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Granted there are glaring inaccuracies in this article, but the woman who was blocked was using a droid X. Anyone seen this yet on their phones?
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/verizon_blocks_hotspot_tethering_for_jailbroken_de.php
I laughed reading this article. We've had people here using 40+ gb and weren't moved. I have no worries with mine.
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The fact that they use the word jailbroken throughout the entire article throws it credibility out the window for me.
I have ginger bread and tether with wireless tether app beta 3.2 works perfect and full speed
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Verizon knows if you're tethering or not. So far they haven't chosen to do anything about it, but if you read your contract (actually read it) you'll see that they can really screw you if they want to, and you'll get no reach around...
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Verizon knows if you're tethering or not. So far they haven't chosen to do anything about it, but if you read your contract (actually read it) you'll see that they can really screw you if they want to, and you'll get no reach around...
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Exactly, my reason for posting this was to see if anyone had started getting screwed....
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Verizon knows if you're tethering or not. So far they haven't chosen to do anything about it, but if you read your contract (actually read it) you'll see that they can really screw you if they want to, and you'll get no reach around...
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How do they know?
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How do they know?
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They can monitor from software in the Android OS built into the stock VZW rom and sometimes watching the network traffic can point to good clues also
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They can monitor from software in the Android OS built into the stock VZW rom and sometimes watching the network traffic can point to good clues also
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So, that means if we are using a custom rom then they can only know by watching network traffic?
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They can monitor from software in the Android OS built into the stock VZW rom and sometimes watching the network traffic can point to good clues also
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Is it even legal for them to monitor your phone in such a way? The ROM bit, that is.
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VZW knows because I doubt that your phone has IE to browse the web, or Safari for that matter, and other such things can tell them quite easily if you are tethering or not, disregarding the amount of data transferred. Add in the amount of data transferred, and you kind of stick out like a sore thumb when you're tethering.
Also, the hotspot monitoring stuff on the phone doesn't do anything besides watch to see if you are tethering illegally or not, so I'm pretty sure that if you did try to press the legality point of view, they'd come back and dig into whether or not you were tethering, cause odds are, if you are bringing up this point, it is for a reason.
I came from the Droid X and with the GB update and the baseband update they can now tell if you are tethering. Verizon warned the devs and the devs took notice for the moto roms. Those devs no longer provide nor will endorse root tethering apps. There was something about liability issues so the devs are abiding by Verizon's wishes. They are telling all that if you want to tether, pay the monthly fee for the service. Therefore; when the Charge gets the official GB update with baseband, tether at your own risk if you are not paying for it.
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IMNUTS is correct. When you are using a tethering app, your data packets are preceeded with a special code that identifies that packet as being tethered. Verizon is now monitoring these. Black Hat had a hack that yoy could change that code, but they removed that a long time ago for obvious reasons. They now suggest not using it and just pay the money for tethering. This is why devs are no longer including the root tethering apps to give free tethering with their roms anymore. Too much risk to them personally for something that most do for fun.
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VZ most definitely can tell when you are tethering, though by using custom roms/kernels and using disguised tethering apps it just makes it less obvious... I doubt they're really gonna care tbh unless you're hitting some ridiculous number like say 30+ gigs a month, cuz seriously just using the phone normally it shouldn't be that high. From there they can choose to throttle your data speeds or drop your unlimited data plan altogether... also there is no way around this as they block/slow data server-side so its under their control
tl;dr they can almost 100% tell you're tethering and might take action, but probably won't unless you're retarded and pulling in a hundred gigs a month in PHONE data
I only tether when I'm on business or somewhere for a while that doesn't have wifi. So I use less than 2g of data a month. I doubt they'd hunt me down, some of these people who tether 15+ gigs a month may have issues soon.
nobody happen to read the pdf posted in the comments of that site? Apparently Verizon cannot restrict you of downloading a tether program and using the data as such. When Verizon purchased the 700mhz spectrum for their LTE service they agreed they would not " deny, limit, or restrict the ability of
[its] customers to use the devices and applications of their choice". To me that sounds like Verizon is stepping outside their rights... However we end users agreeing to their terms and services might negate that all together.
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Is it even legal for them to monitor your phone in such a way? The ROM bit, that is.
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when you blindly sign a contract they can generally do as they please, you have a choice but the alternative is to not have a cell phone :/
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nobody happen to read the pdf posted in the comments of that site? Apparently Verizon cannot restrict you of downloading a tether program and using the data as such. When Verizon purchased the 700mhz spectrum for their LTE service they agreed they would not " deny, limit, or restrict the ability of
[its] customers to use the devices and applications of their choice". To me that sounds like Verizon is stepping outside their rights... However we end users agreeing to their terms and services might negate that all together.
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this goes back to the contract as well you can use whatever program you want but when it comes to using their network its their rules
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when you blindly sign a contract they can generally do as they please, you have a choice but the alternative is to not have a cell phone :/
this goes back to the contract as well you can use whatever program you want but when it comes to using their network its their rules
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true, but fact is they are not following their agreement to the company they purchased the service from. Also, in verizon's contract they state if they change their service in anyway that has a negative impact on your account\service you are free to opt out of their contract free of charge (so I read back when tier data was being set forth). That being said blocking tethering might be a plausible reason for early termination of contract, legally.
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when you blindly sign a contract they can generally do as they please, you have a choice but the alternative is to not have a cell phone :/
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Not necessarily... The contract's terms still have to be legal, and their conduct regarding that contract has to be legal.
If you sign a contract to kill someone wanting to commit suicide and you follow through with it, you are still lawfully going to be tried for murder.
Verizon is still subject to privacy laws, regardless of what the contract says. I think even if they know you are tethering, which at this point seems more like an educated guess, I don't know if they can really be too audacious with reprimanding people. There's a whole mess of legal implications stemming from the aforementioned agreement when they purchased that spectrum that I think they're not willing to taunt just yet, if ever.
There is a kernel module that is in the code that specifies tethering or not. You can't use wifi without the module, as I already tried. There is a by-pass that is being used on the Fascinate, but we haven't had any confirmation about whether it works or not, and I'm not going to go through the trouble of implementing an un-proven work around just so people can tether illegally. If you want to tether, take the risk of getting caught, or pay $30.
Does anyone know of a good app that would allow me to send/receive texts on my PC (via wifi/USB) from my phone? I've found two thus far, DesktopSMS and DroidMessenger, but both seem to severely limit features unless you buy them. So I guess my real question is does anyone know of an app that does this... FO FREE?
Support the devs...desktop sms is done by koush (rom manager, clockwork recovery) he deserves it!
So just buy desktop sms!
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The thing is I'm a broke college student, and I hate spending money on stuff like this unless the developer truly deserves it. Sounds like this one does, however, going to buy now. Thanks for the heads up.
Check out MyPhoneExplorer in market.
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^ Will do. I've already purchased a license for the app that Jimmy mentioned, but it's only a year license, which I'm not too happy about. For those looking to help support the creator of Clockworkmod, the app is called DeskSMS, and not DesktopSMS (which exists).
It's $5/year, which is probably not a lot for most of you, and I know I'll be called cheap here but I have extremely limited finances. Very good app, by the way, but I don't understand the necessity for re-purchasing it.
$5 a year is a very reasonable price for a non-battery-draining app that can send you email/gtalk messages or you can even access the web interface to. I've also used easysms which was a battery hog and only worked locally, but DeskSMS by far deserves the $5 a year (for server costs etc). You probably lose more money in change a year than that.
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The thing is I'm a broke college student, and I hate spending money on stuff like this unless the developer truly deserves it. Sounds like this one does, however, going to buy now. Thanks for the heads up.
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I fully agree will u, I am not much of a supporter of fly by night devs and apps, but the ones who deserve it I will alwaya buy if its something I will use. Koush always puts out quality stuff and aside from from chains's superuser app I think he is second as far as installs on ALMOST EVERY rooted android device.
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$5 a year is a very reasonable price for a non-battery-draining app that can send you email/gtalk messages or you can even access the web interface to. I've also used easysms which was a battery hog and only worked locally, but DeskSMS by far deserves the $5 a year (for server costs etc). You probably lose more money in change a year than that.
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If I had a job, then yes, $5/year wouldn't be much to worry about. However, I literally have to watch every dollar I spend. Also, I always keep my change and get it cashed in bills after I've collected a certain amount, so I see your point but it doesn't apply to me.
While using the app, I seem to be losing connection from the web interface even while the app is opened on my phone. My phone is connected to the wifi, but I still seem to lose the connection. Would you have any idea why?
install droidexplorer on your pc. connect phone to pc and go to tools/plugins/screencast.
you will have your android screen on your desktop with full functionality(everything but video)
and dosnt drain batt actually charges while usb'd to pc
you can also use your pc keyboard for all the functions including typing text.
right clicking the window on your pc rotates screen. fullscreen is better quality.lags a bit but its free
So for whatever reason Verizon and AT&T decided to remove the Smart Manager app. The weird thing it looks like it is still on our phones under application manager. Is it just blocked from showing up in the app tray? Not that I would probably really use it but it's still annoying.
Same way for other features as well. Stock Samsung browser is gone. We'll likely never be able to get them on Verizon, because it will take root. I won't say root is unlikely...but it's as close as a zero percent chance as you can get. Verizon is the cellular dictator
What makes it harder for me to swallow is that I can't figure out why they remove some of this stuff....take away the free 100gb online storage? Okay I understand that because they replaced it with their paid version
I agree. It takes features away when we're not given the stock options
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What makes it harder for me to swallow is that I can't figure out why they remove some of this stuff....take away the free 100gb online storage? Okay I understand that because they replaced it with their paid version
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You can still get the free storage. Install one drive from the play store
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Hello everyone,
I've been hopping around, trying to do some research on this but decided to make a post to confirm and also in hopes of informing others.
Is it true that once rooting the Note 5, we permanently lose Samsung Pay abilities due to tripping the KNOX meter?
Thanks!
Yes, the way Samsung designed Samsung pay is to make it as secure as possible, and unfortunately that includes blocking access on modded devices. Is there a way around this? I belive it would have to involve tricking Knox and I don't think it will be easy.
With that said, the galaxy s6 had a root that didn't trip knox. Even still, had to be extremely careful after that with flashing roms and such but it was b possible.
It's really the only thing that's going to make me think twice about rooting.
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Indeed. I know there are alternatives like PayPal but what about Android Pay? Will we still be able to use that as an alternative, after root?
I dug around the Korean Samsung pay apk that's floating around and I found where it's doing that check, it's just a matter of disabling it and seeing it it works. Also, the string says something to the effect of "this application won't work on rooted devices for security, please unroot your device to use Samsung pay". Notice it says unroot. We'll see what the reality is when we get our hands on the final US apk.
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This is my only concern at this point. While I don't know for sure how much if at all I'll be using Samsung Pay, I don't want to root and trip Knox quite yet so I can at least try it when it's released.
You guys are exactly in my situation. I want root but i think samsung pay might be a nice feature.. speacially sonce it works anywhere eith a card reader, not just tap and go.. only if they swipe only. Some how samsung pay still works... thats awesome
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You guys are exactly in my situation. I want root but i think samsung pay might be a nice feature.. speacially sonce it works anywhere eith a card reader, not just tap and go.. only if they swipe only. Some how samsung pay still works... thats awesome
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It has a magnet that emukayes your cards magnetic strip
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It has a magnet that emukayes your cards magnetic strip
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All i know is thats awsome
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What about if we used root cloak and or Xprivacy on xposed to hide detection of root or somthing? Maybe somone needs to create an app like root cloak that his the detection of it checking if you tripped Knox? Also why is everyone so worried about Samsung Pay Google Wallet allows you to use the app on rooted debices and it does the NFC paying and they send you a physical debit card. You can even send money to people through the app too.
Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.
I've been accepted into Samsung Pay beta testing and unfortunately since I've tripped knox this is what happens. I have the apk files for both the app and framework.
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What about if we used root cloak and or Xprivacy on xposed to hide detection of root or somthing? Maybe somone needs to create an app like root cloak that his the detection of it checking if you tripped Knox? Also why is everyone so worried about Samsung Pay Google Wallet allows you to use the app on rooted debices and it does the NFC paying and they send you a physical debit card. You can even send money to people through the app too.
Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.
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I agree 1,000%. Google Wallet is accepted at a lot of places and works well while rooted. If I have to part with Samsung Pay to 1) Turn the camera shutter sound off on my phone via Root Explorer...2) Disable a bunch of Samsung bloat I don't use...3) Have the ability to back up my apps and data as well as restore them...4)Customize my phone using XPosed and Wanam on a deodexed stock rom...etc, then it's not even a close trade off. I'm going with root 3 times out of 4.
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Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.
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Yes, Samsung Pay uses MST (magnetic secure transmission), aka the tech they acquired from LoopPay. This allows you to use your phone to pay at terminals, even if they don't have NFC. It'll emulate the magnetic field created when you physically swipe your card. So, basically it'll work in most places that Google Wallet (or Apple Pay) won't.
Sure, you can just use the Google Wallet card, but if you have it connected to multiple accounts, it's not always easy to remember which one is set as default or to change on the fly the one you want to use. At least with Samsung Pay & the Wallet app, I can choose my card on the fly.
I'm in the beta and raring to go. Sadly my BoA debit card was compromised earlier in the week and so I have to wait for the new one to arrive before I can test.
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I've been accepted into Samsung Pay beta testing and unfortunately since I've tripped knox this is what happens. I have the apk files for both the app and framework.
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Did you try odin back to stock and activating Samsung Pay? If not, can you try it out and let us know the results?
I got into Samsung Pay today but too sick to go try it out somewhere.
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Did you try odin back to stock and activating Samsung Pay? If not, can you try it out and let us know the results?
I got into Samsung Pay today but too sick to go try it out somewhere.
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Any update? Did you ever try it?
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Yes, Samsung Pay uses MST (magnetic secure transmission), aka the tech they acquired from LoopPay. This allows you to use your phone to pay at terminals, even if they don't have NFC. It'll emulate the magnetic field created when you physically swipe your card. So, basically it'll work in most places that Google Wallet (or Apple Pay) won't.
Sure, you can just use the Google Wallet card, but if you have it connected to multiple accounts, it's not always easy to remember which one is set as default or to change on the fly the one you want to use. At least with Samsung Pay & the Wallet app, I can choose my card on the fly.
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So I too have been accepted to the beta for Samsung pay. The only issue is I don't have any qualifying debit or credit cards to add because they don't have that many the day except at this time which is kind of dumb. But you spoke of LoopPay and I had also read that Samsung had acquired that or something like that so I checked in Google Play and sure enough LoopPay is still there so I thought hey if they have this cool feature where you can just use existing card readers and phone acts as a magnetic strip and seeing how the new Samsung phones have a feature built in and that it's possible that it works if you're rooted or if it doesn't it probably just checks for root and in theory you could just use root cloak to hide your route for the app so I thought why not download LoopPay.
So I downloaded Lupe installed it I'm verified my information but then when I go to add cards it says you currently don't have a connecting device to add a card because with LoopPay it requires you to buy a fob that plugs in to where the 3.5 mm or you can also use a card reader in the 3.5 mm which costs around 40 or 50 bucks. If the LoopPay hardware is built into our devices why does it ask me to have these add ons hooked into the 3.5 mm? Why would they do this? that seems pretty stupid if you ask me.
Maybe they can update LoopPay to not have to have the additional hardware that you need to buy. As far as what I've been saying about the app there's no information in Google Play saying that they are emerging over the Samsung pay for that the apps closing but I could be or they just haven't released anything yet. But it would be kind of a stupid move to murder / to Samsung pay for everyone because not everybody has a Samsung device and won't be able to use samsung pay so maybe that's why is not changing or merging.
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I agree 1,000%. Google Wallet is accepted at a lot of places and works well while rooted. If I have to part with Samsung Pay to 1) Turn the camera shutter sound off on my phone via Root Explorer...2) Disable a bunch of Samsung bloat I don't use...3) Have the ability to back up my apps and data as well as restore them...4)Customize my phone using XPosed and Wanam on a deodexed stock rom...etc, then it's not even a close trade off. I'm going with root 3 times out of 4.
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Just wanted to give you a heads up that you can disable the camera shutter sound even if your bone stock or rooted just by going into the camera settings scrolling to the bottom and tapping the disable shutter sound button. Atleast Its def been in my camera app since the day I purchased my phone. Any who just wanted to point that out. Thanks
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Just wanted to give you a heads up that you can disable the camera shutter sound even if your bone stock or rooted just by going into the camera settings scrolling to the bottom and tapping the disable shutter sound button. Atleast Its def been in my camera app since the day I purchased my phone. Any who just wanted to point that out. Thanks
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I definitely don't have it. Its all good though. I have the Sprint variant of the phone.
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I definitely don't have it. Its all good though. I have the Sprint variant of the phone.
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Oh that makes sense, bring your Sprint device into a T-Mobile thread and complain
On a serious note, it seems like Sprint takes out quite a few features, kinda sucks. A simple feature for muting the shutter sound? Why remove?
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Oh that makes sense, bring your Sprint device into a T-Mobile thread and complain [emoji14]
On a serious note, it seems like Sprint takes out quite a few features, kinda sucks. A simple feature for muting the shutter sound? Why remove?
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Actually I was just speaking in general as far as people justifying why they root. Its pretty universal as far as what you can and can't do. ?
I actually haven't owned a Samsung device where you could turn the shutter sound off for Sprint. The last one I could was the HTC EVO LTE. Its an easy fix once rooted though. My Gear 2 had no shutter sound option either. I had to root it in order to turn it off. Its something about privacy or something like that. I can easily turn the volume on my Ringer to silent and it will remedy that problem.
Hi Guys
UK User here who just used Android Pay for the first time as a Nationwide customer.
Very surprised as it worked great on a rooted Custom Rom Which is rather weird.... Assuming its systemless root that allowed it.
Does yours work with or without root?
Basically, if you trip knox, you'll lose it. Otherwise, it works fine.
I tripped Knox installing recovery lol...
If you have root it won't work, tripping knox will only cause Samsung pay to not work
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Samsung Pay Android Pay.
Android Pay works on Root, Mine is rooted and i can add a card.
Just my bank does not support Android Pay
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Samsung Pay Android Pay.
Android Pay works on Root, Mine is rooted and i can add a card.
Just my bank does not support Android Pay
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Exactly same for me... But Nationwide does support it... Quite weird that it works on root.
I was just about to type in auto pilot, Give us your details and I'll give it a try. Yer you to bank lol. I was going to see if I could get a mates bank and give it a quick whirl.
When you go to input your bank details, does it not allow you to this stage.
I. E warns you about rooted device before being allowed to input card details?
Something to try. SuperSU has uninstalled method from within the app. Try removing root. Use android pay. Then re-root
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Exactly same for me... But Nationwide does support it... Quite weird that it works on root.
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I take it that by "it works" you meant adding a bank card but have tried making any payments yet?
Yep made a payment too COOP - £7.64
Android pay works rooted but samsung pay wont.
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Says alot about Samsung.
If google doesnt see it as a security risk, i dont see why Samsung has to check for Knox trip lol
I thought Android Pay wasn't supposed to work on rooted devices?
I read a lot about android pay not working on rooted devices too or custom roms. Good to know that it does. I have just opened a new account with another bank purely to use it as I'm currently with santander and they don't support it yet. Once I get my new card I will try ro set it up and if I encounter any issues will hide root and unhide once set up.
Would be good to see how other rooted users get on
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