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Let me start by saying the Diztronic TPU is amazing and absolutely perfect in every way, except one. The top and bottom chrome bezel are getting scratched by the sharp edges of the case. It's not from dirt and dust or just rubber marks, they're actual little scratches. I'm looking to buy one of the "S-Line" cases (on amazon because I have gift card credit). Others have mentioned that the edge is not as sharp on these and I do not mind the buttons being harder to press. Are the i-Blason and Cimo brands essentially the same or what? The i-Blason looks a little more refined and is rated better. Thanks!
edit: forgot, I have an Ionic guardian and it's great as well, but just too pocket sticky for me. Definitely is great protection though.
The bezel is so weak it even scratches by sliding the phone in and out of your pocket. So, not a big deal imho!
My Diztronic case hasn't scratched my bezel? lol
FatalityBoyZahy said:
My Diztronic case hasn't scratched my bezel? lol
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I've read threads of many other people complaining about the same issue. Even the Diztronic store on amazon has complaints of it. I remember having this issue with their cases on my Galaxy Nexus as well.
If your bezel isn't scratched yet, consider yourself lucky.
However, aside from that the Diztronic is the most solid TPU case you will find.
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Let me start by saying the Diztronic TPU is amazing and absolutely perfect in every way, except one. The top and bottom chrome bezel are getting scratched by the sharp edges of the case. It's not from dirt and dust or just rubber marks, they're actual little scratches. I'm looking to buy one of the "S-Line" cases (on amazon because I have gift card credit). Others have mentioned that the edge is not as sharp on these and I do not mind the buttons being harder to press. Are the i-Blason and Cimo brands essentially the same or what? The i-Blason looks a little more refined and is rated better. Thanks!
edit: forgot, I have an Ionic guardian and it's great as well, but just too pocket sticky for me. Definitely is great protection though.
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This case will not actually scratch the phone, but dirt and dust will.
BravoMotorola said:
This case will not actually scratch the phone, but dirt and dust will.
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I disagree, my phone simply does not get exposed to dirt or sand that would scratch. Take of the case and rub your finger just inside the top and bottom inside edge of it. It's fairly sharp for TPU
TPU is just plastic, it won't scratch other plastic. That would be a horrible feature for a case lol.
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I disagree, my phone simply does not get exposed to dirt or sand that would scratch. Take of the case and rub your finger just inside the top and bottom inside edge of it. It's fairly sharp for TPU
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Feels like any other case? lol
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i have both diztronic and i-blason.
i like the diztronic better. the i-blason is softer but it fits loose. diztronic fits like a glove. you will get more dirt/grit/crap between your phone and the i-blason case due to its fitment.
from all the phones ive owned with a shiney bezel, they all get micro scratches on them. theres no avoiding it unless you get a full body cover like xoskin/xtremeguard/bodyarmors/etc that covers the bezel. just use your phone as intended. any cases will get crap trap between your phone and case. just be sure to take it off regularly to clean it out.
I have the diztronic case on my n4 and the quality and fit is outstanding. I bought it off eBay and had it shipped to the UK from the States and it was still cheaper by a long shot than anything available here in the UK.
I use it with an invisible shield front and back protector and although it was fiddly getting it on and making sure the screen protector didn't lift, its now on and I have no lift at all.
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AW: Diztronic vs i-Blason vs Cimo TPU cases
I can too say that diztronic is the best tpu out there.
Because different types of plastic can't have different levels of hardness and different surface finishes (like polished chrome plastic) aren't more vulnerable to scuffing. Yes, they're really small fine scratches but they're there and I wasn't expecting them.
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I have a Diztronic case and the fit is prefect. No scratching at all. The only issue I have is the screen protector lifts when the case goes on or off. The film is centered well just for some reason always snags a bit on the bottom corners.
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is there really a difference between a 1$ TPU case and all the other ones ? I thought they were all made in the same factory...
Since the S6 is very slippery but very good looking because of the glass, do you use a case because you want to be safe or do you use a skin to retain the phones thin body or you prefer it naked without anything on and around it?
Skin and Case! :good:
Definitely a case with shock absorbing properties. I'm not spending close to a grand on a glass encased phone just so it can have cracks on it.
I think the phone is gorgeous, but use a Verus aluminum bumper in order to get low drop protection and camera protection while keeping the phone mostly original looking. If it weren't for the protruding camera, I've consider carrying the phone bare. (Though I would be concerned with slippage.)
For comparison, I didn't hate the looks the of the S4, but I wasn't thrilled with them either so I put a Spigen Neo Hybrid on, which gave it a look that I liked more, while still looking like a phone and not a case. (Most people I showed my S4 to loved it and didn't realize it was a case.)
I think it's interesting that you bring this up because I asked a similar question in the "show us your case" thread, and people took offense to what I was asking. My basic question was "Do you use big UAG/Otterbox cases merely for protection, or do you prefer the look over the look of the bare phone." I guess I worded it poorly, as I mostly got defensiveness of case choices. Hopefully your thread gets better responses.
(In my photo below, the difference in screen glare and body color is only from a difference in lighting - I used different setups on different days and didn't match the screen lighting. There is no "glare" from the Verus case.)
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Spigen backless silver satin bumper
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naked is not a good idea.
friend dropped the phone and completely shattered the screen and created a spider web
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naked is not a good idea. friend dropped the phone and completely shattered the screen and created a spider web
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(Sounds to me like dropping the phone is a bad idea. )
That would be the risk to not having a potentially unsightly case.
Case + skin. case to protect from falls and skin to protect from scratches
Got both the uag maverick and ash case, prefer the ash on my sapphire black s6, and the maverick on a white s6 both look crazy awesome tho
I use a Dbrand skin and tempered glass screen protector in normal days. Just bought a spigen rugged armour as I'm gonna go on a 3 day camp and I don't wanna risk breaking it.
The dbrand skin should suffice for everyday use. It protects the rear glass from cracking if I ever drop it. And the tempered glass helps with the front glass. The only thing that is unprotected in the event of a drop is my sides.
It's your choice, do you like the feel of the S6 naked? Or would you rather have a cheap piece of TPU protecting it?
Also, if you choose to go naked/skin, the chamfered edges of the aluminium is very soft so it scratches rather easily. You can get a metal bumper to help with drop and impact protection on the sides.
Case. I would consider a skin, but the extra protection is nice. No way I'm carrying this phone naked. Then again, I never carry phones naked anyway.
Dbrand black leather skin on the back, otherwise naked. I hate cases, I'd rather pay for insurance and deductible for replacement than compromise the look and feel of a phone I like.
I just use screen guard both sides it looks and feels good
I had an iron shield on it but removed it about a week ago because the aluminum bumper was killing my GPS signal. Somehow in that week time I got a scratch on my screen. Make sure to put a screen protector on too!
Going naked. I did not pay $650+ to put this in a $5 case. I want to enjoy the phone as it was meant to be. I only have a tampered glass on top and that's good enough for me.
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Have a skin - slickwrap at the back, a case and a tempered glass on front.
Rhinoshield bumper for me with screen protectors on both front and back
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Skin and Case! :good:
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Brand skin with Rhino Shield bumpers
im using melkco italian cowhide leather herman series case , prefer using genuine leather case for my protection rather than back cover case or softcase, anyone fans from using genuine leather case maybe can sharing to me?:good:
Hi, which otterbox series case would you recommend for Note 4? Commuter or defender series?
Is there any difference other than defender series having built-in screen protector and holster?
Does the commuter series have exact same lip protection as defender?
I don't know which one to buy. Help me out here, thank you!
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Hi, which otterbox series case would you recommend for Note 4? Commuter or defender series?
Is there any difference other than defender series having built-in screen protector and holster?
Does the commuter series have exact same lip protection as defender?
I don't know which one to buy. Help me out here, thank you!
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I think both forum members arjun90 & felloffthetruck have both cases so private messaging them would be a good idea.
I have the Defender & I think it's a little more protective than the Commuter but I think most would consider the Commuter a highly protective case. The Defender also has a holster w/beltclip which has a kickstand for upright landscape viewing so if either a holster or a kickstand are considerations you'd want the Defender.
If you do get the Defender you need to remove the screen protector & install something else for clarity & to prevent the dirt buildup between the screen & the protector that enters from the home button. Also if you're buying it online make certain you either buy from Otterbox directly or Amazon directly (not a 3rd party Amazon reseller) because Otterbox counterfeiting is rampant.
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I think both forum members arjun90 & felloffthetruck have both cases so private messaging them would be a good idea.
I have the Defender & I think it's a little more protective than the Commuter but I think most would consider the Commuter a highly protective case. The Defender also has a holster w/beltclip which has a kickstand for upright landscape viewing so if either a holster or a kickstand are considerations you'd want the Defender.
If you do get the Defender you need to remove the screen protector & install something else for clarity & to prevent the dirt buildup between the screen & the protector that enters from the home button. Also if you're buying it online make certain you either buy from Otterbox directly or Amazon directly (not a 3rd party Amazon reseller) because Otterbox counterfeiting is rampant.
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Thank you. I'm not interested into kickstand or holster. Just highly protective case.
I think the best case for the Note 4 is the Commuter. It has a soft silicone liner that won't scratch the painted sides of the Note 4.
The Defender left wear marks on the painted sides of my white Note 4. You can't go wrong with the Commuter.
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I think the best case for the Note 4 is the Commuter. It has a soft silicone liner that won't scratch the painted sides of the Note 4.
The Defender left wear marks on the painted sides of my white Note 4. You can't go wrong with the Commuter.
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Do they have same lip protection?
I believe they do, except the defender covers up more of the phones top portion i.e. around the front facing camera and proximity sensor. I love the protection of the defender but not being able to see the little bit of my white note 4 thats covered with the defender opposed to the commuter upsets me. I will probably be picking the commuter up for this reason myself.
Any one have a recommended tempered glass SP for the commuter?
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Any one have a recommended tempered glass SP for the commuter?
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I'm still using the Otterbox Alpha glass with the Commuter and it's working fine.
mty msi said:
I think both forum members arjun90 & felloffthetruck have both cases so private messaging them would be a good idea.
I have the Defender & I think it's a little more protective than the Commuter but I think most would consider the Commuter a highly protective case. The Defender also has a holster w/beltclip which has a kickstand for upright landscape viewing so if either a holster or a kickstand are considerations you'd want the Defender.
If you do get the Defender you need to remove the screen protector & install something else for clarity & to prevent the dirt buildup between the screen & the protector that enters from the home button. Also if you're buying it online make certain you either buy from Otterbox directly or Amazon directly (not a 3rd party Amazon reseller) because Otterbox counterfeiting is rampant.
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I ordered the Otterbox Defender series, but how do I remove the screen protector? Do I just peel it off or do I have to do anything special before peeling it off? Thank you.
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I ordered the Otterbox Defender series, but how do I remove the screen protector? Do I just peel it off or do I have to do anything special before peeling it off? Thank you.
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You use a hairdryer (around the perimeter of the protector) to heat up the glue that holds the plastic protector in place & it comes right off.
Personally I prefer the Symmetry to either.
It's not as bulky as the defender, but it's also a tighter and stiffer fit than the commuter which wears out over time.
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Personally I prefer the Symmetry to either.
It's not as bulky as the defender, but it's also a tighter and stiffer fit than the commuter which wears out over time.
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No port covers though.
If you go with the commuter at any time I suggest getting some grip tape (Like the stuff they use on ladders or wooden stairs) from your local hardware store (I got it at Home Depot) and cutting two small strips for the side (Along the hard plastic) for added grip. This has been working very well for me and adds a nice firm grip to the phone, It does not interfere with MY POCKETS as the only place I applied the tape to was on the sides. I also don't wear tight jeans or shorts so its easier to remove for me then it might be for some.
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I ordered the Otterbox Defender series, but how do I remove the screen protector? Do I just peel it off or do I have to do anything special before peeling it off? Thank you.
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I pushed it out with my thumbs. It wasn't difficult at all to take out. Most of the adhesive comes off with the crappy built in. Whatever was left, I just rubbed off.
I will probably be picking the commuter up for this reason myself.
Not only is the Commuter a bit cheaper, but the soft lining's on the inside (easier on that scratchable metal bezel!) and it's really easy to take on and off, which I find important for Gear VR use and just being able to make use of the removable battery and microSD slots in a timely manner. It also has port covers to keep the dust out of the headphone jack and microUSB, though the S-Pen silo remains uncovered.
The Defender's a pain to get in and out of, and the main added expense over the Commuter-the built-in screen protector-is a pretty lousy one when you're used to tempered glass directly on the screen.
It's funny how the cheaper and supposedly lower-end case is what I find to be the superior option by far, really. The only thing the Defender has over the Commuter - the belt holster - isn't something I use since my pants pockets are plenty adequate for the Note 4 as is.
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Not only is the Commuter a bit cheaper, but the soft lining's on the inside (easier on that scratchable metal bezel!) and it's really easy to take on and off, which I find important for Gear VR use and just being able to make use of the removable battery and microSD slots in a timely manner. It also has port covers to keep the dust out of the headphone jack and microUSB, though the S-Pen silo remains uncovered.
The Defender's a pain to get in and out of, and the main added expense over the Commuter-the built-in screen protector-is a pretty lousy one when you're used to tempered glass directly on the screen.
It's funny how the cheaper and supposedly lower-end case is what I find to be the superior option by far, really. The only thing the Defender has over the Commuter - the belt holster - isn't something I use since my pants pockets are plenty adequate for the Note 4 as is.
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If I'm not mistaken the Defender is a more rugged case than the Commuter although the Commuter is still a rugged case. I may be wrong but I don't think the Commuter is the Defender minus the junk plastic screen protector & the holster.
Removing the Defender's built in screen protector is very easy. I don't know why Otterbox doesn't offer a version of it w/o the plastic screen protector especially considering they sell a hard plastic screen protector.
The scratching of the metal bezel by the Defender is an issue only reported by a few users, the vast majority incl myself have not had this problem.
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If I'm not mistaken the Defender is a more rugged case than the Commuter although the Commuter is still a rugged case. I may be wrong but I don't think the Commuter is the Defender minus the junk plastic screen protector & the holster.
Removing the Defender's built in screen protector is very easy. I don't know why Otterbox doesn't offer a version of it w/o the plastic screen protector especially considering they sell a hard plastic screen protector.
The scratching of the metal bezel by the Defender is an issue only reported by a few users, the vast majority incl myself have not had this problem.
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You're exactly right, on all counts I have both the defender and commuter. The defender is slightly larger/bulkier but is also a little more rugged than the commuter. Overall both cases protect very well though, and neither has scratched my phone. I removed tbe plastic screen protector on the Otterbox too, it was terrible lol. Both cases work for me with tempered glass (tried the Inskin Glass, Zagg Glass, Moshi iVisor, and Otterbox Alpha Glass). The Commuter comes off quicker than the Defender does, although the port flaps fit a little better on the Defender.
Looking into buying a case tonight. Any takers?
Before you read lol this is overkill but Decided to go with tempered glass from Pleson. I've used them before on my Moto X '15 no problems!
Going to see how the tempered glass and clear case work out!
I'm going to give the protector a try only because I want to have a glass screen to slide my finger on. Plus, who needs to worry about scratches, right? I think it'll work out well because the screen seems flat. I'm still deciding if I'm going to get a case or not.
A glass screen protector is a really good idea to improve the feel. I'd try to get away with just a bumper for a case. Full disclosure, I played with them at Verizon yesterday but I don't have one.
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Purchased an Otterbox Defender case. I needed tough case and didn't have any experience with heavy duty cases other than Supcase's Unicorn Beetle, Otterbox's Defender, and Trident Case's Kraken. Supcase has one for preorder and I doubt the Trident will release a Kraken case for the Moto Z Droid.
The Defender is what I expected; A durable inside case surrounded by a softer shell. Had the same terrible plastic screen protector as every other Otterbox case. Popped it off the case, removed the adhesive with the edge of a blade.; With a tempered glass screen on the phone itself the fit is a bit snug, but the inner case still closes and everything still lines up correctly so everything is good on that end. What I didn't expect is the belt carrier is actually decent; the phone can attach in every orientation (face up/down, rotated 180 degrees about the face). It adds a bit of bulk, but I will gladly take it over a simple shell or soft case.
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Before you read lol this is overkill but Decided to go with tempered glass from Pleson. I've used them before on my Moto X '15 no problems!
Going to see how the tempered glass and clear case work out!
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How did these work out for you??
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How did these work out for you??
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Dudee they just came today and the Pleson Case fits perfectly like a glove! You cannot use the case with the included removeable wood plate. The Pleson tempered glass is a perfect fit! Now I'm looking for a bumper that allows Moto Mods.
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Purchased an Otterbox Defender case. I needed tough case and didn't have any experience with heavy duty cases other than Supcase's Unicorn Beetle, Otterbox's Defender, and Trident Case's Kraken. Supcase has one for preorder and I doubt the Trident will release a Kraken case for the Moto Z Droid.
The Defender is what I expected; A durable inside case surrounded by a softer shell. Had the same terrible plastic screen protector as every other Otterbox case. Popped it off the case, removed the adhesive with the edge of a blade.; With a tempered glass screen on the phone itself the fit is a bit snug, but the inner case still closes and everything still lines up correctly so everything is good on that end. What I didn't expect is the belt carrier is actually decent; the phone can attach in every orientation (face up/down, rotated 180 degrees about the face). It adds a bit of bulk, but I will gladly take it over a simple shell or soft case.
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That sounds amazing I'll try that Otterbox Case as well. I expect added bulk but is it overbearingly weighty?
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Dudee they just came today and the Pleson Case fits perfectly like a glove! You cannot use the case with the included removeable wood plate. The Pleson tempered glass is a perfect fit! Now I'm looking for a bumper that allows Moto Mods.
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Awesome. Is the bumper pretty low-profile? Damn, I thought it might make the Style Shell not usable, bummer. Let us know if you find a case that will accommodate the shell/mods! Can you post pics of the bumper/screen protector? Would love to see real-world pics.
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Awesome. Is the bumper pretty low-profile? Damn, I thought it might make the Style Shell not usable, bummer. Let us know if you find a case that will accommodate the shell/mods! Can you post pics of the bumper/screen protector? Would love to see real-world pics.
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The case i purchased in the above photos is a clear case bro! Feels pretty nice in hand too. And when i find a moto mod bumper case I'm definitely post pics ASAP. Even a video
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The case i purchased in the above photos is a clear case bro! Feels pretty nice in hand too. And when i find a moto mod bumper case I'm definitely post pics ASAP. Even a video
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Only one I've found so far that works with mods is one of the official ones from VZW. Appears to be pretty similar to the rest of the bumper cases out there, but twice the price:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/two-tone-bumper-for-moto-z-force-droid-edition
masterjay21 said:
Before you read lol this is overkill but Decided to go with tempered glass from Pleson. I've used them before on my Moto X '15 no problems!
Going to see how the tempered glass and clear case work out!
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Was about to order this exact set up. Questions:
1) The case is all clear right? The pics make it look like the sides are rose gold.
2) Any issues installing the screen protector? I've never had a glass and the reviews say that its prone to bubbles.
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Was about to order this exact set up. Questions:
1) The case is all clear right? The pics make it look like the sides are rose gold.
2) Any issues installing the screen protector? I've never had a glass and the reviews say that its prone to bubbles.
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No problems it had bubbles but i forced them out.
And glass is the best new craze bro! It's worth it trust me! This screen can crack ice seen it better the tempered glass than a scratched screen.
The Case is all clear like water.
https://dbrand.com/shop/moto-z-force getting this and tempered glass.
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Driosenth said:
Purchased an Otterbox Defender case. I needed tough case and didn't have any experience with heavy duty cases other than Supcase's Unicorn Beetle, Otterbox's Defender, and Trident Case's Kraken. Supcase has one for preorder and I doubt the Trident will release a Kraken case for the Moto Z Droid.
The Defender is what I expected; A durable inside case surrounded by a softer shell. Had the same terrible plastic screen protector as every other Otterbox case. Popped it off the case, removed the adhesive with the edge of a blade.; With a tempered glass screen on the phone itself the fit is a bit snug, but the inner case still closes and everything still lines up correctly so everything is good on that end. What I didn't expect is the belt carrier is actually decent; the phone can attach in every orientation (face up/down, rotated 180 degrees about the face). It adds a bit of bulk, but I will gladly take it over a simple shell or soft case.
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Mine arrives Tomorrow
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I got this pair:
Screen Protector: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01K1D37OG
Case: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01JH36W98
Both fit and feel like they came from the factory. Very satisfied with both so far. I'll likely also get VZW's bumper "case" for when I'm carrying it around with mods.
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After more reading on Verizon's bumper I think I'll hold off until someone else makes a decent mod compatible case.
Just pre ordered this https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01HP44TUK/ref=ya_st_dp_summary
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I use the cimo tpu case. It's cheap, durable, and stylish.
Apparently I can't post links from the labs app, but it's easy to find on Amazon.
I posted a more complete review in it's own thread, but for belt clip holster types...
Good: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H2K0M58/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (Great fit with the Incipio Battery Pack on the phone)
Bad: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HCN4PB2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Too long... AGOZ one listed above it perfect length for a naked phone at almost exactly 6 inches of internal length (~15.5 cm). The MND, on the other hand, is about 6.75 inches in length (16.75 cm)... the naked phone swims in that much length.
Moto Z Force Droid Case Hard Back Bumper Hybrid Slim Cover
Found this case on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/351813033892?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
I've been using the Armadillotek case for my Note 9 for a couple weeks now. I really like the case overall but decided to switch back to my Defender for now.
First, the built in screen protector doesn't quit sit totally flush because of teh curved glass. This causes it to have a tiny bit of air gap which dust and dirt gets underneath and drives me nuts, plus with the Kickstand it leave the phone exposes a but when you use it allowing dirt to get in there.
Also, the sides of this case are raised which is great! gives more protection but also allows dirt and grime to collect on the sides.
I really like the case and eventually might just rip the protector out. I might try the Poetic Revolution and Supcase Unicorn Beetle out but I'm sure the screen protector will be crappy too and I'll just rip it out.
I can see why Otterbox ditched the built in protector for the curved phones.
They tried it with the S7 Edge. With the S7 edge it fit VERY snug to the phone so no dirt got under it BUT screen responsiveness was atrocious with it. Just terrible.
I might order the orange Armadillo because I like the color but for sure will rip the protector out on one of them and save the other for when I want a screen protector in certain situations.
I ripped the screen protector out as well. Very easy to take off and makes it perfect for me.
I ripped off the screen as well, worth it. I have the white glass dome on my phone, gives me protection already.
Thing I don't like about Armadillotek and "tough" cases like them is that too often their designs are so gaudy. That's why I like the Commuter (and even Defender). They're mature-looking. Pretty understated. Low-key, kinds of cases.
Thanks for the information...
I just simply rip off the plastic protector, and install tempered glass one.
Now I can it tough
I like the defender but I hate the holster. I've used the seidio surface holster for years now and it's far superior IMO. Wish I could find a holster like the surface one for the defender.