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Honor 8 monochrome filter vs Huawei P9 monochrome mode

I'm considering both of these devices and I'm curious to know if there any differences in the black and white photography. The 8 has a monochrome sensor but does not shoot in monochrome unless using the filter. The P9 also has a monochrome sense but has a monochrome shooting mode. Is there a stark difference in shooting in monochrome vs shooting with the filter? Or even, adding a black and white filter after? I'm no photographer but I like black and white shots.

progjm said:
I'm considering both of these devices and I'm curious to know if there any differences in the black and white photography. The 8 has a monochrome sensor but does not shoot in monochrome unless using the filter. The P9 also has a monochrome sense but has a monochrome shooting mode. Is there a stark difference in shooting in monochrome vs shooting with the filter? Or even, adding a black and white filter after? I'm no photographer but I like black and white shots.
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After seeing the review, I see that the camera on both devices are 99? identical

I would be interested, if we can in any point use the monochrome mode on honor 8, by using libs. The camera app is the same on both.

dkionline said:
I would be interested, if we can in any point use the monochrome mode on honor 8, by using libs. The camera app is the same on both.
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It's kinda hard, but someone will get it right

dkionline said:
I would be interested, if we can in any point use the monochrome mode on honor 8, by using libs. The camera app is the same on both.
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I also hope that a dev will look to carry the libs on our Honor 8 !

If you are interested in the LEica kind of monochrome photography, I suggest go for the P9. The microcontrast and the picture quality on the monochrome sensor in the night cannot be replicated with a monochrome filter. But otherwise in all other respects the Camera is the same. I would even wager that the battery life is a bit better.

nirmalv said:
If you are interested in the LEica kind of monochrome photography, I suggest go for the P9. The microcontrast and the picture quality on the monochrome sensor in the night cannot be replicated with a monochrome filter. But otherwise in all other respects the Camera is the same. I would even wager that the battery life is a bit better.
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I believe some reviews said that they have the same camera, just no leica branding

PalakMi said:
I believe some reviews said that they have the same camera, just no leica branding
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You are absolutely right. The hardware is the same. Its just that they removed the monochrome mode and filters available in the P9 which directly accesses the monochrome sensor. The option available is to use the regular combined color picture and use a monochrome filter which just isn't the same.

nirmalv said:
You are absolutely right. The hardware is the same. Its just that they removed the monochrome mode and filters available in the P9 which directly accesses the monochrome sensor. The option available is to use the regular combined color picture and use a monochrome filter which just isn't the same.
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This means it can be fixed with an update.
Honor if you listen, please we want to use both cameras (one monochrome and one RGB)

I think a few 'trademark' features from Leica cameras are deliberately kept from the Honor 8, so as to keep Leica happy - which has extended its partnership arrangements (so look out for more in the Mate 9, P10 etc).
I am using my Honor 8 as my daily driver and not the P9, as the smart key, nicer look (subjectively speaking), virtually identical performance (often faster in my tests), more RAM, and more makes it the better all-rounder.
I do miss the smooth colours profile though.

I think the performance of both the Honor 8 and the P9's cameras are more or less the same. It's just that the Honor 8's cameras aren't Leica certified.

DarkGuyver said:
I think the performance of both the Honor 8 and the P9's cameras are more or less the same. It's just that the Honor 8's cameras aren't Leica certified.
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After going through all reviews, they are 100% identical, just no leica branding

Ok but can SOMEONE clearly explain these filters. Which give the best quality? There is "mono" "impact" and "ND". I am particularly interested of the difference between mono and ND? And as what ND stands for. On the Nokia 808pv ND is used to denote a neutral density filter. But these are used to compensate over exposure and thus allow less light on the sensor. I doubt that the nd setting in the honor 8 is the same.

PalakMi said:
This means it can be fixed with an update.
Honor if you listen, please we want to use both cameras (one monochrome and one RGB)
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Well, you are already using the both sensors, when you take a regular jpg picture. Honor 8's software will use the monochrome sensor to improve contrast and dynamic range in the image. Or if you use the "large aperture bokeh" mode. It's just that you have no access to the monochrome sensor image alone, which is useful only if you are interested in black&white photography (in which case you should buy P9). Sure, Honor could provide the same functionality in Honor 8, but they probably want to differentiate between P9 and Honor 8. Or it could be a licensing issue with Leica.

b1tt1 said:
Well, you are already using the both sensors, when you take a regular jpg picture. Honor 8's software will use the monochrome sensor to improve contrast and dynamic range in the image. Or if you use the "large aperture bokeh" mode. It's just that you have no access to the monochrome sensor image alone, which is useful only if you are interested in black&white photography (in which case you should buy P9). Sure, Honor could provide the same functionality in Honor 8, but they probably want to differentiate between P9 and Honor 8. Or it could be a licensing issue with Leica.
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Yeah I know, I meant giving us access to true monochrome mode (using the lens itself, and not a filter)

If you use Pro mode and lowers the saturation to -2, then the image quality of the black and whites is better than if you use the monochrome filter... It would've been interesting to see the difference between Honor 8's Pro-mode with low saturation and the P9'S monochrome mode.

Camera : 12 or 20mb ?

Hi
How have you set your camera ? 12 or 20mb ?
Thx

20mp

12MP RGB
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You can select 20 megapixel as the resolution for the rear cameras to shoot, it combines data from both cameras so you can shoot in color too at 20 MP. This can be changed however you like in the camera settings.
I know I searched the internet for this before I bought one because I wanted to be sure. Haha.

In low light better to use 12,cause at 20 mp the image get little bit blurry when mixing 2 images at low shutter speed.
Outdoor u wont be worry to use 20 all the time.
They set the default mp at 12 for a reason

jeradjohnso said:
You can select 20 megapixel as the resolution for the rear cameras to shoot, it combines data from both cameras so you can shoot in color too at 20 MP. This can be changed however you like in the camera settings.
I know I searched the internet for this before I bought one because I wanted to be sure. Haha.
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I know, but if you use 20MP, you can not zoom.

jeradjohnso said:
You can select 20 megapixel as the resolution for the rear cameras to shoot, it combines data from both cameras so you can shoot in color too at 20 MP. This can be changed however you like in the camera settings.
I know I searched the internet for this before I bought one because I wanted to be sure. Haha.
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A 12 mp sensor cannot shoot 20 mp images, that's impossible. The camera software can boost it to 20 mp though using info from the 20mp monochromatic sensor. Which gives a decent result I have to say!

I am no camera wiz, just a point to and shoot guy. Nor am I a photo conesour in terms of evaluating a good vs great photo. But, I can tell when a photo stinks. Mostly, I just want to set it and forget it and have the best all around chance at good, clear pics.
All that said, I set to 12 and 20 MP and damned if I can see a difference. And it is a very challenging light situation where I just tested (both, IMHO, show off the great camera in this phone). I am outside on patio near midnight, with only light being from a string of Christmas lights in background d an little ambient light from room inside and courtyard beyond the patio. Hard to tell any difference in these two pics. First is the 12 and second is the 20 .. HDR on for both, no zoom.
So what are the situations one would expect 12 to have advantage, same for 20, same for HDR verse flash?
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At any rate, contrary to some of the reviews, I think the camera a great with good lightning conditions and pretty good in darker conditions.

blackspp said:
At any rate, contrary to some of the reviews, I think the camera a great with good lightning conditions and pretty good in darker conditions.
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A lot of the early reviews were with the pre-release software although some have updated their reviews to reflect that.
I still hear that the camera has trouble with movement in low-light photos causing blurriness. Can anyone confirm that?

I am a photographer and I'm very impressed with my mate 9 camera.
I have used lot of phones but this one is the best by far.
If ur not happy with the auto mode just put it to pro mode and enjoy.

gm007 said:
I am a photographer and I'm very impressed with my mate 9 camera.
I have used lot of phones but this one is the best by far.
If ur not happy with the auto mode just put it to pro mode and enjoy.
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Indeed, mine is glued in that mode. Works wonders if you use it properly. Really great!

blackspp said:
A 12 mp sensor cannot shoot 20 mp images, that's impossible.
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Sure it can, it happens all the time. Let's say this were a conventional 12MP single sensor camera. Would you then be OK saying it can shoot 12MP images? Assuming it had a typical Bayer array color filter, that 12MP sensor really only has 6MP for green, 3MP for blue, and 3MP for red. It does not have 12m full color pixels. Yet that's what comes out of the camera, via interpolation. At least with the Mate 9, it can produce 20 MP of luminance data without interpolation. It's just the chroma data that is at a lower resolution and requires interpolation. But encoding images and videos with lower chroma resolution than luminance is extremely common, because our eyes have much less color resolving capability vs. b&w. See Chroma Subsampling.

dscline said:
Sure it can, it happens all the time. Let's say this were a conventional 12MP single sensor camera. Would you then be OK saying it can shoot 12MP images? Assuming it had a typical Bayer array color filter, that 12MP sensor really only has 6MP for green, 3MP for blue, and 3MP for red. It does not have 12m full color pixels. Yet that's what comes out of the camera, via interpolation. At least with the Mate 9, it can produce 20 MP of luminance data without interpolation. It's just the chroma data that is at a lower resolution and requires interpolation. But encoding images and videos with lower chroma resolution than luminance is extremely common, because our eyes have much less color resolving capability vs. b&w. See Chroma Subsampling.
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Sure, that's basically what I said. This sensor is 12mp (rgb sensor can be boosted to 20mp through interpolation, using the info (captured data) from the 20mp monochromatic sensor. Great results.

blackspp said:
Indeed, mine is glued in that mode. Works wonders if you use it properly. Really great!
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The photos are fantastic! To the best of your recollection, would you please share the settings you used in each one. Thanks!

Thats rather hard, I use pro mode and just fool around with aperature, speed and the rest until I'm happy. In auto mode I always point the camera around the subject until I like the lighting and than touch the screen on the point where I want to focus. That's it basically...

Those pic's look professional! Kudos

galaxys said:
Those pic's look professional! Kudos
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Of course they are. He's using pro mode!

mscion said:
Of course they are. He's using pro mode!
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Hahaha, yes I do. colleague of mine has this super Canon Mark III cam and he's totally not amused when I share some weekend pics on our whatsapp group. LOL

Selfie quality

You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the Honor 9 performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

selfies are great, adequate details plus descent dynamic range

Superb selfie quality. Got it to test and the photosmare outstanding.

My front camera is mediocre and i don't know why? Is it due to the B130 update? Look what a selfie look like, help me please this is ly first time using a honor device and i don't know if this is the real quality or my device has a problem, here 2 selfies one in daylight and the other indoor

venom007 said:
selfies are great, adequate details plus descent dynamic range
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Please can you post a selfie indoor and one in daylight so i can compere with mine , i think my front camera is really awful

Oh no! My instagram followers are going to know I bought a mid range phone..... Wish it had a 50megapixel selfie camera!
Sorry for the abuse... Turn off the portrait mode. Its the icon top centre when you switch to selfie mode. It over processes everything.

I also have to say that Selfie cam is pretty decent as long as I deactivate portrait modus and Bokeh effect. Beauty effect is ugly and Bokeh does not work seamless with background. Maybe there are some tricks but I guess it is only SW and will probably get optimized in further updates.

venom007 said:
selfies are great, adequate details plus descent dynamic range
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Docxsido said:
My front camera is mediocre and i don't know why? Is it due to the B130 update? Look what a selfie look like, help me please this is ly first time using a honor device and i don't know if this is the real quality or my device has a problem, here 2 selfies one in daylight and the other indoor
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zakiwashi said:
Oh no! My instagram followers are going to know I bought a mid range phone..... Wish it had a 50megapixel selfie camera!
Sorry for the abuse... Turn off the portrait mode. Its the icon top centre when you switch to selfie mode. It over processes everything.
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i turned off the portrait mode and the bokeh effect and still looks like a 2MP selfie even in daylight , i think it's a software problem

I know I am a relic but my first phone had a 0.3megapixel camera so its all good to me.
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Also, mine is from china, with the chinese rom removed and European rom installed. I haven't had the B130 update pushed to me yet. Think I will steer clear of it. After years of android phones, I have only found incremental updates to break features that were working just fine beforehand and in general, cause serious issues whilst fixing trivial ones.

Docxsido said:
i turned off the portrait mode and the bokeh effect and still looks like a 2MP selfie even in daylight , i think it's a software problem
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I think you got a point here.
With indoor lighting the selfie quality is quite terrible. I rarely take selfie so that doesn't bother me much.
P10 has a 1.9 aperture front camera which should produce a bit better selfie. Honor 9 on the other hand has a 2.0 aperture lens which should explain why it struggled under low lighting conditions.

Excellent selfies quality....

hassanjavaid8181 said:
Excellent selfies quality....
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Can you post an indoor selfie please? I think my front camera has a problem

Docxsido said:
Can you post an indoor selfie please? I think my front camera has a problem
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what problem you having with your camera?

hassanjavaid8181 said:
what problem you having with your camera?
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Blunt pictures with few details even in daylight. I've tried everything and still the same results. Few people are reporting the same problem. So i want to compare it to other selfies to see. I don't know if it's software or hardware related

Honor 9
Just like the Huawei P10, the Honor 9 features a dual camera setup, which consists of a 20MP monochrome sensor and a 12MP RGB one, each of these behind its own 27mm-equiv. f/2.2 aperture lens. There is also a dual-tone LED flash.This is the same camera setup we saw on the Huawei P10 and Mate 9, minus the Leica branding. This means you won't be getting the proprietary Vivid and Smooth film modes. Manual monochrome mode is not available just like on previous Honors - it is reserved only for the P series, but this is a silver lining we are happy to live with.
While the 20MP and 12MP resolutions don't match, the engineers have come up with an ingenious solution of how to use them and the snappers work just fine in the hybrid modes.
When you're shooting color, the Honor 9 blends the footage from the monochrome camera with the one from the RGB camera with the goal being, you guessed it, to produce better images. The high-res 20MP monochrome camera records luminance data as reportedly, that's where most of the fine detail is, while the lower-res 12MP camera provides the color to go with the detail. That way you can opt for 20MP color photos, a big leap from the 12MP default resolution.
In addition to the Variable Aperture effects, the Honor 9 camera supports Portrait Mode, which combines the Variable Aperture bokeh affect with Beautification, and should offer some nice Portrait shots with bokeh effects. The selfie snapper has been upgraded with f/2.0 lens, and while there isn't a second sensor, Huawei has found a way to create bokeh here as well.
Finally, Huawei introduces Live Photos with this new iteration of the Huawei camera app - it's a short 3s video taken shortly before you've hit the shutter, and it plays when you tap and hold on the image - no 3D Touch required.
The camera interface takes a bit of getting used to, as we've previously noted. There are two panes with options that can be evoked from the left and the right edge of the viewfinder. The left one brings forward the mode selector, while the menu coming from the right edge is the settings menu. The two panes don't just slide out with a simple swipe; you need to practically pull them through half the screen for them to stick, which doesn't always happen on the first try, particularly in landscape.

@mobilepriceshop, please stop. You're just copy pasting.

Selfies is a great quality, and looked nice!
8MP (3264X2448) 4:3 Max Quality

The Honor 9 takes some really high quality selfies. Just as good as the Honor 10.

Could this be the Official oneplus 6 specs ?

Oppomart listed the oneplus 6 with some amazing specs here: https://www.oppomart.com/oneplus-6-phone.html
Could these be the official specs of the upcoming OnePlus 6 ?

joosef93 said:
Oppomart listed the oneplus 6 with some amazing specs here: https://www.oppomart.com/oneplus-6-phone.html
Could these be the official specs of the upcoming OnePlus 6 ?
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From this website:
The all-new Oneplus 6 comes with a dual 20MP+16MP Sony camera sensors that work together when you take a shot. The standard RGB sensor captures color details and information, whereas the dedicated monochrome sensor provides a higher contrast, captures more light,and reduces image noise. So now shots taken with Oneplus 5T is clearer, better, and more vivid.
Note how it talks about the OnePlus 5T
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rav101 said:
From this website:
The all-new Oneplus 6 comes with a dual 20MP+16MP Sony camera sensors that work together when you take a shot. The standard RGB sensor captures color details and information, whereas the dedicated monochrome sensor provides a higher contrast, captures more light,and reduces image noise. So now shots taken with Oneplus 5T is clearer, better, and more vivid.
Note how it talks about the OnePlus 5T
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Except the fact that 5T doesn't have a monochrome sensor, it had a low light sensor IMX 376K which is BS and never proved to be good. The primary camera in 5T is Sony IMX 398 here it was mentioned as Sony IMX 518 So it maybe true since the R15 uses the same sensor. A monochrome or wide angle sensor is very much welcome than the telephoto sensor.

Ratheesh6 said:
Except the fact that 5T doesn't have a monochrome sensor, it had a low light sensor IMX 376K which is BS and never proved to be good. The primary camera in 5T is Sony IMX 398 here it was mentioned as Sony IMX 518 So it maybe true since the R15 uses the same sensor. A monochrome or wide angle sensor is very much welcome than the telephoto sensor.
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I will be honest and say I don't know too much about how different sensors come together (monochrome, telephoto, low light ect) to get the best photos.
I'm looking at a review of the R15 Pro and that also seems to have a 16mp main camera and 20mp secondary camera. On the R15 Pro the secondary camera is the same as the OnePlus 5T which might not bode well for the OP6. The review I'm reading (GSM arena) does however say that the camera, selfie camera (a 20mp one) are pros of the R15 Pro but does say the 20mp secondary camera is mostly PR and that 1080p videos are pretty aweful.
It looks like the OP6 will have a vertical configuration for the cameras where the R15 Pro uses a horizontal configuration. I believe based on the recently released camera samples, they are talking about the secondary camera being a telephoto one so the setup might be slightly different to the R15 Pro. Lastly, the camera app itself is different between Oppo and OnePlus so let's hope all of these potential differences add up to a better camera experience than the R15 Pro which itself isn't supposed to be a bad camera setup anyway.
I think ultimately, we aren't going to be getting 960fps slow mo videos or a camera setup that will come anywhere close to the Huawei P20 Pro but maybe it will be good enough to be in the pack getting to call themselves "good camera".
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Is the camera of the P20 mostly a downgrade from the P10 PLUS?

Talking about the P20, NOT PRO.
On paper, the specs are very similar. If anything the P10 Plus has more camera features likeOIS.
I can upgrade my P10 Plus to a P20 for free but doesn't seem to be much of an upgrade?
The P10 Plus is plenty fast still. And I care about the MAIN camera more.
Please help me decide.
From Huawei.com:
P20
Main Camera
Dual-lens camera:
12 MP (RGB, f/1.8 aperture) + 20 MP (Monochrome, f/1.6 aperture)
supports autofocus (laser focus, deep focus, phase focus, contrast focus)
Note: The photo pixels may vary depending on the shooting mode.
This Note also worries me...the P10 Plus page doesn't have this Note.
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P10 Plus
Main Camera
20 MP Monochrome + 12 MP RGB, F1.8 (So I take it that both cameras are F1.8)
OIS (Optical Image Stabilization)
Dual-tone Flash
PDAF + CAF + Laser + Depth Auto Focus (same)
2x Hybrid Zoom
4K Video Recording
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So from this, it is the very same 12 MP RGB camera?
The difference is that the BW camera has a smaller aperture. 1.8->1.6.
And does not have:
OIS (Optical Image Stabilization)
Dual-tone Flash
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Whats more in Geekbench 4 the P10 Plus trounces the P20 in single and multicore performance. I have both phones right now (update) and in GB4, MY P10 Plus has higher scores. I know what it says on websites 960 vs 970 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Kirin-960-vs-Kirin-970_8366_9236.247596.0.html. Marginal improvement on paper of 1-10% but in the case of P20 and P10 Plus, the P10 Plus, maybe its higher clocked than default, is the winner by a lot.
So I'm confused, I gravitated towards Huawei because of the camera but they're pretty lazy in terms of CPU performance unlike Snapdragon increments are night and day. I don't care about CPU per say but it would be NICE if the 970 is a significant upgrade over the 960, which it's not.
https://consumer.huawei.com/ca/phones/p20/specs/
https://consumer.huawei.com/ca/phones/p10-plus/specs/

P20 has bigger sensor and it does have laser Focus as well, so it is upgrade

Can you reference this?
Also the P10 Plus has ALL the same focus mechanism the P20 has. Please see the Op.