anyway. Especially right now, buy 3 months get 3 free. So essentially 7.50 a month for the next 6 months!
However... if I get the free sim from Swappa its probably only 3 months. Either way, a good deal. If I buy new from Ebay (even if I could find it), I'd still have to pay for a Mint sim

dishe2 said:
Yikes, the battery bit that hard over 2 years, huh?
I bought a Galaxy S10 used that still has decent battery, and my LG G7 which is around the same generation as the Pixel 3 still can go all day. Is the Pixel battery just more prone to conking out early? She could use my LG but honestly I sold her on the Gcam, dual selfies and unlimited google photo storage (she's been using compressed storage for photos since it was free on all phones, and missed the memo about losing all her storage space earlier this year).
Here's the thing:
If I get it from Swappa, it comes with a 3-month Mint SIM trial prepaid. She's on Google Voice so I tend to swap plans around whenever there's a deal, so that knocks about $45 off the price of the phone since I'd be otherwise paying that $15 a month elsewhere. Still worth getting new over that deal? There are pretty mint ones (9 out of 10 condition) for under $150 there, so total would be ~$100 after service discount.
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I recently bought a 'Mint' Lg G8 on swappa, and it 'looked' pretty close to mint, very light small scratches on back. But when I modified the rom so I could see the 'svc menu', the battery stat indicated it had been fully cycled about 280 times. Research indicates a battery should last from 300 to 500 cycles. And just like dcarvil, this G8, when it gets to about 30%, it' drops fast. Incredibly fast.
Other phones I've bought on swappa that were 'open box', actually were exactly that, virtually new. Now we see sellers describe it as 'open box'... without the box!!
It's all anecdotal, some good, some bad, we take our chances.
cheers, good luck.

The Pixel 3 XL is still a great phone and should last a while. The processor is about the same as the Pixel 5.
I would recommend looking on Swappa as it is stricter than Ebay on quality and even a Fair Swappa phone is quite good and should describe the defects in the listing.
On swappa, the cheapest verizon and sprint 3 XL are under $100, but the Google or Tmobile version (which can be boot-loader unlocked and rooted are up to $150. Also notice that at $200 and above you can even get the Pixel 4 XL. Also, the 3a XL may be a cheap option, but it has slower processors so not as good, but still better than the old Nokia 7.1.
I definitely recommend one where the boot-loader is unlock-able as it opens up many options. To stay completely stock or unlock and use any OS build she would like.

elkinm said:
The Pixel 3 XL is still a great phone and should last a while. The processor is about the same as the Pixel 5.
I would recommend looking on Swappa as it is stricter than Ebay on quality and even a Fair Swappa phone is quite good and should describe the defects in the listing.
On swappa, the cheapest verizon and sprint 3 XL are under $100, but the Google or Tmobile version (which can be boot-loader unlocked and rooted are up to $150. Also notice that at $200 and above you can even get the Pixel 4 XL. Also, the 3a XL may be a cheap option, but it has slower processors so not as good, but still better than the old Nokia 7.1.
I definitely recommend one where the boot-loader is unlock-able as it opens up many options. To stay completely stock or unlock and use any OS build she would like.
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I found a swappa 128 gb in good condition for $120, and it's supposed to be the Google version so bootloader unlockable!
Just ordered it. I've heard mixed things about the latest A12 roms, so I like the idea of keeping it unlockable for customs. Are there are any good aftermarket roms that stay close to stock re: network function (VOLTE)?
I've have bad experience with Lineage based roms in the past because networks like Tmobile where I live rely on VOLTE for decent calling support.

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I found a swappa 128 gb in good condition for $120, and it's supposed to be the Google version so bootloader unlockable!
Just ordered it. I've heard mixed things about the latest A12 roms, so I like the idea of keeping it unlockable for customs. Are there are any good aftermarket roms that stay close to stock re: network function (VOLTE)?
I've have bad experience with Lineage based roms in the past because networks like Tmobile where I live rely on VOLTE for decent calling support.
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bad experience with lineage because u need volte? Volte works perfectly on lineage, sorry but your comment in that regard makes no sense. I had a pix 3 with lineage and volte and vowifi worked perfectly on it.
cheers

Well not on LG or Samsung devices that I've owned. Or Moto.
This is my first pixel, maybe it's different?

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Well not on LG or Samsung devices that I've owned. Or Moto.
This is my first pixel, maybe it's different?
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Well yes it is different. LG and Sammy for sure have proprietary IMS implementations, I'm not sure about Moto. What that means is that if the proprietary implementation can't be ported, then things like volte will only work on stock.

dishe2 said:
I found a swappa 128 gb in good condition for $120, and it's supposed to be the Google version so bootloader unlockable!
Just ordered it. I've heard mixed things about the latest A12 roms, so I like the idea of keeping it unlockable for customs. Are there are any good aftermarket roms that stay close to stock re: network function (VOLTE)?
I've have bad experience with Lineage based roms in the past because networks like Tmobile where I live rely on VOLTE for decent calling support.
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VoLTE works fine on my P3 with LOS 18.1.