This is a strange one for me. Stumped. Been working on it all night, no improvement. New one for me, long-ish description (with detail), but a TL;DR too.
Last night I applied the 1.3 OTA for the K1. Being my K1 was rooted, I followed the process I have always followed by restoring the system images to stock, applying the OTA via recovery, then re-rooting. Process:
Shutdown tablet
Swap married/paired SD card with temp SD containing flashables (OTA, SuperSU)
Boot to bootloader, fastboot (re)flash tablet's current system images (recovery was already stock but flashed again for good measure, boot, system, blob -> staging)
Boot to custom recovery using fastboot boot -recovery image-
Flash OTA from temp SD, wipe caches, apply SuperSU
Shutdown, replace married SD, boot, enjoy life
This time I didn't immediately apply SuperSU, as I thought I'd flash 1.3 and let it go fully stock a bit to ensure no other updates were pending (nVidia seems to like incremental updates, so flashing to 1.1 won't give you an OTA to 1.3 directly, but to 1.2 first, then 1.3). I've also followed this process with the K1 for every update since 1.1 without a hitch, and although there haven't been many OTAs, it has still worked perfectly every time. Because of this and because I've done this a billion times on a million different devices with zero issues ever, I didn't take a backup before the update. Woe is me.
When I rebooted this time after flashing the OTA (no root), it booted up seemingly fine to the "Android is upgrading" modal, so I left the tablet alone for a bit to let it do its thing. When I came back, the tablet was HOT, was at a completely black screen save for the status bar (no wallpaper/launcher besides the clock/wifi icon which showed a connection, that's it). I tried to interact with it and couldn't (totally locked up, also a first), then it rebooted on its own. Subsequent times, during troubleshooting, I noticed that it's totally locked -- NOTHING responds, unless you can get to it before it reboots and hold power to kill it.
First thought was a bad flash. NBD, so went back and reflashed, double-checking everything and carefully following the same process. No dice. I did use a newer TWRP recovery from April of this year initially, which was a recommended version for the K1 specifically, rather than a really buggy but working one from last year. To test I did I try using the older TWRP on one of the next flashes thinking maybe the new one borked the partitions, or at least wasn't writing the partitions/symlinks properly (and the older one was the TWRP I had used for previous updates, with no issues). But, no change..
It took me a long time and many reflashes and cache formatting and digging before I realized if I pulled the married SD out, it booted just fine. Weird, and gets weirder. After leaving the married SD out and booting, and having the tablet working just as expected (except for missing the SD), Android shows a notification saying to reinsert the married SD. Once the married SD is reinserted, things seem OK for a few seconds before the whole system goes unresponsive again, heats up, and begins bootlooping. Before it sh'ts the bed, the message on the status notification asking to reinsert the married SD card doesn't change, but in the Storage settings, it shows it's "checking" the card, followed by a sudden hot death spiral into non-function. If you select the SD from Storage settings to take a look around its contents, the tablet basically locks up instantly. Inserting other SDs works fine (for the most part, still some other weirdness), it's just the married SD that totally kills the device without fail.
Obviously I'd like to avoid wiping and reinstalling the whole thing if it can be avoided, not just because my dumb ass didn't take a backup so I'd lose a ton of app/game data, but also because it's a just huge pain. A lot of the sites that offered "fixes" for these types of problems say to just wipe data, which is not a solution and is the nuclear option (like telling someone to to replace a car due to a flat tire).
Ideas? Is this as simple as recreating some symlinks that somehow disappeared and refuse to come back after all the flashes, and if so, how? I've been looking for hours and haven't found anyone with this particular issue or steps to correct.
[size=+2]TL;DR[/size]: Applied K1 1.3 OTA, married/paired SD card is no longer recognized, causes tablet to hard-lock and enter bootloop when inserted (other SDs do not cause this issue).
Other potentially pertinent bits:
Initial flash was dirty, second and subsequent flashes included a wipe of system first
Installed 1.2 images first, then tried going back to 1.1.1 and taking nVidia's OTAs to get back up to 1.3
1.1.1 does not recognize the married SD but doesn't kill the tablet, while 1.2 and 1.3 kill the tablet when the SD is inserted
When married SD is not inserted, using shell or ES Explorer or otherwise, not seeing a /storage/emulated/0, or /sdcard, or /data/media, or any other familiar storage related directories
When married SD is inserted, it dies too fast to look around much or try to do anything to check/fix the SD itself
/storage is totally empty except for a folder called "self", and inserting a working SD creates a directory under /storage labeled with the SD's serial number (not an emulated/0 directory or anything similar)
Not sure if this is expected behavior since the SD was married -- do those directories/symlinks live on the SD now since it's married, and won't show up in the device filesystem until everything's properly mounted?
Tried following these steps, which although written in the N5 forum, still seemed relevant.. no change
Tried the referenced SD permissions update with the card inserted and not, in case of the directories it touches only being visible/available with the card inserted, no change
Noticed even within TWRP, going to the "mount" menu seemed flaky, labored, and didn't show what I expected, but this could be because there isn't a "proper" or official custom recovery for the K1 yet and things are just buggy
ES File Manager still seems to think an /sdcard directory exists and tries to open to it, and just spins in an open directory.. as expected
Going to /data in ES File Manager shows me an empty directory with a message stating the SD card is missing
Using a working, freshly formatted SD in the tablet and trying to point Titanium to a directory on the SD gives me messages about the directory being unwritable, no matter where I go on the SD
Titanium's app permissions (including r/w storage) are proper, SD is not write protected (freshly formatted on the tablet)
Tried using SDFix, which also gave me an error re: "platform permission file is invalid"
There's probably more I'm missing, but can't remember it all -- I have tried everything, I feel like, and have been at it for 13 hours now (apologies if this is written spotty, fighting to keep my eyes open).
So is it totally hosed, or is this recoverable? Is there a way to fix the tablet to recognize the SD, or fix the SD itself if that's the issue (but I'd wonder how it got corrupted in the first place, since it has only been removed once fully powered down)? Is there at least a way to check the married SD for corruption or issues?
Thoughts?
EDIT: Formatting
You removed the sdcard that was set as internal storage? Well you probably broke it/the data on it because that's not what you should do at all
GtrCraft said:
You removed the sdcard that was set as internal storage? Well you probably broke it/the data on it because that's not what you should do at all
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And why is that? When the OS is running, sure, you can't. It'd be equivalent to just deleting /data while the OS was running. It seems pretty unlikely that removing and reinserting it while it's powered off, though, would make it suddenly unable to read the SD or forget its pairing. Adopted storage is "married" to the device via a generated encryption key, which is stored on the device's internal storage. It's all handled in software, not like the SD fuses itself to the device Removing the SD (while off) would not (and does not) break this pairing method, unless the internal storage or SD decides to spontaneously erase itself while the device was off.
The process outlined is the recommended process for upgrading rooted devices with adopted storage. I've followed this process on multiple tablets/phones with adopted storage with zero issues, including this one several times, like I mentioned.
If it WERE the case that simply removing it (again, while off) made it forget the SD, I could understand the tablet reading the card and saying "nope not going to accept it, you done f'd up" and spitting out a dialog telling me to format it or whatnot.. lesson learned, if that were the case. However it's completely hard-locking the device (again, NOTHING works, no physical buttons, screen is unresponsive, only holding power to kill it works) when it's just reading the SD, and apparently pinning the CPU when doing so (hence the absurd heat)..? It's not just a matter of the tablet forgetting the SD
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When the OS is running, sure. Maybe that is the case, but it seems pretty unlikely that removing and reinserting it while it's powered off would make it spontaneously unable to read the SD or forget its pairing.
This is the recommended process for upgrading rooted devices with adopted storage. I've followed this process on multiple tablets/phones with adopted storage with zero issues, including this one several times, like I mentioned.
If it WERE the case that simply removing it (again, while off) made it forget the SD, I could understand the tablet reading the card and saying "nope not going to accept it, you done f'd up" and spitting out a dialog telling me to format it or whatnot.. lesson learned, if that were the case. However it's completely hard-locking the device (again, NOTHING works, no physical buttons, screen is unresponsive, only holding power to kill it works) when it's just reading the SD, and apparently pinning the CPU when doing so (hence the absurd heat)..? It's not just a matter of the tablet forgetting the SD
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Still, you better off formatting it
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Been running adopted storage in my mxpe since mm was released and have never removed the card to flash.
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lafester said:
Been running adopted storage in my mxpe since mm was released and have never removed the card to flash.
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Cool.
Regarding the YOU CAN'T REMOVE IT belief (which is categorically false), if this were a serious issue like people speculate it is, Android would simply not ALLOW you to remove it. Meaning if it was ever detected as being removed or missing, first time, Android would tell you "too bad, now it's unpaired", and would also make it REEEEALLY clear not to remove it at all, ever, during the pairing process, which it does not. Nor would it let you eject adopted storage, which you can, safely. Like I mentioned above, when booting without the SD present, the system runs fine and has a persistent notification asking you to reinsert the paired SD, and begins to check the SD as soon as it's inserted so it can be remounted. If you select the notification before putting the SD back in, it takes you to a panel explaining how the SD has all your apps, so you really should put it back in, or you can choose to "forget" the SD and you're back to square one. If you REALLY weren't supposed to remove the SD EVER, none of this would exist.
Additionally, pretty much every piece of documentation around adoptable storage says it can be removed just fine (but is only readable/usable by the device it was paired to), but the system kinda needs it to, you know, run all the apps you put on the thing, and will persistently remind you to reinsert it, unless you choose to break the adoption. So there's that.
Storage adoption isn't this magical, complicated thing. It mounts certain directories to your SD instead of internal storage (e.g., /storage/emulated), generates a key, then encrypts the card to prevent it from being read outside of the device it was paired with. That's really pretty much all there is to it. None of those things necessitate a or even imply that removal of an adopted SD would lead to sudden disaster. That's like believing if you take your hard drive out of your computer, but then plug it right back in, that it's going to be unbootable and dead. Doesn't work that way.
I appreciate you guys trying to help, but the problem is not simply that I removed the SD so now it's broken.
The thing that should get your attention is that when the SD is inserted, it begins to scan the SD and subsequently HARD-LOCKS. And PEGS THE CPU. Also that I cannot write to a working SD with Titanium. These things are pretty abnormal for Android devices, to say the least. There is something else going on here besides "You took the SD out and you weren't supposed to."
grivad said:
Cool.
Regarding the DON'T REMOVE IT belief, if this were an issue like people speculate it is, Android would simply not ALLOW you to remove it. Meaning if it was ever detected as being removed or missing, first time, Android would tell you "too bad, now it's unpaired", and would also make it REEEEALLY clear not to remove it at all, ever, during the pairing process, which it does not. Nor would it let you eject adopted storage, which you can, safely. Like I mentioned above, when booting without the SD present, the system runs fine and has a persistent notification asking you to reinsert the paired SD, and begins to check the SD as soon as it's inserted so it can be remounted. If you select the notification before putting the SD back in, it takes you to a panel explaining how the SD has all your apps, so you really should put it back in, or you can choose to "forget" the SD and you're back to square one. If you REALLY weren't supposed to remove the SD EVER, none of this would exist.
Additionally, pretty much every piece of documentation around adoptable storage says it can be removed just fine (but is only readable/usable by the device it was paired to), but the system kinda needs it to, you know, run all the apps you put on the thing, and will persistently remind you to reinsert it, unless you choose to break the adoption. So there's that.
Storage adoption isn't this magical, complicated thing. It mounts certain directories to your SD instead of internal storage (e.g., /storage/emulated), generates a key, then encrypts the card to prevent it from being read outside of the device it was paired with. That's really pretty much all there is to it. None of those things necessitate a or even imply that removal of an adopted SD would lead to sudden disaster. That's like believing if you take your hard drive out of your computer, but then plug it right back in, that it's going to be unbootable and dead. Doesn't work that way.
I appreciate you guys trying to help, but the problem is not simply that I removed the SD so now it's broken.
The thing that should get your attention is that when the SD is inserted, it begins to scan the SD and subsequently HARD-LOCKS. And PEGS THE CPU. Both of those things are pretty abnormal for Android devices, to say the least. There is something else going on here besides "You took the SD out and you weren't supposed to."
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Well you tried with another sd and there is no problem. So the cause of the freezing problem is your sd.
But be my guest and find another solution. I just gave an answer to your question and a solution for the problem. If you don't believe that then you shouldn't ask it in the first place
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Well you tried with another sd and there is no problem. So the cause of the freezing problem is your sd.
But be my guest and find another solution. I just gave an answer to your question and a solution for the problem. If you don't believe that then you shouldn't ask it in the first place
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It's not that I don't believe the solution, I don't believe the premise because it is provably false There is absolutely nothing unsafe about ejecting adopted storage, which is why the OS lets you do it, even while it's running and using the storage. Even less of a risk if the thing is off. The "solution" offered wasn't much of a solution, and in the OP it was stated that I wasn't looking for that answer (already know that's an option, which is why I mentioned in the OP).
I appreciate you trying to help, but simply saying "format it", again, is the nuclear option. Not what I'm looking for. Either information as to what's happening (if anyone else has dealt with this) with a justification as to why it's irrepairable, or things to try based on the information I gave. Spending a lot of time being thorough just to get a "format it" response, to be frank, isn't very helpful It's like telling someone to reinstall their entire OS because they can't figure out how to install a driver, or to raze their house because a painting fell off the wall.
The SD didn't spontaneously corrupt itself in the 5 mins it was out of the device. No gamma bursts or EM storms in my area that I know of, either Because the only thing that changed was installing the OTA, this really seems to be a software problem (albeit a bit bizarre, to me) so it should be fixable via software. The fact it's pegging the CPU when the SD is inserted makes me wonder if it's getting stuck in a loop, maybe due to partition changes (looking for a file or partition it can't find). If that's the case, again, that should be fixable via software, with instruction from someone knowledgeable on how the Android FS and mounts work.
Again thanks for trying to help. I know formatting is an option (the easiest one), but I'm looking for just that -- options.
You did update the firmware with the sd out, nothing to do with lightning or gamma bursts.
Did you try downgrading firmware back to where it was?
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You did update the firmware with the sd out, nothing to do with lightning or gamma bursts.
Did you try downgrading firmware back to where it was?
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True, the SD was out, however this is how I've both read to do it in multiple places, and how I've applied every OTA so far without issue (with the same adopted SD every time). As part of my troubleshooting, I did try flashing the OTA with the adopted SD inserted, though. It didn't make a difference.
I did try downgrading.. When I started the tablet was on 1.2, OTAd to 1.3. Every time I'd reflash I would do so to 1.2. I did try flashing down to 1.1.1 (the "recovery OS image") and OTAing back up, and like I mentioned that allowed me to use the device with the SD inserted, but it wouldn't recognize it as the adopted storage.. just kinda did nothing, as if the card wasn't inserted at all. This happened in 1.2 as well (OTAd from 1.1.1), and once it got up to 1.3 from 1.2 it all started all over again.
I'm creating an image of the SD right now (using dd) to try restoring it to another SD. I've read that doing this preserves the pairing information, so if it's a bad SD, this would hopefully fix it. I also wanted to try flashing directly to 1.3, but the images aren't available yet Only 1.2 and 1.1.1..
Honestly I would divorce the card before update then redo it after this whole method is janky anyway no reason to remap the data links like they do and all it would be required is if app devs were forced to comply with a data space method... The feature of installing to SD card should be available to non married storage.
Old thread, haven't been on in a while, but thought I'd post an update.
The problem ended up being a hardware issue. I contacted nVidia after absolutely nothing I tried resolved the issue (different SDs, different OS versions, different process to set up, etc.). I simply explained the problems I was having and my troubleshooting attempts, asked if it was a known issue or if they had any suggestions, and they immediately responded with RMA info, no questions asked. The replacement turnaround time was very fast (within a week IIRC), and the new K1 has had zero issues.
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I have a HTC Fuze (AT&T GSM). I followed the instruction on (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951981) for FRX06 but it keeps getting stuck at "task rpcrouter:15 blocked for more than 120 sec". It never gets to the calibration screen... I even tried downloading and using a pre-made ts-calib file but the results were the same.
I also tried numerous other posts ROMS (FRX03, FRX04, XDAndroid 2.2 (rel 1.6).cab, even tried XDAndroid 2.1 (rel 2.5a).cab) but I still get stuck at the "task rpcrouter:15 blocked for more than 120 sec" error.
I read in another post back in Feb 11 that it was an issue and someone acknowledging it is an issue but no solution stated in the 19 pages of forums. Another user states this is a "bootloop" but did not offer any solution.
In any case, I never got to any graphical screens - never got past the text screens (white text on black background).
Help!
Actually the fix was to delete the data.img but that would be the "quick fix". This WAS mentioned under the troubleshooting section of THIS post. If you really want to see the calibration screen, download an older kernel package as stated HERE.
BE SURE TO SAVE THE FILE CALLED ts-calibration THAT YOU JUST CREATED!​Additionally, I want you to format your microSD and start over from scratch. Just to flush out any other issues that you and may not encounter; such as the "waiting on SD card" issue some complain about. When I say format, I mean use something other than windows to format your microSD. I use the free version of partition wizard and it seems to do the trick. IF you want something a little less program intensive, I would suggest using SD Formatter. Again, not required but it might help solve other issues you may encounter on down the line.
All of that being said, I have a RAPH110 aka at&t Fuze, so I know this process works. If it doesn't work for you, YOU are doing something wrong!
Also, if you insist that you would rather skip the calibration screen, you may use my ts-calibration file. Make sure you place it where the file called haret.exe is.
CLICK HERE for your viewing pleasure!
Same problem with FRX06 even after FORMAT with OVERWRITE of the microSD. I included the ts-calib file. Got past "Creating a new Data Store" then got stuck at "mdp irq is already 4 4 and above mdp_dma: busy" where it would retry after getting stuck for 120 sec.
I then reformatted again and this time tried "XDAndroid 2.2 (rel 1.6).cab". Got to "Creating a new Data Store" and it is stuck there for over an hour - so I gave up.
I then tried deleting the files for "XDAndroid 2.2 (rel 1.6).cab" and this time tried "XDAndroid 2.1 (rel 2.5a).cab". Same issue.
Next, I tried loading Android on the Device instead of Storage Card. Stuck at the same point... I waited 5 min then quit.
I read elsewhere possibility of problems using micro SDHC cards... do you have a microSD card in your Fuze? My card is a Patriot microSDHC 8GB.
As always, there may be a bad batch but have had no such luck with buying PNY nor SanDisk. You did download 1231 as mentioned earlier, correct? So, if you want to try that first, you'll need to delete the existing modules-xxx and zImage file and extract the contents of the downloaded file till you see the modules-xxx and zImage_xxx. Rename the one called zImage_xxx to just zImage and be sure to place them with the file called haret.exe and launch haret once more. Keep in mind, downloading the kernel packages may not be required but in order to test things out and to see what works best, it is. Good luck my friend!
So I tried again and let the install run overnight (>4 hr). In the morning, it was still looping so I stopped it. Today, when I looked at the microSD, I see 171 FSCH0xxx files... most are 32K. 170 was 192K and 171 was 1.81M total of these files were about 158MB. Does this indicate anything?
Anyway, I reformatted my microSD card twice using the SDFormatter (Overwrite, Size Adjustment on), loaded FRX06, replaced the set with the 2 files you sent and renamed the zImage file. Booting up, goes into text screen, still get the timeout error. This time I noticed that there was a line that says "INFO: task dd:91 blocked for more than 120 seconds." My guess is that it's creating those FSCK files again... meaning SD card errors?
Have you another microSD to confirm whether it is a bad card? I just started from scratch (for the 50th time today) and I am NOT seeing what you are seeing(I don't see any FSCHxxx files)... I don't suggest trying anything older than FRX06. If anything, I'd suggest you see if you can find another microSD and probably only use that card for temporary storage.
OK, I'll have to go get another card this weekend then. I do think it seems like the card has some kind of compatibility problem... what brand are you using?
For tonight, I've formatted the card twice and then am trying the "XDAndroid 2.2 (rel 1.6).cab" now... It is stuck in the "Creating a New Data store" line for >20 minutes now... (FXR06 passes that but gets hung up trying to fix the file system). I'll wait a while longer and see if it will miraculously finish creating the new data store.
Thanks for your suggestions.
I have a PNY and SanDisk both 4GB class 4. I think bestbuy has the PNY one for like 30 bucks (maybe cheaper?)
I don't know what the problem is but I'm willing to help out how ever I can
I downloaded MiniTool Partition Wizard and deleted the microSD card's partition then recreated it. Then, I recopied the files into the root of the microSD, installed into my FUZE, and clicked on herat... this time it got into the Android graphical portion (no calibration needed since I included the ts-calibration file), stayed at the ANDROID screen for a while then went blank. I waited about 6 minutes then turned it off. When I went to see what's inside the microSD, I found the data.img file 256MB and also messed up file system again - since I shut it off prematurely.
With a lot more confidence this time, I repartitioned the microSD again, placed my Android files under its own folder. Crossing my fingers...
Ah, so you've been using the file path method then? If that is the case all one would need to do is put rel_path=FRX06 in the startup.txt file, between the quotation marks. Additionally, if you prefer more ogranization and plan to run more than one build at a time, it is best to have that command in your startup.txt file for each build. Keeping in mind, once you do this, it pretty much sets the default path for that build to that particular folder. I wasn't aware that you were starting one folder deep, my apologies . It's best to use the root folder for troublshooting and what not. I prefer to only use one build at a time because I find it easier to keep problems isolated and it helps me troubleshoot at the same time.
Additionally, if you want a more easier way to troubleshoot Android issues and you don't mind waiting for the data store (aka data.img) to be recreated at boot time, then one would only need to delete the data.img file (keep in mind if you have any settings or contacts, these may be deleted as well). What I usually do is once I get a good data.img, I make a backup and zip them up (or use your method of archiving). I also make a backup before I make any changes, like if I am testing out a new rootfs or kernel package. Most of this has been discussed and mentioned in the Android forums.
That did not work so I reformatted again and went back to using the root of the microSD for Android... FRX06 was stuck on GUI but blank screen all night - I turned it off in the morning. Back to the drawing board. At least I got the microSD issue figured out... on to the next mystery.
Update:
OK, partitioned my 8GB to 7GB FAT32, 512MB ext3, 512MB linux swap. Loaded FXR06 into the root folder, booted and it works this time. However, once into Android, it would lock up.
Case 1: Boot up android, clicked on Gmail, screen is android but nothing in the screen except background. Took out battery to turn off.
Case 2: Boot up android, left it alone, screen turned off - will not wake up. Took out battery to turn off.
Case 3: Boot up android, went to settings to set up wifi, froze. Took out battery to turn off.
Case 4: Boot up android, went to settings to set up wifi, entered WEP key, Fuze froze (I know because the screen is non-responsive, back button remains lighted after I move my finger away, and the clock on screen is not advancing). Took out battery to turn off.
Case 5: Replaced the modules and zImage files to the new ones you sent me (12/31/2010)... booted up android, went to settings to set up wifi, entered WEP key, shows connected, Fuze froze (I know because the screen is non-responsive, back button remains lighted after I move my finger away, and the clock on screen is not advancing).
Seems my Fuze is locking up soon after Android boot. Tried numerous times... left alone, freeze. Tried calling, freeze. It seems to be time based. So close...
Strange, though, as the phone remains warm to the touch despite being frozen for some time.
Yeah, you lost me at partitioning your device as I don't even touch that stuff. I think you are using something different. Sorry but I can not help you, my friend!
Thanks anyway... the partitioning is just to make the partition "different". Probably no relevance unless it allowed me to exclude some bad sectors from use. As far as Froyo, I guess there is some kind of HW or SW problem with my phone. I may reflash my Fuze to another WM ROM - just to clean it up and isolate SW as the problem.
Let me clarify, I don't partition my microSD because XDAndroid builds simply do not require this. There are Neopeek variants that require partitioning of the microSD but I still think your method is slightly over exaggerated. I'm not sure why but I guess for some reason there may be an issue with your microSD and partitioning may be a way around this issue but I don't know enough about partitioning microSD/non-volatile flash. So, I couldn't say for sure...
Ok, so I installed Tael ROM (WM 6.5) then tried installing, it still freezes after 1-2 min of booting up (or during boot up). So it looks like it's a hardware (phone or microSD) issue for some reason. I guess hardware vs thinking kernel because the 2.1 installs also do not work.
On another note, it seems that the Android boot process corrupts my other files... I have folders for GPS and photo (DCIM) and it "corrects" those errors and kills my files.
Hmmm... I can't say for certain as I've never experienced that issue. All of my files remain intact before and after booting into Android and rebooting into winmo. Are you talking about the files on your phone or microSD. If you are talking about your microSD, you might be experiencing the hardware issue and the while you boot into Android, it is only attempting to "fix" these issues and in the process, kills the files contained with-in. Does this makes any sense?
Yes, the files are those I mentioned are in my microSD. So, yes, looks like some kind of interface issue causing Android to think the files are corrupt and then try to "fix" them. Strange though that WM does not try to fix the "errors".
I think it's kind of like the linux way to make sure there won't be any issues when you run the OS, since Android would run off the microSD and not from the phones storage. Currently, there is some development for this called NAND. Still really nothing solid as to whether it will work or not but always good to know, I guess?
Well, the thing is those files are pictures/videos/GPS maps... so I think WM is able to read them (so not an error) yet Android does during its pre-boot scan. Anyway, since upon successful scan and android actually loads, it would freeze in 1-2 min, so the problem may not be limited to the microSD. Yeah, perhaps the NAND will work better. I did get Warm Donut to run on my old Tilt, so I am still hopeful.
The issue that is stumping me is that I'm not experiencing the same issues you are with XDAndroid and I'm not sure how else to help aside from using another microSD to confirm an issue with your current microSD.. sorry
So I've been having this issue for about a week now. All the apps installed on my phones SD card once I reboot are not loading up. I know the data is still there because the first time that it happened I spent the better part of day freaking out thinking everything was gone gone. At some point I thought of checking of the data by plugging in into the computer. Turns out (1) all the apps miraculously return (2) I can't mount the SD card anymore (3) I can't unmount the SD card anymore either.
What is the deal? It's kind of annoying to lost everything every time you reboot. I'm not really in the mood to tether my phone each time for the unforeseeable future just to keep everything loaded. Has this happened to anyone before? What should I do?
Cwluc said:
So I've been having this issue for about a week now. All the apps installed on my phones SD card once I reboot are not loading up. I know the data is still there because the first time that it happened I spent the better part of day freaking out thinking everything was gone gone. At some point I thought of checking of the data by plugging in into the computer. Turns out (1) all the apps miraculously return (2) I can't mount the SD card anymore (3) I can't unmount the SD card anymore either.
What is the deal? It's kind of annoying to lost everything every time you reboot. I'm not really in the mood to tether my phone each time for the unforeseeable future just to keep everything loaded. Has this happened to anyone before? What should I do?
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What do you mean, the icons? I'm going to assume that's what you're referring to, for this reply...
If that's what you meant, icons on the home screen take a few seconds to get themselves drawn, if apps are on SD.
You can switch to a different skin then switch back to your original skin, to get them to redraw. Or delete/reposition them one at a time. It's a workaround, but changing the skin temporarily is faster.
It's a sense bug, I'm pretty sure.
Doesn't happen if apps are installed on the phones internal storage, so until they fix it, move your apps onto internal storage, if you don't want to deal with this each time you reboot. They run faster if they're not on your SD anyway.
Unless you have waaaay more apps than you really need, of course.
Sorry should've been a little more specific. The shortcuts on my home screen are all no longer working and I'm well aware of how long it takes for sense to load them up on startup but even when I go to display all apps it only displays the apps on internal storage. In fact each and every app on the card (in the apps settings) has a funny icon that has a little "sd" on it now and just says computing and will not load.
And since writing this I can no longer get the phone to load any apps from the sd card by tethering it to the computer. It's still accessible - just downloaded today's song from amazon and played it - but apps on it are almost like they're gone.
This happens to me sometimes too. But usually when it happens to me I can go into Settings - Applications - Manage Applications and move the troublesome app to internal storage, and then it's fine. It never completely disappears.
It might do you some good to reformat your SD card. Move everything off of it first, then format it, then put everything back on.
Is it the stock 8GB SD card, or a different one?
homeslice976 said:
This happens to me sometimes too. But usually when it happens to me I can go into Settings - Applications - Manage Applications and move the troublesome app to internal storage, and then it's fine. It never completely disappears.
It might do you some good to reformat your SD card. Move everything off of it first, then format it, then put everything back on.
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Sold, since I can no longer access the SD card and I've got nothing to listen to at work...
zuriken said:
Is it the stock 8GB SD card, or a different one?
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Yup.
@homeslice976 copied, formatted (made sure it was FAT32), copied everything back and no dice. Same symptoms, Apps will not load.
@zuriken I don't know why you asked about the stock SD card or not, do you think it needs to be replaced? It's only been since February.
Cwluc said:
@homeslice976 copied, formatted (made sure it was FAT32), copied everything back and no dice. Same symptoms, Apps will not load.
@zuriken I don't know why you asked about the stock SD card or not, do you think it needs to be replaced? It's only been since February.
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Did you do a full, not quick format? Scan for bad sectors/errors?
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Did you do a full, not quick format? Scan for bad sectors/errors?
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full format, chkdsk /f, still nothing though. This is honestly getting to the point where I'm tempted to switch to another phone. Why can't I access my stuff?
Another new bonus, every time I get some sort of alert it now plays random MP3s from the SD card. What is going on...
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full format, chkdsk /f, still nothing though. This is honestly getting to the point where I'm tempted to switch to another phone. Why can't I access my stuff?
Another new bonus, every time I get some sort of alert it now plays random MP3s from the SD card. What is going on...
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I'd try a brand new, good quality SD card before resorting to switching phones.
Have you flashed any custom roms or anything? I didn't see you mention either way.
Scott_S said:
I'd try a brand new, good quality SD card before resorting to switching phones.
Have you flashed any custom roms or anything? I didn't see you mention either way.
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It's gonna be a little while until I can try a new SD card but I'll get back to you.
The only ROM I loaded was the one to originally root that removed the uploading cap from ATT.
I also solved where the random sounds were coming from apparently it doesn't want to play my selected theme and no matter what I do the only one that works is the original HTC default 2010 one or if I download any only the Celesta theme plays... I have a sinking feeling that copying all this funky data isn't going to resolve anything but I'll give it a go.
Cwluc said:
It's gonna be a little while until I can try a new SD card but I'll get back to you.
The only ROM I loaded was the one to originally root that removed the uploading cap from ATT.
I also solved where the random sounds were coming from apparently it doesn't want to play my selected theme and no matter what I do the only one that works is the original HTC default 2010 one or if I download any only the Celesta theme plays... I have a sinking feeling that copying all this funky data isn't going to resolve anything but I'll give it a go.
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Good luck.
Since you haven't been messing with multiple roms and such, I don't know what else it could be, other than the SD card taking a dump.
I have some problems with my SD card on a THL T100s running a custom Kitkat 4.4.2 ROM.
I recently noticed that Android didn't see my SD anymore. I thought it was corrupted, so I put in on my pc and fixed file system and all. It didn't work. I tried with another SD, formatted it, but Android either didn't see the card at all, or say it was empty/corrupted. Then i booted into TWRP recovery mode to see if it was some software misconfiguration issue. TWRP saw the SD, so I rebooted and finally Android could read the card. Then something very strange started to happen. In a minute or so, my file explorer that previously could read and write on the SD, showed an empty folder instead, and no read or write operations could be performed anymore. Whenever I reboot, sometimes TWRP and/or Android can read/write on the SD card, sometimes not, and when it does it stops in a few minutes. Unmounting and remounting the SD from Settings->Memory result in a "Empty/Corrupted SD card" notification. I even hopelessly tried to wipe cache and dalvik cache (resulting in an annoying "Upgrading Android" at every boot)
I tried to logcat since boot, but honestly I spent all day long trying to figuring out what happens to no avail. I'm no expert and the logcats are huge: filtering only errors, or "sdcard1", "Volume", "Vold*" (which seemed to be related to the sdcard) didn't help me. I'm afraid it is a harware failure and that I can't do much about it.
Can anyone help me to search for the right things in logcats or has anyone else have an idea about what might happen? Any other suggestions?
I'll post a logcat if necessary but even filtering them out there are several hundreds if not thousands rows.
Thanks.
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Welcome to XDA Assist.
Check this thread to know the basics of logcat .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2274119
Though ,you are pretty much right . vold service manages SD card and volumes mounted such a SD card. And most probably your hardware is failing . Or the slot can't read the card properly.
A good way is to clean the contacts with isopropyl alcohol or some other cleaner. Dab some on tissue and clean it gently. You can also use a pencil eraser to clean contacts gently.
If you have any other issues ,you can sign up on forums and post in general Q/A
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help
Have a good day !
Just to add to this, Google has decided to limit sd card access in KitKat and Lollipop. You can also seek an app on Google Play called Sdfix which may be resolve the issue you are having. Also contact the developers of the custom ROMs you are using to see if they incorporated the known fix in their ROMs.
Thanks for the replies. I'll try to clean the contacts though they look pretty clean to me. I know about new Android restrictions, but I have root and the right permissions set. Previously it worked indeed.
I'm sure it probably is hardware related since a few days ago I had the phone repaired due to a broken micro USB port, and now sometimes even the camera can't connect. Perhaps the phone had been mounted incorrectly. I tried to dismantle it myself, but I can't see anything strange or out of place. A little pressure near the camera seemed to solve that problem. The micro SD slot isn't anywhere near the micro USB one, so this seemed strange to me. I hope the repairman didn't solder any circuitry it shouldn't.
If I don't solve with the cleaning I'll bring the phone back to him to see if he can handle that.
Thanks again
Hello everyone, I'm the sad owner of an Osprey terminal (XT1542), it was a gift from my family so I can have a more modern phone and so far it's been more a headache than a good thing.
My problem is that at first I believed it was some random bull**** from the Stock Marshmallow app, using Spotify and trying to download my playlist would end up with my internal storage full because Spotify (and any other app WITH the required permissions to "write" onto the SdCard) couldn't recognize the SD even after it displays it as totally readable, this creates a problem because the camera, the file explorer, even the ADB tool can't write onto the SDCard.
So, after using marshmallow with a 16GB class 10 Kingston SD card I did the following:
Tried every single possible solution to the issue with the vainilla Marshmallow 6.0, that includes formatting the SDcard OUTSIDE the android, different partition size, factory factory reset, nothing.
After failing on that, tried updating marshmallow, Failed, something about the "modem" isn't right on this phone.
So, I did what every XDA user would do, grabbed a brand new Nougat ROM and OGapps mini and installed it on the phone.
I didn't root the phone though....
Failed again, the same issue as before, so "It's the SD CARD YOU MORON" would be the answer here!
Nope. Brand New SDCard replaced with even a newer SDCard (same type) and again, the same issue as before.
As a note if I unmount the SDCard and mount it again via the config>storage option, it becomes "writable" again. For a while...
adb outputs when "push": failed to copy 'log_2017-04-13_OSPREY.txt' to '/storage/4FD8-E1EA/log_2017-04-13_OSPREY.txt': couldn't create file: Read-only file system
So, this leaves us with the simple fact that the issue is... Hardware? Software? Kernel? Maybe if I reset the phone to stock factory fully flashing every single bit of it it would work?
I really need your help in this one guys, thanks for your time.
Greets, let me know if you need any more info or maybe a log on the issue?
Did you REALLY need a poll for this? Seriously?
Did you look for information on this? There are at least a dozen threads on SD card issues on the Moto G 2015 just on XDA, much less the dozens of other threads everywhere else... Here is a quick summary, assuming you have tried clearing the cache partition, factory reset, etc:
50% of the time, it's the SD card itself that is bad, or there is a compatibility issue... Try a different brand, size, speed, etc. The most compatible cards seem to be Samsung EVO+ or EVO Plus series (they are different), PNY Elite series, Lexar 633x or 1000x series, and Sandisk Extreme or Ultra series but again this varies by individual handset. Kingston cards are hit and miss, some people have good luck, others not so much.
40% of the time it's a hardware defect or damage inside the device, nothing you can do but replace the microSD socket which requires micro soldering... Probably best to leave it to professionals.
10% of the time, it's a mixed bag... sometimes a couple layers of scotch tape on the back of the card will help (increases tension on the contact fingers slightly), sometimes it's counterfeit cards (don't kid yourself, this is a HUGE problem, use SD Insight to check), sometimes a U3 card helps, or who knows what else.
The point is, about half the time switching to completely different card fixes the issue, and since microSD card are cheap, especially at the 16GB-32GB card size, so it's a good place to start.
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replace card.
frenchiveruti said:
Hello everyone, I'm the sad owner of an Osprey terminal (XT1542), it was a gift from my family so I can have a more modern phone and so far it's been more a headache than a good thing.
My problem is that at first I believed it was some random bull**** from the Stock Marshmallow app, using Spotify and trying to download my playlist would end up with my internal storage full because Spotify (and any other app WITH the required permissions to "write" onto the SdCard) couldn't recognize the SD even after it displays it as totally readable, this creates a problem because the camera, the file explorer, even the ADB tool can't write onto the SDCard.
So, after using marshmallow with a 16GB class 10 Kingston SD card I did the following:
Tried every single possible solution to the issue with the vainilla Marshmallow 6.0, that includes formatting the SDcard OUTSIDE the android, different partition size, factory factory reset, nothing.
After failing on that, tried updating marshmallow, Failed, something about the "modem" isn't right on this phone.
So, I did what every XDA user would do, grabbed a brand new Nougat ROM and OGapps mini and installed it on the phone.
I didn't root the phone though....
Failed again, the same issue as before, so "It's the SD CARD YOU MORON" would be the answer here!
Nope. Brand New SDCard replaced with even a newer SDCard (same type) and again, the same issue as before.
As a note if I unmount the SDCard and mount it again via the config>storage option, it becomes "writable" again. For a while...
adb outputs when "push": failed to copy 'log_2017-04-13_OSPREY.txt' to '/storage/4FD8-E1EA/log_2017-04-13_OSPREY.txt': couldn't create file: Read-only file system
So, this leaves us with the simple fact that the issue is... Hardware? Software? Kernel? Maybe if I reset the phone to stock factory fully flashing every single bit of it it would work?
I really need your help in this one guys, thanks for your time.
Greets, let me know if you need any more info or maybe a log on the issue?
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I'm in the same boat as you. Tried lots of different brand new SD cards from different vendors, every time the same bug appears. So the only working solution is STICK TO ANDROID 5.x. For some reason Motorola has screwed up the sdcard driver in the kernel, maybe because introducing new fancy features on 6.x and above. I highly suggest you to install CM 12 and keep it on your phone as long as possible. Unfortunately, there's nothing you can do with it, unless you are a pro kernel developer.
Maybe this will help you.
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I'm in the same boat as you. Tried lots of different brand new SD cards from different vendors, every time the same bug appears. So the only working solution is STICK TO ANDROID 5.x. For some reason Motorola has screwed up the sdcard driver in the kernel, maybe because introducing new fancy features on 6.x and above. I highly suggest you to install CM 12 and keep it on your phone as long as possible. Unfortunately, there's nothing you can do with it, unless you are a pro kernel developer.
Maybe this will help you.
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I finally found someone with the same problem as me! (well, that's bad news for you and me bad at least I'm not the only one with this problem)
So, you tried everything like me and yet no way to make it work? I couldn't test a different "brand" of SDCard but I did try different ones and checked if they were fake ones and still I have the same annoying problem. Damn...
I think yeah I'll have to go down to an android 5 if there's no way to fix this.
I'm wondering if a custom kernel can solve this, but it's really difficult to know the "why" is this happening, and the logcat doesn't help that much to be honest, at least not from the side of knowing where or what to read that could be causing the issue.
Well, this is rather vexing.
I've been hard at work trying to backup / transfer data from my extremely old Samsung Galaxy S5 that seems to be coming to the end of it's useful lifespan. The S7 was next, but aside from running out of internal storage, I thought I still had time on that one (I wasn't experiencing a lot of slowdown or any crashes).
I went out for a couple hours (taking my newer phone), and when I came back, I saw my S7 on the insert the pin code screen. When I put the correct pin code in, the "unlocked padlock" stays on the screen for ages, before the phone restarts and I am shown the pin screen again (if I insert the wrong pin, it says so, so I am sure that I am not inserting the wrong pin).
So for the first time in my life, I am dealing with a spontaneous boot loop. This device has never been rooted, had a custom recovery installed or even the bootloader unlocked (it's the Exynos version, so presumably it would have been possible, but I decided that I wanted *one* unrooted device just in case, and given Knox, I decided that this was the device that will remain unmodded).
Anyway, that's for the story, but the question is, is there anything that I can try before the nuclear option (factory reset etc.).
Fortunately most of the photos are on the MicroSD. There are perhaps two or three apps that I would have liked to backup (they did not have a convenient built-in backup system) but I am just wondering if there is anything I might be able to do at this point? For instance, would wiping the cache be an option? Or is there anything I might be able to do with adb?
(Note: The device is running on Android 7)
Thanks.
Don't set security passwords for device access as you are the one most likely to be locked out.
If the boot loop wasn't caused by a hardware failure it's likely a app you loaded. Launchers and power management apps are prime candidates. Leave at least a couple gb of headroom on internal storage.
A factory reset is the easiest solution. Be careful what you load next time... take out the trash.
Use the SD card as a data drive, all critical data and everything you need for a reload goes here. No apps. Only apps, and the temporary download folder go on the internal memory.
The DCIM folder can be set to the SD card as well, but there can only be one DCIM folder and don't change its name. If a second backup folder is used on the SD card instead do not name it DCIM.
ApkExport can be used to make installable copies of apps for transfering them and added the data drive as well, no Playstore needed.
Do not use Kies or SmartSwitch when going between different type devices or OS versions. It can cause issues.
Cut/paste critical data, verify the data is readable and all there. Don't trust Kies or SmartSwitch with critical data.
Never clone data drives.
Never encrypt data drives.
Regularly redundantly backup the SD card data drive to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC.
Thanks for the reply.
1. No app was recently installed (past couple of weeks)
2. Hardware failure? Maybe, but it is rather out of the blue. Phone has not displayed any unusual behaviour, it hasn't been taken out of the house for a week or so (it is really in the process of getting retired). And I would like to ascertain it.
3. I am aware I can just nuke the whole thing with a factory reset, but before taking that easy option and effectively lose some data I'd like to retrieve if possible, I would like to other options.
And rather than tips on what I should've done or can do next time (much of which I am already doing), I am looking for advice on anything I might be able to try -before- nuking the whole thing.
For instance, could the log-files (there are quite a few of them) provide hint in what went wrong? Any option of re-installing the OS without wiping the data partition? Since I am on a fairly old version of Android I may also have the option of doing a minor update. That kind of things. I am thinking that there might also be the possibility that the system files somehow got corrupted and perhaps a re-install or system update might be worth trying.
I am basically looking for options that will not, for the time being erase the data partition. If it comes down to it in the end, then fine, but that is the last option not the first.
It sounds like it got spontaneously corrupted. Perhaps a flash memory cell failure. If so it may or may not be "self healing" with a factory reset or a reflash.
If you have ADB access you may be able to fix it.
Otherwise your options are limited to what's on the boot menu.
Try doing a hard reboot (simulates pulling battery).
If you try booting it a bunch of times it may go into go safe mode. I've seen that behavior in Android 9.
That's extent of my skills, sorry.
The reason why I posted how to prevent data lose is because sometimes that's all you can do.
Internal memory data I consider expendable, the SD card data... potentially expendable.