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I can't believe it, so i just received my gTablet from Amazon, and this is what I received. What a SOB, I wonder how many people fall for this and don't realize that its a fake.
Any advice on how to get my money back without any hassles, because the guy is probably long gone by now.
Silo45 said:
I can't believe it, so i just received my gTablet from Amazon, and this is what I received. What a SOB, I wonder how many people fall for this and don't realize that its a fake.
Any advice on how to get my money back without any hassles, because the guy is probably long gone by now.
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WTF! This is definitely a SCAM!
Sorry you got taken.
I have always found Amazon to be extremely helpful. Anytime I call them to complain/return something, they tell me to keep it and then refund my money anyway. I have gotten a lot of free stuff over the years.
It may take you some hunting to find the phone number for Amazon customer service, but it could be well worth it. I would give it to you but I have it at work and have only called them from there.
However, the fact that the marketplace covers independent sellers means you are taking your chances in a lot of cases. I only buy from people who are enough of a partner that Amazon does the free shipping and I have never been disappointed.
Good luck!
Ouch! That sucks. I'd recommend contacting Amazon's fraud department and their customer service department and seeing about what recourse is available to you. If they're unhelpful (though I doubt they will be as I find their customer service to generally be pretty good), there's always that friendly little thing called a chargeback which tends to inspire greatness from companies to help you.
It could just be an honest mistake. If you assume that Amazon ships 100,000 items each day, and that they have an efficiency rate of 99.999 % of items correctly delivered, then at least one person is sure to receive a wrong item in the mail.
The more items you ship, the more someone is bound to get something they didn't order even with phenomenally accurate item tracking. Amazon is generally very nice about this sort of thing. If they determine that it is their mistake, and if you live outside the US, and the return cost is excessive, they generally tell you to keep the mis-shipped item and then send the correct one along free of charge in a few weeks.
That item looks like the ZT-180 I bought off Amazon some time back. And yeah it sux huevos alright.
Was there an order slip inside the box from the seller? If so & it says Viewsonic G-Tablet then I highly doubt it was a mistake.
The main problem is that it wasn't directly from amazon, it was from a third party merchant on their site. So it makes things just a little bit more complicated and time consuming. I doubt it was a honest mistake, after checking the sellers profile I saw he had like 90% negative feedback.
After calling Amazon(good idea BTW I was starting to get scared), they assured me that if the seller didn't help me out, that I would get a full refund. So I guess that's good news. I just hate to go through the hassle, and wait even longer for my tablet, I just wanna play with it already.
I hope woot! has another deal soon...
Silo45 said:
The main problem is that it wasn't directly from amazon, it was from a third party merchant on their site. So it makes things just a little bit more complicated and time consuming. I doubt it was a honest mistake, after checking the sellers profile I saw he had like 90% negative feedback.
After calling Amazon(good idea BTW I was starting to get scared), they assured me that if the seller didn't help me out, that I would get a full refund. So I guess that's good news. I just hate to go through the hassle, and wait even longer for my tablet, I just wanna play with it already.
I hope woot! has another deal soon...
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Yeah, like I said - Amazon has NEVER done me wrong.
Here is someone who may be interested in letting theirs go for a deal http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1090546
Bestwholesalegem?
I filed a claim too, but haven't gotten it in the mail yet...figured it was a scam 2 weeks after ordering so i went out and bought one anyway
Silo45 said:
I can't believe it, so i just received my gTablet from Amazon, and this is what I received. What a SOB, I wonder how many people fall for this and don't realize that its a fake.
Any advice on how to get my money back without any hassles, because the guy is probably long gone by now.
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It looks like the little Army guy had too much to drink there
Was it from bestwholesalegem? I ordered one too. Im sure it will not be an actual g tablet tho.
However i did read this today
"If the buyer has received an item that is materially different and have not received a response from you with return instructions, he or she may file a Guarantee claim for the purchase. Once a customer is reimbursed for an order via the A-to-z Guarantee, Amazon.com does not obligate that customer to return the item they received. However, you are welcome to contact your customer directly to arrange for a return of the item."
Quoted from the amazon sellers claim faq
If you can get around the whole moral issue i guess you might end up with a free chinese knock off tablet to make up for your lost time.
Or the seller will ask you to ship it back. In that case its up to you either just ignore him and keep it (which you legally can), or ask him to pay for return shipping (you can include price of gas/"handling") and ship it back. He probably wont be willing to pay the 30-40$ for shipping anyway.
Yea the seller was bestwholesalegem I see some of you were also tempted by the low price. I wonder how much much money he maid off with ...
Well I'm gonna file a claim now, and see if I get a response from the seller. I was so relived when I saw that the purchase was backed by the Amazon A-Z Guarantee.
Time to look for a new one I guess.
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I doubt it was a honest mistake, after checking the sellers profile I saw he had like 90% negative feedback.
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How does a seller with 90% negative feedback sell anything to anyone?
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How does a seller with 90% negative feedback sell anything to anyone?
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... there's one born every minute
dfin13 said:
How does a seller with 90% negative feedback sell anything to anyone?
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He was a new seller and had no feedback when he started selling. I'm a seller on Amazon as well and we all start with nothing. The price wasn't drastically better than everything else ($269.99 + shipping), and you're not taking a monetary risk buying through Amazon, only a risk of inconvenience.
i am interested to know how you claim goes
and how long it takes for it to resolve
I'm interested also as I was one of the ones that received one of those tablets. Since before I ordered from him I ask what the return policy was. He assured me I had 30 days to return the item if I was not happy with it. It came in, I opened it and immediately fired a email off to him advising him I was returning it as it was not what I ordered. He wanted to give me a credit, but I held out for the money refund. I have all the emails to back up what the conversations between us was for Amazon if I have to file a claim with them.
Good luck and hope you get your money back.
I have sold a few items on Amazon and I know thet they keep the money for a while, they don't transfer it automatically to the seller account - especially if you are new to them.
So Amazon doesn't loose nothing, you get to keep the knock-off. Just act right away, don't wait 2 weeks...
nunjabusiness said:
Sorry you got taken.
I only buy from people who are enough of a partner that Amazon does the free shipping and I have never been disappointed.
Good luck!
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This is a good policy to go by, because these items are shipped by Amazon's warehouse team and all returns go straight to Amazon. There is no need to deal with the merchant. HOWEVER as an Amazon Merchant let me warn you that there is no special approval needed to sell like this. The program is called Fulfillment by Amazon, and any brand new merchant can sign up. Also Amazon doesn't verify that the units shipped through this program are genuine.
Just thought you should know.
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He wanted to give me a credit
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This should tell you your report was nothing surprising to him.
I wouldn't bother with trying to resolve this with him, go straight to amazon and remember to leave him the appropriate feedback.
Hey. I've been looking to sell a phone, and I've came across this site. How reliable is this site and are most sellers trustworthy?
bumpo
Swappa is really reliable. I haven't personally sold from it, but most of the sellers seem to be reliable and I've seen some who give their XDA usernames just in case the buyers have any questions.
Of course, there are some shoddy sellers, but that's a given with most sites.
fairly reliable....
most people use their facebooks or equiv. to log in so its rather easy to track. I've listed my previous devices there but to no luck. Its IMHO much easier to sell in forum MP's such as here or other android/computing/reddit forums.
stay away
i cant recommend it and will not buy another phone from it
bought a phone, it was delivered yesterday, seller who has a 7 day return policy, NFC feature doesnt work, and all she is doing is playing games, and hasnt sent me a return label yet
STAY WAY
for those of you who say buy from a seller with good history, i bought the phone from a seller who has 1500 sold listings, below is her reply regarding NFC not working:
"I just read about it. I'm not sure I see any good applications for it, but I'll send the label in the am"
am is over still no label from her and she did reply to my massage. amazing
Ive purchased from Swappa, and have had a good experience. As has been said before, make sure you are purchasing from a reliable seller. If you are making an international purchase, be sure to do your research on the customs laws in your location.
I purchased a Verizon LG G2 at a great price, knowing it works in international GSM markets and was not disappointed!
I just bought a note 3 through swappa. It is defective. Represented as Mint and like new.
Swappa is no help.
PayPal is probably going to be no help.
So it's a gamble.
I'd always buy NEW items and use my credit card on paypal if I ever do it again.
I'd rather use ebay, they at least do something on the buyer's behalf.
As it is I've got a phone that randomly boots about 10 times a day, and out hundreds of dollars.
Yeah, ebay is better for the buyer... and swappa charges the buyer for the privilege of getting shafted.
sent using mobile data only. no broadband in Rural America as was promised by both Presidents Bush & Obama.
I bought a RAZR HD Maxx (Unlocked BL) from swappa about 4 months ago and had a really great experience...the seller replied quickly to questions and shipped the device within a day or two. I cannot vouch for every seller on the site but FWIW I would use it again for sure.
Swappa is kind of hit or miss. There are lots of scams out there. It's actually pretty safe for the buyer as all you need to do is open a claim with paypal. If the buyer says the phone doesn't work but the seller says it does work paypal policy is to side with the buyer, pretty much no questions asked. The process takes time but you'll get your money back. Really not such a good deal for a seller, where you could sell a perfectly good device, the buyer tries to mod it, bricks the device then files a claim. The seller will be SOL with a broken device and no money.
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Swappa is kind of hit or miss. There are lots of scams out there. It's actually pretty safe for the buyer as all you need to do is open a claim with paypal. If the buyer says the phone doesn't work but the seller says it does work paypal policy is to side with the buyer, pretty much no questions asked. The process takes time but you'll get your money back. Really not such a good deal for a seller, where you could sell a perfectly good device, the buyer tries to mod it, bricks the device then files a claim. The seller will be SOL with a broken device and no money.
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Swappa is scamsite. I will never ever use it again. I was scammed by http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=3505755 He says that his identity been stolen and he didnt know that. Yeah sure. He was selling Nexus 6 but it is his current device somehow. Scum.
I don't know where to go but I recently bought a Samsung s5 paid 180$ but when I got it the phone was completely broken screen cracked to all hell and won't power on unlike the pictures submitted on swappa and I cant check the esn as it doesnt charge. Swappa told me to dispute it but seller insists he didn't send me that broken phone. Am I gonna be out all that money or what? Never had to dispute anything before
It's a definite risk. My first and only time trying to sell a phone resulted in the buyer getting a refund 3 or so weeks later. I believe he purchased the phone and swapped motherboard with a broken one and got a refund. Never again will I waste my time. I'll just let my phone die or give them away as it costs less.
Well I figure my first post should be a big moan on the subject of eBay.
I'm currently -£750 waiting on refunds for 2 Galaxy s4 phones that I tried to buy on eBay... the first auction had a slightly dodgy feel but I figured it was worth the risk for the potential of a good deal, turns out I should have trusted my initial gut instinct, about 10 minutes after I paid for it I got a message from eBay saying the listing had been removed as the seller was a compromised account, and that I no longer have to pay for the item. Annoyingly I still have to wait till next week before I can escalate it and get my refund.
Second one seemed a legit deal, seemed like an unwanted upgrade ( I know there is a degree of risk there too but, my last phone was one and I've had no issues), legit photos... item arrived on Monday all seemed in working order, spent all day Tuesday researching which mod to go with, re-learning the whole rooting/firmware/recovery upgrade processes, loading my apps, configuring them all etc , Micro-sim arrived Wednesday, but for whatever reason wouldn't register on the mobile network so I went to the carrier's shop.... I'm sure you all know where this is going, the phone's IMEI is on the blacklist, so I've had to spend the last few hours convincing the seller to refund me, of course I now have to send it back at my own expense and it probably won't arrive till Monday at which point I have to trust he'll refund me in a timely fashion, or I'll have to escalate again..... argh, what a head ache!
I must confess before all this I didn't know about all these possible pitfalls, I wish eBay had some more upfront guidance on risks of the phones being sold being blacklisted, I didn't even know such a list existed, ah well live and learn I guess.
For the limited time I had the phone I was loving it for it's none call related features, I'll just have to buy my next one from a legit source and hope for 3rd time lucky!
Anyhow, hi, hopefully my future posts will be more positive.
Feel sorry for you there buddy... I got mine too from a reseller, but we met upfront. Its been 10 weeks now and my s4 is still kicking. Its really a lot better if you're getting an expensive piece of hardware from a legit source...
tonyr80 said:
Well I figure my first post should be a big moan on the subject of eBay.
I'm currently -£750 waiting on refunds for 2 Galaxy s4 phones that I tried to buy on eBay... the first auction had a slightly dodgy feel but I figured it was worth the risk for the potential of a good deal, turns out I should have trusted my initial gut instinct, about 10 minutes after I paid for it I got a message from eBay saying the listing had been removed as the seller was a compromised account, and that I no longer have to pay for the item. Annoyingly I still have to wait till next week before I can escalate it and get my refund.
Second one seemed a legit deal, seemed like an unwanted upgrade ( I know there is a degree of risk there too but, my last phone was one and I've had no issues), legit photos... item arrived on Monday all seemed in working order, spent all day Tuesday researching which mod to go with, re-learning the whole rooting/firmware/recovery upgrade processes, loading my apps, configuring them all etc , Micro-sim arrived Wednesday, but for whatever reason wouldn't register on the mobile network so I went to the carrier's shop.... I'm sure you all know where this is going, the phone's IMEI is on the blacklist, so I've had to spend the last few hours convincing the seller to refund me, of course I now have to send it back at my own expense and it probably won't arrive till Monday at which point I have to trust he'll refund me in a timely fashion, or I'll have to escalate again..... argh, what a head ache!
I must confess before all this I didn't know about all these possible pitfalls, I wish eBay had some more upfront guidance on risks of the phones being sold being blacklisted, I didn't even know such a list existed, ah well live and learn I guess.
For the limited time I had the phone I was loving it for it's none call related features, I'll just have to buy my next one from a legit source and hope for 3rd time lucky!
Anyhow, hi, hopefully my future posts will be more positive.
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I reccomend this seller, i ve bought 2 S3's from him, all perfect, sealed box and great shipping speed:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181145259142?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Just to top off my day my brother came round and stole my last beer when I was out for a run, fml!
Thanks for the sympathy and recommendation though guys.
Just wondered what you paid for the phones.if you don't mind. How much did you think you were saving over buying from a shop?
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Just wondered what you paid for the phones.if you don't mind. How much did you think you were saving over buying from a shop?
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The first one was £370, and was apparently a 32gb model, that should have been my first warning signal as I've since learned the 32gb model isn't for sale in the UK yet.
The second went for £380 and included a 32gb memory card, so I felt like I was getting a 70-80ish quid saving?
I feel for you! Ebay can be a great bargain grabbing experience but there are some sharks lurking about. Hope you get both your refunds and put it down to experience..... I love technology but wouldn't risk not having a backed warranty on an item as expensive as an S4.
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I feel for you! Ebay can be a great bargain grabbing experience but there are some sharks lurking about. Hope you get both your refunds and put it down to experience..... I love technology but wouldn't risk not having a backed warranty on an item as expensive as an S4.
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Yea I've found a seller who is selling for £410 and providing a valid receipt, I think that's a safe price point to purchase at.
I bought my S4 on ebay last week for £400 incl and it was supposed to be in a sealed box, fully unlocked and an unwanted upgrade.
It was still sealed, but was locked to O2 and the seller insisted that O2 had promised him it would unlock in 3-5 days.
I said I couldn't wait, unlocked it myself & asked for a £25 refund as this was what a shop would charge to unlock it for me!! He gave it to me. :victory:
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I bought my S4 on ebay last week for £400 incl and it was supposed to be in a sealed box, fully unlocked and an unwanted upgrade.
It was still sealed, but was locked to O2 and the seller insisted that O2 had promised him it would unlock in 3-5 days.
I said I couldn't wait, unlocked it myself & asked for a £25 refund as this was what a shop would charge to unlock it for me!! He gave it to me. :victory:
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Nice one.
I got my S4 from eBay too. For £370.it was on o2 as well. Got an unlock code from a website for £15 that's permanently unlocked it.
I've been very happy. And lucky in my eBay experiences.
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Up until this happened I'd had 200+ transactions without 1 issue, then 2 back to back....
My S1 was off eBay, was a bargain and has never caused me one issue.
I am however a bit wary of unwanted upgrades after learning they could be blacklisted if they end their contract prematurely, if that happens a year later I doubt there's anything you could do about it.
I was actually worried about buying a FAKE S4, i.e. something else masquerading as an S4.
Do these exist, or is it just me being paranoid?
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I was actually worried about buying a FAKE S4, i.e. something else masquerading as an S4.
Do these exist, or is it just me being paranoid?
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They exist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpU4CqyNvrs
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They exist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpU4CqyNvrs
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Having watching this clip, I was worried for a few seconds until I read the comments!
Mine has all the comments about being fake...no logo, yellow camera....instead the "fake" is the international version! :laugh:
You just have to see if the savings you are getting are more than the risk involved
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I have wondered about Amazon market sales, whether it is more reliable/secure a method of obtaining a good deal, I wonder does anyone on here have any experience of it?
tonyr80 said:
I have wondered about Amazon market sales, whether it is more reliable/secure a method of obtaining a good deal, I wonder does anyone on here have any experience of it?
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Generally Amazon is more trustworthy than eBay, especially if it says 'fulfilled by amazon' or it's sold by official stores (AnkerOfficial and stuff like that) - you can tell if they have a very high rating and their descriptions are written fluently (you should be able to tell between the chinese/whatever sellers and official stores).
BUT, there are many fakes on Amazon too.
Feel sorry for you buddy. I got mine from a website called Kogan. It costed me 689 AU dollars including shipping fee. It is quite cheap and it arrived a week after i paid. More importantly, it is not second handed or reselling product.
i too purchased an s3 that was an unwanted phone, i had a gut feeling it was dodgy but thought ebay would protect me if it was dodgy
how wrong was i
phone never sent, money gone
all ebay could do was email them as i payed by bank deposit. even police online fraud cant force them to pay back the money and a bank tranfser reversal doesnt work if they deny it
2 months on still trying for refund while there still buying stuff
ended up buying an S4 I9505 off kogan for $620 inc 32gm micro sd and freight couldnt justify paying $460 for an S3 when the S4 was going for that price
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i too purchased an s3 that was an unwanted phone, i had a gut feeling it was dodgy but thought ebay would protect me if it was dodgy
how wrong was i
phone never sent, money gone
all ebay could do was email them as i payed by bank deposit. even police online fraud cant force them to pay back the money and a bank tranfser reversal doesnt work if they deny it
2 months on still trying for refund while there still buying stuff
ended up buying an S4 I9505 off kogan for $620 inc 32gm micro sd and freight couldnt justify paying $460 for an S3 when the S4 was going for that price
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Yea, PayPal payment protection is a must on eBay, I'd never trust a transaction without it really.
As it is I gave eBay another go as I spotted a deal that looked legit and unlikely to be a bad phone, got myself a new i19505, sealed box and with a receipt, £360. Pretty happy with that! Also got my money back from the 2 other bad deals, yay.
Hi this is my first post but have been avid follower of the site and had multitude of devices. Never felt a real passion as i have today to start a thread, today my nexus 5 died.
I have had my nexus 5 for just other 2 weeks now and for no apparent reason decided to die on me. Battery was fully charged had the phone in my pocket , took out to check it and nothing. My first thought was that maybe i didn't plug it properly and it hadn't charged, so stuck it on charge and nothing not led, no charge icon. left it for about an hour and completely nothing at all, tried everything power and volume buttons. Did a search on Google and couldn't find hardly any info on this sort of situation apart form one forum where a few people have had this issue and seems to be with 32gb version and they needed replacements.
Surely this sort of thing shouldn't be happening, clueless to what it could be, i did unlock, root, and install omni custom rom last night but all was working fine this morning untill it died of course.
Really i just wanted to make people aware of the problem and hear if anyone else has had this issue, or if anyone could shed some light as to what may have caused it.
Whats really ticked me off is Google customer service, i was given an rma and went through the the steps in the email to realize that they would hold the amount for this replacement on my debit card. So basically im buying a new phone and getting a refund when they receive my faulty handset. So now i have no phone and im £350 short for at least 14 days. This is ludicrous im being put out through no fault of my own, not everyone has £350 lying around spare. I understand that Google are covering there arses in-case they don't get the faulty handset back but please you send my a faulty handset and im the one who has jump through hoops and be put out.
Forum with same problem
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Did you try going into recovery and just wipe everything and try again? Or can you at least get to the boot loader?
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Was your pocket wet or was it humid out? My Nexus 4 was what u described
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Did you try going into recovery and just wipe everything and try again? Or can you at least get to the boot loader?
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No cant get into bootloder can not do anything.
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Was your pocket wet or was it humid out? My Nexus 4 was what u described
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no pocket was perfectly dry.
The phone has been on charge overnight now and still nothing, i notice that if its on charge or you push any buttons, there is clicking notice in the handset, but you have to hold the handset to your ear to hear it what is that.
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Whats really ticked me off is Google customer service, i was given an rma and went through the the steps in the email to realize that they would hold the amount for this replacement on my debit card. So basically im buying a new phone and getting a refund when they receive my faulty handset. So now i have no phone and im £350 short for at least 14 days. This is ludicrous im being put out through no fault of my own, not everyone has £350 lying around spare. I understand that Google are covering there arses in-case they don't get the faulty handset back but please you send my a faulty handset and im the one who has jump through hoops and be put out.
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Why does it tick you off? Why should Google be on the hook for $350? So many unscrupulous people out there, it's a normal business practice.
If you want to spare the $350, then send the phone into LG Warranty repair. They won't send you a loaner, but your phone will be repaired for no cost to you under their warranty.
Here is where you still complain its not fair because you won't have a phone then, and Google should still give you everything for free until you return your phone....
I think that it might be battery problem. And do use any cover on it? Because some covers can cover your power button and press it.
And also might be stuck power button.
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Why does it tick you off? Why should Google be on the hook for $350? So many unscrupulous people out there, it's a normal business practice.
If you want to spare the $350, then send the phone into LG Warranty repair. They won't send you a loaner, but your phone will be repaired for no cost to you under their warranty.
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Why does it tick me off! you my friend are either ignorant or stupid. It is my Statutory right here in the UK to be sold a product that is fit for purpose. From the sales of good act
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Repair or replacement of the goods
(1)If section 48A above applies, the buyer may require the seller—
(a)to repair the goods, or
(b)to replace the goods.
(2)If the buyer requires the seller to repair or replace the goods, the seller must—
(a)repair or, as the case may be, replace the goods within a reasonable time but without causing significant inconvenience to the buyer;
(b)bear any necessary costs incurred in doing so (including in particular the cost of any labour, materials or postage).
So trying to find £350 pound is a bit of an inconvenience for me, maybe not you as clearly that's nothing to you but for the normal working class id say that was a bit of inconvenience.
Why would i not complain im not a multi billion pound company who can afford to be £700 out of pocket with nothing to show for it. i haven't asked for anything for free all im asking for is to have what a paid for, a working phone.
Yea there are unscrupulous people out there but that's not all of us, i remember the day when company's looked after there customers because they were the ones that made them there profit.
Thanks for your 2 pence anyway.
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PaisanNYC said:
Why does it tick you off? Why should Google be on the hook for $350? So many unscrupulous people out there, it's a normal business practice.
If you want to spare the $350, then send the phone into LG Warranty repair. They won't send you a loaner, but your phone will be repaired for no cost to you under their warranty.
Here is where you still complain its not fair because you won't have a phone then, and Google should still give you everything for free until you return your phone....[/QUOTE
Why does it tick me off! you my friend are either ignorant or stupid. It is my Statutory right here in the UK to be sold a product that is fit for purpose. From the sales of good act
1979F4048B
Repair or replacement of the goods
(1)If section 48A above applies, the buyer may require the seller—
(a)to repair the goods, or
(b)to replace the goods.
(2)If the buyer requires the seller to repair or replace the goods, the seller must—
(a)repair or, as the case may be, replace the goods within a reasonable time but without causing significant inconvenience to the buyer;
(b)bear any necessary costs incurred in doing so (including in particular the cost of any labour, materials or postage).
So trying to find £350 pound is a bit of an inconvenience for me, maybe not you as clearly that's nothing to you but for the normal working class id say that was a bit of inconvenience.
Why would i not complain im not a multi billion pound company who can afford to be £700 out of pocket with nothing to show for it. i haven't asked for anything for free all im asking for is to have what a paid for, a working phone.
Yea there are unscrupulous people out there but that's not all of us, i remember the day when company's looked after there customers because they were the ones that made them there profit.
Thanks for your 2 pence anyway.
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Not to mention (I believe) it's technically illegal under the Sale of Goods act as it applies to faulty goods too.
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Get a job
Why does it tick me off! you my friend are either ignorant or stupid. It is my Statutory right here in the UK to be sold a product that is fit for purpose. From the sales of good act
I see nothing wrong with googles policy.
Get a part time job maybe if you can't afford them freezing the $349 on your card for two weeks.
I felt for you when reading about your phone problem.
But after reading your whining posts about googles policy well thats life in the big city.
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Why does it tick me off! you my friend are either ignorant or stupid. It is my Statutory right here in the UK to be sold a product that is fit for purpose. From the sales of good act
I see nothing wrong with googles policy.
Get a part time job maybe if you can't afford them freezing the $349 on your card for two weeks.
I felt for you when reading about your phone problem.
But after reading your whining posts about googles policy well thats life in the big city.
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What Google could do is send a pre-paid bag out and NOT send a replacement phone and once they receive the faulty they then send a new one. OK, you're without a phone for a day or so but it would mean no one is out of pocket and Google don't lose out as they get the original back first. We do this at my company and it works just fine
I find it hard to believe you Americans think that Google's policy is fair? I work full time but would still find it an inconvenience that a device I bought in good faith died and I have to fund a replacement first before I can get the replacement. Not everyone has £350 available as disposable cash, I certainly don't as everything I earn is budgeted for and ear marked for bills, rent, etc. A shop wouldn't ask you to do this and neither should a mail order purchase.
I'm not bashing Google as a company, just their returns policy
I get what you are saying but I don't think you are understanding what is happening. If you want an RMA they hold the money on your card because they are sending you a brand new device. You are 100% able to send the phone in to LG for free to have it replaced under warranty because it is faulty. You have an option that does not cost you any money. You are taking the option that does.
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By the way they don't actually charge you any money for the replacement they simply authorize in case you don't send them back a phone. Also you can keep your phone on until you get the replacement and then you can send them back your faulty one.
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EddyOS said:
What Google could do is send a pre-paid bag out and NOT send a replacement phone and once they receive the faulty they then send a new one. OK, you're without a phone for a day or so but it would mean no one is out of pocket and Google don't lose out as they get the original back first. We do this at my company and it works just fine
I find it hard to believe you Americans think that Google's policy is fair? I work full time but would still find it an inconvenience that a device I bought in good faith died and I have to fund a replacement first before I can get the replacement. Not everyone has £350 available as disposable cash, I certainly don't as everything I earn is budgeted for and ear marked for bills, rent, etc. A shop wouldn't ask you to do this and neither should a mail order purchase.
I'm not bashing Google as a company, just their returns policy
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If funds were that tight I wouldn't be buying a $349. Phone to start with.
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If funds were that tight I wouldn't be buying a $349. Phone to start with.
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That's just a piss poor response to a valid point. I can afford the phone, and I will be buying on on Friday as it happens, I was saying I don't have an ADDITIONAL £350 lying about. If it went wrong I'd expect it to be repaired/replaced at no cost within the warranty. I can live without a phone for a day or so so Google should provide the RMA package WITHOUT sending a new phone and once they receive the faulty one they send a new one. HTC do this. Everyone would be happy. Google could easily do this but choose not to and this is why I think their RMA procedure is poor.
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trsix said:
Why does it tick me off! you my friend are either ignorant or stupid. It is my Statutory right here in the UK to be sold a product that is fit for purpose. From the sales of good act
I see nothing wrong with googles policy.
Get a part time job maybe if you can't afford them freezing the $349 on your card for two weeks.
I felt for you when reading about your phone problem.
But after reading your whining posts about googles policy well that's life in the big city.
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Sorry im not a middle aged man, living at home with my parents, with nothing better to spend my money on. Im to busy living in the real world working and providing a good life for my family.What was the reason you commented on this post again? An let me remind you its £349 that's $570 to you.
I Agree that it would be better process to be able to send your device back for an exchange, not only would you not be out of pocket but would be a faster process. I think you would find that is a more normal business practice, at least here in UK. You don't have to re buy a product if you want an exchange it at any other mail order company Maybe this guy works for google and has so much spare cash because he is keeping hold everyone's money for 14 days.
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I get what you are saying but I don't think you are understanding what is happening. If you want an RMA they hold the money on your card because they are sending you a brand new device. You are 100% able to send the phone in to LG for free to have it replaced under warranty because it is faulty. You have an option that does not cost you any money. You are taking the option that does.
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i was unaware of this option and was never made aware of it otherwise i would have done so.
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By the way they don't actually charge you any money for the replacement they simply authorize in case you don't send them back a phone. Also you can keep your phone on until you get the replacement and then you can send them back your faulty one.
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Im well aware of the technicality of how they hold the funds but it is as good as being charged as you have no access to that money. That was what i was trying to get at,
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If funds were that tight I wouldn't be buying a $349. Phone to start with.
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1. Is it not the point Google are trying to make by making available a high spec device at an affordable price.
2.Being able to spare £350 and being able to spare £700 is bit of a difference don't you think.
3,I think your missing point its not so much about being able to spare the cash as it is the fact you give a company your business and when things go wrong you expect to be treated as a valued customer. I never asked for a special treatment or the world for that matter, i just wanted an easy, inconvenient way of replacing faulty goods.
I experienced the same issue last night. Charged my phone up and it was fine. Put it in my pocket, took it out a couple hours later and it was off. Haven't been able to turn it on since. No water damage, and I've never dropped it. I'm going through the RMA process now.
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I get what you are saying but I don't think you are understanding what is happening. If you want an RMA they hold the money on your card because they are sending you a brand new device. You are 100% able to send the phone in to LG for free to have it replaced under warranty because it is faulty. You have an option that does not cost you any money. You are taking the option that does.
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That is completely bull****. I spent two hours on the phone with LG, Google, and LG+Google support managers trying to get a repair on an *in warranty* nexus 4, (they stated that this same policy applies to the Nexus 5) instead of a RMA through Google. LG will NOT do in-warranty service, if you send a Nexus that was bought through google play to LG they treat it as an out-of-warranty repair no matter what. (Yes, I am very aware that this policy is illegal, I tried explaining that to the person they transferred me to in LG legal, they said to try my luck with small-claims). To get your money back after they bill you the out of warranty price for your in warranty repair you have either have to go to small-claims court or try to get your bank to reverse the charge. Its a total bull**** policy that is, in fact, illegal, but until someone actually sues them over it, nothing is going to change. I ended up just biting the bullet on the normal RMA since I've got a Nexus 5 anyway.
LG will not accept in-warranty repairs for Google Play purchased Nexus devices, they require you to go through Google, no exceptions. I really wish it weren't true, but a conference call with LG and Google Play support managers resulted in my beating my head against a wall on exactly this issue.
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By the way they don't actually charge you any money for the replacement they simply authorize in case you don't send them back a phone. Also you can keep your phone on until you get the replacement and then you can send them back your faulty one.
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Been a while since I used a debit card, but I remember my bank actually did prevent me from spending funds that were pre-authorized. Yes, the money was still mine, but it's set aside and I wasn't able to touch it until the preauth expired. Can be very inconvenient when cash is tight.
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This thread is soo off topic now.
Today, while running with my son on a nature trail, a freak accident happened. The stroller hit a rock in such a way it launched my phone from a holding pouch into the air and onto the ground shattering the screen. (i run over 75 miles a month for the last two years, so never dreamed of this happening) I was devastated, especially since it's a month old and since i'm one NEXT i can't really afford an extra 200 bucks. I went onto the phoneclaim website and tried to file a claim, initially telling me my deductible was 199.99 but my g3 wasn't listed and it told me to call to file the claim.
So, I call the number, speak to someone. She asked me about the damage, and what accessories if any i was claiming. I told her just the phone, no accessories or sim card - since that stuff was in tact. After putting me on hold, she asked me about the color of the phone, repeated the LG G3, asked me to verify identity questions (which amounted to my street address) and said that my deductible was 50.00 which would be applied to my bill. Now, i said
"not that i'm complaining, but this is the 32gb white LG G3 we're talking about, correct? "
"she replies yes sir"
"I said not only did the at&t rep tell me 199.99 when i signed up for the insurance, but the website also told me 199.99 when i entered in my number"
"she said I wouldn't complain either sir, it states 50.00 here with 1-2 business days shipping"
So, what are the odds something bad is going to happen here?
Ie: the wrong phone replacement, not a phone at all, but like a battery or something... i dunno.
Just can't wrap my mind around everyone saying 199.99, then being told 50.00 for 600 phone. ....
should I be worried?
Did they send you a confirmation email? If not, call back with the case # and get them to email that to you.
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Did they send you a confirmation email? If not, call back with the case # and get them to email that to you.
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They did, but all it states is that the claim is been received and being processed and a tracking number will be provided once it ships.
I'd imagine you're good to go at $50 since she told you that.
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I'd imagine you're good to go at $50 since she told you that.
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It's a good thing I went back to the site.
They had me for a replacement of the G3 VIGOR, not the G3 D850. When I called back, they asked me a ton more questions plus i have to sign an affidavit and send in a copy of my license. Then she told me an adjuster would call me and let me know if it would be replaced or not. She also said had i not called back i wouldn't have even gotten a new phone because the last person screwed up.
But, seriously... what am I paying insurance for if they will let me know about the replacement... i'm pretty sure we pay insurance for this exact issue.
I dunno, what a headache.
That sucks! I've replaced one that way before and I never had to give them a copy of my license? I'd sure be *****ing. Good luck!
Unfortunately this happened to me a week after I had my phone. The deductible was 165$ & they tried to give me an lg g2. Luckily I called back and had it fixed. It was a quick yet expensive lesson. And yes, I had to do the same with my license and an affidavit. Hope it goes well for you.
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Unfortunately this happened to me a week after I had my phone. The deductible was 165$ & they tried to give me an lg g2. Luckily I called back and had it fixed. It was a quick yet expensive lesson. And yes, I had to do the same with my license and an affidavit. Hope it goes well for you.
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No such luck for me. I've had my claim denied twice now. I've filled out three affidavits, sent in various pics of the phone and barcodes, license etc. I've mad a trip to the AT&T store all to no avail.
The reasoning is all very vague, like telling me my time of occurrence and date of last usage don't match, or that they've even tried telling me i don't own a G3 lol.
Worst experience ever...
I'll end up trying to contact LG and see if i can just get them to replace the screen for the 200 bucks it will cost or whatever.
sigh.
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No such luck for me. I've had my claim denied twice now. I've filled out three affidavits, sent in various pics of the phone and barcodes, license etc. I've mad a trip to the AT&T store all to no avail.
The reasoning is all very vague, like telling me my time of occurrence and date of last usage don't match, or that they've even tried telling me i don't own a G3 lol.
Worst experience ever...
I'll end up trying to contact LG and see if i can just get them to replace the screen for the 200 bucks it will cost or whatever.
sigh.
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That's weird that they say your " time of occurrence and date of last usage don't match"
Are you rooted and did you remove lots of apps like carrierIQ?
Do you think they are just BSing you?
Lol this makes me want to cancel my insurance...
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That's weird that they say your " time of occurrence and date of last usage don't match"
Are you rooted and did you remove lots of apps like carrierIQ?
Do you think they are just BSing you?
Lol this makes me want to cancel my insurance...
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Now that you mention it. I am rooted, i removed the bloat and carrierIQ the day I got the phone.
I might just have to send my phone to LG for a screen repair and call it a day. I'll keep you all updated when they deny my claim again tomorrow lol.
Insurance on anything that depreciates like a smart phone is a scam. I would never and have never gotten phone insurance. I keep one old phone at all times just in case this happens.
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Insurance on anything that depreciates like a smart phone is a scam. I would never and have never gotten phone insurance. I keep one old phone at all times just in case this happens.
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I would normally agree. I've only ever gotten insurance once, and it was for this phone. I also kept my galaxy s3 just in case this very thing happened. But, since i'm on the next program, i'll be damned if i'm paying 600.00+ for a phone that i can't use, even if it means i have to fork out extra for a replacement.
All that said, they actually approved my claim after several denials - nothing ever changed with the paperwork.
Now i just have to keep my fingers crossed that i get a new g3 replacement (or damn near like new referb). I hope it's not a heap of junk replacement like i've read in other stories about asurion.
Now, i've actually heard great first hand things about square trade insurance, cheaper payments, cheaper deductible, and no questions asked claims. some folks my wife and I work with use it and had nothing but good things to say about them, which is where i'll be headed to after my replacement.
*Shrug* Whatever floats your boat. Cracked screen repair for the G3 is about $150 direct from LG. They are going to send the phone to LG to repair it. Probably at a volume discount. They probably make a ~$100 profit on the G3 every time someone uses their warranty. Every phone claim is a profit for the company. If it is not, then they deny the claim. This is why I call it a scam. You are paying them monthly for the privilege of maybe having to let them profit off of you.
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Now, i've actually heard great first hand things about square trade insurance, cheaper payments, cheaper deductible, and no questions asked claims. some folks my wife and I work with use it and had nothing but good things to say about them, which is where i'll be headed to after my replacement.
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Haven't heard of this before, this looks like much less of a scam than the Assurian BS scam.
Interesting! Thanks for mentioning it.
I just get a rubber tpu bumper case and a screen protector and forget the insurance
Hi st0nez0r,
We’re glad to hear that ultimately we were able to get this resolved and a replacement device is on its way to you! This is not a typical experience and we’d hate to lose a valued customer. While we understand that paperwork is never fun we have the affidavit process in place for your protection. This helps prevent fraudulent claims against your account and helps keep premiums from rising. We recognize the cost associated with replacing a device which is why it’s our goal to help our customers save money while also getting them reconnected quickly should they experience a covered loss. In addition to covering physical damage, we also cover liquid damage, loss and theft; where most do not.
While we do use both new and certified-like new devices, keep in mind, all replacements come with a 12 month limited warranty. Should you experience any warranty failure, we’ll replace the phone at no additional cost.
We appreciate you sharing your experience, as it helps us to improve the services that we offer. Please let us know if you have any other questions or if we can be of further assistance.
Thanks,
Asurion Social Media Team @AsurionCares
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AsurionCares said:
Hi st0nez0r,
We’re glad to hear that ultimately we were able to get this resolved and a replacement device is on its way to you! This is not a typical experience and we’d hate to lose a valued customer. While we understand that paperwork is never fun we have the affidavit process in place for your protection. This helps prevent fraudulent claims against your account and helps keep premiums from rising. We recognize the cost associated with replacing a device which is why it’s our goal to help our customers save money while also getting them reconnected quickly should they experience a covered loss. In addition to covering physical damage, we also cover liquid damage, loss and theft; where most do not.
While we do use both new and certified-like new devices, keep in mind, all replacements come with a 12 month limited warranty. Should you experience any warranty failure, we’ll replace the phone at no additional cost.
We appreciate you sharing your experience, as it helps us to improve the services that we offer. Please let us know if you have any other questions or if we can be of further assistance.
Thanks,
Asurion Social Media Team @AsurionCares
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This was quite unexpected but appreciated.
Honestly, In terms of cellphones, dealing with Asurion was one of the worse experience I've ever had in the history of owning a cell phone. While I understand the need for paperwork and whatever various methods you use to combat insurance fraud,
beyond those measures is where I had the real problems:
Dealing with rude/obnoxious customer support representatives (just one, but one too many.)
The run around game. Sending me to an AT&T store to obtain info, then to be belittled by another rep for doing what I was initially asked to do. (referring to the same rep as above)
Lack of information and communication during the process. In some cases I didn't get a call or email explaining why my claims were initially canceled. I had to call back for that info.
The website is not all that great either. one example would be filling in your first/last name, phone number, email, and social just for an update. How about a tracking number process or something.
No option to contact/talk to support after paperwork is submitted for review. If you have questions/problems you can't speak to anyone during that process. You're greeted with a phone message stating your stuff is under review and that you'll be contacted. then hangs up on you. I guess this is in place so work can actually get accomplished without being overwhelmed by calls, but still...
In the end I did receive a brand new replacement device. The return process was also a snap.
I've learned my lesson at any rate. I invested the extra money in a spigen slim armor case and tempered glass protector.
Thanks for replying to this post.
I almost had a similar experience with Asurion, but ultimately a good one. It all started with initiating my claim over the phone, just to discover no record of my claim upon following-up. The follow-up rep offered to resubmit or direct me to the website, where I'd be able to print documents required and receive confirmation/ updates upon successful submission.
After downloading, printing and competing the affidavit, I was able to scan and upload, along with my ID. This took less than 15 minutes.
I had a brand new phone, shipped from AT&T within a couple days. I've been a wireless dealer, and the Asurion representative's explanation about hurdles preventing fraud are entirely valid. The $200 deductible + my first monthly premium is not a scam- they ate maximum money on my claim, particularly as my replacement was NOT refurbished. I'm still only paying AT&T for one phone. Asurion bought the majority of the other. My deductible will be used to minimize the loss, likely through repair and reuse for a future claim. Loss/theft is an even bigger loser. Their money is made from premium revenue that exceeds claims expenses.
While it sounds like they could tighten up their call centers, if Asurion has replaced your $600 phone, they've certainly not robbed you.
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This is why I never use the carrier insurance it sucks and the more the customer service... All my devices I always go with SquareTrade, only $5.00 a month and $75.00 deductible.