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KitKat?

When should we expect the release of KitKat for the Relay?

When TeamApexQ deems fit to release it.
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Nardholio said:
When TeamApexQ deems fit to release it.
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Nardholio, do you expect any major innovations, and most importantly, any major sources of bugs or instabilities with KitKat?
Thanks!!

Guiyoforward said:
Nardholio, do you expect any major innovations, and most importantly, any major sources of bugs or instabilities with KitKat?
Thanks!!
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That's a question we won't really be able to answer until there is more solid information on KitKat generally available.

Looks like CM is setting up the KitKat AOSP code for there builds Check out @CyanogenMod's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CyanogenMod/status/396000889011326976
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Cyanogenmod Google+ post " Android 4.4 Source
Source is now being pushed to the AOSP trees. Of course, when it is all there we will begin the process of figuring out what changed, needs work, and/or is no longer feasible or needed.*
We are not in a rush to get 4.4 builds out. We are going to continue the process of working on CM 10.2 M1 - getting that out the door and onto your devices. Further, we will 'finish' the 10.2 code base, similar to what we did with 10.1.*
As a friendly reminder, please don't flood us with requests for 4.4 - we all want new and shiny things, but we will not do so at the expense of abandoning the hard work our contributors have put into 10.2.*
Final note, a lot of folks are reading into the "512mb" item on the release notes. No, this does not mean a sudden resurrection of older hardware, there are dependencies beyond the RAM (and CM has enforced that minimum since ICS)."
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pst @Magamo this thread was best ended with a simple "when I say so" response and nothing more
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Nardholio said:
pst @Magamo this thread was best ended with a simple "when I say so" response and nothing more
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I actually was referring to an official KitKat OTA update from T-mobile.
How long did it take them to release a JB update after it was first introduced?
I have no interest in a CM ROM full of bugs and things that don't work.

andrewsfm said:
I actually was referring to an official KitKat OTA update from T-mobile.
How long did it take them to release a JB update after it was first introduced?
I have no interest in a CM ROM full of bugs and things that don't work.
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Given that we never got upgraded to 4.2 or 4.3 by T-mobile/Samsung, I kinda doubt we'll be getting an official 4.4. And our CM rom, which has been built for us by a couple of people working for free, currently has fewer bugs than the official ROMs.

Jax184 said:
Given that we never got upgraded to 4.2 or 4.3 by T-mobile/Samsung, I kinda doubt we'll be getting an official 4.4. And our CM rom, which has been built for us by a couple of people working for free, currently has fewer bugs than the official ROMs.
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4.2 and 4.3 were minor updates with no name change. JB was a major update and they did update to it.
4.4 KitKat being a major update, I've got my fingers crossed considering the wide range of devices that it's being planned for.
Was just hoping to see if there was any news on a KK update for this model.
CM is fun to play with and all, but it's not something I would trust on an everyday phone.

I use CM as a daily driver every day, and have been doing so since 10.2 became CyanogenMod official - everything just works. Now I'm not one of those people who demands a LOT of my phone, but I use it in the course of doing my job daily and it performs better, and more efficiently (with regards to battery consumption) than it did on the debloated stock rom, so much so that I deleted my Nandroid of that setup.
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onebornoflight said:
I use CM as a daily driver every day, and have been doing so since 10.2 became CyanogenMod official - everything just works. Now I'm not one of those people who demands a LOT of my phone, but I use it in the course of doing my job daily and it performs better, and more efficiently (with regards to battery consumption) than it did on the debloated stock rom, so much so that I deleted my Nandroid of that setup.
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I'm not sure if I fall into the category of demanding alot from my phone, but if there are issues like, Wifi and BT can't be on at the same time, that's not good enough. That's a serious issue. So if I forget to turn one of them off, stuff stops working? That's not okay...
I want my camera to work, for videos and photos. I want the phone to do everything the hardware is supposed to do.

andrewsfm said:
I'm not sure if I fall into the category of demanding alot from my phone, but if there are issues like, Wifi and BT can't be on at the same time, that's not good enough. That's a serious issue. So if I forget to turn one of them off, stuff stops working? That's not okay...
I want my camera to work, for videos and photos. I want the phone to do everything the hardware is supposed to do.
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Awesome! And you want that for free? You don't seem to appreciate a lot the effort that other people are putting into this...

The wifi/bluetooth issue isn't that bad. It only falls apart when WiFi is on and connected to a 2.4GHz access point, and bluetooth is on and connected to a bluetooth device. If you have an N wifi access point that operates at 5Ghz, you can just connect to that instead of the 2.4Ghz node and then the two play nice. It's what I do.

Jax184 said:
The wifi/bluetooth issue isn't that bad. It only falls apart when WiFi is on and connected to a 2.4GHz access point, and bluetooth is on and connected to a bluetooth device. If you have an N wifi access point that operates at 5Ghz, you can just connect to that instead of the 2.4Ghz node and then the two play nice. It's what I do.
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I would do this if I had a 5GHz AP, but what I'm saying is that I don't want to have to worry about stuff like that.
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Awesome! And you want that for free? You don't seem to appreciate a lot the effort that other people are putting into this...
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I don't want anything for free, except a stock KitKat update from T-Mobile/Samsung for the hardware I paid for... At no point did I say I was interested in CM. I've been explaining why I'm not, the whole time.
I started this thread to find out how long historically after the release of a new OS, does it usually take Samsung/T-Mobile to release an OTA?

andrewsfm said:
I would do this if I had a 5GHz AP, but what I'm saying is that I don't want to have to worry about stuff like that.
I don't want anything for free, except a stock KitKat update from T-Mobile/Samsung for the hardware I paid for... At no point did I say I was interested in CM. I've been explaining why I'm not, the whole time.
I started this thread to find out how long historically after the release of a new OS, does it usually take Samsung/T-Mobile to release an OTA?
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Normally only after the Samsung high-end phones get the update and they are just barely getting Android 4.3. It also depends if they decide to update this phone at all. I have been asking t-mobile and Samsung that and they keep blaming each other or referring me to the forum for the phone on there websites.
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chris122380 said:
Normally only after the Samsung high-end phones get the update and they are just barely getting Android 4.3. It also depends if they decide to update this phone at all. I have been asking t-mobile and Samsung that and they keep blaming each other or referring me to the forum for the phone on there websites.
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I guess Windows has spoiled me, because I don't understand how it's so hard to port Android to each device.
AMD or Intel, they both use the same instruction set, so they work on any x86/x64 processor, and then you install drivers for your hardware peripherals.
Shouldn't Android run on any ARM processor, and then just have drivers that need to be plugged into it for each component of the phone to work?
Apparently it's a lot more complicated than that, but why...

andrewsfm said:
I guess Windows has spoiled me, because I don't understand how it's so hard to port Android to each device.
AMD or Intel, they both use the same instruction set, so they work on any x86/x64 processor, and then you install drivers for your hardware peripherals.
Shouldn't Android run on any ARM processor, and then just have drivers that need to be plugged into it for each component of the phone to work?
Apparently it's a lot more complicated than that, but why...
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A lot of the complexity comes from the manufacturers of the SoCs not opening up the workings of their drivers to the wider world that makes porting to new devices, and to new versions of Android so difficult. Things work on one kernel, or one interface, and that's it, and we have no way of tweaking it to work in other ways. Back to the subject at hand. I personally suspect that the Relay will get no official update to KitKat. The Relay is over a year old, T-Mobile has been trying to dump it since 2013 began, and they are the only retailer. The 4.1.2 Jelly Bean updates were rolling out to the then mainline Samsung phones within a week of the Relay's release in September 2012, and we didn't get our update (which frankly is a broken PoS, ESPECIALLY when held up against any CM build for the Relay) until March or April of '13, so expect another 6 months before we MIGHT (and likely won't) get an official 4.3 update.

Looks like coding for CM 11 has started. Check out @CyanogenMod's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CyanogenMod/status/397817644650205185
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Magamo said:
A lot of the complexity comes from the manufacturers of the SoCs not opening up the workings of their drivers to the wider world that makes porting to new devices, and to new versions of Android so difficult. Things work on one kernel, or one interface, and that's it, and we have no way of tweaking it to work in other ways. Back to the subject at hand. I personally suspect that the Relay will get no official update to KitKat. The Relay is over a year old, T-Mobile has been trying to dump it since 2013 began, and they are the only retailer. The 4.1.2 Jelly Bean updates were rolling out to the then mainline Samsung phones within a week of the Relay's release in September 2012, and we didn't get our update (which frankly is a broken PoS, ESPECIALLY when held up against any CM build for the Relay) until March or April of '13, so expect another 6 months before we MIGHT (and likely won't) get an official 4.3 update.
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Ah k I see. The hardware vendors are mostly to blame it seems.
I may try a stable CM11 if that ever sees the light of day, but I won't hold my breath.
I've heard about the official JB ROM being problematic, so I plan to stay on ICS the phone originally shipped with.
I'm just glad to be getting rid of my Droid3 and Gingerbread.

andrewsfm said:
Ah k I see. The hardware vendors are mostly to blame it seems.
I may try a stable CM11 if that ever sees the light of day, but I won't hold my breath.
I've heard about the official JB ROM being problematic, so I plan to stay on ICS the phone originally shipped with.
I'm just glad to be getting rid of my Droid3 and Gingerbread.
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True, there have been some bugs. However, I use the official nightly of cm10.2 as a daily driver. I'd rather put up with the MINOR issues that are left (hardware is stable for the most part) than have a manufacturer ROM. IMHO, the stock ROM that comes with the phone is usually full of crap bloat ware that I don't use and takes up space, and a UI that is SEVERELY limited in customization.
Also, the more people participate and report problems, the faster it takes TeamApex to fix and push out. At least team apex RESPONDS to their users. As mentioned before, it can take as long as 6-8 months after an android release for the manufacturer to roll out an update...still full of crap ware that's NOT used and cannot be uninstalled without root privileges or botching up the UI further.
These people who work tirelessly to provide to us, the end user, an updated version of Android, do so out of their own free will, and don't get a penny. These devs are here to proudly share what they have created, and I applaud and give my utmost respect to them.
You don't wanna install aftermarket firmware? Don't want to aid in bug reporting? Fine, put up with the crap that the manufacturer pushes onto you. Plus, Samsung & T-Mobile don't get any more of your hard earn dollars rolling out an Android update for our year-old device. They'd rather you dump it and buy the latest phone. THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS MODEL! So they have no interest in rushing an update to something as "old" as the Relay.
If you want JB or KK and are unwilling to wait for & install after-market firmware, I suggest you pony up the dough and buy a nexus 5. Better still, learn how to dev and make your own version of JB or KK for the Relay. That's the beauty of open source.
Your rant and *****ing about when "they are going to develop Kit Kat" makes you come across as arrogant, snobbish, and child-like.
Sorry for MY ranting, but it's unappreciative asshats like andre that just piss me off.
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CM has pretty poor update waiting times.

So, yeah I'm a bit on the fence with this one. I have an N5 and I love the notion that it's pretty much the first device to receive updates. But, more often as of late, Google pushes updates via its services and even more recently by making its apps available to all, at least to devices running 4.4.x. So, the importance of being able to run with the very latest Android version has been somewhat mitigated.
The thing that has me concerned right now about the One+ 1 are the very long update cycles of CM. Should Android 5.0 roll out within the next few months, it would mean, based on CM update history, an additional 6 months before CM moves on to it the latest Android version nightlies roundup. 6 months is often longer than it takes even the big manufacturers to skin and update the latest Android version, waiting periods which proud Nexus owners have been able to avoid.
Just curious to hear from Nexus people who are thinking about this device and what any inevitable updates might mean to you?

Well I think official updates are irrelevant as developers here will release their ROMs with line to the latest Google releases for the device.....I will just be buying One for Hardware.......

In an interview of Kondik, he said that now that they're a company and this is their product, they have actual paid devs working on the updates, which should make their code more higher quality and updates faster (though now that they have to make it stable means that it will slow updates down, I hope there will be a nightly channel)

mannu_in said:
Well I think official updates are irrelevant as developers here will release their ROMs with line to the latest Google releases for the device.....I will just be buying One for Hardware.......
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Don't bet on that. Look at how poorly the community CM builds (i'm talking official nightlies, those are "community" builds from the point of view of Cyngn) for the Oppo N1 are. It's Cyngn's official position that they don't care at all if the community builds are completely broken and that users should have no expectations whatsoever from them.

Use nightline updates and you'll be happy :laugh: it helps a lot to devs make CM better and better

From the official point of view CM have said in a previous interview that we should expect 4 months on a major android version upgrade in CM11S.
I think that's pretty decent, anyone in need of a faster update schedule should jump on the nightly train, or find another rom

MrAndroid-HD said:
From the official point of view CM have said in a previous interview that we should expect 4 months on a major android version upgrade in CM11S.
I think that's pretty decent, anyone in need of a faster update schedule should jump on the nightly train, or find another rom
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Right, but in terms of waiting times, I was referring even to the nightlies cycle. After a new Android release version, it usually takes months before they start to work on it. The stable releases, even the monthly ones, would take even longer. Correct me I'm wrong, but those hoping to jump on the nightlies cycle after the next version might be in for a rude awakening. But, in terms of stability for the nightlies, I have no doubt, they could be used as daily drivers, that is, if they open up nightlies to the general public.

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Right, but in terms of waiting times, I was referring even to the nightlies cycle. After a new Android release version, it usually takes months before they start to work on it. The stable releases, even the monthly ones, would take even longer. Correct me I'm wrong, but those hoping to jump on the nightlies cycle after the next version might be in for a rude awakening. But, in terms of stability for the nightlies, I have no doubt, they could be used as daily drivers, that is, if they open up nightlies to the general public.
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Remmember this is a special verison of CM, there is nothing like it used to that you can rely on. I know how things where in the past, but this is really one of their first projects where they are the main system on the phone from start - I know they where on the Oppo N1 also from the beginnign, but as far as I know, there weren't made a set deal like with the OnePlus..
Here OnePlus have a 2 year contract on a special version of CM.. Only time will tell us how much it differs from their normal releases..

As said before, the Cyanogen transition from a hobby to a company might give a huge benefit here.
It's true that the waiting time between stable releases has historically been quite poor, but I have extremely good experiences with CM nightlies. I'm running nightlies on my Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7, and I can't really complain about anything. Hopefully we'll have an easy opt-in to the nightlies (like there is currently) and that the first nightlies get pushed out fast as Android is updated.
Also, we'll always have community builds.

Honestly, as long as they open source whatever code they use for the screen-off wake gestures, I don't care what I run on the device. As previously mentioned by others, I'm buying the hardware, not the software.

LiquidSolstice said:
Honestly, as long as they open source whatever code they use for the screen-off wake gestures, I don't care what I run on the device. As previously mentioned by others, I'm buying the hardware, not the software.
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That's done via touchscreen controller firmware - which isn't itself opensource (it's just a blob encoded into a header file within the kernel), but will work no matter what you're running on the device with a only a few tweaks to the frameworks/kernel. Plenty of projects have experience with these tweaks since the Oppo N1 had the same capability.

floepie said:
So, yeah I'm a bit on the fence with this one. I have an N5 and I love the notion that it's pretty much the first device to receive updates. But, more often as of late, Google pushes updates via its services and even more recently by making its apps available to all, at least to devices running 4.4.x. So, the importance of being able to run with the very latest Android version has been somewhat mitigated.
The thing that has me concerned right now about the One+ 1 are the very long update cycles of CM. Should Android 5.0 roll out within the next few months, it would mean, based on CM update history, an additional 6 months before CM moves on to it the latest Android version nightlies roundup. 6 months is often longer than it takes even the big manufacturers to skin and update the latest Android version, waiting periods which proud Nexus owners have been able to avoid.
Just curious to hear from Nexus people who are thinking about this device and what any inevitable updates might mean to you?
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Keep in mind they were just an independent developers they were getting some random people WHO ACTUALLY WANTED to help maintain some devices even while there wasn't any driver or source code avaliable (Samsung) which is really hard. They didn't had any office and they weren't getting paid for that. Now they have access to all tools from Google and other manufacturers such as Qualcomm and other drivers which gives them much more possibilities like LG, Samsung or Sony already had from the beginning. CyanogenMod 11S will be much more stable and easier for deliever.

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Keep in mind they were just an independent developers they were getting some random people WHO ACTUALLY WANTED to help maintain some devices even while there wasn't any driver or source code avaliable (Samsung) which is really hard. They didn't had any office and they weren't getting paid for that. Now they have access to all tools from Google and other manufacturers such as Qualcomm and other drivers which gives them much more possibilities like LG, Samsung or Sony already had from the beginning. CyanogenMod 11S will be much more stable and easier for deliever.
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Except that they've already had one official partner device (Oppo N1) where the user experience was actually WORSE for most people than many of the community-supported devices.

Entropy512 said:
Except that they've already had one official partner device (Oppo N1) where the user experience was actually WORSE for most people than many of the community-supported devices.
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I don't know users experiences about Oppo N1 but I do know that CyanogenMod didn't get as many tools from Oppo as they do have now from Oneplus and their hardware partners. Abhisek Devkota from CyanogenMod have been talking about it somewhere on Google plus. I'm not going to sit on cyanogenmod anyway most likely, especially when there will be support from Slimkat and francisco. Reminder: Oneplus One will be fully unlocked and sources will be avaliable for everyone.

If anyone thinks CM is slow I had 4.4 on my tf700 within one month. Nightlies of course.

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I don't know users experiences about Oppo N1 but I do know that CyanogenMod didn't get as many tools from Oppo as they do have now from Oneplus and their hardware partners. Abhisek Devkota from CyanogenMod have been talking about it somewhere on Google plus. I'm not going to sit on cyanogenmod anyway most likely, especially when there will be support from Slimkat and francisco. Reminder: Oneplus One will be fully unlocked and sources will be avaliable for everyone.
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That's bull****. The only thing they can blame Oppo on is the initial O-Click fiasco - nothing beyond that. (And I'm letting them slide for the O-Click mess, that really wasn't their fault)
Any failures beyond that have nothing to do with Oppo and everything to do with Cyngn. If you look at oppoforums, the Oppo section of the CM G+ community, and CM's own forums, they're full of users saying they're switching to Omni... Which happens to be maintained by people who got the N1 1-2 months later than Cyngn, aren't paid to work on the device, and didn't have anywhere close to the level of access to Oppo engineers and documentation (Cyngn signed an NDA for Qualcomm docs, we didn't).
So if users are reporting all over that they're switching to a project which had LESS of everything that Cyngn said they didn't have enough of - don't you think something is wrong there?
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If anyone thinks CM is slow I had 4.4 on my tf700 within one month. Nightlies of course.
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We're not talking about nightlies here, since there's no guarantee for users that they'll be anything but crap. Cyngn is ADAMANT about this position. If community builds (nightlies) for a Cyngn device are broken, you're SOL.

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Any failures beyond that have nothing to do with Oppo and everything to do with Cyngn. If you look at oppoforums, the Oppo section of the CM G+ community, and CM's own forums, they're full of users saying they're switching to Omni... Which happens to be maintained by people who got the N1 1-2 months later than Cyngn, aren't paid to work on the device, and didn't have anywhere close to the level of access to Oppo engineers and documentation (Cyngn signed an NDA for Qualcomm docs, we didn't).
So if users are reporting all over that they're switching to a project which had LESS of everything that Cyngn said they didn't have enough of - don't you think something is wrong there?
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Well that someone prefer more one rom than the other doesn't prove anything. I prefer custom rom Slimkat on my Nexus 4 even if stock is super stable or even a cyanogenmod rom on my phone. I tried OmniRom on my N4 tho but I couldn't find multiwindow at all in rom so I flashed over something else...

Me venting about CM on the moto G

Wow. Just wow. I mean, this phone has got to be at least nine months old by now. And guess what - I haven't seen a stable build of CM11 yet. In fact, I haven't seen a build where audio even works as it should, and in the latest nightly, the audio derped out completely, even in calls. GPS doesn't work. WiFi drops every 5 minutes or so. Mobile data doesn't activate for about half an hour, even then it drops out every 5 minutes, just like the WiFi.
Cyanogenmod is beyond a joke. The Moto G runs stock android out of the box, so there is literally nothing for the CM team to modify to get CM to work on it. They should at least get audio and GPS working - in contrast there is an unstable, unofficial build for the Samsung Galaxy Ace "s5830" of CM11 that has more things working than the current "official", "stable" build on the Moto G.
I thought CM was meant to be about bringing Stock android to all devices, on Google's schedule, long after OEMs and carriers have dropped support for these devices. What's crazy here is that the Moto G's "stock" software has had a version of 4.4.4 available for months; Motorola have finished it, and carriers have got round to rolling it out - and it's been on my phone for several weeks now.
My point is, Motorola (who are very lazy when it comes to updates) have finished 4.4.4, given the update to carriers, who then procrastinated about rolling it out for weeks before finally rolling it out, and still, despite all this, Cyanogenmod haven't even got a stable build of kitkat at all, let alone 4.4.4, to offer. They are literally worse than OEMs and carriers at updating their phones on time.
If you have a Moto G, please do not ruin it by installing cyanogenmod on it. It is useless beyond belief, and you will cry for days about having turned your phone into an expensive paperweight. On the bright side, if that corner of your piece of paper just won't stick down, go ahead and install CM.

Is this is a complain or something like that lol? BTW I don't have any issues with CM or CM based ROMs.

Here we go. At this point, I am also waiting for a more stable version of CM 11 for Falcon. Yes, there are issues with it. Some are pretty notable, others are barely (or not at all) notable.
The thing here is that you are using open sourced software. There are some really, really experienced developers working on CM 11 to make it better for us, the end users. However, and I have seen this happen before, some lesser-experienced developers might forget about something every once in a while causing issues on the devices. This can happen. It happens to everyone, Motorola developers included (just look at the reports of battery drain issues across the Android versions).
CyanogenMod is a great team and are introducing features that improve Android in small, yet very useful ways. These features, in themselves, are working brilliantly. The only quirk with this is that CyanogenMod is trying to get each and every different phone to run Android in combination with those features. I might be wrong here, but that seems like that's causing a lot of trouble over some different devices, including the Moto G. If CyanogenMod adds a new feature to (for recent issues' sake) audio for devices CyanogenMod support (an update library for example), there's always a chance that gets pushed to the Moto G, and there's something with the Moto G that makes it not function properly. This is really notable in the Nightly releases. The most recent Nightly releases, 07-24 and 07-25 contain an issue that makes it so that audio isn't functioning properly. This is always a possibility. It's a Nightly, unstable, release. You cannot complain that it's not working on a version that's not intended to be stable.
This brings me to another point, the "Stable" release category. Moto G's most recent "Stable" release, M6, is really pretty stable. On everyday use, I could not see any one issue with it. The reason for there not being a M7 or M8 "Stable" release, is that there's issues with them, so CyanogenMod decided that it shouldn't be classed "Stable" for our device and therefor did not release them. I'm sure that, when there's a new safe-to-be-called-Stable release, CyanogenMod will push that to our device as well.
CyanogenMod is open source. There are bugs in it. You sign up for that in exchange for some new features and continued support from the developers. For the most part, the core software is stable. It's the "drivers" for the phone that are causing issues. Also, the new features have to be tested and the bugs that are in them should get reported to CyanogenMod so that the team can fix them. If you don't report the bugs, how would they get squashed? I have reported the audio issue on the most recent Nightly releases to CyanogenMod, which brings it to their attention and, while it is being fixed, the Nightly releases are temporarily postponed until the issue is fixed to prevent any further harm that this issue might cause. That is what CyanogenMod is about. They release something, obtain feedback, fix it, release that fix, obtain feedback, fix it and release that fix. That cycle keeps continuing. If they don't obtain feedback, they will just keep doing what they are doing -- add new features, which might cause the bugs you found to keep being there forever and ever.
And you may say that trying to report stuff in Nightly releases isn't 'allowed' on their feedback site, you're looking in the wrong place. You should look in the Nightly Regressions section of the CyanogenMod JIRA -- not the regular Issues section.
If you have any comment on what I just stated, please do reply to me. If there's anything that's wrong with what I just stated, please do correct me. If you dislike anything about what I just stated, please do not just post a hate comment on it -- actually explain what you don't like and why so I can, in turn, respond to that as well.
Thanks for reading.

I've never had problems with CM11 i'm using xt1032 btw

Whoooa... sorry guys didn't mean to offend anyone just wanted to vent.
My point is if some 12 year old can get audio working on some ****ty outdated low end samsung device with no sources (eg the s5830i), whoever is in charge of the Moto G (a modern, officially supported device btw) should be able to AT LEAST MAKE THE DAMN AUDIO FECKING WORK.
IMHO custom ROMs are dead and xposed is the future.

I've just heard they've stopped development for the Moto G entirely. Motorola and the various carriers their phones are on have got their act together and released 4.4.4, CM haven't finished... ...anything.

moto_g_n00b said:
Whoooa... sorry guys didn't mean to offend anyone just wanted to vent.
My point is if some 12 year old can get audio working on some ****ty outdated low end samsung device with no sources (eg the s5830i), whoever is in charge of the Moto G (a modern, officially supported device btw) should be able to AT LEAST MAKE THE DAMN AUDIO FECKING WORK.
IMHO custom ROMs are dead and xposed is the future.
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Whoa… No need to swear. I'm not flaming on you. I even partially agree with you. I just provided you with what I think about the matter, and nothing negative about any of what you commented. There's absolutely no need to go crazy about what a few members comment on your post.
Have a great day, sir, and lighten up a bit.

Advice needed: Most stable and usable ROM?

Howdy all! I've dug out a couple old Nexus 5's that I stopped using a while back when I got PH-1 and am looking to reflash one of them for a friend who needs a phone and can't afford to buy new. When I was using them last I was running LineageOS 14.1. I'd like to set him up with something stable that he can use as a daily driver for a while and was looking for suggestions. It looks like a ton of ROMs have been updated and I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction for a good current setup that will be easy on the battery and have the most features without compromising stability. Is there a commonly accepted "best" Nexus 5 build? I'm good at following directions, but a lot of the technical stuff is over my head, so trying to research everything I've missed for the last couple years is making my head spin lol. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!

Stable ROM for Nexus 5
Hey,
I have found AOKP to be really good for my Nexus 5. It has the stability of Lineage 14.1, but also has a few nice little additions: OMS support for Substratum, customisable navbar, a few tweaks here and there. And it is still being developed, and receives regular updates.
Not too heavy on the fancy stuff, so for me it's a nice tradeoff between "stock" AOSP/Lineage, and a few little enhancements.
Also the Nexus 5 is officially supported by the developers, which is important to me.
I've tried Android O and Android P ROMs on my Nexus 5, but I still find Nougat ROMs seem to run the best.
I also have a Nexus 7 (2013) tablet, and the ROM is also available for that as well. As I have OCD, I "need" both my phone and tablet to run the same system, and AOKP gives me this.
Just my suggestion, anyway. Give it a try, and see what you think.
Cheers
Shaun

Thanks! I will check it out

if you like simpler thing i would suggest LOS 14.1 even tho our hammerhead are not supported officially you can use unofficial build by razorloves here https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80268653&postcount=3145 or another one here https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80210774&postcount=3 they updated it once a month at least with security updates each months
also if you want tor try LOS 14.1 CAF you can try this https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80340013&postcount=753

I also have a Nexus 5 laying around that I mostly use as an extra device to test apps on. However, since my apps usually require working Bluetooth LE and other network related stuff, I have refrained from using Android Oreo and Pie based ROMs since I always read that there's some issues with this or that.
I have stayed with the latest Lineage OS 14.1 (Android 7.1.2) and it has worked pretty well. However, I have now decided to move to something a little bit fresher, but still based on Nougat. I went with the AOKP suggestion made by @shaunoleary since they are still releasing official builds. Unfortunately the AOKP's security patch level is still on February 2019.
If want something with a more up-to-date security patch level you can also try these LineageOS 14.1 builds: https://forum.xda-developers.com/go...opment/rom-cm14-1-nexus-5-hammerhead-t3510548 which are supposed to be on September 2019 security patch level.

petersaints said:
I also have a Nexus 5 laying around that I mostly use as an extra device to test apps on. However, since my apps usually require working Bluetooth LE and other network related stuff, I have refrained from using Android Oreo and Pie based ROMs since I always read that there's some issues with this or that.
I have stayed with the latest Lineage OS 14.1 (Android 7.1.2) and it has worked pretty well. However, I have now decided to move to something a little bit fresher, but still based on Nougat. I went with the AOKP suggestion made by @shaunoleary since they are still releasing official builds. Unfortunately the AOKP's security patch level is still on February 2019.
If want something with a more up-to-date security patch level you can also try these LineageOS 14.1 builds: https://forum.xda-developers.com/go...opment/rom-cm14-1-nexus-5-hammerhead-t3510548 which are supposed to be on September 2019 security patch level.
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Hey Peter - thanks for the nod
I acknowledge that AOKP's security patch level is a bit dated, but having used LineageOS for a long time, I found some of the features AOKP throws into Lineage, I'm willing to sacrifice that for the extra goodies AOKP offers.
I have decided to stick to Nougat for as long as I can. I tried Oreo and Pie, and had noting but trouble with Bluetooth. It's such a shame when they bring out such a solid, stable release of Android like Nougat, and then stop supporting it because it's not "the latest".
Just as an aside, I have recently been using MicroG (Nanodroid package) instead of GAPPS on my N5 (and my N7 2013 as well), and have found it to be very usable now. Google Pay does not work, but aside from that, I get much better battery life than using GAPPS. In fact, my location accuracy seems to be better, and I've got Play Store working a treat.

Hi there, I have the same problem, my N5 stayed on last security patches from the official rom in Feb 2019. Then Lineage ended official support. Did someone try to install the unofficial version (made by razerlove) over the last official build. Would that work? Any hints?

I've tried them all it seems, having acquired dozens of units a few years back .. Im serious, i think im absurdly qualified to make this recommendation.
Hundreds of ROMs/kernels/use cases.
Maybe something is fast and beautiful, until you install more than a few apps, and then it chokes. Maybe it works great with most carriers but not the one you have. My point is that nexuses that aren't working get reformatted and a winnowing occurs.
And gradually a winner emerged. I now have this on 90% of n5s.
If you must have android 9, I recommend floko, but my #1 n5 ROM is
crdroid 7.1.2 LOS caf
with opengapps
and truesight 4.4 caf kernel ,
although the one it installs is fine.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/go...ent/rom-crdroid-release-weekend-t3182013/amp/
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Oh, and I dont know if it fits without the UA repartition mod, but I can attest to it working since I've modified most units with the mod at this point.
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I've tried them all it seems, having acquired dozens of units a few years back .. Im serious, i think im absurdly qualified to make this recommendation.
Hundreds of ROMs/kernels/use cases.
Maybe something is fast and beautiful, until you install more than a few apps, and then it chokes. Maybe it works great with most carriers but not the one you have. My point is that nexuses that aren't working get reformatted and a winnowing occurs.
And gradually a winner emerged. I now have this on 90% of n5s.
If you must have android 9, I recommend floko, but my #1 n5 ROM is
crdroid 7.1.2 LOS caf
with opengapps
and truesight 4.4 caf kernel ,
although the one it installs is fine.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/go...ent/rom-crdroid-release-weekend-t3182013/amp/
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[ROM][REQUEST][POLL] Should i develop a rom for the Tab S6??

Hi all,
i own a Tab S6 T860 (non-lte) for quite a while now, about 6 months.
There are some downsides like the horrible unbuffered screen tearing that you'll get with fast-scrolling, but the overall device is pretty premium-sided, and it's got a decent processor, a great display (color/resolution wise) although im missing 2160p in youtube.
Question is as i (until now) didnt bothered developing for a new device, since i had my hands full with the MiPad4, some alcatel devices and are Maintaining official LineageOS for three legacy devices, should i develop for this one if the community still wants it.
The lead-dev of the MiPad left it so im thinking about developing for the Tab S6 now.
I would only develop LineageOS, starting with 16.0 then doing 17.1 and then 18 but idk how long it would take, since ive no real knowledge of the newest platforms and how they are built, so i'd be reading/trying out stuff a LOT before some release nightlies. The "latest" i developed for was the MiPad4 with a sdm660 btw but i mainly do legacy (e.g 8953/8952/8926).
So please leave your feedback or any other opinions/questions, if we reach a decent amount of people who still want it i'll start right away when im back home from my vacations on 18th.
Best Regards!
Edit: Since theres no real telegram group, and i MAINLY talk via telegram i made one so you can contact me quickly.
https://t.me/joinchat/Bn6f-VKeQfZfiKXo69h3Mw

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I would LOVE to have LOS on my Tab S6 (SM-T860) WiFi-only tablet!
Don't even care about stuff like fingerprint, external keyboard, Widevine, Bluetooth, any 'functionality' similar to what Samsung 'provides' like, you name it.
I've spent sooo much time, and a few dollars, trying to get preinstalled stuff to *not* work! but still be able to boot—Knox bull****, anyone?
And having telephony **** on my WiFi-only tablet, either. Something that has baffled me for years is why a 'custom' ROM for a Wifi-only device has software that trys to interact with nonexistent hardware, using up cpu as it continually tries...on a bit of a rant, there.
So yeah, I'm all in. FWIW, I helped write the instructions, and did a *lot* of testing for rooting the Tab S5e, so I ain't scared to test out stuff; check it out, here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s5e/how-to/galaxy-tab-s5e-sm-t720-root-t3947806

TiTiB said:
I would LOVE to have LOS on my Tab S6 (SM-T860) WiFi-only tablet!
Don't even care about stuff like fingerprint, external keyboard, Widevine, Bluetooth, any 'functionality' similar to what Samsung 'provides' like, you name it.
I've spent sooo much time, and a few dollars, trying to get preinstalled stuff to *not* work! but still be able to boot—Knox bull****, anyone?
And having telephony **** on my WiFi-only tablet, either. Something that has baffled me for years is why a 'custom' ROM for a Wifi-only device has software that trys to interact with nonexistent hardware, using up cpu as it continually tries...on a bit of a rant, there.
So yeah, I'm all in. FWIW, I helped write the instructions, and did a *lot* of testing for rooting the Tab S5e, so I ain't scared to test out stuff; check it out, here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s5e/how-to/galaxy-tab-s5e-sm-t720-root-t3947806
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Thanks for the info about the S5e, i was unaware of how well it is supported.
I would definitely do stuff like fingerprint, widevine, Bluetooth (PEN) and stuff.
But idk about those keyboards samsung offers and how they function since i cant test it on my own.
Same goes for the LTE but im pretty sure i can just use the same blobs.
BTW anyone has a firehose package for the tab s6 by chance???

I too would love LOS in this device. Samsung UI is cluttery, lagging (on mine), and an absolute mess. My PocoF1 gives me better Honkai Impact 3 (a gatcha action fighting game) performance than this tablet, and the poco is an SD845, with lite LOS. So yeah, I'd love to have this. My warranty is void anyways (because samsung decided so I haven't done a thing to void it), so it'd be great to have a reason to take advantage of that.

Chiming in for a plea to get a Lineage build for the Tab S6.
Such a gorgeous piece of hardware beset by such a ****ty software implementation. Why does Samsung insist on abusing its customers? I'd gladly pay for a Lineage or AOSP rom for our device.

Alright, a little update:
Kernel is done -> link found below
It has to be handled with care as of now. Installing it on my running rom resulted in a crash when unlocking the device. A quick factory reset fixed the problem but keep that in mind when installing this on your device.
Rom will follow up hopefully till next month - but i cant promise anything.
T-860:
https://dl.keksla.wtf/boot_t860.img
T-865:
(uploading)

Thargorsson said:
Alright, a little update:
Kernel is done -> link found below
It has to be handled with care as of now. Installing it on my running rom resulted in a crash when unlocking the device. A quick factory reset fixed the problem but keep that in mind when installing this on your device.
Rom will follow up hopefully till next month - but i cant promise anything.
T-860:
https://dl.keksla.wtf/boot_t860.img
T-865:
(uploading)
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i would love to have custom kernel for samsung rom, but i don mind if you can make enhancements to the kernel like under volt or to solve the graphics lagging issues. it was just tiny changes involved in the past to make it work for both stock and LineageOS but for android 10, i have no idea
i have long inactive in both rom and kernel developments and i doubt how long should it take to get familiar with changes from android 7 to 10
ps i am still on pie, too lazy to upgrade due to my csc is tgy, which lacks updates as usual, and i dont wanna reinstall everything as to switch to dbt and to re-enter all my passwords
btw, may i ask if the stock android 10 fixed the problem with fast scrolling? i have experiences lags and graphics distortions with the samsung browser which was way toooooo unacceptable for a top device like tab s6

ykkfive said:
i would love to have custom kernel for samsung rom, but i don mind if you can make enhancements to the kernel like under volt or to solve the graphics lagging issues. it was just tiny changes involved in the past to make it work for both stock and LineageOS but for android 10, i have no idea
i have long inactive in both rom and kernel developments and i doubt how long should it take to get familiar with changes from android 7 to 10
ps i am still on pie, too lazy to upgrade due to my csc is tgy, which lacks updates as usual, and i dont wanna reinstall everything as to switch to dbt and to re-enter all my passwords
btw, may i ask if the stock android 10 fixed the problem with fast scrolling? i have experiences lags and graphics distortions with the samsung browser which was way toooooo unacceptable for a top device like tab s6
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nope, sadly we still suffer from those issues on Q .
I dont have any good knowledge of how to apply those undervolts as i never done it before (lineageos requires stock govenors for official) but if you can point me to the correct commits i can look at it

Thargorsson said:
nope, sadly we still suffer from those issues on Q .
I dont have any good knowledge of how to apply those undervolts as i never done it before (lineageos requires stock govenors for official) but if you can point me to the correct commits i can look at it
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oh...
there were some cpu/voltage tweaks for the same cpu before for my old devices. and for our tab s 6 there are a few devices with the same cpu like one plus. you can search the cpu model in github and then you can find the code name of it and those devices which use the same cpu. i used to get those tweaks for modifying kernels for my previous devices. however for our 855, sadly there's no port for the samsung devices afaik, so you may need to make some more changes in order to port them
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just found this one https://github.com/kdrag0n/proton_bluecross/releases
it should be a 855 with some oc according to the change log, but unfortunately i couldnt load the changes with my browser so i couldnt find the relevant commits
may be you can take a look at that

Thargorsson said:
Hi all,
i own a Tab S6 T860 (non-lte) for quite a while now, about 6 months.
There are some downsides like the horrible unbuffered screen tearing that you'll get with fast-scrolling, but the overall device is pretty premium-sided, and it's got a decent processor, a great display (color/resolution wise) although im missing 2160p in youtube.
Question is as i (until now) didnt bothered developing for a new device, since i had my hands full with the MiPad4, some alcatel devices and are Maintaining official LineageOS for three legacy devices, should i develop for this one if the community still wants it.
The lead-dev of the MiPad left it so im thinking about developing for the Tab S6 now.
I would only develop LineageOS, starting with 16.0 then doing 17.1 and then 18 but idk how long it would take, since ive no real knowledge of the newest platforms and how they are built, so i'd be reading/trying out stuff a LOT before some release nightlies. The "latest" i developed for was the MiPad4 with a sdm660 btw but i mainly do legacy (e.g 8953/8952/8926).
So please leave your feedback or any other opinions/questions, if we reach a decent amount of people who still want it i'll start right away when im back home from my vacations on 18th.
Best Regards!
Edit: Since theres no real telegram group, and i MAINLY talk via telegram i made one so you can contact me quickly.
https://t.me/joinchat/Bn6f-VKeQfZfiKXo69h3Mw
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I'm in at 17.1 level and up. Don't want to go back...

YES! Yes please please please! I have been dreaming and hoping LOS would come to the Tab S6 for SO long now. So yes, please make a rom for it. Please.

I would love to have LOS rom support on the Tab S6! The lack of Lineage OS support was the one thing holding me back from purchasing the Tab S6, compared to the Tab S5E, but I wanted the faster processor, storage, and larger memory capacity.
That said, if you develop a working LOS rom, that would be a huge win for all Tab S6 users!

I don't think there is a person on XDA with the tab S6 that would not want to see a custom lineage Rom built. I do want a working Spen though. Im on stock 10 One UI 2.5 and samsung is extremely slow at releasing the kernel source code for the 860. Its definitely worth it to use to build one if you can. Thanks for developing on the tab S6.

LOS for T-865 ?! Yes, absolutely
P.S: Working pen would be great of course.

Still On The Fence.
lucgardos said:
LOS for T-865 ?! Yes, absolutely
P.S: Working pen would be great of course.
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I would support a ROM for this device, but I am leery about past issues and previous devices. I had 3 smp600 units, and all three were beaten to the edge with constant testing of all the ROMS I could grab. But, only ONE of those tabs choked on something from a pure LOS build. Then it hit a brick wall. I could never find a way past a Nov 18 build. So, now with two smt870 units, I will tread lightly. And, big question: WHY are we STILL stuck with ODIN for this process? I know nothing of the process of coding and writing these great ROMS, but having to drag out a WINDOWS laptop to update my android device seems like many steps backwards. I have no NEED for a laptop save for praying for Odin to even run properly. Wish there were better ways for us old farts who've forgotten more tricks than new ones have been taught. But, I am on board to get the Sammy off of my tab. Thanks for your errors.
;-DeanoD

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I would support a ROM for this device, but I am leery about past issues and previous devices. I had 3 smp600 units, and all three were beaten to the edge with constant testing of all the ROMS I could grab. But, only ONE of those tabs choked on something from a pure LOS build. Then it hit a brick wall. I could never find a way past a Nov 18 build. So, now with two smt870 units, I will tread lightly. And, big question: WHY are we STILL stuck with ODIN for this process? I know nothing of the process of coding and writing these great ROMS, but having to drag out a WINDOWS laptop to update my android device seems like many steps backwards. I have no NEED for a laptop save for praying for Odin to even run properly. Wish there were better ways for us old farts who've forgotten more tricks than new ones have been taught. But, I am on board to get the Sammy off of my tab. Thanks for your errors.
;-DeanoD
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Well if your not rooted you dont need odin you can install official release update. If you mean to install custom rom like lineage you again dont need odin after you install TWRP.

Actually, on debloated rooted stock ROM I don't see any problems so far..Device is holding it solid and sound.
Flavour of Lineage is absolutely welcome, but personaly I wouldn't use it because a lot of bugs and non functional addons.
Personally...this tablet without pen is like Ferrari without fuel.

Rooted debloated stock is miles ahead of Samsung's incompetent shadow apps. But even as stripped down as I can make it, the ROM still lags and burns battery in the background. I've tried everything and can't get this beautiful expensive piece of hardware to perform to its specs. I respect others who love it as is, but I've never gotten comfortable with the pen and just want a light, fast tablet with a beautiful screen that doesn't overtax its battery.
I'd switch to Lineage on this device in a heartbeat.

this project still alive? seems dead for me.