Just purchased an HD MAXX from Ebay and the seller said it has a permanently unlocked bootloader and a custom ROM flashed. I'm upgrading from a Bionic that I rooted, installed SafeStrap and tried a few custom ROMs in the slots. I'm going to have the phone flashed over to Page Plus and the person doing the flashing told me it has to be on stock. The seller told me that the bootloader is permanently unlocked. The seller also told me how the bootloader was unlocked and I read something similar here that if it were unlocked at a certain point, or before a certain update was pushed out, it would be permanently unlocked,
I just don't want to screw anything up trying to flash it back to stock. It's running the TWRP custom recovery. I've flashed ROM's before, I've rooted phones before but from what I understand having a Razr with an unlocked bootloader is something special and I wouldn't want to screw that up. Thanks
SkyRocker_58 said:
Just purchased an HD MAXX from Ebay and the seller said it has a permanently unlocked bootloader and a custom ROM flashed. I'm upgrading from a Bionic that I rooted, installed SafeStrap and tried a few custom ROMs in the slots. I'm going to have the phone flashed over to Page Plus and the person doing the flashing told me it has to be on stock. The seller told me that the bootloader is permanently unlocked. The seller also told me how the bootloader was unlocked and I read something similar here that if it were unlocked at a certain point, or before a certain update was pushed out, it would be permanently unlocked,
I just don't want to screw anything up trying to flash it back to stock. It's running the TWRP custom recovery. I've flashed ROM's before, I've rooted phones before but from what I understand having a Razr with an unlocked bootloader is something special and I wouldn't want to screw that up. Thanks
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The seller is correct. May 25 is dday for the ...79 build that locks the boot.
You do not state your build.
Get the latest twrp 2632 for a pocket proof noob recovery but for a successful cm 11 flash you need philz newest & philz 6079 for some flashes that err 7 on the 619 ver.
926 philz only comes in .img. Get recovery tools to load the img from homescreen. Philz is in the orig dev section.
When in doubt backup.
See my 907 stuff for lots similar things/guides that apply to the 926 as well.
SkyRocker_58 said:
Just purchased an HD MAXX from Ebay and the seller said it has a permanently unlocked bootloader and a custom ROM flashed. I'm upgrading from a Bionic that I rooted, installed SafeStrap and tried a few custom ROMs in the slots. I'm going to have the phone flashed over to Page Plus and the person doing the flashing told me it has to be on stock. The seller told me that the bootloader is permanently unlocked. The seller also told me how the bootloader was unlocked and I read something similar here that if it were unlocked at a certain point, or before a certain update was pushed out, it would be permanently unlocked,
I just don't want to screw anything up trying to flash it back to stock. It's running the TWRP custom recovery. I've flashed ROM's before, I've rooted phones before but from what I understand having a Razr with an unlocked bootloader is something special and I wouldn't want to screw that up. Thanks
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as long as you have the drivers installed on your pc all you have to do is grab one of the utilities from the dev forum and flash it back to stock. there is also an option in there to put the stock recovery back on. its all plug and click.
Thanks guys!
Appreciate the replies and info. My main concern was doing something to possibly "re-lock" the bootloader. From what you're saying I shouldn't have any problems, flash it back to stock, flash it to page plus, flash custom recovery, start trying out ROM's lol
Thanks again!
Once the fuse is blown it cannot be "rearmed". But I've heard that there are couple of those in our RAZR. But I don't think vz or moto are interested in making our phones inoperable.
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I can attest to the fact that once you unlock the bootloader, it won't get relocked since it's a physical change (blown e-fuse as others have mentioned).
I have flashed back to a previous stock, took the OTA and the bootloader was still unlocked.
However, never say never and when KitKat comes out for this phone, I will not be quick to install it. I will wait and see what everyone says before I accept it. No way I take an OTA that somehow finds a different way to lock the bootloader.
Hi guys...
so, i bought a Razr HD XT925 and it still didnt arrive, but till it happens i want to be ready to root the phone, so i can install titanium backup and erase some **** that will come like some google apps.
i've read some threads about rooting the phone and i realized that a lot of people talk about this "bootloader"
i had a galaxy s2 and i've never had to worry about this, but in the root threads of Razr HD i see people arguing about it...
i dont know if the phone will arrive with the last update(4.1.2), probably will cause its a long time this update has been out...so i have the following questions:
1) If the phone comes with whether 4.0.4 ICS or 4.1.2 JB, do i need to do something about Bootloader beore rooting it? if yes, what?
2) what's the best way to root? any link for a good thread?
i just dont want to get the phone and in the first day screw him up...
that's why i need to ask this.
thanks in advance
xubeiga said:
Hi guys...
so, i bought a Razr HD XT925 and it still didnt arrive, but till it happens i want to be ready to root the phone, so i can install titanium backup and erase some **** that will come like some google apps.
i've read some threads about rooting the phone and i realized that a lot of people talk about this "bootloader"
i had a galaxy s2 and i've never had to worry about this, but in the root threads of Razr HD i see people arguing about it...
i dont know if the phone will arrive with the last update(4.1.2), probably will cause its a long time this update has been out...so i have the following questions:
1) If the phone comes with whether 4.0.4 ICS or 4.1.2 JB, do i need to do something about Bootloader beore rooting it? if yes, what?
2) what's the best way to root? any link for a good thread?
i just dont want to get the phone and in the first day screw him up...
that's why i need to ask this.
thanks in advance
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When I bought my phone, it was on JellyBean. I used the Motorola instructions to unlock the bootloader (It seems to work in all Razr HD except the US / Verizon ones where you need to have the DEV edition).
Then I flashed recovery http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1973904
And then installed SuperSU http://download.chainfire.eu/298/SuperSU/
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When I bought my phone, it was on JellyBean. I used the Motorola instructions to unlock the bootloader (It seems to work in all Razr HD except the US / Verizon ones where you need to have the DEV edition).
Then I flashed recovery http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1973904
And then installed SuperSU http://download.chainfire.eu/298/SuperSU/
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thanks mate! i will sure try this in a few days.
so after doing these 3 steps, the device got Rooted and working perfectly?
I wonder why is it necessary to unlock this bootloader. why i didnt have to do it in the SGS II? maybe cause Samsung already let it unlocked?
i realized that when i unlock the bootloader i lose the cover by Motorola, so, is it possible to "lock" the bootloader again?
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i saw this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1943851
this one doesnt say anything about unlocking, maybe the script does itself?
xubeiga said:
thanks mate! i will sure try this in a few days.
so after doing these 3 steps, the device got Rooted and working perfectly?
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Yes, I did that and have no problem (I did it like 4 month ago)
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I wonder why is it necessary to unlock this bootloader. why i didnt have to do it in the SGS II? maybe cause Samsung already let it unlocked?
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I don't know, every phone has it issues, I remember having to backup the radio and the EFS partition on my Samsung, I didn't have to do any of that on my motorola and with my LG was as easy as installing a script.
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i realized that when i unlock the bootloader i lose the cover by Motorola, so, is it possible to "lock" the bootloader again?
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I don't think so...
xubeiga said:
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i saw this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1943851
this one doesnt say anything about unlocking, maybe the script does itself?
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Yes, I remember that when I bought my phone I just root it without unlocking the bootlader (using the MotoChopper tool I think), I waited 6 month until warranty time was over and then I unlocked the bootloader
I'm not really sure of any of this, but i think that...
With locked bootloader you can't install custom ROMs and you will lose root if you OTA update your device (have in mind that there is currently there is no way to root KK in this device).
pbosio said:
Yes, I did that and have no problem (I did it like 4 month ago)
I don't know, every phone has it issues, I remember having to backup the radio and the EFS partition on my Samsung, I didn't have to do any of that on my motorola and with my LG was as easy as installing a script.
I don't think so...
Yes, I remember that when I bought my phone I just root it without unlocking the bootlader (using the MotoChopper tool I think), I waited 6 month until warranty time was over and then I unlocked the bootloader
I'm not really sure of any of this, but i think that...
With locked bootloader you can't install custom ROMs and you will lose root if you OTA update your device (have in mind that there is currently there is no way to root KK in this device).
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so, basically, it isnt necessary to unlock the bootloader to root the phone?
i really dont want to flash custom roms. not right now. i just want to root the phone so i can use Titanium Backup to uninstall some apps that i don't use, which will just waste my memory and battery!
edit: i just read that there are 2 programs. this motochopper and one called motopocalypse.
the motochopper is to root the phone and the other one is to unlock bootloader. and you can't unlock bootloader if your device isnt rooted.
so i can just use the motochopper, root it, and the device will be rooted and still working fine, without bootloader unlocked and i would still have the cover from Motorola? am i correct?
If you upgrade to Kitkat on a phone with a locked bootloader, then you will lose root. No way to carry it over the ota and there is no way to root it once you are on Kit Kat. This must be the 100th time this has been stated.
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iBolski said:
If you upgrade to Kitkat on a phone with a locked bootloader, then you will lose root. No way to carry it over the ota and there is no way to root it once you are on Kit Kat. This must be the 100th time this has been stated.
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well, as i said that i don't want to flash custom roms, this must not be a problem for me
but dully noted for the future!
here in brazil the official KK 4.4.2 is not released yet
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so i can just use the motochopper, root it, and the device will be rooted and still working fine, without bootloader unlocked and i would still have the cover from Motorola? am i correct?
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Yes, that is correct, take in mind that probably you will still lose cover from Motorola if you root it, but you can unroot before taking your device to Motorola's service if you have any issue...
xubeiga said:
well, as i said that i don't want to flash custom roms, this must not be a problem for me
but dully noted for the future!
here in brazil the official KK 4.4.2 is not released yet
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Stupid me, I didn't read. You have an XT925 so you can "legally" unlock it, no exploit needed like it was with the XT926, so you should still have the ability to sideload root on Kit Kat, like those of us with unlocked XT926s. So, disregard my incoherent ramblings earlier! :silly:
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Yes, that is correct, take in mind that probably you will still lose cover from Motorola if you root it, but you can unroot before taking your device to Motorola's service if you have any issue...
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yes, that's exactly what i want and exactly what i'm thinking.
just root the device and dont mess with the bootloader, and if anything happens and i need the cover from Motorola, i can just unroot it!
thanks for all your answers. :victory:
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Stupid me, I didn't read. You have an XT925 so you can "legally" unlock it, no exploit needed like it was with the XT926, so you should still have the ability to sideload root on Kit Kat, like those of us with unlocked XT926s. So, disregard my incoherent ramblings earlier! :silly:
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no problems mate!!
even you understanding it wrong, i still learned a few with your answer :good:
thanks!
xubeiga said:
yes, that's exactly what i want and exactly what i'm thinking.
just root the device and dont mess with the bootloader, and if anything happens and i need the cover from Motorola, i can just unroot it!
thanks for all your answers. :victory:
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They can tell if you rooted it or not. When you start to boot up into stock recovery, you'll see a QE code on the Andy screen. A qe code of 0/0 means it's not rooted and it's never been rooted.
1/1 means it's currently rooted and it's been rooted before.
0/1 means it's currently not rooted but it's been rooted before.
At least, that's what has been guessed as to what the values mean, but definitely, if it's 0/0, then the phone has never been rooted before. Any values other than 0 to the left or right of the slash means the phone has been rooted before, which means you're warranty is voided.
So, they can tell when you've rooted it. And there's no known way of clearing those values out.
In any case, if you're going to root, you might as well unlock it as well because they can determine if it's been rooted anyways, which will void your warranty.
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If you upgrade to Kitkat on a phone with a locked bootloader, then you will lose root. No way to carry it over the ota and there is no way to root it once you are on Kit Kat. This must be the 100th time this has been stated.
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Forgive me if im asking something already answered. If you have a locked bootloader and on KitKat, is it possible to flash with sbf to an earlier software version, root, then just dont update? Or if the bootloader is locked does this mean that you cant flash anything at all? I only need root, probably like everyone else on KitKat. LoL. Just curious if theres a way to flash to an earlier version. How do you know if your bootloader is locked? Im not familiar with this version.
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Forgive me if im asking something already answered. If you have a locked bootloader and on KitKat, is it possible to flash with sbf to an earlier software version, root, then just dont update? Or if the bootloader is locked does this mean that you cant flash anything at all? I only need root, probably like everyone else on KitKat. LoL. Just curious if theres a way to flash to an earlier version. How do you know if your bootloader is locked? Im not familiar with this version.
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This should answer your question. It's earlier in this thread where I answered this question:
iBolski said:
If you upgrade to Kitkat on a phone with a locked bootloader, then you will lose root. No way to carry it over the ota and there is no way to root it once you are on Kit Kat. This must be the 100th time this has been stated.
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Once on KitKat, you are stuck. You cannot revert back to a previous version (you WILL brick your phone).
A little research goes a long way. This has been discussed to death since KitKat came out.
iBolski said:
This should answer your question. It's earlier in this thread where I answered this question:
Once on KitKat, you are stuck. You cannot revert back to a previous version (you WILL brick your phone).
A little research goes a long way. This has been discussed to death since KitKat came out.
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Thanks for the explanation, unfortunately "Reasearching" this is not possible when Tapatalk has a "Noted & Known issue" with its search function. Their support team is working diligently for a resolution. Maybe you didn't see my sig line indicating I was utilizing Tapatalk.
LOL. "Research does go along way if properly utilized".
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iBolski said:
They can tell if you rooted it or not. When you start to boot up into stock recovery, you'll see a QE code on the Andy screen. A qe code of 0/0 means it's not rooted and it's never been rooted.
1/1 means it's currently rooted and it's been rooted before.
0/1 means it's currently not rooted but it's been rooted before.
At least, that's what has been guessed as to what the values mean, but definitely, if it's 0/0, then the phone has never been rooted before. Any values other than 0 to the left or right of the slash means the phone has been rooted before, which means you're warranty is voided.
So, they can tell when you've rooted it. And there's no known way of clearing those values out.
In any case, if you're going to root, you might as well unlock it as well because they can determine if it's been rooted anyways, which will void your warranty.
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wow, that's unfortunate
xubeiga said:
wow, that's unfortunate
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That's been going on since ICS, I believe. So, it's nothing new. I remember when the news came out about it a few years ago. I've seen it on my Droid X2, Droid RAZR MAXX and now on my RAZR HD.
I don't know if it's only on Motorola phones or all android phones. All my Android phones have been Motorola with the exception of my first Android phone, which was an LG Vortex.
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That's been going on since ICS, I believe. So, it's nothing new. I remember when the news came out about it a few years ago. I've seen it on my Droid X2, Droid RAZR MAXX and now on my RAZR HD.
I don't know if it's only on Motorola phones or all android phones. All my Android phones have been Motorola with the exception of my first Android phone, which was an LG Vortex.
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I've heard about it on some Samsung phones, and they go even farther and track how many times someone has flashed roms and such...Chainfire has some tools just for them. Look up Triangle Away.
yep, i had a Galaxy S2(which i dont have anymore cause i've been stolen), and in my first day with it, i rooted, flashed a custom rom, and then some months after, the usb connector stopped working properly. and the phone still had smth like 4 months of warranty...
i had to do a lot of things to reset it.
flash stock firmware with odin, then use this triangle away, then unroot, etc etc etc...well at least i could reset it and send to warranty without they knowing it
I didn't know that there was a root workaround found for 183.46.10 so I foolishly updated to 183.46.15. I've had this phone since 4.1.2 so will a factory reset take me back to 4.1.2? Otherwise will RSD Lite help me? (I'm really sorry for being so ignorant about these things and asking questions that I'm sure are dumb)
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I didn't know that there was a root workaround found for 183.46.10 so I foolishly updated to 183.46.15. I've had this phone since 4.1.2 so will a factory reset take me back to 4.1.2? Otherwise will RSD Lite help me? (I'm really sorry for being so ignorant about these things and asking questions that I'm sure are dumb)
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Unless you unlocked your bootloader, you have NO way to go back to a previous version nor can you root. There is no way to unlock the bootloader once you've taken to .15 OTA.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but once you took the .15 OTA, you lost all access to root and unlock the bootloader. There is no going back. Your only hope is if someone discovers a new security flaw that can be exploited to gain root access, but since this is a 2-year-old phone, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Unless you unlocked your bootloader, you have NO way to go back to a previous version nor can you root. There is no way to unlock the bootloader once you've taken to .15 OTA.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but once you took the .15 OTA, you lost all access to root and unlock the bootloader. There is no going back. Your only hope is if someone discovers a new security flaw that can be exploited to gain root access, but since this is a 2-year-old phone, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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What if I accidentally updated to 183.46.15 but my bootloader is unlocked? I was fully rooted with unlock on the 4.1.2 bootloader, but wanted to update so I could flash the new CM11 builds, but I too foolishly took the .15 OTA after installing .10. I just can't seem to find a way to roll back to .10 or flash a recovery now...
LogDog2012 said:
What if I accidentally updated to 183.46.15 but my bootloader is unlocked? I was fully rooted with unlock on the 4.1.2 bootloader, but wanted to update so I could flash the new CM11 builds, but I too foolishly took the .15 OTA after installing .10. I just can't seem to find a way to roll back to .10 or flash a recovery now...
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You're fine. Once unlocked, always unlocked. Just flash root and you're good to go.
The unlocking of the bootloader on this phone is a physical change, not a software change. Basically, something called an efuse was blown. Hence just like with the old fashioned fuses from a long time ago in a house far far away, once they blow, you have to physically take them out and replace them with a new one. In the case of the phone, you can't really do that without putting in an entirely new motherboard. Hence, once unlocked, always unlocked. They can't lock it back up since it was a physical change on the phone itself.
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You're fine. Once unlocked, always unlocked. Just flash root and you're good to go.
The unlocking of the bootloader on this phone is a physical change, not a software change. Basically, something called an efuse was blown. Hence just like with the old fashioned fuses from a long time ago in a house far far away, once they blow, you have to physically take them out and replace them with a new one. In the case of the phone, you can't really do that without putting in an entirely new motherboard. Hence, once unlocked, always unlocked. They can't lock it back up since it was a physical change on the phone itself.
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That's awesome news. So I should be able to flash a new recovery through ADB?
LogDog2012 said:
That's awesome news. So I should be able to flash a new recovery through ADB?
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As long as your bootloader is unlocked, yes. Then, you can flash root.
You need to use the correct recovery that is based on the KK bootloader.
Most are using TWRP as their custom recovery. You can get it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53245455&postcount=1
Flash that and then boot into recovery and flash the latest SuperSU:
http://download.chainfire.eu/supersu
Is there a way to know if I have boot loader unlocked ?
boot into fastboot, read message displayed on your screen