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We were able to get LTE working on the Nexus 4, abit crudely though, I read something about the Nexus 5 having an adjustable tuner, or something like that. Any chance somebody can "adjust" it to work on band 13 for Verizon?
I currently have a Galaxy Nexus, what would happen if I put my SIM card into the Nexus 5? Would it work with CDMA? It has the right CDMA bands and frequencies that Verizon uses. And if I was in an AWS band 4 area, I suppose LTE could work as well.
I know that I can pop my SIM card in any other Verizon phone, and it will work, CDMA and LTE. I don't need to go to Verizon to activate the CDMA part of the phone. So let's say I got a G2 and put my Galaxy Nexus SIM in it, it would work just like my Galaxy Nexus. So if I put my SIM card into a Nexus 5, wouldn't the CDMA just work because my SIM is there and it has the correct CDMA bands? If it does, I guess all we would have to do is get band 13 working so we can get full LTE support on Verizon.
I'm almost compelled to buy a Nexus 5 now and try this out, and hope somebody figures out how to get band 13 working.
Am I just dreaming or what?
jack584 said:
We were able to get LTE working on the Nexus 4, abit crudely though, I read something about the Nexus 5 having an adjustable tuner, or something like that. Any chance somebody can "adjust" it to work on band 13 for Verizon?
I currently have a Galaxy Nexus, what would happen if I put my SIM card into the Nexus 5? Would it work with CDMA? It has the right CDMA bands and frequencies that Verizon uses. And if I was in an AWS band 4 area, I suppose LTE could work as well.
I know that I can pop my SIM card in any other Verizon phone, and it will work, CDMA and LTE. I don't need to go to Verizon to activate the CDMA part of the phone. So let's say I got a G2 and put my Galaxy Nexus SIM in it, it would work just like my Galaxy Nexus. So if I put my SIM card into a Nexus 5, wouldn't the CDMA just work because my SIM is there and it has the correct CDMA bands? If it does, I guess all we would have to do is get band 13 working so we can get full LTE support on Verizon.
I'm almost compelled to buy a Nexus 5 now and try this out, and hope somebody figures out how to get band 13 working.
Am I just dreaming or what?
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I'd say it's easier to leave VZW.
Can you just do hacks and get the band to work?
And secondly it won't work. There have been countless posts about this. When you pop your Sim in it may take a while for service because Verizon is checking the imei on the phone to either grant it access or deny it access to the network.
I'm sure many people have ordered one and hope it will work (I have seen comments on dlife about them).
If the actual hardware components (Transceiver, Power Amplifier, Filters, Duplexers, etc..) on Nexus 5 support Band 13, maybe.
But you can't magically software enable something that doesn't physically exist.
How are you going to add the ESN to Verizons network???
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Yes the actual hardware supports Band 13, this phone hardware wise is a G2 dressed in a different set of clothing and that's it. My Nexus 7 LTE works just fine on Verizon's Band 13 and my IMEI is not in Verizon's database. Now Verizon wont activate a sim in a device that isn't in their database and Verizon CDMA has always been unlocked. I am betting money if you take a sim out of an iPhone 5 and live/visit a market where Verizon is doing LTE on AWS and pop that nano into a Nexus 5 your gonna auth on the LTE network and your gonna be working 100%
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And secondly it won't work. There have been countless posts about this. When you pop your Sim in it may take a while for service because Verizon is checking the imei on the phone to either grant it access or deny it access to the network.
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I currently have the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 LTE. The Nexus 7 LTE's IMEI is not in Verizon's database and it still works when I put my Verizon SIM into it, and it does not take it a while to get service.
I understand things are different with CDMA, but I still have a sliver of hope that somebody will get this working on Verizon.
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Yes the actual hardware supports Band 13, this phone hardware wise is a G2 dressed in a different set of clothing and that's it. My Nexus 7 LTE works just fine on Verizon's Band 13 and my IMEI is not in Verizon's database. Now Verizon wont activate a sim in a device that isn't in their database and Verizon CDMA has always been unlocked. I am betting money if you take a sim out of an iPhone 5 and live/visit a market where Verizon is doing LTE on AWS and pop that nano into a Nexus 5 your gonna auth on the LTE network and your gonna be working 100%
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Same sentiments except the Nexus is micro sim so you would need a converter. Band 13 is controversial because VZ has a consent decree to allow open device access but other bands are not covered. Since Band 13 is not enabled a hacked modem FW need to be installed to enable as such. The Nex 7 LTE does not support CDMA nor Voice so that is not exactly the same.
BTW my S4 now shows Band 17/20 support with the new MJ7 Modem update.
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Yes the actual hardware supports Band 13, this phone hardware wise is a G2 dressed in a different set of clothing and that's it. My Nexus 7 LTE works just fine on Verizon's Band 13 and my IMEI is not in Verizon's database. Now Verizon wont activate a sim in a device that isn't in their database and Verizon CDMA has always been unlocked. I am betting money if you take a sim out of an iPhone 5 and live/visit a market where Verizon is doing LTE on AWS and pop that nano into a Nexus 5 your gonna auth on the LTE network and your gonna be working 100%
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IMEI can be activated by Verizon
from google forums:
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/nexus/Jv9FAwucMWM/7pIfTKxY5yUJ
sconosciute on Dec 1 said:
Okay so non-vzw device is actually a common issue. It is completely possible to activate a non Verizon device on the Verizon Wireless network, thought it's not something we advertise, and chances are you if you ask us if it's possible we will give you the blanket answer of no because many phones designed for other carriers are locked to that carrier, it is possible to unlock it for activation on another network (eg AT&T iPhone on Verizon network) but it's not something we do. When we receive something that the system does not recognize (it can only be done by placing an active sim into a new device) we have to fill out an e911 compliance form and manually add the MEID/IMEI to the system, tech support is capable of doing all of this upon request.
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FYI: I have a Nexus 5 on latest Marshmallow update and it runs great on the Project Fi network after I activated the SIM in my Nexus 6.
Thought I would try this to answer your questions.
I have an activated VZW SIM which I swap out to many other devices, including the Project Fi version of the Nexus 6 (Non-VZW device), a Droid MAXX, GPE HTC One... and many unlocked tablets and MiFi hotspots without issues (so long as the bands are supported).
I popped the VZW SIM into the Nexus 5 and it recognized the SIM but showed no network service. I attempted the pre-configured VZW APN settings to no success. I then manually entered all APN settings from the Nexus 6 which works fine. Nothing... no service.
While you may be able to get VZW to manually add your IMEI to their E911 database, I doubt it's worth the effort.
In Short and to re-confirm all of the previous posts... NO, you cannot use a Nexus 5 on Verizon wireless.
I recommend you go pick up a 5X and it'll work straight up out of the box.... or sign up for Project Fi. I love Fi but keep my VZW for the unlimited data.
I'm looking at the P 6000 and the P 7000. Both look like great phones, but neither has the US LTE bands. These phones have LTE bands 1, 3, 7 and 20 . None these are used in the US.
I'm pretty sure the MTK SoC can use a lot more LTE bands. Why aren't they enabled?
sean
Doesnt support T-Mobile
Yeah I was considering getting a P7000 price was great but none of the Elephones support any of T-mobile 4G bands so no use getting one.
So ordering another Oneplus One instead.
I'm surprised that they have band 20, cause not many countries use it (Germany does) so not many manufactors include band 20, like Moto Maxx doesn't have 20 on it.
I currently have the Z3Compact and am considering getting the Z3 T-Mobile variant, as I'm a T-Mo prepaid customer. Just a few questions:
1) Can the Tmo variant Z3 be used on another carrier? Without unlocking the bootloader? I would like to root without unlocking the bootloader to still use all the Sony features (like with the Z3C). If I switch to another GSM carrier in a year, I'd like to still be able to use this device.
2) Is VoLTE up & working? Can it be used while rooted, locked bootloader? The same question with wifi calling.
3) Can the Tmobile ROM / Firmware be flashed on the International hardware and function exactly the same?
4) Will / can VoLTE / wifi calling come to the Z3C unlocked international variant?
1. Yes you can use it, BUT it only has 3 LTE bands and the 700Mhz (Band 12) LTE is not compatible with AT&T 700Mhz (Band 13). 700Mhz is important for indoor reception. Better to buy the regular Z3 as its a more global phone. Also if you still want the TMO variant you must use it on TMO for at least 40 days for them to unlock.
2. VoLTE works and rooting does not have anything to do with it so go ahead. WiFi calling is the same.
3. Don't do that as you may get no signal/baseband issues.
4. Don't know.
Extra: The T-Mobile variant has quality control issues and has been pulled from sale.... I am on my 8th Z3 after 7 exchanges. In addition TMO had to open a further 3-4 boxes on my third exchange to get a good one.
Just buy the international version..... They don't seem to be problematic like the TMO version and are LTE compatible with more networks.
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1. Yes you can use it, BUT it only has 3 LTE bands and the 700Mhz (Band 12) LTE is not compatible with AT&T 700Mhz (Band 13). 700Mhz is important for indoor reception. Better to buy the regular Z3 as its a more global phone. Also if you still want the TMO variant you must use it on TMO for at least 40 days for them to unlock.
2. VoLTE works and rooting does not have anything to do with it so go ahead. WiFi calling is the same.
3. Don't do that as you may get no signal/baseband issues.
4. Don't know.
Extra: The T-Mobile variant has quality control issues and has been pulled from sale.... I am on my 8th Z3 after 7 exchanges. In addition TMO had to open a further 3-4 boxes on my third exchange to get a good one.
Just buy the international version..... They don't seem to be problematic like the TMO version and are LTE compatible with more networks.
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1) If I only plan to use the phone in the US is it important that the international version is more 'global'? I'm kind of confused: Does the Tmobile version omit bands, or includes all the bands the int'l version plus band 12 / 700Mhz?
If you want to use it on AT&T the 700 Mhz band is not compatible. As you can see below the TMO variant is missing the 2 low bands needed by AT&T for better indoor reception. The global Z3 supports all the AT&T bands except T-Mobile's Band 12....
AT&T LTE Bands
17(700Mhz), Band 5(850Mhz), Band 2(1900Mhz), Band 4(1700/2100Mhz)
T-Mobile LTE Bands (TMO Z3 only supports these 3 bands)
Band 2(1900Mhz), Band 4(1700/2100Mhz), Band 12 (700Mhz)
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If you want to use it on AT&T the 700 Mhz band is not compatible. As you can see below the TMO variant is missing the 2 low bands needed by AT&T for better indoor reception. The global Z3 supports all the bands except T-Mobile's Band 12....
AT&T LTE Bands
17(700Mhz), Band 5(850Mhz), Band 2(1900Mhz), Band 4(1700/2100Mhz)
T-Mobile LTE Bands
Band 2(1900Mhz), Band 4(1700/2100Mhz), Band 12 (700Mhz)
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. I remember before buying my z3C hearing the info from GSMArena was inaccurate for one of the models.
I'm going to see if i can find more info on the quality control issues with the Tmo variant. I've owned Tmo branded versions of phones before and never had an issue.
I replace my phone every year to 18 months so if for some desperate reason I go to AT&T at least it will work in the meantime. I use Google Voice / Hangouts for calls so if I travel internationally I'd use wifi if the LTE reception isn't as good as on an international device for calls (won't use VoLTE), but since I'm in a Tmobile band 12 area I would like to use that.
Found this post on using the Tmo with AT&T: http://www.reddit.com/r/SonyXperia/comments/338q7q/help_with_tmobile_z3_on_att/
The issue is not with T-Mobile, its the variant Sony made for T-Mobile.... When a carrier itself stops selling a device due to problems you are taking a big risk. T-Mobile was good about exchanges though immediate replacements unlike Sony which can take up to 3 weeks. Remember if you want exchanges for any issues with TMO you must buy from TMO itself otherwise you deal with Sony. Considering TMO no longer sells this device TMO won't cover you..... As you will be buying from a third party.
So I strongly suggest you get the international Z3, unless you can buy the TMO variant from TMO itself so you can get replacements easily.
Whatever you decide I hope you enjoy, its a good phone, battery life and screen are amazing.
Thanks for your advice. I bought a Z3 off eBay for cheaper than I got my Z3Compact for a few weeks ago. I've never had to return or repair a smartphone so hopefully I stay lucky.
Well, I hope so too. Enjoy the device, its still the most well rounded device out there despite the release of the new gen phones.
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Well, I hope so too. Enjoy the device, its still the most well rounded device out there despite the release of the new gen phones.
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Yea, I noticed that when I bought my Z3C. The Z3 apparently outperforms the Z3+. My only concern is if I can truly get used to the larger form factor, as I'm passing along my Z3C to someone else as a birthday gift. If not, I'll just sell it and get another Z3C for myself .
I asked this in the D6616 rooting thread but haven't gotten a reply yet: Will I need to downgrade, then root, then flash a pre rooted TFT firmware to get stock rooted (similar process to rooting without unlocking bootloader on the Compact) or can I just use the instructions here regardless of the firmware I have on my Z3? I think Kingroot sounds too shady and wouldn't want to use it.
Can anyone help me figure out if the US Moto G (2015) will work on EE 4G in the UK?
It lists the following bands:
"LTE (2, 4, 5, 7, 12, 17)"
EE in the UK supposedly uses bands 3 and 7.
Does this mean I'd have no problem using a new US Moto G in the UK on EE's 4G?
You'd probably be able to make phone calls and use HSPA+ just fine since the majority of the world uses the same GSM bands for those. As for LTE, you would get nothing since the USA model does not support band 3 or 7.
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You'd probably be able to make phone calls and use HSPA+ just fine since the majority of the world uses the same GSM bands for those. As for LTE, you would get nothing since the USA model does not support band 3 or 7.
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I don't understand. I'd be buying the US version of the phone, and Motorola says it supports band 7.
The question is whether band 7 support is sufficient for 4G on EE in the UK.
jonnythan said:
I don't understand. I'd be buying the US version of the phone, and Motorola says it supports band 7.
The question is whether band 7 support is sufficient for 4G on EE in the UK.
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EE uses bands 7, 3 and 20, if you use a US version of the Moto G 2015 then you will only be able to connect to LTE in a band 7 area, band 7 is 2600MHz so will only be used in cities and towns as it has a very short range, most of EEs LTE network is band 3 (1800MHz) and then band 7 (800MHz) will be used in some cases (it penetrates buildings and has a much greater range) -bottom line is you won't get much LTE at all.
Also if you are considering buying a US version because with a straight conversion it looks cheap, remember you have to pay import duty and taxes once it gets here which will even out the price.
I was looking to buy a US version because my fiancee is living in England and will be coming to the US in about a year. So the conversion rate is better and she'll be able to use it here no problem once she arrives. Sounds like that might not work though.
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I was looking to buy a US version because my fiancee is living in England and will be coming to the US in about a year. So the conversion rate is better and she'll be able to use it here no problem once she arrives. Sounds like that might not work though.
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You'd still get a 3G connection which would be fine for the year so that's still an option?
I didn't realize until after I received it that the KB2000 was the Chinese variant. The one I bought said it was was GSM unlocked. I switched over to T-Mobile but have abysmal service where I'm at. The most I've seen from my house all the way to work (which is admittedly, in the boonies) is 1 bar, and most of the time it's just an "x." I had Sprint before which was pretty bad, but at least actually worked. I figured T-Mobile would be the best bet, as they're merging, but that was a failure.
Anyway, the listing says the phone is GSM unlocked and not for Sprint or Verizon, so is there no hope for getting this phone on one of the CDMA networks? I love the phone, but if I can't use it as a phone, I can't do much...
Ugh,
Doesn't look so great my friend.
OnePlus 8T 5G Standard Edition Dual SIM TD-LTE CN 128GB KB2000 (BBK Kebab) Compatibility in United States
Wireless frequency band information for networks, devices, and countries - Stay connected anywhere in the world
www.frequencycheck.com
Dang, that's not great. Thanks a ton for the help! I've somehow never seen that site, I've been using willmyphonework.net, which is.. meh.
It won't work on Verizon well (if at all) since it's missing band 13. So Verizon is out.
Theoretically it could work okay on T-Mobile since it supports bands 2/4/12 but "boonies" coverage for T-Mobile is trash in my experience. It's also lacking band 71 which travels furthest from the tower (realistically this probably won't make a difference if you already have super poor signal). Some phones on T-Mobile will get native Sprint signal now too- I noticed this behavior on my Pixel 3a XL but not on my OnePlus 8T KB2005. Certainly the KB2000 will only connnect to native T-Mobile. This is reserved for iPhones, Samsungs, Pixels I think.
AT&T might be worth a shot. It supports bands 2/4/5/17 and KB2000 is on AT&T approved device list https://www.att.com/idpassets/images/support/wireless/Devices-Working-on-ATT-Network.pdf 17 is the low band coverage (700MHz) just like Verizon B13 and T-Mobile B12. AT&T has better rural deployments too in my experience. It won't get 5G and you're missing bands 14,30,66 but 2/4/5/17 is enough to have a decent network experience.
First of all, wow, thanks a bunch for the help!
Yeah, I was trying to get *away from* the big guys like Samsung and Google. I've had LG phones for a while and liked them (don't care for updates, so it doesn't bother me), but now that's a no go..
Saved up for the nice OnePlus, and I know people have said they're kind of "selling out," but they're still super root friendly and very open, so I was excited. I also knew I wanted to switch to GSM (been on Boost/Sprint forever, now), and I figured going to T-Mobile from Sprint would be my best bet, as I figured I'd have T-Mobile's coverage PLUS Sprint's, because of the buyout.
Then I read Sprint users can all fallback on T-Mobile, but not the other way around? Except for your listed "premium" models. And I also didn't figure the "boonies" service would be quite this bad; it's awful.
Other people around me say ATT is awful as well, pretty much only Sprint and Verizon are serviceable. Looking at the frequencies, it has no Sprint CDMA bands and with Verizon it only has one: BC0 (no BC1). I've read that 13 is Verizon's "main" LTE band, but how do we know this information? Is BC0 (800) better than BC1 (1900)? I know that *overall* with Verizon the service wouldn't be fantastic, but as long as there's connection in the boonies, that all I need, really.