Gday everyone.
I just got this phone and since it was first powered on I've had issues. I will likely be going back to the carrier tomorrow and asking for a replacement, but wanted to put my experience down here. Ive looked at a lot of other threads, but all of them involve unlocking of bootloader, flashing etc - I havent done ANY of this (yet). Its fresh out of the box.
Location: Australia
Carrier: Optus
Model: MHA-L09 (cant access extended model number)
So first up, had issues connecting to the carriers in-store wifi, which uses a captive portal.
When I finally got it going I was presented with a Chinese site - id accept this usually considering it is Huawei.
This phone is a replacement for my dead Note4 and as such I wanted to restore apps, as I had no internet, I skipped the process.
Got back to my office and connected to my wifi fine, so decided to factory reset to get a fresh start.
Noticed that after reset the initial process was in a different order. Restored from Google and all apps downloaded, happy days for a couple of hours, just waiting for my service to port over.
2 hours later, I decide to restart the phone, it gets hung up on the Optus logo which is displayed before the reboot starts.
Hard reboot.
System loads, I figure I may as well see about a firmware update. Get 'Package installer isn't responding' errors. Try again, works, no updates available.
Go to google photos, get 'Package installer isn't responding' error.
At this point I think, f**k - what is going on here.
So I reboot into recovery to wipe the cache. This processes fine, but then the option to reboot the phone doesn't work.
Hard reboot.
Boots into recovery without me touching it.
Hard reboot. - happens again.
So then I think, fine ok, I've upset the balance, lets do a factory reset.
Factory reset hangs on 99% for over 30 minutes.
Against better judgement - hard reboot.
Now I have the EMUI logo with a nice round 0% under it... and that's where its staying.
Thoughts?
I have to fly interstate on the weekend and cant really afford unreliable comms. Should I ditch the Huawei?
Thanks all.
So - it seems that nowhere did i find a mention of the fact that if i plug it into my PC and goto the recovery mode, it loads eRecovery. Whilst this didnt actually work (I believe it only works for CN firmware) It did give me a shutdown option. I shut it down and started it again and im back into a fresh install.
Lets see how I go now...
Never restore backups from other phone.
Wow, helpful.
I didn't restore the backup from another phone, just apps, ie google downloaded the apps I selected.
The device is still performing poorly, even a standard reboot does not succeed, instead it hangs on the carrier logo before actually rebooting.
Ill take it back to the store tomorrow and ask for another one, im hoping Ive just gotten a dud.
Related
My Thunderbolt is locked somehow, and I have no way to restore it to factory defaults. What I mean by "locked" is as follows:
I remove two apps from the device, change the wallpaper and delete a contact. Then, I restart the device - when it boots back all of the changes I made are gone. It's like in read-only mode, the changes look like they take affect but after a reboot everything is restored to it's current FC'ing on everything state.
I've tried factory resetting the device but instead of booting to recovery it just boots to the picture of a phone with the red caution symbol showing, it does not do anything else.
I've tried flashing over a stock RUU image but the flash either 1) looks like it works then boots back to the state it was before, 2) hangs on part of a flash and reboots to the normal state.
The device is not rooted, I've tried revolutionary and get the following error:
"rawadb_handle_msg" and then it loses connection.
Any ideas would be appreciated, I've never seen anything like this.
Turn it on and let it boot up if it can then pull the battery while its on and leave power off for 5 minutes then try again.
Also can try, with power off, hold power button and volume down button together for a few seconds and when it gets to the white screen wait for about 10 seconds then select reboot from there
Latest OTA patched the Revolutionary exploit (so it won't work). You may want to root using ADB and flash the rooted RUU. Can't say I've ever seen R/O behavior; but then again, I've been rooted for months - currently on AOSP (ShiftAo5p 2.8) and waiting for an ICS with data
I know, not too helpful, but there are still ways to root.
Any feedback from VZW or a "real" corporate store? They're actually quite helpful here with tech junkies.
OK, one more suggestion - early on, I couldn't do anything either (Market, etc) and the fix was to pave (format) my SD card. I know it sounds weird, but I was going to exchange my phone (ordered, then sent back replacement). I figured, what the heck. Took the uSD card out, put it into my PC's USB port and formatted it FAT32, popped it back in and VOILA - happy happy joy joy.
Granted I copied all the data off of it before paving - then copied back selectively (highly recommend AirDroid, by the way, no more cables). Might give this a shot.
Hey guys, thanks for the suggestions - unfortunately no luck on my end with that
nautical34 said:
Hey guys, thanks for the suggestions - unfortunately no luck on my end with that
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I inserted the card freshly formatted (I wasn't rooted at that point) - nothing on it, and I booted up, I was able to install Market apps (which I couldn't do before) - Note - AFTER I also did (multiple) a factory reset, I was good.
That didn't work for you? Maybe try again? Or just No-Go?
Also helps prove every 'Bolt has its own personality
Good luck on your CLNR ...
I have no idea what errant app or corrupted data may have been on the card, but totally paving and starting over "fixed it". Soon after, I rooted Then I had choices Granted I've had times I've had to do a factory reset (but not pave the SD) and set up all again - I've found the larger games (haven't determined which yet) cause my phone to get into reboot fits if I do actually reboot (which I need to do sometimes to get the radios to get data again); so, boring maybe, but very few games installed. That's OK, I prefer to learn or listening to music during idle time. Good luck.
The 4.0.4 OTA update was waiting for me when I woke up this morning. I started the install but when it went to reboot it hung up with a picture of the Android man on his back with a red error/warning triangle.
I haven't done anything with it, hoping someone might be able to help me out.
The phone is rooted but running 4.0.2 stock rom. the battery was a little low when i started the install, but i plugged it in before starting.
Thanks in advance for help,
jvoosh
the reason is that your phone is rooted ,so ... if you want OTA ,you had better unroot you rom or ruu
so can I hard reset the phone (pull the battery) without screwing anything up and then figure out how to unroot the phone?
thanks for your help,
j
Ditto
I'm in exactly the same boat, and hope someone answers this before I try a battery pull.
EDIT: I read around and found some people describing our situation, and mentioning that they did battery pulls to no avail. So I did, and nothing broke. However, the update didn't go through, and now I'm trying to figure out why this happened.
Same issue
I'm having the same issue. Phone got the IMM76k update, and after downloaded, was prompted to restart and install. So i did, gets through part of the install, and then goes to the android man on his back with a red exclamation mark. Have tried multiple times, all to no avail. Now, when I click check for update, it says system up to date, but still on 4.0.2.
Non-rooted, bootloader unlocked...anyone have any luck fixing this?
After downloading update, get Android man on back with red exclamation point
I'm having some difficulty getting the update to install, along the lines of some of the comments posted before mine:
I was able to force download the OTA update (IMM76K) according to the instructions on this original post. (It took a few tries, but eventually worked.)
I select the "Restart & Install" option (which is the only option available to me), and it restarts.
I get the relatively familiar Android man with his blue-green glowing polyhedron wireframe guts spinning, and a progress bar beneath him. After getting through what looks like about 20%, it slows down significantly, and I get the Android man on his back with a red exclamation point above him where the polyhedron used to be. I don't recall seeing any specific error message any of the three times that I tried this. (The first time, I did a battery pull; the second and third times, I just waited, and it eventually restarted on its own.) Needless to say, I'm still on 4.0.2.
I'm afraid I'm not very familiar with different version names and so forth (e.g,. I don't know what yakju is), but this was a phone that Verizon sent me in December 2011 here in the US.
Here's the information from my "About phone" page:
Model number: Galaxy Nexus
Android version: 4.0.2
Baseband version: I515.09 V.EK05 / I515.EK02
Kernel version: 3.0.8-gaaa2611 [email protected] #1
Build number: ICL53F
When I first got the phone, I immediately unlocked the bootloader and rooted it. I did NOT install a custom recovery, nor did I install any custom ROM.
It sounds like there might be some kind of validation error, but I do not recall doing anything that would make my OS non-stock, except perhaps side-loading Google Wallet, but since that doesn't even require root, I can't imagine that it would have any effect. My Superuser app shows only the following apps to have ever used root permissions: BusyBox Free, Secure Settings, Superuser, Terminal Emulator, and Titanium Backup. I've only used BusyBox and Secure Settings with Tasker to automate certain tasks, but nothing crazy! Mostly, I just need root for Titanium Backup. (I cannot recall exactly what I restored from my stock Gingerbread Droid X, but I was very careful to only restore apps and their corresponding app data--and I avoided restoring any Google-provided apps.) Even my tethering is done through an app not requiring root (SVTP).
Any advice (not requiring that I do a factory reset or flash a custom recovery or ROM) would be greatly appreciated! I'd also like to hear about people who have similar circumstances, but didn't have problems updating (so that I can rule out various factors).
Thank you in advance!
same exact issue here.
A "solution", albeit less than ideal
The OTA update eventually came to my phone naturally, and it still didn't work. (No surprise there.)
I called up Verizon tech support, and they had me do the Google Services Framework workaround to try to force the update again. Of course, it didn't work.
They said "We're going to need you to reset your device." (i.e., to factory default).
I told them that was wholly unacceptable, since I want to make sure that all my settings are preserved. (I'm kind of obsessive compulsive about things being set the way I like them, and Titanium Backup, as great a program as it is, has sometimes caused some trouble for me when restoring system settings, and especially since I'd be doing a restore after upgrading the OS, I was nervous about that option.)
Verizon got Samsung on the phone. They had no advice except "We're going to need you to reset your device." Both the Verizon rep and I told him that wasn't acceptable.
So Verizon's "solution" was to send me a new device, allow me five days to get everything transferred over, and then have me return the old device.
Up side: In case there was something wrong with my hardware or something else got messed up, I get a new device that I can get set up with the exact same settings as the old one.
Down side: The "new device" is refurbished, so there could potentially be some kind of baggage.
The "new device" came with 4.0.2. I booted it up without the SIM card, skipped all the logging in to Google, and immediately started going through the steps to unlock the bootloader and root the device. (I used the Galaxy Nexus Root Toolkit, which worked like a charm on a 64-bit Windows 7 machine I had lying around.) After unlocking and rooting, I logged into the device with my Google credentials and let it restore my settings and apps that I had downloaded from Google Play.
Then, it notified me that the 4.0.4 (IMM76K) update was available, so I installed that, and it worked without a problem.
Then, I installed the SIM card and got the new device activated through Verizon's website for activation.
Then, with both devices side by side, I went through every phone setting and made sure it's what I wanted, I made sure every app was installed (and if it was a non-Google Play app, I restored it through Titanium Backup), and I restored data for apps that don't store their data in the cloud (e.g., various games) through Titanium Backup. (I made a backup of my old device with Titanium Backup and transferred it over to the new device after getting the new one up and running.)
Everything seems to be working just fine, and the "new device" runs a bit faster and smoother than the old device, and that's with both devices rebooting and then going through the exact same "click paths", side by side.
So it's a bit of a hassle, but everyone who has a Galaxy Nexus should still be under warranty, so if you're polite with your Verizon tech support representative, they may be willing to help you out.
Verizon can sometimes be infuriating with their update release schedule and keeping their customers informed, but they sure do a good job accommodating their customers in other ways.
I realize this isn't really a "solution" to the Android man on his back problem, but this seemed to be the path of least resistance for me, and I'm pretty happy with the outcome so far. (It's been less than 24 hours since I got the "new device" set up!)
Other things I realized I should have tried (and still may, before I wipe my phone and send it back):
- uninstalling BusyBox (through the app itself, since it makes modifications to the system) and Secure Settings
- unrooting
Good luck!
My friend who has a nexus has his bootloader unlocked and CWM on it. He got the OTA today on his way into work and like you guys, he has a broken android when he boots up. We can get into CMW but we are unable to mount his internal SD storage onto our computer and he has no ROM zips on his phone. Any advice as to how to get his phone up and running?
Will wiping the system/data fix it? Is there a way to get a ROM like AOKP onto the device outside of CWM?
Edit: After several reboots it decided to just boot into the stock ROM. Really strange. Anyhow, flashed AOKP and all is well now.
Hi all, I come to you all in this time of great need. I have in my possession a LG Optimus Net or LGL45C as its know technically.
I started to suffer from problems from gapps resulting from uninstalling the Google Talk app(yes doing this in retrospect was incredibly stupid). After failing to resolve my problem when trying to re-install it, I decided to take the easy way and just do a factory reset and start from scratch. Little did I know what was to meet me. I was given the "Touch to the android to begin" screen like so many others, but it was not meant to be that simple. I would touch the android, and it would light gleefully but it would not reveal to me the next step and sit there motionless. So I proceeded to the next logical step, touching each corner in succession to skip the setup process. But no matter how many times I repeated it, nothing came of it. Next I booted into recovery mode(stock I never bothered to install CWM, another one of my mistakes) and did another factory reset, clear cache, etc. This too did not work. And I thought, there was always installing CWM through ADB where then I can then just flash to a stock ROM I downloaded. But Alas!! USB debugging some how got disabled and it was all fruitless. A little google-fu later I came across a method to flash .kdz using obscure LG utilities. With renewed hope I followed the steps but to no avail. Now I come to you stranger, and plead you in somehow help me in recovering some use of this phone. I have exhausted all my options and I hope someone out there read this and comes in my time of need. Sorry for the long block of text :silly::silly::silly::silly:
Having the same problem as you, bookface.
I couldn't install CWM from the links provided in another post, all lead to a 404 Dropbox page. This sucks. And when I tried to use the installer from Play, I got a dialog saying it's not compatible. Some would say to ignore it, it would be fine...
But if something doesn't feel right, don't do it, I've always been told...
So, I was rooted, but phone started acting funny. Done a factory reset. Since I didn't have CWM, I thought it would clear that mess up.
Nope, almost all apps crash. I'm lucky that at least the browser, Gmail, and music apps work, but everything else, including Google Play Store, all crash upon launch.
Net10's forum is a lame excuse as a "forum." Seems like TracFone employees have NO concept of how a forum works. I looked at there for the same issue, and they rather take software/hardware issues to private messages?
I have NO computer, my hubby's friend who helps him says "You have an Android tablet, that is a computer!" Technically, yes and no. Since I can't root that thing, it's useless. (If you want to know, Polaroid PMID709 4.1 with Rockchip RK29xx, and impossible to root fully, it's "semi-rooted".)
And I'm lost. I and my hubby need this phone to work. Because we need it fpr work (our jobs). And I'm getting sick of TracFone screwing up Android ROMs.
Please help!
youve made much more headway than i. trying to help my neighbor with his. he set a lockscreen password on his lgl34c and then promptly forgot it.
so upon a bit of research, this model is a doozie to work with. i had intended to overdeliver by flashing him a ROM that might allow some hotspotting and the like. upon closer inspection, i dont believe that i will be able to do that. at best a towelroot...
but ONLY IF i can get past this lockscreen. i've tried to factory reset by:
1) removing/replacing battery then holding vol down+power and waiting for LG splashscreen then releasing power (still holding vol down ) and then re-pressing(holding) power again
2) turning phone off and holding home+vol up+power and holding 30-40 sec
ive repeated both methods many many times, and these are the only methods that i have seen described in my google searching. in fact, yours is the most advanced post i have found yet.
how can i factory reset this phone without access to the settings menu?
Got my note back in November, rooted through odin in December. Everythings been grand and perfect.
Till I watched a video on youtube 2-3mnths ago about good rooted apps (wanted to get more daring other than xposed) loaded gsm gestures app? I think was the name. Kept it for a week, didnt use it. Uninstalled it, phone rebooted, instead of the normal "app uninstalled"
After that my phones been laggy, freezes, and freezes and turns off. Its factory wiped itself 8 times. I have countless posts on Reddit timelining everything. Long short is, tried liquid smooth to see if that would fix my problem, lost text messaging with that could only text for an hr a day, flashed stock sprint firmware and rerooted afterwards, have been slow to reload apps on phone, incase of factory reset or whatever. my phone is now taking 75+ batter pulls to get into a normal boot, every 15bat pulls it jumps into download mode "could not do normal boot ddi_mms read fail" and now an ssl text ive only seen once today, ill try and write that down if it happens again.
Finally when I get back into my phone, sometimes I have to update prl to get service again, the other day my phone lost signal and all my network settings were unselected, I had to select them all and my phone was fine, then I was on the phone and it cut me out in the middle of a call and said roaming lost or something, and I had to reapply cdma/lte on sprint.
Im beyond frustrated, im getting married in 2 weeks, and going out of country immediately after, so I need a working phone as most my business is conducted through it. I have no upgrade on sprint, and cant afford to throw out 400$ for a "new" note 4
Please please please someone help me.
Thanks for your time.
Matt
Hi,
Here's a thread on returning to stock firmware. That should give you a fresh start,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-sprint/general/stock-tar-odin-flashable-t3056478
If you want to find other options, you could ask for other ideas in your device section here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-sprint/help?nocache=1&z=7997657528612763
Good luck!
I'm on stock rooted ROM 20H sep 2018. Last time I checked (just now) this is still the latest verion.
However my H910 keeps bugging me about new update available from AT&T.
Does that happen to you guys?
It didn't give me any info about versions and so on.
Should I proceed?
I got it too. Came here to see if it was just me. I'm on H910 Oreo stock rooted.
Warning: DO NOT try to silence the nagging by blocking the notifications. AT&T/LG will treat "quit bothering me" like "go ahead, have your way", and simply go ahead and try to install the update without even bothering to ask you next time. If you're running RootedStock, you'll end up in a slow semi-bootloop where Android boots, you'll have about 3-5 minutes, then it will forcibly install the update, reboot, you'll end up in TWRP, and when you reboot to system (or power off, then power up later), the whole cycle will repeat.
I'm not sure how robustly my solution worked, but here's how I broke out of it. So far, about 15 minutes after rebooting, it seems to have worked. Since I'm writing this AFTER seemingly fixing the problem, I'm writing it from memory, and can't say with 100% certainty which step was actually the one that fixed the problem for me. I actually began the process of installing Titanium backup about a half-dozen FOTA-reboot cycles before tripping over another post here that advised deleting /cache/FOTA. Titanium Backup might, or might not, be an essential element of my apparent success. I honestly don't know. If you own it, use it... you have nothing to lose. If you don't already own it, try just deleting /cache/FOTA first from TWRP's file manager and see whether it works (temporarily or permanently).
Anyway... here's the approximate path to slaying the FOTA beast:
1. I installed Titanium Backup from Google Play. It actually took two reboot cycles to do this... you REALLY have to be ready to unlock the phone, launch Google Play, search for Titanium, and trigger its installation while standing a few feet from your wifi AP for it to finish the download and begin installing it before the next forced-update attempt begins. When it does, swear violently. It'll make you feel a tiny bit better.
1b. When FOTA forces the reboot into TWRP, try deleting /cache/FOTA before rebooting. It might work to temporarily slay the FOTA beast, it might not. If it does, it'll save you about 30 minutes of FOTA-reboot misery for the remaining steps. Feel free to repeat this after each of the following steps. It can't hurt.
2. On the next cycle, launch Google Play the moment your phone finishes booting, and go back to Titanium Backup. Hopefully, it'll be installing. With a little luck, installation will finish before FOTA begins. Then sigh, and let FOTA waste another 5 minutes of your time.
3. On the next cycle, launch Ti backup, give it permanent root permission, and give it permission to do everything it wants. Then, try to launch Google Play, search for Titanium, scroll down, select Ti Backup pro key, and try to initiate installation before FOTA kicks in yet again.
4. On the next cycle, launch Google Play, search for Titanium, scroll down, select the pro key, and begin installation if it isn't already downloading and/or installing. 99% likely you'll end up going through another round of FOTA misery.
4b. If FOTA is still forcing reboots up to this point, repeat step 1b before step 5.
5. On the next cycle, launch Titanium Backup, give it any additional permissions it wants, then select Backup/Restore, scroll down to "FOTA Update 8.0.0", and freeze it.
5b. If FOTA kicks in again, repeat step 1b.
If, despite deleting /cache/FOTA, then freezing FOTA Update 8.0.0 using Ti backup, then deleting /cache/FOTA again, it's still happening... well, then my solution didn't work for you (and possibly not for me. I'll start breathing again normally if my phone is still working normally tomorrow).
Anyway, hopefully this will help someone. I suspect a lot of people running RootedStock Oreo are going to get stung by this. I'd guess that more than a few v20 owners actually bought theirs long after AT&T's previous forced update, and have never actually HAD to deal with blocking forced updates with their current ROM.
It's entirely possible that purchasing Ti backup (I don't think the free version can freeze apps) will be essential for the H910 going forward if you want to keep using what was, prior to yesterday, the newest rooted-stock Oreo ROM without having AT&T's FOTA harass you every few hours (or wipe your phone and reflash once someone releases a newer build based on the current update). Trust me, you can't swat it away forever. I went through this forced-update nagging bull**** years ago with my Motorola Photon. Someday, when you least expect it, the dialog will come flying at you when you're driving and trying to select a song using Amazon Music, or in the middle of a phone call, or semi-distracted, or scrolling down a web page while the phone is bogged down because it's grinding its wheels in the background preparing to harass you about updating again, and you WILL accidentally click "ok" & have your life go down the toilet for the next few hours until you're able to dig yourself out of the mess.
Bite the bullet, and freeze FOTA Update 8.0.0 now, while you can still do it without burning an hour of your life waiting for reboot after reboot.
For those finding their way here, make sure to back up in the brief period of time before you get hamstrung if you can't freeze the process. I am/was bone stock H910 and after ATT forced the update on me, my phone now won't finish starting up and functionally boot-loops now until I pull the battery.
It will start, get to the home screen, I might get 5-15 seconds of actual usable time with the phone before it freezes, goes back to the bootscreen and will get warmer and warmer and give me less and less time until it freezes in the middle of the ATT logo. Tried pulling SD card and SIM card, just in case. The sim card removal bought me enough time to get the phone to tell me it was "finished updating" but upon attempting to power down and start re-inserting cards, the phone locked up and bootlooped.
No idea what this update is for but it seems to have killed my phone rather handily, beware.
FWIW, airplane mode does not stall the update either.
bitbang3r said:
Warning: DO NOT try to silence the nagging by blocking the notifications. AT&T/LG will treat "quit bothering me" like "go ahead, have your way", and simply go ahead and try to install the update without even bothering to ask you next time. If you're running Roote
Bite the bullet, and freeze FOTA Update 8.0.0 now, while you can still do it without burning an hour of your life waiting for reboot after reboot.
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Hope I'm not jinxing myself, but this appears to have worked for me.
I have gotten a "update could not be installed" popup, which I'm taking to be a good sign.
Still annoying, since I have auto-updates turned off.
Ugh, it popped up again. Confirmed, FOTA is still frozen.
It initiated the update for me on its own. Luckily I noticed and plugged it in or it would have died and maybe bricked the phone.
I don't notice a difference. Same Android version (8.0) same security patch (Sept 2018). The ATT version might have gone from H to I.
Yep, it started nagging me again, too. Goddamn it, this is really starting to piss me off.
Okay, on mine I think when I delete /cache/FOTA while in TWRP, it might not actually be deleting the folder.
I deleted the folder in recovery mode, then rebooted and went straight to X-plore file manager. The FOTA folder was either still there, or it just recreated itself on boot. I deleted it again in X-plore and it's now been working since my previous post.
Fingers crossed.
I just rooted a H910 yesterday, and this morning the same "slow boot loop" with the update started. I tried different things, and what so far seems to have worked was:
1. Entered TWRP recovery (from the last "update cycle." (Not like I had a choice.)
2. Wiped everything and re-installed Oreo, and all other zip and img files back to the way I originally set it all up.
3. After phone was booted up, I DID NOT have a SIM card in it, nor did I enable WiFi.
4. Temporarily skipped all the Google sign in stuff.
5. Enabled Developer options, and turned off "automatic system updates." (Not Google Play Updates!)
6. Re-booted phone and then confirmed that the above setting still showed "off."
7. Enabled WiFi and connected.
8. Set up Google account and other misc settings.
9. Restored a backup that I had made prior to the phone doing the update reboot loop, but was careful to uncheck settings. I did not use Titanium Backup. I used the built in one.
NOTE: This is not my daily driver phone. It is meant to be used as an emergency backup phone in the event that my regular phone (Samsung Galaxy S Series) falls in a canal or gets run over by a truck. (Or City Bus)
So far so good. I will use the phone for the day and check again the following morning to see if it starts the forced update. I will check back here in a few days and let everyone know what the end result was.
My theory is that if the phone does not have a chance via cell data or WiFi to get any FOTA updates prior to me turning off the "automatic system updates" that is in the Developer Options, it will never check in with AT&T's update server.
I am not sure about this, and if someone else knows, please correct the following:
I don't think AT&T "pushes" updates out. At least the type of updates we are talking about. I believe the software in the phone periodically polls an AT&T update server, and "pulls" any update at a schedule time, or time interval. My working theory is that turning off the automatic system updates will disable this automatic check, or polling routine. If it already has an update that it downloaded prior to turning off automatic system updates, its too late.
Thanks for everyone's input on this in advance.