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[KERNEL][GB][GT-S7500][DISCONTINUED] LoxKernel

Hello everyone
I present to you a new available kernel for SGAP.
Let the features:
Based on BlackBurner's sources
Flag optimized (-march=armv7-a -mfpu=neon -O2)
BLN support
ZRAM (128MB, swappiness=35)
Init.d Support
Frandom Generator (linked /dev/random & /dev/urandom to /dev/frandom)
Governors:
Performace
Ondemand
PegasusQ
SavagedZen
Lagfree
Intellidemand2
InteractiveX2 (Backported)
SmartassH3 (Backported)​
Schedulers:
SIO
ROW (Backported)
noop
deadline
cfq​
Added Under Volt
Added OC
Download:
Test Build 2.16.4 (new experimental features)
New Features:
Based on pure Samsung's souces
LMK backported from kernel 3.11.x
Implemented fast charger
Added BFS
Added BFQ scheduler v6r2
Included some tweaks:
zipalign every boot
sqlite optimization
seeder
kernel (from sources)
vm (from sources)
I/O (from sources)
minfree and adj (from sources)​
Stable Build 2.15 Build 2
Build Stable : <version>.<release>
Build Test: <version>.<release>.<build>
Bug
- FC using antutu benchmark and subway surfers (WIP)
Fixes:
Fix swappiness (there's a problem in path, fixed in the next build)​
Installation:
Download zip file and copy to sdcard
Flash zip from CWM recovery
Download BLN Control app from PlayStore to control BLN
Github: https://github.com/loxdegio/GT_S7500_LoxKernel_trebon
WIPS
USB-OTG support
backport new adreno 200 driver​
I don't assume any responsibility if your phone explodes, suicide, go away with your girl/boy-friend or any other stuff.
Do not flash on anything else than an GT-S7500! No L model , W model or T model, else you get a shiny brick.
FLASH AT YOUR OWN RISK.

[KERNEL][GB][GT-S7500] LoxKernel
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1. Download links not working.
2. Where are your sources? (GPL licence)

jrohwer said:
1. Download links not working.
2. Where are your sources? (GPL licence)
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link fixed, added github source.

Wow! First under volting kernel for ace plus. Is UV + OC stable?

mon_iker said:
Wow! First under volting kernel for ace plus. Is UV + OC stable?
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yep.....try it

thats great
will test it when i will revert to gb @loxdegio
can we get a kernel 3.0.xx for cm

vickyg.coolest said:
thats great
will test it when i will revert to gb @loxdegio
can we get a kernel 3.0.xx for cm
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he still working on a cm 7.2 ......maybe after

imre85 said:
he still working on a cm 7.2 ......maybe after
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i think there is no need of cm 7.2 as we have cm 10.1 and cm 10 and may be we will get cm 10.2 also

vickyg.coolest said:
i think there is no need of cm 7.2 as we have cm 10.1 and cm 10 and may be we will get cm 10.2 also
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you're right but we need to learn....

imre85 said:
you're right but we need to learn....
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oh yeah.. of course
anyway great work

imre85 said:
he still working on a cm 7.2 ......maybe after
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cm7.2 ? That's amazing news. I tried to port it but it didn't work out as I expected. Good luck with building @loxdegio
Sent from my GT-S7500 using xda app-developers app

daniel98 said:
cm7.2 ? That's amazing news. I tried to port it but it didn't work out as I expected. Good luck with building @loxdegio
Sent from my GT-S7500 using xda app-developers app
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i think he's working only on a cm7 kernel...

mon_iker said:
Wow! First under volting kernel for ace plus. Is UV + OC stable?
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Yes! Everything is stable and tested for some day before to be released (it's the aim of Test Builds ) But I have to manipulate directly code in sources in order to apply UV 'cause our device platform doesn't have the voltage controller
If I made mistakes i'm sorry, but i haven't practised my English for 3 years (4 this year) I'm a little rusty

downloading ProbleM,,,
bro, i am unable to download your kernel from any of the links given bro.... i am very exicited to use your kernel but i have tried alot to download your kernel but i am unable to download it....i have tried almostevery link u have given..!!!!!!!!
hoping for new working link!!!!

Gurtej Sandhu said:
bro, i am unable to download your kernel from any of the links given bro.... i am very exicited to use your kernel but i have tried alot to download your kernel but i am unable to download it....i have tried almostevery link u have given..!!!!!!!!
hoping for new working link!!!!
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there you go
and i would like to report that with this kernel i m getting real slow int connection almost nothing by the way that your rom Aces_Droid_Plus is an art peace :good:

so... this works with any GB based ROM?
and are there any bugs?
P.S. well im testing it now with inspiration v17.1 and it works very well... but there is a big problem. Some apps that require SuperUser acces just don't work; for example "Seeder" app from that rom asks for permission but the app says the device could not be rooted properly. For the moment is the only app that has this problem with this kernel but there could be more

ShadowsDie said:
so... this works with any GB based ROM?
and are there any bugs?
P.S. well im testing it now with inspiration v17.1 and it works very well... but there is a big problem. Some apps that require SuperUser acces just don't work; for example "Seeder" app from that rom asks for permission but the app says the device could not be rooted properly. For the moment is the only app that has this problem with this kernel but there could be more
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Well the problem is only with this app and i found somenthing in the "Seeder's" thread.
some people have the same problems using custom kernels and a guy says that the kernel developer has to make a frandom fix.
well i don't know what is that so i can fix it myself :laugh:

Does this kernel have any bugs?
Sent from my GT-S7500 using xda app-developers app

[KERNEL][3.4.5][BETA]Kash Kernel V1.0

Introducing you to the first ever Custom Kernel for Micromax A110Q Canvas 2 Plus!
WARNING:
I or xda is not responsible for any kind of damage to your device. Please use it at your own risk!
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FEATURES:
Swap Support Added
Added config.gz support
Clean Cache Enabled
CIFS network file system support
LZMA Compression for zImage and Gzip for ramdisk..
Enhanced hw composer.
NTFS support.
VM Dirty ratio tweaks.
Battery drop fixed. Works perfectly
Added frandom driver.
Added Ramzswap support.
Optimized apply_slack() for size and speed
Faster NOATIME and NODIRATIME mounting flags
Enabled Dynamic Filesync Control 2.0
Lock the initial TCP window size to 64K
Asynchronous I/O latency to a solid-state disk greatly increased
Enabled ARCH_POWER
Added cdrom option to UMS-lun-devices (you can now use this app: Link)
Enabled SELinux and Full support for Android 4.4
Compile vfp with neon
MTK Vermagic Hack
Various ext4 patches
ACPI sysfs.c strlen fix
Fixed memory leak on extending regions
Random: Entropy tweaks
Tune conservative for performance
New governors added:
Smartass2
LulzactiveQ
PegasusQ
ZZMOOVE
NIGHTMARE
SAKURACTIVE
InteractiveX
Intellidemand
New IO Schedulers added
ROW
ZEN
FIOPS
FIFO
VR
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Bugs:
Some display related problems
Please report bugs in the Bugs Report section!
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Install Instructions:
Make a full backup of your current ROM.
Place the kernel zip in sdcard and reboot to recovery.
Mount /system.
Install kernel zip and reboot!
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Changelog:
VERSION 1.0:
Boot! (built from A116 Custom source with all features).
Almost everything working
If you want to include this kernel on your rom, please include a link to this thread in the OP.
Thanks.
Download Links:
Please read instructions before flashing!
Kash Kernel V1.0 (BETA 1)
Source: https://github.com/kashifmin/KashKernel_4.2
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CREDITS:
@banjo0917
@varun.chitre15
@Dr-Shadow
@GuneetAtwal (for patches)
@[email protected] and @digyvijaykumar123
All members of A110Q FB group for their support and testing
XDA:DevDB Information
[KERNEL][3.4.5]Kash Kernel for A110Q, a Kernel for the Micromax Canvas 2 Plus A110Q
Contributors
kashifmin, kashifmin
Kernel Special Features:
Version Information
Status: Beta
Current Beta Version: V1.0
Created 2014-04-11
Last Updated 2014-04-11

KashKernel and Revert Patches for Custom ROMs
Kernel Download Links for Custom ROMs: (All credits to @digyvijaykumar123 )
--------------ROM--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KASH KERNEL PATCH---------------------------REVERT PATCH
COLOR OS V1.2------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
COLOR OS(akaks09)--------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
XOS V1& V2---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
MIVO V1--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
MIVO V2 VIBE UI------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
STOCK BEAST-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
STOCK V1------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
STOCK V3------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
SGALAXY V1-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
SGALAXY V2---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
XPERIA FUSION FINAL------------------------------------------------------------------------ DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
XPERIA FUSION-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
LEWA OS 5------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
CM 10.2------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
CM 11-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ALREADY ADDED IN v0.2----------------------------------------
OMNI----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
PURE-XPERIA---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
NOTE 3-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
XTREAM-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
MIUIv5_4.3.24----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DOWNLOAD----------------------------------------DOWNLOAD
PAC-MAN-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ALREADY ADDED IN NEW UPLOADED CHD_TO_A110Q PATCH------------------------

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The thing we were waiting for is finally HERE..........thankyou kashifmin

Great work mate....And thanks for your support

Great Work
Very Very Very Big Thanks

Great work dude
Sent from my IRIS 504q using Tapatalk

great work dude
good work dude

these options still unavailable...in whch kernel are they available?

BUG
when i switch the screen off.. it doesnt actually turn off.. the backlight is on... but is totally black..
anyway to replace the stock kernel please?

Another Bug
when i leave the screen off for sometime... then turn it back on it doesnt.... never had this problem before..
please upload a flashable zip to restore stock kernel
thanks

abhimanyu bajaj said:
when i switch the screen off.. it doesnt actually turn off.. the backlight is on... but is totally black..
anyway to replace the stock kernel please?
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See second post for revert Patches

digyvijaykumar123 said:
see second post for revert patches
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thanks a lot man

what about overclocking cpu and gpu?
and which one to apply to miui 4.3.24?

rxlord said:
what about overclocking cpu and gpu?
and which one to apply to miui 4.3.24?
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Can you give me boot.img and system/lib/"module" folder of miui 4.3.24 so i will create its kernel patch and revert patch.
And over-clocking is not available right now,currently we are looking for stable version.

Revert patch link for pure xperia is not working ....

Link for miui boot.img and mods
www.passivedivision.ml/MIUI_v5_4.3.zip
And can u make a darky kernal patch for miui too
Sent from my C2305 using xda app-developers app

rxlord said:
Link for miui boot.img and mods
www.passivedivision.ml/MIUI_v5_4.3.zip
And can u make a darky kernal patch for miui too
Sent from my C2305 using xda app-developers app
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Kash kernel is Fully stable now with 0 bugs.So i am again uploading patches for all roms.
I am adding miui in the list.....

Great Work...
Good work bro, till now I didn't found any bug and kernel is working fine with color os v1.2.:good::good:
But still performance on kernel can be increased as antutu and quadrant score were bit low.

good
digyvijaykumar123 said:
See second post for revert Patches
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Good work bro

[DISCONTINUED][CM-11-20160111][KERNEL][10-02-2016] MF Kernel v1.0

I had sold my Nokia X2 and stop support for Nokia X2
Hi all! Today, i was built a kernel with some tweak
and now i will share it to you
MK Kernel v1.0
Code:
Only for CM-11-20160111
Code:
Tweak:
-Added some CPU Governor: intellimm, intelliactive, optimax, intellidemand, conservative
-Added some I/O Scheduler: sio, zen, vr, fifo, sioplus
Code:
Download: [URL="http://d-h.st/AWXy"]http://d-h.st/AWXy[/URL]
Code:
Flashing:
download the .img, reboot to recovery, select: Install > Image > choose .img>Boot> slide right to flash > reboot system and enjoy
about CPU Governor and I/O Scheduler, read here for more information
Thanks to @zombah
Kernel version: 3.4.110
Compiled with Sabermod 4.7 Toolchain
Source: https://github.com/cm-nokia-x2

Up

Add some features to it, like double-tap to wake up support,init.d support,

is it good ???
how I can install it

Thanks bro

Wölveîne said:
Add some features to it, like double-tap to wake up support,init.d support,
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of course. i'm trying to add this https://github.com/ryanaepple/android_kernel_motoe/commit/080003bc8e61349bf7c8da00fa6923f3c84d1927

Good Work! +Smartv2 governor

Could I flash this kernel for xperience ROM? Would I be able to get any benefits?

kaotd99 said:
of course. i'm trying to add this https://github.com/ryanaepple/android_kernel_motoe/commit/080003bc8e61349bf7c8da00fa6923f3c84d1927
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Thnx,and make it more advance
And our kernal supports init.d? Or not

Wölveîne said:
Thnx,and make it more advance
And our kernal supports init.d? Or not
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cm11's kernel is already support init.d. we don't need to add it more

kaotd99 said:
cm11's kernel is already support init.d. we don't need to add it more
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Oky,then is it possible to get Native Move To Sd support via some modifications?

whether it can for another rom-based CM11?

user explaination please :cyclops::cyclops:

So whats now?,there's a new build 13 available-you need to recompile kernel for this build.and also viperfx,dolby digital plus too as in the new version there are several fixes in the framework!!

Wölveîne said:
So whats now?,there's a new build 13 available-you need to recompile kernel for this build.and also viperfx,dolby digital plus too as in the new version there are several fixes in the framework!!
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in build no 13 I have tried DDP v2 and the old mod of disable internal memory and it did work for me

any one help me please
how I install this

sweezit92 said:
in build no 13 I have tried DDP v2 and the old mod of disable internal memory and it did work for me
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It will work but there is a probability of low performance, bcz there are new framwork service. Jar etc if we flash old then it will be mixed with our new update.mixing old part of system with new ,not good

Wölveîne said:
It will work but there is a probability of low performance, bcz there are new framwork service. Jar etc if we flash old then it will be mixed with our new update.mixing old part of system with new ,not good
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Yes i agree but as long we dont have updated file we cant use those features......that is why i mix these things
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Saged 22 said:
how I install this
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Your question is not clear buddy....there are whole lot of things to install so which thing you want to install?

My SD card Could not be detected after I flashed this kernel?

shafiaszad said:
My SD card Could not be detected after I flashed this kernel?
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use it without disable internal memory mod!

[DEV][TWRP][KERNEL][OC][CM11]Samurai Kernel for Samsung Galaxy Y GT-S5360

Samurai Kernel for Samsung Galaxy Y GT-S5360​
About Samurai Kernel:
Samurai kernel is just a modded kernel built from the androidarmv6 source, with its features performance will bring improvements to ROM experience
Note: I'm still a learner, this is the only kernel I dared to publish on XDA
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Features:
--Kernel version updated to 2.6.35.14
--Patched via several patches to make improvement on I/O operations
--Comes with latest TWRP 3.x (thanks to @mohammad.afaneh for this)
--New Governors
--New I/O schedulers
--Modded modules
--Aroma installer for reverting back to stock
Freqs:
156 Mhz
312 Mhz
468 Mhz
624 Mhz
832 Mhz
1124 Mhz(OC)
New Governors:
OndemandX
InteractiveX
Lionheart
Lagfree
Savagedzen
Scary
Smartass2
Smoothass
New I/O Schedulers:
-zen
-sio
-vr
Downloads:
Download Section
Notice:
This kernel is still at experimental stage, if you find any new bugs, feel free to report, but dont PM for issues, let the bugs reveal publicly, help me to develop it, be gentle
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Credits:
-My Almighty
-psyke83 and androidarmv6 team
[email protected] for answering my noob questions and guiding me, and for his twrp port for LDPI
-Team ARM core
-knone1
​
XDA:DevDB Information
Samurai OC Kernel for totoro, Kernel for the Samsung Galaxy Y GT-S5360
Contributors
raisul2010.5396
Source Code: https://github.com/thedeadfish59/samurai-kernel
Kernel Special Features: OC
Version Information
Status: Beta
Current Beta Version: v1.0
Beta Release Date: 2016-10-23
Created 2016-10-23
Last Updated 2017-12-30

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FAQ and Settings
FAQ
Q: Can I flash it on CM7?
A: No You cant, ramdisk aren't modified to run on cm7
Q: Is the OC actually works?
A: Never ask, but will surely give better performance than stock cm11
Q: I hate this kernel, can I go back to stock cm11 jenkins kernel now?
A: Of course! GO to recovery, flash my kernel AROMA installer but select Cyanogenmod kernel, it will let you install jenkins kernel again, you can get your stock modules too!
Q: Which governor is suitable?
A: Your choice, but for best performance, choose PERFORMANCE or SMARTASS2 or LAGFREE
(More to come )
Settings to remove call delay as much possible:
Choose max clock as 1124 and min clock as 832

cm compatible?

is it stock. does it support cynogen mode?

PREMOLIKES said:
is it stock. does it support cynogen mode?
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it only for cm11. i think it is not compatible with another rom

PREMOLIKES said:
cm compatible?
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PREMOLIKES said:
is it stock. does it support cynogen mode?
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phucdeptraililom said:
it only for cm11. i think it is not compatible with another rom
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Its tested and working on cm11/cmx11 , not for cm7 or stock, check the post #3

great work bro
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waiting for cooperve release

sohamsen said:
great work bro
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waiting for cooperve release
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After exam

is this compatible on galaxy y s6102?

Jay4ü said:
is this compatible on galaxy y s6102?
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no only 5360

please reupload, link is dead.

link is dead, anyone have a copy? Tq

bijixda said:
link is dead, anyone have a copy? Tq
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Kinda sad how old devices used to have great roms but now the links are all rotten and the devs have moved on.

Working link

[Kernel][DT2W]PixlernBlitz Kernel For K3 Note (K50a40)

Hello K3 Note users here i present you the PixlernBlitz Kernel
This kernel compiled by me from sources for K3 Note.This kernel is based on source code of Renice Kernel Sources by Sandeep Sethi.
I made some modification to kernel to make it run smooth that why i called this kernel as Blitz Kernel .i must thanks Daniel_hk for fixing the official kernel sources and Sandeep Sethi for the kernel compiling guide.
NOTE PLS USE OREO KERNEL IF YOU USE OREO AND NOUGAT KERNEL IF YOU USE NOUGAT
FEATURES:-
RENICE GOV
BLITZ GOV
KCAL
WireGuard Support
AND MANY MORE
CHANGELOG :
V1
Added fastcharge
Added led
V2
Added whelty and alucard
V3
Disabled lenovo thermal
Added ThunderQuake Engine
Added DT2W
V4
Oreo Support
Added KCAL
Added Renice Governor
Added Blitz Gov
HOW TO USE THIS :
First take a backup of boot in twrp is a must before flashing this kernel
Download the Blitz_Kernel.zip
Flash the zip using TWRP recovery
Reboot to system and enjoy!!!!!!!
Useful Information:-
Some Faced Problems in understanding so Sandeep Sethi made a video tutorial Here
CREDITS:
@daniel_hk for fixing the source
@sandeep.sethi for kernel guide and sources
@varun.chitre15 for his thunder modules
@osm0sis for his AnyKernel template
@venkat pinnamani for fixing error and commits
Download Link:-
NOUGAT KERNEL
OREO KERNEL
XDA:DevDB Information
Kernel [DT2W][6.0+] PixlernBlitz, Kernel for the Lenovo K3 Note
Contributors
blitzfire3, sandeep.sethi, daniel_hk
Source Code: http://github.com/PainKiller3
Kernel Special Features: Fast Charge,Governor,KCAL
Version Information
Status: Stable
Current Stable Version: V4
Stable Release Date: 2018-07-03
Created 2016-12-06
Last Updated 2018-07-03

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what mod you made on this kernel? because all feature is the same as renice.

locolyric said:
what mod you made on this kernel? because all feature is the same as renice.
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i will add some features soon

this kernel also come with your rom?
or we need to flash this patch separately?

What's the kernel version?

blitzfire3 said:
i will add some features soon
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So, you posted unchanged Renice rom under your name because you will edit it *in the future*?!

locolyric said:
this kernel also come with your rom?
or we need to flash this patch separately?
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If u want to use on other rom flash the patch

adikri said:
What's the kernel version?
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. 103

komer said:
So, you posted unchanged Renice rom under your name because you will edit it *in the future*?!
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-_-

Good job mate..

Hello blitzfire3, can you prepare a kernel for miui8 based on android 5.0.2 for Lenovo k3 note which has fast charge and led both?

gtech9 said:
Hello blitzfire3, can you prepare a kernel for miui8 based on android 5.0.2 for Lenovo k3 note which has fast charge and led both?
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Sure but Soon

blitzfire3 said:
Sure but Soon
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Thanks! How soon can you do this favor mate?

locolyric said:
what mod you made on this kernel? because all feature is the same as renice.
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Added More feature see the changelog now

gtech9 said:
Thanks! How soon can you do this favor mate?
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Approx 2-3 days

blitzfire3 said:
Approx 2-3 days
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That's really great! Thanks! Hope it will have all other things like for example Audio, led, dt2w etc etc working. Asking because in all present kernels only fast charge is badly missing.

gtech9 said:
That's really great! Thanks! Hope it will have all other things like for example Audio, led, dt2w etc etc working. Asking because in all present kernels only fast charge is badly missing.
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Yup fast charge shuold be added

using v6 right now. i do see all vr, sow scheduler added. Butt i found thunderquake and hotplug were not implement.
and i/o scheduler are fix to cfq , i am unable to choose any other than that.