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Okay, this will be more of a rant.
So on non-android linux there are about 10000000000 useful, top-notch, cutting-edge, great, perfect and all round ass-kicking programs around. You can download all sorts of crazy super cool stuff for free because the free software and open source software community is producing awesome things. In many cases the open source and/or free alternatives are much better than the proprietary ones. I can't really think of a need when I couldn't find a really great open source library or full program to do the job.
But with android it's different. On Google Play there is all sorts of crap, feature-less and expensive stuff, the free version of a program is typically unmitigated ape****, the reviews/ratings/etc are useless. There are some exceptions like the terminal emulator, or sl4a, but for gods sake where is the geek community here? With fedora/ubuntu/debian/arch/etc we didn't need a centralized crap store and fancy useless ratings/reviews/etc and everything was still wonderful and you could actually get things done. In android, not so. There isn't a single fully functional open source and free GUI for browsing webdav or files over scp, but that's just the latest frustration of mine. Whenever I think of a program I'd love to just search for, download, install and use in 5 minutes which is the norm in a usual linux environment I know in advance that 8 out of 10 cases it won't be that easy on android.
And so where did all the non-free stuff get us? Now everyone is offering crap for money, all ****ty stores incorporate this supposedly to create incentives for developers to innovate because you know, without money there is no innovation at all on the face of this Earth but let's face it, when things were open source and/or free things worked (i.e. ordinary linux) but now they don't. Seems like the model is just not working.
Why can't I have the same linux experience on my bloody phone as the one I have on my laptop and desktop?
Who screwed this up and when?
Can we still fix it?
Android was meant for consumers as an option to the iPhone. Not for people to get all techy with it.
And most Android users ARE simply consumers who want a smartphone with "app and games," internet browser, texting, email, facebook, and calling
Ask that same consumer about computers, and I can almost guarantee they think its a Mac and PC (in which they mean Windows) battle. Mention Linux, and they'll look at you puzzled.
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Android isn't totally open source. Still better than apple though.
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We are not limited to the Play "crap store" since we can sideload .apk files from alternative stores, or from wherever you get them. Also, I wouldn't call the Play store's reviews "useless;" I actually think they're generally helpful, and certainly better than the reviews in the Ubuntu "store."
Also, remember that Google built it's empire on selling advertising, and selling access to analytical data. The general *nix community doesn't have that. That's the difference between "open source" & "free."
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Yes, we don't need to use google play, but how many software packages are out there for android outside of google play? Not many. Certainly orders of magnitude less than ordinary free software available for desktop linux.
I see the fact that google invented android in order to make money, sell ads, etc. That's clear, so I agree with a commenter that android is not really techy from the get go. But why isn't there an ordinary linux based phone? I hear meego is dying, but why is that? Or why isn't there an alternative to meego which follows the ordinary linux philosophy, being community driven, perhaps with a corporate sponsor like redhat or canonical?
The same path that worked for the desktop is currently does not seem to be there for the phone although I'd think it's just another computing platform, not much different after all.
I honestly think we will never see a true open source phone. There are carriers that have to carry that phone and they want users to be able to have the latest and greatest when it comes to their phones and they want it to be easy for them to use. Android & IPhone both offer that experience a full functional Open Source phone would not offer that experience, you would have to build the source from scratch and flash it to your phone which wouldn't be fun for most users. Plus android has the full source code available here http://source.android.com/source/index.html which is how you get Cyanogenmod builds most of the time, they use google source to build that ROM.
tortib said:
I honestly think we will never see a true open source phone.
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The Openmoko-Project has grown very far,
the FreeRunner is pretty cool:
> www.openmoko.org
not only the software development is open, you can already even print your case at home if you own a 3D-printer:
> projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/CaseDesign/
Good day community,
Over the past several months, a few of us have been working on a projerct some may be familiar with. We have bundled an add-on to specific BlueStacks versions to allow for a complete Operating System environment, full of communications tools.
We didn't "develop", any of it. We have taken the time to scour the internet and primarily this site to garner the education, information and knowledge to actually bring it to fruition. We would like to say a big THANK YOU to the entire community here. We feel this is am important piece to a software life-cycle where developed information is compiled into a fully functioning system, exposing your people's craftsmanship.
The motive here is a moral one. I have been a communications engineer for 22 years and have seen and done things I thought weren't possible. I have been tasked with trying to develop an education platform technology matrix for schools. Specifically using my innovation abilities to solve problems. I am not a coder, I am more of a script writer. I have found success in making disparate hardware and software work together, and producing middle-ware scripts and functions to technologically solve challenges. In every sector.
I believe I have identified one of the major issues related to student success rates. Basic communications is hindered in many schools, internet cut out, and dictator like classroom regime. I feel communications is the king of industry and whomever has the information the fastest, cheapest, and accurate, wins. This is proven time and time again in capitalism. I feel students should be able to sms, or exchange pictures and peruse social networks, both to each other and their teachers. These are real-world tools, and the primary back-bone of a child's social life. But students need to learn to be accountable for they digital actions,
This "OS" changes things ever so slightly., not every student can afford the gear required to have that type of communication. If every kid could afford an iphone and ipad, than I don't need to do this project. Android on the other hand, little or no cost at all.
I will be deploying Android for Windows across the board. Students will have to setup a Google account and online storage. Copies of AW can be had for their home computer. The environment is the environment kids all love and use, the emulated touch interface is "cool" and the kids can support it and maintain it mostly themselves, and sync it to their PC phones or other devices, but those are NOT required. And no need to upgrade the PC's for a while, BlueStacks is Linux(ish), it's hardware demands are low, and I can keep the PC's at there current level.
I distribute it on thepratebay, another long story for another day, but this is the best way to ensure it stays out there, and the price is right to be able to push it out to the world. We have tirelessly worked to ensure compatibility with the apps the devs release and I know this particular release of AW has restored many of the items BlueStacks cripples
We have started a mini marketing campaign to drum up interest, although modest. And for you devs, this open an ENTIRE new revenue stream you didn't even have before. Making Android the primary OS used.
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That's the agenda, I would like to open a support thread for it somewhere on here. I have an armada of info, tools, rootkits, tricks and troubleshooting information that we feel can be valuable to the community. I'll get things posted here ASAP. Anyone that has played with this at all before will be able to appreciate all of the challenges we had to solve.
We did not knowingly disassemble or modify any of the original distribution files of any applications, staying in accordance with about every license agreement on earth.
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Looking for some feedback, questions, thoughts, ideas.. have to get 10 posts or something anyway...
Thank you to everyone!
-js
What's the difference between your project and the Android x86 project?
syung said:
What's the difference between your project and the Android x86 project?
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AFAIK Bluestacks has its own VM, so you doesn't need to install Virtual Machine any more.
I used this for a several months and it helps me to try an application without to send it to any Android device.
If you use Android x86 project, yo need to install it inside a Virtual Machine or make a USB Bootable, and as far I know it has limitations in the Play Store. Only some application that supports the architecture can be downloaded..
The Android x86 project is a piece of this absolutely. What BlueStacks is and what they have done is this:
Taken x86 gingerbread and ad an arm translator inside there. This is very unique, all of the other arm emulations fail out there after you even try to put them to the test with heavier use or apps. Basically the compatibility is just not there.
BlueStacks then added the vm player which is the most sophisticated player there is. Network mounts to shared fordler without installing drivers, and opengl support for limited HD graphics.
What we did
BlueStacks also crippled the hell out of the original ROM. All kinds of things missing that had to be put back in piece by piece, and still ensure compatibility. Some things fine to leave out, other maybe useful.
poring over the information, rooting bluestacks came easy, so we rooted every single v7.x of bluestacks, and began the mountain task of building compatibility. The winners are 7.4 for SD and 7.8 for HD. 7.8 handle the interface scrolling operations WAY better than later revisions. I can tell it was after this rev they forced on Surface Pro support, not back checking compatibility. And 7.4 installs on any machine but drops the arm translator. Still a nice product to put on an old machine, but little support for modern apps, and there won't be
Then doing a fair assessment of applications to do all the tasks one needs, file manipulation, printing, music, calling etc, We've spent over 200 hours trying to get a reliable lock screen, failed on that But we got most of it.
Finally adding and getting gapps to fully function was about like trying to drink a beer while standing on your head, it was like a marathon game of whack mole, we'd fix something, then something else friggen slam us over the head. Then we got to writing script, and adding widows apps like virtual keyboards and mouse to basically be able to run the entire OS with 1 finger as if you were Stephen Hawking.
We had an excellent response to the initial concept stuff version 1.1. It held on to around 400 seeders and 1000 user swam for about a week then began to fizzle. We expect that to triple and estimate 100,000 downloads in the first week. It is my opinion thepiratebay is the most accurate source for demand of anything digital, people that keep a copy and seed, actually really like something, versus an artificial "like" that other sites have and profit from. That's all Trip9d0zen stuff, about removing fake values and replacing it with real information exchange freedoms, so actually all financial can get to a creator, don't want to digress to far in this thread, but there is an ideology we have in common with thee twitters and thepitatebay's who have just the extreme basics of censorship, only to ensure safety, but never manipulated the information. We have evidence and models to change current businesses, and put the devs out in-front of these projects (or the artist selected agents). The more systems Android runs on, more success one can have. And Windows being the biggest, hands down, why not?
We feel this is by far the most compatible Android environment one can use, and can actually be used by anyone as an effective tool.
We know full well that once released, the ungodly amount of app work requests will be at its highest, but that's why I am here, where the devs are.. is this a revenue stream they want to suppport,?
I am personally using it exclusively for all my communications, social media and document creation, I only use windows for video playing files.
Hope that helps answer, here is the info to commercials for it, as our lil-1337s eloquently cranked out, smartasses...
youtube search for js99912
-js
It looks interesting, i'll check that up!
Dexcellium said:
It looks interesting, i'll check that up!
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Me too. Thanks
Android for Windows 2.0
new version just went live..... can someone reply with a hot-link, thanks
thepiratebay.sx
/torrent/8440340
Adding Game Data / Mount SDcard.sparse BlueStacks
Ok, I have been asked about this more than anything,
Used to be the SDcard was a .fs file and could be manipulated easy, now it's a bit more involved, but none to difficult.
You need to download:
thepiratebay.sx/
torrent/8453985
This will get you to be able to mount the SDcard.sparsefs as a drive letter in windows... Nothing new, just consolidating info as I have been requested for this more than anything else. Enjoy!
-js
Why are secondary monitor apps so hard to get right?
Hi Android enthusiasts,
I noticed that many of the secondary monitor apps in the Google Play store have terrible ratings. Reading the reviews, it seems that most of the issues are in device compatibility. The largest such app appears to be iDisplay which even promises connectivity over USB for working in coffee shops.
I'm wondering what it is that makes these apps so hard to get right. Is there some inherent technical difficulty that I'm missing? I read one suggestion that the variety of screen resolutions on Android tablets makes this difficult, but I can't see why this is a limitation.
The only reason I can seem might be vendor specific APIs that these apps have to interface with, but I can't see, from my experience, which these would be. It seems the harder bit would be writing drivers for Windows and OSX but that's really only one platform to support, unlike Android.
Another reason might be bandwidth, but surprisingly, this doesn't seem to be a big issue in the reviews.
What do you think? Shouldn't a good app like this be fairly simple to develop?
I'm new to the Tizen world of development. From what I've been hearing, Tizen is so difficult to program for that it veers of your average app developers. Although I'm not one to turn my back on a challenge, it's hard to get some developers to take a serious & practical look at the realm of possibilities of currently unique tech like this.
There are massive notes & flow charts of practical applications for the Samsung GS2 I've created. To have something like the rotating bezel & touchscreen w/two buttons ON YOUR WRIST is device from heaven. Specially if one makes tethered remote access apps between the GS2 & corresponding cellular phone and/or tablet to control and manipulate other devices the GS2 may not be able to directly connect to. The possibilities are phenomenal.
What do developers think about the time and effort in producing a solid app foundation for Tizen's GS2 market? Even if it means massive collaborations and the drops of egos that us developers have from time to time, the payoff may open doors to greater engineering feats. I love to be on the front lines of progression, paving the way for progressive engineering and inspiring engineers to step out & ACT on their version of visions for tomorrow.
The Tizen SDK is buggy and difficult to get all components installed and playing nicely and Tizen is a little harder to code for than Android. I'm still learning the UI code and overall application structure, but slowly getting there.
I do wish more developers would see the potential market and code for it as I see a whole plethora of possibilities, but very few developers. I'm aiming to get my first app complete and to the Gear store in a month or so. I'll gladly share my experiences here for other potential developers, so they don't make the same mistakes or can learn from my experience.
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The Tizen SDK is buggy and difficult to get all components installed and playing nicely and Tizen is a little harder to code for than Android. I'm still learning the UI code and overall application structure, but slowly getting there.
I do wish more developers would see the potential market and code for it as I see a whole plethora of possibilities, but very few developers. I'm aiming to get my first app complete and to the Gear store in a month or so. I'll gladly share my experiences here for other potential developers, so they don't make the same mistakes or can learn from my experience.
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I am interested In learning more about it personally, I am bookish but I'm motivated and I'll do everything I can to learn what's necessary
GOIGIG said:
I am interested In learning more about it personally, I am bookish but I'm motivated and I'll do everything I can to learn what's necessary
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The main thing is to first install the latest Java JDK, not just the JRE, but the full JDK and make sure the environment variables are set correctly. Then install the Tizen SDK and run the update manager. You need to install the certificate and wearable extensions from "Extras", the emulator from "Tizen Tools" and also the relevant tools from the "Wearable 2.3.1" group. Then you can start the IDE (a version of Eclipse) and select a simple example (choose ), try to compile it and run it with the emulator. You need to start the emulator and make sure it's in the "connected devices" area before running the app.
Be aware that the emulator uses a lot of processing power and can run slowly.
There are a number of different types of app you can build for the S2, native or web with different UI components / frameworks.
A good starting point: http://developer.samsung.com/gear
If you want to test your app on your actual S2, this is a great guide: http://www.tizenexperts.com/2015/12/how-to-deploy-to-gear-s2-smartwatch/
If you generate an author certificate, you can use the same one for the GearWatchDesigner, but that app has different Java requirements (32-bit JRE only required).
Focus motion
Oobly said:
The Tizen SDK is buggy and difficult to get all components installed and playing nicely and Tizen is a little harder to code for than Android. I'm still learning the UI code and overall application structure, but slowly getting there.
I do wish more developers would see the potential market and code for it as I see a whole plethora of possibilities, but very few developers. I'm aiming to get my first app complete and to the Gear store in a month or so. I'll gladly share my experiences here for other potential developers, so they don't make the same mistakes or can learn from my experience.
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hi, there is a free sdk from a company called focus motion , which allows auto recognize the movements made with the smart watch .
Someone would be able to make a test app for samsung gear s2 ?
i don't think so
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I'm new to the Tizen world of development. From what I've been hearing, Tizen is so difficult to program for that it veers of your average app developers. Although I'm not one to turn my back on a challenge, it's hard to get some developers to take a serious & practical look at the realm of possibilities of currently unique tech like this.
There are massive notes & flow charts of practical applications for the Samsung GS2 I've created. To have something like the rotating bezel & touchscreen w/two buttons ON YOUR WRIST is device from heaven. Specially if one makes tethered remote access apps between the GS2 & corresponding cellular phone and/or tablet to control and manipulate other devices the GS2 may not be able to directly connect to. The possibilities are phenomenal.
What do developers think about the time and effort in producing a solid app foundation for Tizen's GS2 market? Even if it means massive collaborations and the drops of egos that us developers have from time to time, the payoff may open doors to greater engineering feats. I love to be on the front lines of progression, paving the way for progressive engineering and inspiring engineers to step out & ACT on their version of visions for tomorrow.
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i don't think so! tizen very easy to dev
Some help
Hey guys,
I'm actually currently building an Android app to work with the Gear S2 based on the Integrated App model.
But I'm having some issues, as soon as I build my APK and deploy it in debug mode on the mobile phone, the OS immediately says there is no Samsung Gear app and uninstalls the APK.
Does anyone know how to get passed this?
I'm posting here because I can't post at the development forum.
With the advent of cellphone addiction, the market for dumbphones has increased. People looking for ways to end their addiction to social media and gaming are supporting projects like Light Phone and Mudita Pure.
Unfortunately, these devices are pricy due to the relatively low demand and the fact that they are not produced in China.
I believe that there's a big opportunity for those developers looking forward to starting something new, like creating a "Dumb" Android version with less complexity, that would have only basic and productivity features such as:
Call, SMS, flashlight, camera, calculator, shopping list (todo list), hotspot only (no mobile data or wifi on the phone), music player.
Must not have: playstore, browser
Name suggestions: DumbDroid, AA, Antidote
I hope someone reads this and brings this idea to life.
Thanks :fingers-crossed:
@tijuco2
You are confusing Android OS - including device drivers - and applications, IMHO.
And, it's on the user to decide what applications lastly are installed ( used ) on an Android device.
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@tijuco2
You are confusing Android OS - including device drivers - and applications, IMHO.
And, it's on the user to decide what applications lastly are installed ( used ) on an Android device.
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I'm not a developer. I know what the demand is, not how to achieve what I suggested. I'm talking about addiction when the user lost the ability to control their impulse.