I'm in the process of deciding whether I get the Inspire or wait for the Infuse. I'm new to smart phones, but been reading a ton.
My question; is the 4 GB on the Inspire sufficient for the numerous apps I am likely to put on it? I think I've read about apps that let you place apps on the mSD. Is this even a concern I need to worry about?
Thanks for the help. Searched the forum and didn't see this addressed. Probably means it's a dumb question. I'm trying to get smart
Unless your going to have a couple hundred apps you shouldnt really worry to much.
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I've downloaded plenty of apps and never even gotten close to using up the internal memory. I move what I can to the SD card, usually (it's not hard to do, and it's a feature built into the phone now).
Ditto, you'd have to work pretty hard to fill up that space, most programs are pretty small. But remember that many applications now support the A2SD function, so in the unlikely event that you start running out of room, moving them to your SD card is an option. I notice very little performance difference between apps on the card and apps run internally.
Hey Guys,
I finally got my phone to work at a decent speed. Here are the things I did:
1. Used Apps2SD to move the apps from internal storage to SD Card. Wondering why this helped? As far as I understand the apps are run in RAM and internal storage is used for storing data and apks etc. RAM is freed up by Android as and when needed but freeing up internal storage doesn't give android more RAM.
2. Use Autorun Manager to prevent some apps from starting up and remaining in memory. Now this I understand because this gives more RAM to android and avoids unnecessary swapping when applications are started up.
3. Used 'SD Booster' to increase sd cache size to 8192Kb. This gave some initial benefits but later on it became very slow as usual.
Bottom line is I am still puzzled by Android memory and SD card management. I am pretty sure though process swapping in and out of memory is what caused my phone to slow down. My Samsung Droid Charge is supposed to have 512MB of RAM but most memory managers show only 374MB and 2 GB of internal storage and most tools show only 1.2GB. Why would this be? Am I missing something or should I use a different tool to analyze my memory.
Not sure about RAM but usually when u buy a hard drive the bigger the hard drive the lower the actual number of gigs. Maybe it is actually 1.2GB
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1. This one must be a placebo effect because if anything moving apps to sd card will make the phone slower. Our internal memory has way higher i/o speeds (especially on ext4) than the measly class 2 sd.
2. This is usually not a good idea. The processes you "block" will actually still run but they will be insta-killed. They will keep trying to start up and will drain the battery.
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1. This one must be a placebo effect because if anything moving apps to sd card will make the phone slower. Our internal memory has way higher i/o speeds (especially on ext4) than the measly class 2 sd.
2. This is usually not a good idea. The processes you "block" will actually still run but they will be insta-killed. They will keep trying to start up and will drain the battery.
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Thats what I thought. Im no guru, but out of all the reading Ive done, they have all said that moving apps from the sdcard to internal speeds up things.
Im looking at ways to speed up my wife's droid charge. Shes been complaining about it and finally gave me the go on rooting and maybee ROMing. I would like to stick to stock if possible so she wont run into any problems but if I have to I will install a custom rom. Any links?
Nope this is no placebo effect. The phone has become very fast. There are several posts that say that moving the apps to sd card speeds up the phone. In fact of all the things this is what sped up my phone the most. Why else would app2sd be so popular? Read #4 on http://www.talkandroid.com/guides/b...lean-up-and-speed-up-your-android-smartphone/ .
To further speed up my phone I am trying to overclock. My phone is stable at 1.2GHz but at 1.3 GHz it reboots after some time. To make it stable at 1.3GHz should I increase the voltage at that frequency?
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Nope this is no placebo effect. The phone has become very fast. There are several posts that say that moving the apps to sd card speeds up the phone. In fact of all the things this is what sped up my phone the most. Why else would app2sd be so popular? Read #4 on http://www.talkandroid.com/guides/b...lean-up-and-speed-up-your-android-smartphone/ .
To further speed up my phone I am trying to overclock. My phone is stable at 1.2GHz but at 1.3 GHz it reboots after some time. To make it stable at 1.3GHz should I increase the voltage at that frequency?
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Read it again. That's only about getting extra app space on smaller-storage devices. They actually recommend against moving things you use frequently in your linked article.
I'm with the others. Any gains you're seeing from this are placebo. There's nothing inherently faster about external storage.
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Hey Guys,
My Samsung Droid Charge is supposed to have 512MB of RAM but most memory managers show only 374MB and 2 GB of internal storage and most tools show only 1.2GB. Why would this be? Am I missing something or should I use a different tool to analyze my memory.
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It has a total of 512MB RAM, and that is for everything, so the GPU and other such things have to take their share from the total pool. On the GB releases, that leaves us with 374MB. It's better than it used to be. On the Froyo releases, we only had 327MB to work with.
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Not sure about RAM but usually when u buy a hard drive the bigger the hard drive the lower the actual number of gigs. Maybe it is actually 1.2GB
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No, on a hard drive (or solid state drives or even SD/memory cards), what you buy is what you get. However, due to formatting, space reserved for backup/spare sectors, and what is considered a "gigabyte" to manufacturers vs consumers (1000 mb vs 1024 mb) you often end up with around 95% (probably off on that percentage) of the stated capacity. With RAM this is not the case, as that type of memory doesn't need formatting as its holding raw data with the computer making up its structure. And manufacturers of RAM are in agreement with consumers as to what a gig is.
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Not sure about RAM but usually when u buy a hard drive the bigger the hard drive the lower the actual number of gigs. Maybe it is actually 1.2GB
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This is the difference between a gigabyte and a gibibyte. Hard drives are usually advertised in gigabytes (literally 1 billion bytes), while most OSes use gibibytes (2^30 bytes, or 1,073,741,824 bytes), since they do everything in "base 2", or binary. So an advertised 10GB hard drive has 10 billion bytes. Once you format the drive, the OS reports size in gibibytes, so you end up with:
Code:
10,000,000,000 / 1,073,741,824 = ~9.31GiB
That's also why if you look on most hard drive packages, it says "formatted size may be different than advertised size" or something similar.
Just a random fact of the day. Feel free to ignore it.
On topic: I don't believe the giga/gibi (or in the case of phone RAM, mega/mebi) is the issue. 512MB converted to mebibytes is roughly 488MiB. I believe the Charge is a 512MB device with some of that memory reserved for OS/system-only purposes. I could be wrong on that, however, so if anyone could clarify that'd be great.
Edit: Could have sworn I read through all of the replies before replying myself. I guess I didn't because multiple people beat me on both points by a day. Sorry about that duplicate info.
Cilraaz, let's just say you compiled both answers into a single post...
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The number one lesson I learned from buying this phone
Check the amount of run time memory before you buy a phone, especially if you have two companies like Verizon and Samsung loading bloatware. You were forced to root the phone and rid yourself of the bloatware, or not buy apps. I totally agree with the OP. He is 100% correct about the run time memory.
So I restored back to factory to get ready for another root. After the required Verizon and Samsung updates, hitting the clear memory button, I'm using 268MB of 373MB. Now I know the OS can swap, (because we love paging), but it really is ridiculous. I can't wait until March. Good luck everyone.
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Check the amount of run time memory before you buy a phone, especially if you have two companies like Verizon and Samsung loading bloatware. You were forced to root the phone and rid yourself of the bloatware, or not buy apps. I totally agree with the OP. He is 100% correct about the run time memory.
So I restored back to factory to get ready for another root. After the required Verizon and Samsung updates, hitting the clear memory button, I'm using 268MB of 373MB. Now I know the OS can swap, (because we love paging), but it really is ridiculous. I can't wait until March. Good luck everyone.
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I couldn't understand what you are saying here. From what I understand you are saying that is that when you rooted your phone you had 512MB of memory but after you installed Verizon and Samsung updates it started saying you had 373MB. So is it that Samsung and Verizon updates are taking away about 147 MB of memory? What is going to happen in March?
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I couldn't understand what you are saying here. From what I understand you are saying that is that when you rooted your phone you had 512MB of memory but after you installed Verizon and Samsung updates it started saying you had 373MB. So is it that Samsung and Verizon updates are taking away about 147 MB of memory? What is going to happen in March?
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No. Hardware wise the Charge has a total of 512 mb of RAM. The GPU and other hardware have to take from that pool, and the end result is that the Android OS has 373 MB of RAM to use. Verizon and Samsung bloatware and updates have no control over the hardware aspect, but the bloatware DOES utilize some ram while the phone is running (but does not take from that pool). March is probably when his upgrade is.
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Hey Guys,
I finally got my phone to work at a decent speed. Here are the things I did:
1. Used Apps2SD to move the apps from internal storage to SD Card. Wondering why this helped? As far as I understand the apps are run in RAM and internal storage is used for storing data and apks etc. RAM is freed up by Android as and when needed but freeing up internal storage doesn't give android more RAM.
2. Use Autorun Manager to prevent some apps from starting up and remaining in memory. Now this I understand because this gives more RAM to android and avoids unnecessary swapping when applications are started up.
3. Used 'SD Booster' to increase sd cache size to 8192Kb. This gave some initial benefits but later on it became very slow as usual.
Bottom line is I am still puzzled by Android memory and SD card management. I am pretty sure though process swapping in and out of memory is what caused my phone to slow down. My Samsung Droid Charge is supposed to have 512MB of RAM but most memory managers show only 374MB and 2 GB of internal storage and most tools show only 1.2GB. Why would this be? Am I missing something or should I use a different tool to analyze my memory.
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What rom are you using? My son went swimming with his fascinate and I'm in the process of reviving my dc. I have compiled a few odds and ends and am mostly concerned about speed as well.
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What rom are you using? My son went swimming with his fascinate and I'm in the process of reviving my dc. I have compiled a few odds and ends and am mostly concerned about speed as well.
texbuck
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I am using Eclipse 1.4 with PBJ.
Ok so I can clearly see that my phone is becoming slow again. Not sure as to what it is related to. Though one thing that surprises me is that I overclocked the CPU to 1.2 GHz and set the governor as 'conservative' and sometimes even ' smartassv2' but it changes to 'ondemand' even though I never changed it to that value. Why is this happening?
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Ok so I can clearly see that my phone is becoming slow again. Not sure as to what it is related to. Though one thing that surprises me is that I overclocked the CPU to 1.2 GHz and set the governor as 'conservative' and sometimes even ' smartassv2' but it changes to 'ondemand' even though I never changed it to that value. Why is this happening?
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Kernel? OC app?
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Ok so I can clearly see that my phone is becoming slow again. Not sure as to what it is related to. Though one thing that surprises me is that I overclocked the CPU to 1.2 GHz and set the governor as 'conservative' and sometimes even ' smartassv2' but it changes to 'ondemand' even though I never changed it to that value. Why is this happening?
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Plugging the phone into a pc does that for some reason.
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I have to agree that even though my phone was initially fast it slowed down considerably after some time. Frustrated I then backuped my phone using Titanium backup and installed Tweaked 2.2 Rom + PBJ. But this time I did the conversion to EXT4 and the phone has become super snappy and the fastest I have ever seen. However, I am not rejoicing right now because I have only installed some very necessary apps like navigation, yelp etc. Don't know if the phone will be come slow after I install more apps. On Seepu I can see for the first time my used memory is green and this probably is a major reason why the phone has speeded up. Another factor is the EXT4 conversion.
Infinity was known for slowing down over a short period of time. Tweaked 2.2 is quite a bit better. But running a Droid Charge for several days without rebooting it once in a while will cause it to slow down too. Just reboot when it starts slowing down. It should help.
Before I add any more apps I want to save this state of the phone so that I can go back to this if the performance degrades. What do I have to do for this? I used Titanium backup but I see that it saves app data and you have to install each individual app. What I want is to make one click and restore my phone back to the state it previously was. Should I do a nandroid backup
I have moto atrix 2 and so do my gf.
Her moto is non rooted and ics upgraded also genuine. (She neva lemme tuch her phone ).
And mine is rooted and runs on jb leak(China).
I found that some times her fone's some apps are some times gone.
Yesterday she was playing farm frengy and in morning when she saw app was gone.
Also when i checked one More app was gone. Dat was all in one toolbox.( if other app were fone i don't know coz she doesn't care and i don't keep track).
Thing is apps are lost from fone. It happened some time when i bought my fone , when it was on gb.
I just download all on one toolbox to my gf's fone. Then i off my cell and from recovery menu i wiped cache and restarted her fone .. and guss what farm frengy appeared.
What was that.
Anyone had same problem
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One toolbox? you mean 17 tools app? can't comment on that.
When I was new to XDA & I had posted query regarding 32gb class 10 card, I was lambasted for the fact that it had been covered a zillion times. Basically if it is a class 10 card it has been said since the advent of this device forum that it will cause problems later if not sooner namely in terms of apps mysteriously disappearing etc. I did not have apps missing by themselves ever but my issue was if ever my phone switched off due to battery full drain then it was pure misery wherein the phone would constantly reboot no end & this was when class 10 cards were pretty expensive. Then what I did was formatted the SD card ""on the phone"" & been using the app 'apps2sd' by Sam Lu & it has a functionality wherein it shows apps when installed as a grey 'X' icon for those apps which can be moved to SD but should ideally not be moved & from the very beginning I have always made sure I never move such apps to the SD. Don't ever use apps like 'link2sd' which complicate things on A2 especially. The highlight is for the lambasting that I had got that I have to accept that class 10 card would never work, I have to state till date I am running the very same SD card without any issues whatsoever so.... in any case, follow what I have stated above, may work for you, I use Rom Toolbox Pro but so far I have not tinkered setting to increase catching speed function for SD. Best of luck. Also it had been said that all apps should necessarily be installed to internal phone memory only but I don't do that yet & I'm surviving.
My gfs fone wiz has genuine ics upgraded os.. i haven't touch its software she has 4 gb normal card, i mean no class mentioned but m pretty sure not c10.
What now..??
And thanks for reply sir
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In that case, yet format the SD card on the phone by first backing up personal files to a computer then ensure that SD card is not selected as default storage location and then also never install any apps to SD.
I observed you're all across the boards plagued with multiple problems besides this such as extreme battery drain, no network etc etc, so if you're in warranty ask for a replacement, would bode better for you.
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One toolbox? you mean 17 tools app? can't comment on that.
When I was new to XDA & I had posted query regarding 32gb class 10 card, I was lambasted for the fact that it had been covered a zillion times. Basically if it is a class 10 card it has been said since the advent of this device forum that it will cause problems later if not sooner namely in terms of apps mysteriously disappearing etc. I did not have apps missing by themselves ever but my issue was if ever my phone switched off due to battery full drain then it was pure misery wherein the phone would constantly reboot no end & this was when class 10 cards were pretty expensive. Then what I did was formatted the SD card ""on the phone"" & been using the app 'apps2sd' by Sam Lu & it has a functionality wherein it shows apps when installed as a grey 'X' icon for those apps which can be moved to SD but should ideally not be moved & from the very beginning I have always made sure I never move such apps to the SD. Don't ever use apps like 'link2sd' which complicate things on A2 especially. The highlight is for the lambasting that I had got that I have to accept that class 10 card would never work, I have to state till date I am running the very same SD card without any issues whatsoever so.... in any case, follow what I have stated above, may work for you, I use Rom Toolbox Pro but so far I have not tinkered setting to increase catching speed function for SD. Best of luck. Also it had been said that all apps should necessarily be installed to internal phone memory only but I don't do that yet & I'm surviving.
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the situation with class 10 sdcards depends on your phone, if youre lucky then your phone will support class 10 cards without any issues.. i per se have never tried a class 10 card but my friend with an A2 has and even he doesnt have any problems. I have always used a Class 6, first one a sandisk 16gb one and now using a samsung 32gb. Class 10 cards are expensive than class 6 obviously but class 6 cards are hard to find at the actual price in the market here. i bought mine for a bargain price from a seller on Olx.
As for the apps on sdcard and phone, even i dont install any apps on the sdcard, just games so that even if my phone is connected to the laptop in Mass Storage mode i can still use my apps..
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I observed you're all across the boards plagued with multiple problems besides this such as extreme battery drain, no network etc etc, so if you're in warranty ask for a replacement, would bode better for you.
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Sir battery drain and other problems are occurring in my a2.
App disappearance was in my gf's a2.
I did as u said to her sd card. :thumbup:
And my mobile is just a month old
Now problem about network is only with vodafone sim wiz 32k sim.. so i m going tomorrow to Vodafone store to replace my sim with 64k sim.
Battery drain is still awesome in my fone. On stand by, i m getting 18 to 20 hr backup .
Now its showing 10 hr of uses and battery is 43%.
Can u help me with battery calibration.. ??
I think it would help..??
Thanx again for replying
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Hello guys, I got a Moto G a few months ago and it's definitely a great phone for the $25 it cost me brand new. I'm not used to a phone being this slow, but honestly it does everything I need it to do for far less money than any other phone. I originally got it because I just wanted to get away from the major carries contract plans and now have cricket service for only $35/month. The only negative thing I've found is the lack of memory on the device is severely hampering my ability to install applications.
I have a 64gb sd card installed that it recognizes just fine. However, when I try to install games from the play store it won't let me because of the lack of internal storage. So, I understand what is happening and why........ What I want to know now is, is there a way to work around this issue?
I've already moved what I could onto the sd card through the settings menu. However, that didn't move a whole lot. This really sucks that there is 40gb free on my sd card and I'm unable to utilize it to install applications. When I bought the phone I didn't think this would be an issue. I thought I'd just be able to move everything over no problem.
Surely, I'm not the only person having this issue. Any help guys? Possibly an old thread that I missed on how to get around this?
Hi,
I bought to my wife Honor 6 last year, she loved it after many many crappy Samsung phones.
Everything went good, but now when there come newest android 6.0 update some time ago to phone it take a big part of internal memory!
I checked phone and there is really only social media things and some shopping apps. So not big games etc
Phone is non rooted so there is many Huawei own apps, and non used google apps of course taking storage for nothing...
So now there is all the time like 400mb free space, and apps don´t even can take updates because all the time text "Storage is getting full" shows up
There is not sd card, i was thinking to bought 32gb card but do it really helps because can i move stuff to it from internal memory, like apps?
Or is this just the time when universum is telling me "You need to buy new phone to your wife every year!"
Please help me, wife is mad as hell
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Hi,
I bought to my wife Honor 6 last year, she loved it after many many crappy Samsung phones.
Everything went good, but now when there come newest android 6.0 update some time ago to phone it take a big part of internal memory!
I checked phone and there is really only social media things and some shopping apps. So not big games etc
Phone is non rooted so there is many Huawei own apps, and non used google apps of course taking storage for nothing...
So now there is all the time like 400mb free space, and apps don´t even can take updates because all the time text "Storage is getting full" shows up
There is not sd card, i was thinking to bought 32gb card but do it really helps because can i move stuff to it from internal memory, like apps?
Or is this just the time when universum is telling me "You need to buy new phone to your wife every year!"
Please help me, wife is mad as hell
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Yes you can move apps to SD it will help...or you can downgrade to last update which was working good for you.