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Honor 8 monochrome filter vs Huawei P9 monochrome mode

I'm considering both of these devices and I'm curious to know if there any differences in the black and white photography. The 8 has a monochrome sensor but does not shoot in monochrome unless using the filter. The P9 also has a monochrome sense but has a monochrome shooting mode. Is there a stark difference in shooting in monochrome vs shooting with the filter? Or even, adding a black and white filter after? I'm no photographer but I like black and white shots.

progjm said:
I'm considering both of these devices and I'm curious to know if there any differences in the black and white photography. The 8 has a monochrome sensor but does not shoot in monochrome unless using the filter. The P9 also has a monochrome sense but has a monochrome shooting mode. Is there a stark difference in shooting in monochrome vs shooting with the filter? Or even, adding a black and white filter after? I'm no photographer but I like black and white shots.
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After seeing the review, I see that the camera on both devices are 99? identical

I would be interested, if we can in any point use the monochrome mode on honor 8, by using libs. The camera app is the same on both.

dkionline said:
I would be interested, if we can in any point use the monochrome mode on honor 8, by using libs. The camera app is the same on both.
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It's kinda hard, but someone will get it right

dkionline said:
I would be interested, if we can in any point use the monochrome mode on honor 8, by using libs. The camera app is the same on both.
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I also hope that a dev will look to carry the libs on our Honor 8 !

If you are interested in the LEica kind of monochrome photography, I suggest go for the P9. The microcontrast and the picture quality on the monochrome sensor in the night cannot be replicated with a monochrome filter. But otherwise in all other respects the Camera is the same. I would even wager that the battery life is a bit better.

nirmalv said:
If you are interested in the LEica kind of monochrome photography, I suggest go for the P9. The microcontrast and the picture quality on the monochrome sensor in the night cannot be replicated with a monochrome filter. But otherwise in all other respects the Camera is the same. I would even wager that the battery life is a bit better.
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I believe some reviews said that they have the same camera, just no leica branding

PalakMi said:
I believe some reviews said that they have the same camera, just no leica branding
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You are absolutely right. The hardware is the same. Its just that they removed the monochrome mode and filters available in the P9 which directly accesses the monochrome sensor. The option available is to use the regular combined color picture and use a monochrome filter which just isn't the same.

nirmalv said:
You are absolutely right. The hardware is the same. Its just that they removed the monochrome mode and filters available in the P9 which directly accesses the monochrome sensor. The option available is to use the regular combined color picture and use a monochrome filter which just isn't the same.
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This means it can be fixed with an update.
Honor if you listen, please we want to use both cameras (one monochrome and one RGB)

I think a few 'trademark' features from Leica cameras are deliberately kept from the Honor 8, so as to keep Leica happy - which has extended its partnership arrangements (so look out for more in the Mate 9, P10 etc).
I am using my Honor 8 as my daily driver and not the P9, as the smart key, nicer look (subjectively speaking), virtually identical performance (often faster in my tests), more RAM, and more makes it the better all-rounder.
I do miss the smooth colours profile though.

I think the performance of both the Honor 8 and the P9's cameras are more or less the same. It's just that the Honor 8's cameras aren't Leica certified.

DarkGuyver said:
I think the performance of both the Honor 8 and the P9's cameras are more or less the same. It's just that the Honor 8's cameras aren't Leica certified.
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After going through all reviews, they are 100% identical, just no leica branding

Ok but can SOMEONE clearly explain these filters. Which give the best quality? There is "mono" "impact" and "ND". I am particularly interested of the difference between mono and ND? And as what ND stands for. On the Nokia 808pv ND is used to denote a neutral density filter. But these are used to compensate over exposure and thus allow less light on the sensor. I doubt that the nd setting in the honor 8 is the same.

PalakMi said:
This means it can be fixed with an update.
Honor if you listen, please we want to use both cameras (one monochrome and one RGB)
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Well, you are already using the both sensors, when you take a regular jpg picture. Honor 8's software will use the monochrome sensor to improve contrast and dynamic range in the image. Or if you use the "large aperture bokeh" mode. It's just that you have no access to the monochrome sensor image alone, which is useful only if you are interested in black&white photography (in which case you should buy P9). Sure, Honor could provide the same functionality in Honor 8, but they probably want to differentiate between P9 and Honor 8. Or it could be a licensing issue with Leica.

b1tt1 said:
Well, you are already using the both sensors, when you take a regular jpg picture. Honor 8's software will use the monochrome sensor to improve contrast and dynamic range in the image. Or if you use the "large aperture bokeh" mode. It's just that you have no access to the monochrome sensor image alone, which is useful only if you are interested in black&white photography (in which case you should buy P9). Sure, Honor could provide the same functionality in Honor 8, but they probably want to differentiate between P9 and Honor 8. Or it could be a licensing issue with Leica.
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Yeah I know, I meant giving us access to true monochrome mode (using the lens itself, and not a filter)

If you use Pro mode and lowers the saturation to -2, then the image quality of the black and whites is better than if you use the monochrome filter... It would've been interesting to see the difference between Honor 8's Pro-mode with low saturation and the P9'S monochrome mode.

Selfie quality

You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the Honor 9 performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

selfies are great, adequate details plus descent dynamic range

Superb selfie quality. Got it to test and the photosmare outstanding.

My front camera is mediocre and i don't know why? Is it due to the B130 update? Look what a selfie look like, help me please this is ly first time using a honor device and i don't know if this is the real quality or my device has a problem, here 2 selfies one in daylight and the other indoor

venom007 said:
selfies are great, adequate details plus descent dynamic range
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Please can you post a selfie indoor and one in daylight so i can compere with mine , i think my front camera is really awful

Oh no! My instagram followers are going to know I bought a mid range phone..... Wish it had a 50megapixel selfie camera!
Sorry for the abuse... Turn off the portrait mode. Its the icon top centre when you switch to selfie mode. It over processes everything.

I also have to say that Selfie cam is pretty decent as long as I deactivate portrait modus and Bokeh effect. Beauty effect is ugly and Bokeh does not work seamless with background. Maybe there are some tricks but I guess it is only SW and will probably get optimized in further updates.

venom007 said:
selfies are great, adequate details plus descent dynamic range
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Docxsido said:
My front camera is mediocre and i don't know why? Is it due to the B130 update? Look what a selfie look like, help me please this is ly first time using a honor device and i don't know if this is the real quality or my device has a problem, here 2 selfies one in daylight and the other indoor
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zakiwashi said:
Oh no! My instagram followers are going to know I bought a mid range phone..... Wish it had a 50megapixel selfie camera!
Sorry for the abuse... Turn off the portrait mode. Its the icon top centre when you switch to selfie mode. It over processes everything.
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i turned off the portrait mode and the bokeh effect and still looks like a 2MP selfie even in daylight , i think it's a software problem

I know I am a relic but my first phone had a 0.3megapixel camera so its all good to me.
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Also, mine is from china, with the chinese rom removed and European rom installed. I haven't had the B130 update pushed to me yet. Think I will steer clear of it. After years of android phones, I have only found incremental updates to break features that were working just fine beforehand and in general, cause serious issues whilst fixing trivial ones.

Docxsido said:
i turned off the portrait mode and the bokeh effect and still looks like a 2MP selfie even in daylight , i think it's a software problem
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I think you got a point here.
With indoor lighting the selfie quality is quite terrible. I rarely take selfie so that doesn't bother me much.
P10 has a 1.9 aperture front camera which should produce a bit better selfie. Honor 9 on the other hand has a 2.0 aperture lens which should explain why it struggled under low lighting conditions.

Excellent selfies quality....

hassanjavaid8181 said:
Excellent selfies quality....
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Can you post an indoor selfie please? I think my front camera has a problem

Docxsido said:
Can you post an indoor selfie please? I think my front camera has a problem
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what problem you having with your camera?

hassanjavaid8181 said:
what problem you having with your camera?
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Blunt pictures with few details even in daylight. I've tried everything and still the same results. Few people are reporting the same problem. So i want to compare it to other selfies to see. I don't know if it's software or hardware related

Honor 9
Just like the Huawei P10, the Honor 9 features a dual camera setup, which consists of a 20MP monochrome sensor and a 12MP RGB one, each of these behind its own 27mm-equiv. f/2.2 aperture lens. There is also a dual-tone LED flash.This is the same camera setup we saw on the Huawei P10 and Mate 9, minus the Leica branding. This means you won't be getting the proprietary Vivid and Smooth film modes. Manual monochrome mode is not available just like on previous Honors - it is reserved only for the P series, but this is a silver lining we are happy to live with.
While the 20MP and 12MP resolutions don't match, the engineers have come up with an ingenious solution of how to use them and the snappers work just fine in the hybrid modes.
When you're shooting color, the Honor 9 blends the footage from the monochrome camera with the one from the RGB camera with the goal being, you guessed it, to produce better images. The high-res 20MP monochrome camera records luminance data as reportedly, that's where most of the fine detail is, while the lower-res 12MP camera provides the color to go with the detail. That way you can opt for 20MP color photos, a big leap from the 12MP default resolution.
In addition to the Variable Aperture effects, the Honor 9 camera supports Portrait Mode, which combines the Variable Aperture bokeh affect with Beautification, and should offer some nice Portrait shots with bokeh effects. The selfie snapper has been upgraded with f/2.0 lens, and while there isn't a second sensor, Huawei has found a way to create bokeh here as well.
Finally, Huawei introduces Live Photos with this new iteration of the Huawei camera app - it's a short 3s video taken shortly before you've hit the shutter, and it plays when you tap and hold on the image - no 3D Touch required.
The camera interface takes a bit of getting used to, as we've previously noted. There are two panes with options that can be evoked from the left and the right edge of the viewfinder. The left one brings forward the mode selector, while the menu coming from the right edge is the settings menu. The two panes don't just slide out with a simple swipe; you need to practically pull them through half the screen for them to stick, which doesn't always happen on the first try, particularly in landscape.

@mobilepriceshop, please stop. You're just copy pasting.

Selfies is a great quality, and looked nice!
8MP (3264X2448) 4:3 Max Quality

The Honor 9 takes some really high quality selfies. Just as good as the Honor 10.

secondary camera

guys,dial *#*#1597#*#* and switch to the second camera...click the photo,check the resolution.. isn't it 2592x1940 (5mp) ... it's strange because the secondary camera is of 20mp and I am getting 5mp.

Mine is 3456x4608
Edit: sorry, I did not switch to the second camera, how do I do that?

rmaathuis said:
Mine is 3456x4608
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switch to lens BACK(2). double tap to switch the camera.

Ok, did that and indeed it's 2592x1940
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rmaathuis said:
Ok, did that and indeed it's 2592x1940
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okay... isn't the secondary camera of 20mp..why does it click photos in 5mp???oneplus ?

Yep the same. Pretty weird. But the image doesn't look like 5 MP though

Wow this is some major scoop! You're indeed right, also to support your findings, the OP6 brother, the OPPO R15, has the same primary 16MP IMX519 sensor and a 5MP secondary sensors only for depth informations.
This could be a camera-gate beginning for OP! It needs deeper investigation

zonzo3 said:
Wow this is some major scoop! You're indeed right, also to support your findings, the OP6 brother, the OPPO R15, has the same primary 16MP IMX519 sensor and a 5MP secondary sensors only for depth informations.
This could be a camera-gate beginning for OP! It needs deeper investigation
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that can't be a co-incidence. i am gonna post about this in oneplus forum. let everyone know about this.

For me the primary camera is at 15.9MP and the portrait camera is at 14.2MP.
Correction: The photos made with primary camera are at 15.9 and the portrait mode ones are at 14.2MP.

neohq said:
For me the primary camera is at 15.9MP and the portrait camera is at 14.2MP.
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you mean portrait photos??the resolution is 15.9 mp for portrait photos too.

The portrait photo is also made with the primary camera, helped by the secondary camera.
If I cover the secondary camera I see a message on screen and bokeh effect is gone.
@aneesh12 Yes, I meant the photos.

neohq said:
The portrait photo is also made with the primary camera, helped by the secondary camera.
If I cover the secondary camera I see a message on screen and bokeh effect is gone.
@aneesh12 Yes, I meant the photos.
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yeah... that's how all the process works. but you said the portrait photos are 14.2mp for you which is not the same for me...i am getting 15.9mp photos. i am sorry if i got you wrong again

Another thing, the pictures taken with the secondary camera capture so much more light when shooting in really (really) dark places. Try it and let me know.
I think maybe it's the same secondary sensor used in the OP5T, the Sony IMX 376k, which is a 20MP sensor that via software does a pixel interpolation to "create" bigger pixels and capture more light.
However it's a cheap move to use this sensor only for depth informations

zonzo3 said:
Another thing, the pictures taken with the secondary camera capture so much more light when shooting in really (really) dark places. Try it and let me know.
I think maybe it's the same secondary sensor used in the OP5T, the Sony IMX 376k, which is a 20MP sensor that via software does a pixel interpolation to "create" bigger pixels and capture more light.
However it's a cheap move to use this sensor only for depth informations
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I'll try the second camera on op5t nd will see the resolution.

guys, what's the use of second camera anyways??? I've covered the second lens,still the photos came out as same as when the lens wasn't covered.

@aneesh12
For the depth of field effect/bokeh, portrait photos.

neohq said:
@aneesh12
For the depth of field effect/bokeh, portrait photos.
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they could have gone for 5mp depth sensing camera then. why to waste 20mp for that. oneplus 5's camera was very well implemented. that optical zoom was actually useful and handy.

aneesh12 said:
guys, what's the use of second camera anyways??? I've covered the second lens,still the photos came out as same as when the lens wasn't covered.
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You have to double tap to change camera then you will see camera(2) instead of camera(0)

vitotteng said:
You have to double tap to change camera then you will see camera(2) instead of camera(0)
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that is exactly what i said in the 3rd post. you didn't get what i said.

Could it be due to a software config, like using pixel binning to increase sensitivity in the dark?

macro mode on mate 30 pro

i like to take close up shot alot. i think there is no dedicated super macro mode or switch to ai macro mode. some youtubers comfirmed that. is this a software thing or hardware limitation ?

ssregitoss said:
i like to take close up shot alot. i think there is no dedicated super macro mode or switch to ai macro mode. some youtubers comfirmed that. is this a software thing or hardware limitation ?
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the larger sensor means a larger lens and more complications for the wide angle lens, so it should be a hardware limitation due to the new sensor

I don't see any macro mode on my M30P, sadly it was present on my M20P
I hop an update will bring it back

youtuber123 said:
I don't see any macro mode on my M30P, sadly it was present on my M20P
I hop an update will bring it back
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Don't think so. The lens structure is different and it is design with video in mind hence u don't have the extreme zoom and micro mode of the p30 series and the previous mate series

Depth sensor FAKE?

https://forum.xda-developers.com/po...a-mod-gcam-t4113795/post83545523#post83545523
As I wrote in GCam thread, you can take pictures directly from depth sensor using gcam.
I get pictures of normal color from depth sensor.
But I don't think ToF sensor can take color pictures.
So is the depth sensor a fake doing nothing, or not a fake but getting depth info by stereo camera method?

sanoayyk said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/po...a-mod-gcam-t4113795/post83545523#post83545523
As I wrote in GCam thread, you can take pictures directly from depth sensor using gcam.
I get pictures of normal color from depth sensor.
But I don't think ToF sensor can take color pictures.
So is the depth sensor a fake doing nothing, or not a fake but getting depth info by stereo camera method?
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G-cam is custom 3rd party software not designed for Poco f2 pro...
The depth sensor is genuine and has a major role-play when taking portrait mode shot with stock camera...
I hope i make myself clear... Xiaomi would not take the hit of faking a sensor... reputation is more valuable the profit...
Thanks for understanding

Hunteres said:
G-cam is custom 3rd party software not designed for Poco f2 pro...
The depth sensor is genuine and has a major role-play when taking portrait mode shot with stock camera...
I hope i make myself clear... Xiaomi would not take the hit of faking a sensor... reputation is more valuable the profit...
Thanks for understanding
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Yes GCam is not a device specific app. But it provided an evidence that the depth sensor is just a normal RGB camera.
Depth map should be like the one I attached. Obviously diffrent from RGB camera's output.
(I picked up it from google)
At least, the depth sensor must not be ToF sensor.
Xiaomi themself doesn't call it "ToF", they just call it "Depth". Not wrong at this point.
It is GCam which is showing a wrong sensor type "ToF" I guess.
I hope it isn't a fake, hope it is working in portrait mode, but the depth measurement seems to be done by combination of two ordinary cameras. Then they calling it "depth sensor" is still somehow misleading. Because the sensor itself is not for depth, it is for RGB.
Whatsmore, if depth mapping could be done by two RGB cameras, why not F2Pro use ultrawide camera cropping like some phones combining telephoto and main camera cropping?
This is why do I still suspect it is a fake or surplus just for overblown camera numbers.