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So... Verizon Edge Program.. How's that work?

I've got a Galaxy SIII on contract that used to expire in December but now expires in April. If I choose to take the Edge Program and upgrade "early", would I have to turn in my SIII or could I sell it on my own and apply that money toward a new phone?
I am torn between liking the ability to upgrade sooner, and hating the fact that my basic plan rate will not change even if I purchase the phone. It used to be that we subsidized our phones over two years on the plan, now, we pay subsidized rates PLUS Edge rates. So, effectively Verizon has raised our rates, if we choose to go Edge, right? Well, I digress... I am mainly interested in whether or not I can sell my phone or if I have to turn it in, and is the Edge Program really worth it for someone who can't stomach having a phone that is two years old... LOL

So with Edge you can get more frequent upgrades through verizon but it's as if you're buying the device off-contract and paying for it over time. Once you've paid at least half of the device's full price + at least 6 months has gone by you can choose to "Edge up" and get a new phone immediately by trading in your old phone. Thing is the cost you're paying monthly has been refreshed to the full price of the new device.
It's not really a good deal since you're essentially paying $300 + your old phone for a new one, plus it guarantees Verizon more income since each edge ensures you're paying full price.
You can get the same deal by waiting 6 months, selling your phone, buying a new one off contract. In many cases this may actually be cheaper. The GS3 is on the verge of going below $300 on eBay (in fact I think it already has). But of course that's an added hassle some don't want to deal with.
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Div033 said:
So with Edge you can get more frequent upgrades through verizon but it's as if you're buying the device off-contract and paying for it over time. Once you've paid at least half of the device's full price + at least 6 months has gone by you can choose to "Edge up" and get a new phone immediately by trading in your old phone. Thing is the cost you're paying monthly has been refreshed to the full price of the new device.
It's not really a good deal since you're essentially paying $300 + your old phone for a new one, plus it guarantees Verizon more income since each edge ensures you're paying full price.
You can get the same deal by waiting 6 months, selling your phone, buying a new one off contract. In many cases this may actually be cheaper. The GS3 is on the verge of going below $300 on eBay (in fact I think it already has). But of course that's an added hassle some don't want to deal with.
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Ah, OK. That makes sense. I'm gunning for the Note 3 when it arrives. Then I guess I can put the Note 3 on their device payment plan like I did my Note 10.1 (instead of Edge). The advantage being I get something from my old phone. Cool.

If you have a minute read post 1 and post 3 that I wrote on the ac forums. The edge program is beyond a ripoff. It's designed to rob you blind and get you trapped even without a contract and with no device subsidy (because let's be honest if you could whip out a wad of cash any time you wanted you probably wouldn't be on this kind of plan anyways). http://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?t=297933
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basically as the title says... I dropped my phone and shattered the screen at the top and bottom corners... it's still operable at the moment but it'll get worse over time. I have an upgrade available on my account that I can use or I could enter the Verizon edge program... I really don't know what i should do. it's obvious the edge program is only useful if I upgrade every ~12 months and I have a tendency to switch phones quite often but with a newborn son I may lose interest in upgrading/getting new phones so much... I'm mostly looking at the HTC M8 only because ive had the galaxy for a while and im ready for something other than touchwiz. use upgrade, pay 250 and sign another 2 year contract or enter Verizon edge program and pay nothing now and be able to upgrade again in a year... opinions?

Edge is regarded by most as a waste of money. you're always going to pay at least half of full retail, which is always more than the 2 yr contract price.
but more importantly, think about this: Maybe Edge is exactly what you want. Maybe you'll do it for the next 5 years and go thru 5 awesome phones. and then maybe then you'll want to save money and switch to another carrier. Hey, you're not on contract. go ahead. but if you get a high end device that's $700 full, and it's been 1 year, you've paid $350 so far, and you're still gonna owe $350 to cut loose, where as if you went the 2 year contract, you maybe for the phone paid $99 (instead of $350 over 12 months), and the ETF with Verizon will only be $230 so basically, you save, after the ETF, around $370. So Edge is great... for people who plan to keep doing edge/jump/whatever every year until they die, never changing carriers. Oh, and if a carrier (Tmobile) offers to buy out your contract and pay your ETF, guess what? an installment plan is not a termination fee. you're on your own, buddy. I'm not trying to sound overly dramatic, but that's the math, man.
finally, Edge is NOT "pay nothing up front". you pay tax on the full price, and you pay the first month's payment up front as well. since you're always billed one month in advance with Verizon, if you didn't pay the first month in store, you next bill would be 2 months worth of payments. Carriers take the first month up front to prevent bill-shock
so that's my feelings towards edge (I used to work in the Cell industry. quit late last year.). As for the M8, this phone rules. why? there's 1000 reviews already out there, so I'm not gonna bother with the why.

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TidusWulf said:
Edge is regarded by most as a waste of money. you're always going to pay at least half of full retail, which is always more than the 2 yr contract price.
but more importantly, think about this: Maybe Edge is exactly what you want. Maybe you'll do it for the next 5 years and go thru 5 awesome phones. and then maybe then you'll want to save money and switch to another carrier. Hey, you're not on contract. go ahead. but if you get a high end device that's $700 full, and it's been 1 year, you've paid $350 so far, and you're still gonna owe $350 to cut loose, where as if you went the 2 year contract, you maybe for the phone paid $99 (instead of $350 over 12 months), and the ETF with Verizon will only be $230 so basically, you save, after the ETF, around $370. So Edge is great... for people who plan to keep doing edge/jump/whatever every year until they die, never changing carriers. Oh, and if a carrier (Tmobile) offers to buy out your contract and pay your ETF, guess what? an installment plan is not a termination fee. you're on your own, buddy. I'm not trying to sound overly dramatic, but that's the math, man.
finally, Edge is NOT "pay nothing up front". you pay tax on the full price, and you pay the first month's payment up front as well. since you're always billed one month in advance with Verizon, if you didn't pay the first month in store, you next bill would be 2 months worth of payments. Carriers take the first month up front to prevent bill-shock
so that's my feelings towards edge (I used to work in the Cell industry. quit late last year.). As for the M8, this phone rules. why? there's 1000 reviews already out there, so I'm not gonna bother with the why.
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soooooo..... get the m8 but use my available upgrade? lol...

I couldn't be happier with my m8.. I had the s4 previously the only down side is cropping photos with this camera it can be pixely. If you do get the m8 I recommend that you really look at where the speaker grill on top and bottom meet the screen. make sure it's flush this may be just me being picky but I have seen a few that were slightly raised above the screen and it kind of sticks out. Play some music and make sure the sound isn't distorted at a higher volume. I had a couple friends that noticed some static but had to make the trip back for an exchange. There are a number of threads about build quality you can read. sorry to hear your screen shattered on your s4.

Don't know where you get $250 from (unless you're not up for a new device), the M8 is $99 with 2 year contract.

TidusWulf said:
Edge is regarded by most as a waste of money. you're always going to pay at least half of full retail, which is always more than the 2 yr contract price.
but more importantly, think about this: Maybe Edge is exactly what you want. Maybe you'll do it for the next 5 years and go thru 5 awesome phones. and then maybe then you'll want to save money and switch to another carrier. Hey, you're not on contract. go ahead. but if you get a high end device that's $700 full, and it's been 1 year, you've paid $350 so far, and you're still gonna owe $350 to cut loose, where as if you went the 2 year contract, you maybe for the phone paid $99 (instead of $350 over 12 months), and the ETF with Verizon will only be $230 so basically, you save, after the ETF, around $370. So Edge is great... for people who plan to keep doing edge/jump/whatever every year until they die, never changing carriers. Oh, and if a carrier (Tmobile) offers to buy out your contract and pay your ETF, guess what? an installment plan is not a termination fee. you're on your own, buddy. I'm not trying to sound overly dramatic, but that's the math, man.
finally, Edge is NOT "pay nothing up front". you pay tax on the full price, and you pay the first month's payment up front as well. since you're always billed one month in advance with Verizon, if you didn't pay the first month in store, you next bill would be 2 months worth of payments. Carriers take the first month up front to prevent bill-shock
so that's my feelings towards edge (I used to work in the Cell industry. quit late last year.). As for the M8, this phone rules. why? there's 1000 reviews already out there, so I'm not gonna bother with the why.
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I don't know where you get that he is going to pay $350 for the phone on edge the first year.
I just got on the early edge upgrade and they offer a $10/month discount off of the $25/month price.(That is for the 3 gig plan. Discount is steeper on higher data plans) So I am paying $15/month for my M8. I will have paid $180 for the first year. And then I can get a new phone.
BB has them for $199 on 2 year contract.
I know some think I am wasting my money with edge, but I will be able to get a new phone in a year.
Tell me how you can do that cheaper by buying?

85gallon said:
I don't know where you get that he is going to pay $350 for the phone on edge the first year.
I just got on the early edge upgrade and they offer a $10/month discount off of the $25/month price.(That is for the 3 gig plan. Discount is steeper on higher data plans) So I am paying $15/month for my M8. I will have paid $180 for the first year. And then I can get a new phone.
BB has them for $199 on 2 year contract.
I know some think I am wasting my money with edge, but I will be able to get a new phone in a year.
Tell me how you can do that cheaper by buying?
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I'm not disagreeing with you, as EDGE is fine for people who upgrade a lot, and really isn't really that much of a waste of money as some make it seem, but I wouldn't say you are paying $15/mo for the M8. It's more like you're paying $25/mo for it, but you get $10 off per month from the bill itself.
Just taking in to account that they discount your bill by ~$10 (depending on data, again) even on More Everything plans, they're just trying to compensate for the fact that you are not in a contract, and thus, no subsidy.
I'm sure some reps are just saying, "and you get $10 off the monthly payment for being on EDGE" to entice people to sign up. If you were really paying $15/mo, it would take longer for you to pay off the phone... of course, I could be completely wrong, as I don't see the bill in front of me to see the break down, but that's just what I assume the breakdown is.
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I feel like with EDGE it's almost a wash when comparing it with a 2-Year contract, though you can come out slightly ahead with a contract. If you upgrade a lot, and assuming a single line, then you can get a "cheap" phone for the first year, the sell it for ~ $250-300 (or more, depending on device of course), then the next flagship you pick up second hand from someone (saving tax at least). If you keep reselling in $300 range, it's almost the same thing as EDGE (paying off half to "edge up"). With EDGE, however, you save yourself the hassle of re-selling/shipping/etc.

brandogg said:
Don't know where you get $250 from (unless you're not up for a new device), the M8 is $99 with 2 year contract.
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Just saw this on the Verizon site. The store I went to last night while working had a 250 price tag.
I'm still not sure what to do lol... I feel like if I really like a phone and I'm not ready to get rid of it after 12 months and keep it then I'm throwing money away...
The Verizon variant is completely unlockable right? Is there any ota upgrade I should avoid out of the box if I decide to get it?
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I wasn't aware of the $10 EDGE plan discount. I left before that started, I guess.
As for where to buy the phone, Amazon or Costco are generally the best prices, but sometimes bestbuy has a good sale going on. ($100 blue M7 the day it was released), I would never buy a phone from Verizon's corporate store or website.
The Verizon phone is unlocked by default. there is nothing the user needs to do. it's Verizon policy (yay!). As for the OTA upgrade, I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter, from what I've read, but I would just root the phone and flash the rooted update, anyway, to be safe.

TidusWulf said:
I wasn't aware of the $10 EDGE plan discount. I left before that started, I guess.
As for where to buy the phone, Amazon or Costco are generally the best prices, but sometimes bestbuy has a good sale going on. ($100 blue M7 the day it was released), I would never buy a phone from Verizon's corporate store or website.
The Verizon phone is unlocked by default. there is nothing the user needs to do. it's Verizon policy (yay!). As for the OTA upgrade, I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter, from what I've read, but I would just root the phone and flash the rooted update, anyway, to be safe.
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Since when does Verizon release a phone unlocked from factory?! That's shocking. ??
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Powell730 said:
Just saw this on the Verizon site. The store I went to last night while working had a 250 price tag.
I'm still not sure what to do lol... I feel like if I really like a phone and I'm not ready to get rid of it after 12 months and keep it then I'm throwing money away...
The Verizon variant is completely unlockable right? Is there any ota upgrade I should avoid out of the box if I decide to get it?
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I think the M8 should be good for a long time, as most devices are, we just tend to want to upgrade/switch devices when the new one comes out =\
If you don't want to use up the upgrade, have you tried looking on Swappa for a used device?
** Factory unlock meaning for the SIM, you will still need to root and S-OFF on your own. Just to clarify haha

Powell730 said:
Since when does Verizon release a phone unlocked from factory?! That's shocking. ??
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All Verizon LTE phones are factory unlocked when you buy them. Been this way for a couple of years.

about 2 years, now. I think Verizon had to hit a certain population coverage percentage for LTE and it became mandatory by some FCC rule when they purchased the spectrum. sad that other carriers aren't also tied to this.

raichur0xx0rz said:
I think the M8 should be good for a long time, as most devices are, we just tend to want to upgrade/switch devices when the new one comes out =\
If you don't want to use up the upgrade, have you tried looking on Swappa for a used device?
** Factory unlock meaning for the SIM, you will still need to root and S-OFF on your own. Just to clarify haha
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Ohh. Yeah I was referring to the bootloader not sim lol. I actually looked at swappA last night. Good deals but I'd rather use the upgrade as opposed to that site. I really just need to decide if I want to keep the phone for two years or buy it with the intent to upgrade again in ~1 year.
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i believe amazon has it for 99 with 2 year, and OTA is safe, i temprooted -> soff'd; took OTA then xposed/customized.
as for swappa, site is completely legit, have bought and sold on there. just read descriptions/pics and know what you are getting.

Bestbuy Preorders for Verizon

Hey so I was thinking about preordering from bestbuy but i noticed on their website, they have the unlocked s6 for 750, while verizon has it for 600. What prices have people around here been getting the verizon one for from bestbuy?

NoFanboy said:
Hey so I was thinking about preordering from bestbuy but i noticed on their website, they have the unlocked s6 for 750, while verizon has it for 600. What prices have people around here been getting the verizon one for from bestbuy?
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They usually can price match Verizon corporate price.

Best Buy on Elston in Chicago was selling pre-orders with included charging dock, but unfortunately, had no 128GB SKUS whatsoever. By the way, does anyone know where we can pre-order off-contract S6 Edge's?

eyc said:
Best Buy on Elston in Chicago was selling pre-orders with included charging dock, but unfortunately, had no 128GB SKUS whatsoever. By the way, does anyone know where we can pre-order off-contract S6 Edge's?
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You should be able to pre-order off-contract S6's and S6 Edge's anywhere (carrier stores, carrier website, best buy website, best buy stores)

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You should be able to pre-order off-contract S6's and S6 Edge's anywhere (carrier stores, carrier website, best buy website, best buy stores)
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People are saying that the off-contract prices at Best Buy are $150 more than at VZW, but that certainly wasn't the case for me. See http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/31391i/free_wireless_charger_at_best_buy_for_pre_order/

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People are saying that the off-contract prices at Best Buy are $150 more than at VZW, but that certainly wasn't the case for me. See http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/31391i/free_wireless_charger_at_best_buy_for_pre_order/
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Yes Best Buy's prices are $150 more than Verizon, however I've heard they're price matching. Seems silly to me, plus you're more likely to get it in your hand sooner if you pre order from verizon

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Yes Best Buy's prices are $150 more than Verizon, however I've heard they're price matching. Seems silly to me, plus you're more likely to get it in your hand sooner if you pre order from verizon
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Right. But, if they are price matching (which they were at my location), then I'd rather go with Best Buy and get the free wireless charger, which is $60.

So i did my research and talked to a few bb employee friends and they do not price match off contract pricing. Anyone that says they will is probably just saying that, and they'll most likely give you a hard time when you go on the 10th to pay full price. Of course, you can be an exception though.
Anyways, submit my preorder with vzw and ordered a 20$ wireless charger from amazon.

I questioned a Best Buy employee yesterday to verify my full retail price and questioned the price being $150 more. He assured me they would price match the Verizon "Edge" price which in my case was $699 for the 64GB. He offered to give me a written price quote to avoid any confusion on release day and I took him up on it.
Now obviously there is no guarantee that any of that will prevent them from trying to over charge me when it's released but I feel okay about it.
I also questioned him about the Verizon release date and if they'd have it ON that date. He told me they were planning on an April 10th release date unless they get a "push back" date from a Verizon. He said if that's the case it'll be the same for everyone including Verizon. He said the only thing that would prevent someone from getting a pre-order ON that release date would be a lack of supply. He said this was an issue with the Note 4 but he wasn't sure if it was something they'd have an issue with for the S6.
Again none of this really means anything and it's no guarantee but hopefully it'll provide some comfort for those of us who have already preordered from Best Buy.

Hi Verizon users, does the S6 work for T-Mobile's LTE frequencies? I really want to ditch my Note 4, but I honestly cannot tell because I feel like the bands are lower, but I hear the S6 is unlocked though Verizon. Is this true?

Just letting everyone know that if your getting the 2051 error code that they "VZW/bb" know about lol but don't about"know anything " about. At the last step your billing pass is not you acct login pass. It's the last 4 of you ss. Even though you put your ssss above.

Also beware, do not pay off your edge plan over the phone in order to edge up. You will be in limbo for a month. I was in best buy last Wednesday night to pre order and what I wanted to do was keep my Droid Turbo so I was paying it off completely. At the advice of the person at best buy he told me to call 611 and do the transaction, so I did. The Customer service rep took my payment knowing what I was trying to do and he told me I was good to start a new edge plan. Well no the only way you can pay off your edge plan is to go to a Corp store but no one told me this and now I can't get any phone unless I buy it out right for 30 days.

They could price match verizon corporate price.

This morning I got an email saying my order was delayed until May 7th, then 4 hours later got an email saying my order had shipped. Glad I didn't cancel.

they shippped the wireless charger not the phone......atleast for me.

Carl Kast said:
They could price match verizon corporate price.
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I went in to pay full price and they told me they could not match Verizon's price. I was told that it was less than their cost. I call B.S. on that but either way, I had then refund my gift card and went and bought it at Verizon.
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Said it shipped phone just now, 6 hours after the charger shipped. Looks like Monday or Tuesday for delivery.

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they shippped the wireless charger not the phone......atleast for me.
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I finally got around to logging into Best Buy, it looks like I'm only getting the wireless charger on Monday too. Unlike your later post, my phone still hasn't shipped.

Anyone know when BB will get the gold in? I picked up on 4/10, but 32 white. Really want the gold. Hoping it comes in within the next two weeks.

Bestbuy Sucks
I pre-ordered from bUstbuy. I got an email stating i can pick up my pre-order on 4/10/15. I went by the store to pick up my phone and they said. Verizon is not selling that phone until 4/17.
i argued with the guy for a few minutes and asked why i got the email from their company saying my order was ready for pickup.
He started getting kinda irate about me questioning him. he about yelled at me that Verizon stores are not selling the phone until 4/17......
So i left bUstbuy and went across the street to verizon and picked up my new 64gb white S6.
F- Bustbuy... they'll never get my business again.

Trying to get off my S7 Edge

Former Note 7 owner here. Actually I never sent it back, just went to Best Buy to pick up an S7. No longer making monthly payment on the Note, but I am on the S7. I never wanted the S7 and I would like to upgrade to the S8+. From what I understand, you cannot trade in a phone unless it's paid off. Are there any other options for me?
Is there a market for Note 7's somewhere out there? I'd like to sell it to help offset the cost of this S7? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

literally 0 value for note 7. Any reputable marketplace will block/take the listing down for note 7s.. also soon Samsung will make render the phone useless.

illegal to sell the note 7. So you wont get any money from it.
I dont know what carrier your on but tmobile has Jump (they pay off your old phone and you start payments all over on the new one)
And they also offer a trade in. They give your X amount of money for the new phone. If you own more on the old one then the trade in value your be left paying the rest in month payment.s
So check with who you have phone service with.

im on vzw. going to stop by Best Buy this afternoon to see if there's something they can do for me.

Preorder the new Pixel-2/Pixel-XL-2 I totally did!

So I never wanted to be like those -bleeping- iPhone users always buying the latest BS about the new phone they are coming our with, but with the Google store offering me $350 for my current pixel in near perfect condition, how could I say no to an XL2. LMFAO looks like they got me ?? let's hope it's just as good if not better, anyone else trading in?

I'm thinking the same thing, the trade in for my Pixel makes it worth it to pick up the pixel 2. Before the trade in was announced I was planning to skip the 2

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So I never wanted to be like those -bleeping- iPhone users always buying the latest BS about the new phone they are coming our with, but with the Google store offering me $350 for my current pixel in near perfect condition, how could I say no to an XL2. LMFAO looks like they got me let's hope it's just as good if not better, anyone else trading in?
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Same here. I had no intention of preordering the XL2 but that trade in and 0% financing hooked me. I always wanted the XL but it was out of stock for the longest time.
EDIT: Canceled the order because of the curved screen on the XL 2 and am going for a regular XL instead.

0% financing is only if you're a new customer....Read the fine print. :/

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0% financing is only if you're a new customer....Read the fine print. :/
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I am

I decided to jump in and trade my Verizon model pixel (still bitter about the locked bootloader) for a pixel 2 XL. I wouldn't have made the jump either without that trade in credit.

I ended up pre-ordering a Google version Pixel 2, coming from a Verizon Pixel. I was paying monthly for my original pixel, so I owe about $300 left on it. Figure I'll take the $350 to pay that off and get a free Google home mini (already have a regular home in the living room).

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0% financing is only if you're a new customer....Read the fine print. :/
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No 0apr is for everyone I called them and that's what they told me

I pulled the trigger and used my early upgrade on Verizon, send in my Pixel and getting the just black XL2 128gb. I won't get the 300$ credit but it pays of my pixel and still get mini home. Now before I get chastised for taking the vwz version understand that it really our only option for cell carriers where we live and we use the beyond unlimited plan for our internet( again best option in our area). I may be screwed when it comes to unlocking and so on but with rootless substratum and Nova launcher I think I'll be just fine.

Verizon no longer subsidizes devices, which eliminates the only reason why I ever bought devices from them. Unlocked Pixel 2 XL, here I come! I didn't have anything to trade in so I paid full retail, but hopefully they'll give me a nice fat trade in deal when future pixels come out (and hopefully they'll be good enough phones that I still want to buy them).

Ditto on 2XL. The trade in was a yuge plus. I've been envying the close to bezel-less display on the new phones. Plus the new dx0 rating was a big incentive. I love the pics on my pixel so when I saw it rated even better, had to get this next iteration.

It is damn good to trade in for you guys. but for those who live abroad US, very difficult to get a pixel phone.

eBay?

ne0ns4l4m4nder said:
No 0apr is for everyone I called them and that's what they told me
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0% APR for everyone on "phone" purchase. All other, such as accessories, purchases are 29.99%.

TheSt33v said:
Verizon no longer subsidizes devices, which eliminates the only reason why I ever bought devices from them. Unlocked Pixel 2 XL, here I come! I didn't have anything to trade in so I paid full retail, but hopefully they'll give me a nice fat trade in deal when future pixels come out (and hopefully they'll be good enough phones that I still want to buy them).
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Depends. I got about 50% off on my Pixel through Verizon when they had a promo going on. And the promos happen pretty frequently. So you can get better deals through the carrier (provided you stay for 2 years, as the discount is done in monthly installments over 2 years).
Otherwise, I'll wait for Pixel 3, my current phone Pixel is still perfect, zero issues (and hopefully they bring the headphone jack back, but probably not, so this may well be my first and last Google phone).

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Depends. I got about 50% off on my Pixel through Verizon when they had a promo going on. And the promos happen pretty frequently. So you can get better deals through the carrier (provided you stay for 2 years, as the discount is done in monthly installments over 2 years).
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While Verizon has primarily moved their offers to bill credits, there are still occasional Verizon deals with reduced phone prices from retailers like Best Buy. The better offers are typically discussed endlessly at Slickdeals. Based on last year's deals, I'd expect there to be offers on the Verizon Pixel 2 at times from Black Friday through the end of the year, especially for anyone that's okay with bill credits.

Take a breath! Wait for Black Friday deals from Verizon. They will have the device for more than half off. Day after, Saturday, you will get the same deal but need to trade something in. Friday .. well just let me say I paid $240 for my Pixel no trade in. But you need to wait until the Thursday before when they announce it. If they don't, and they might not this year, you're only out a month or so.

I mean that's if you want the o so expensive plan Verizon offers with a locked bootloader and bloat, I'd rather spend the extra money and get a phone worth buying than one filled with crapware

ne0ns4l4m4nder said:
I mean that's if you want the o so expensive plan Verizon offers with a locked bootloader and bloat, I'd rather spend the extra money and get a phone worth buying than one filled with crapware
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The Verizon bootloader will likely be locked again, and that's about it. On the first generation phone the few Verizon apps can be removed in the Play store, and non-Verizon customers can move to the appropriate firmware for their service. Most Verizon offers are bill payments that require users to stay on their service to receive the savings, but in 2017 there have still been some offers from retailers without bill payments, so that it isn't necessary to stay with Verizon. Most likely I'll just wait to see the Pixel 3, but if a deal on a Pixel 2 comes close to the best offer the first-generation phone had in 2016, I might consider going without root.
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