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Not sure I agree with the charge but welcome to the true cost of the phones, without carrier subsidy, like the rest of the world does.
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wtf is the point of carrier subsidy, contracts, etc if they are gonna rape me for bull**** like these charges??
Is this for the mytouch or the g2x?
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Americans, for the most part, have absolutely no idea how money works and will happily pay huge monthly fees if it means a cheap piece of hardware.
A friend of mine told me flat out he will never pay more than a hundred dollars for a phone and yet gladly pays $90 per month. He, and millions of others, cannot fathom budgeting beyond a single month.
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I went through this same bull**** last week. I got my bill and saw that charge and called. I thought it was mislabeled shipping charges since the lady in the chat asked me if we wanted expedited shipping for the G2x for $20 or not and we declined. Sadly it was for replacing the phone. I even stated that I was clearly under warranty and thought the charge was inappropriate and that not even AT&T, my previous carrier up until 6 months ago, ever charged me for replacing phones under warranty. All to no avail, they don't really care.
I switched to T-Mo for the promise of excellent customer care and ever since moving to T-Mo and the G2x I haven't seen anything like that fabled customer care I've heard about.
I received two $20.00 charges and a $5.00 charge on my bill. It's complete bull. The phone was less than a month old!
So did they guy who swapped out ten phones under warranty pay $200.00 in these charges? LMFAO.
Kinda strange it says one time service charge then there are two charges of twenty bucks.
That sucks,
Doug
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well now i'm praying that my g2x is relatively bug free.... before the g2x i had the g1 and i've been through six of those phones. i've never ever had to pay a warranty fee, it must be new?
sux, I hope you guys don't pay for insurance too.
These things come with a 1 year manufacturer warranty.
If you didn't know that, I hope you will remember it and stop paying T-mobile(or any carrier) for bull****.
Pretty much any electronic device you buy has a 1 year manufacturers warranty.
So don't waste your money.
If you don't believe me, read your manuals!
well then what's the difference between asking for a replacement and getting it free as opposed to asking for a replacement and having to pay for it? i don't understand where these charges are coming from all of a sudden since i've never had to pay them before
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You pay 150 for a phone vice 500.
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it was for the mytouch. my G2x knock on wood is perfect (well, as perfect as CM7 can be i guess)
sadly, 3 hours of phone calls netted me nothing. i got phucked.
that insurance they keep pimping to me is also bull****. i dropped that after the first month when i learned that the rep lied out of his ass to sell me that **** in the store, and i made sure i got my money back for that. i got my 40 bucks back too as i refused to pay that fee.
of course the one rep that found the proper notations of some sort (or claimed to have seen it) i dropped the call or i got disconnected!!!! arrgh thats when the 10 phone calls in a row started trying to get an american rep!
oh yea, and that new IVR system they have now is really ****ty! want a rep, just say tech support, and it takes you to a regular care rep anyways so just ask for tech support when the dumb ***** asks you why you are calling. i had to call back 4 times just because that stupid computer slut kept cutting me off and hanging up on me when i asked for a human to speak to. they are really gearing up to lose that "top customer service/satisfaction" slot they supposedly hold.
third exchange, they offered me a mt4g slide as a replacement...cool, i said go for it ill take that deal. they sent me a mt4g like i have already. i called them on it today, saying hey you sent me the wrong device. they have no records of me getting a mt4g slide. they offered me a samsung galaxy 4g. i said no thanks, i was told i was getting a slide.
oh and 3 hours of calls was me waiting on hold to get an american rep, since tmo wants to outsource more often now!
i noticed this tho, if you get the option to have them call you back instead of waiting on hold, 1...dont do it because you wont get that call back, and 2....thats an american rep you will be waiting for on hold...all the times i got a out of country rep i never got the option to get the hold call back.
problem is, if you pay full retail you still need a contract unless you go prepaid. you go prepaid, you are treated like a third world hoodrat compared to a postpaid customer, who is treated like a second class citizen at best. so no matter what you get phucked where the sun dont shine regardless of what you do!
whatever, she is due for an upgrade in november anyway, so regardless ill get her a better phone no matter what. it would have been nice tho to get a 4g slide as it would have been worth more on fleabay down the road. ill sign my monkey contract to stick with their retarded collective asses and eventually pay $200 bucks to cancel, as ill get that money back by selling the device on ebay anyways so no major real loss here. i refuse to go to sprint, and verizon is expensive....ug i should have kept verizon from the get go.
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You pay 150 for a phone vice 500.
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i know that, i was being sarcastic
what does this mean.
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Americans, for the most part, have absolutely no idea how money works and will happily pay huge monthly fees if it means a cheap piece of hardware.
A friend of mine told me flat out he will never pay more than a hundred dollars for a phone and yet gladly pays $90 per month. He, and millions of others, cannot fathom budgeting beyond a single month.
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please explain what this means. although tmobile does have a cheaper rate if you dont buy the phone outright(not really even sure its cheaper unless you want the lowest service available) i know verizon doesnt dont believe att does either dont know about sprint.
but we dont have a choice but to pay for the service we need whatever they charge. we do have the ability to stand up and not pay money for fixes for phones sold broken. and i never paid a dime for my 2 replacements. nor would i.
Your post is not only insulting , it also makes no sense and has nothing to do with the thread. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think what he means is that americans only see half the cost. when they see a full retail cost of a phone at $500 bones, and can pay 1/5th of that or even less they think they got a deal but when you see all the fees and extra bull**** they silently tack on to your bill, we dont care because the phone which is the cool thing to have does tons of fart apps and the bill dont matter anymore.
Actually, TMO will give you a cheaper rate if you own the outright. They have what they call Value + which has lower rates I think.
If you have insurance on your phone they will only charge you 5 bucks and will overnight you a replacement. I also agree that the $20 charge is complete bs and I'm a Tmo employee lol.
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please explain what this means. although tmobile does have a cheaper rate if you dont buy the phone outright(not really even sure its cheaper unless you want the lowest service available) i know verizon doesnt dont believe att does either dont know about sprint.
but we dont have a choice but to pay for the service we need whatever they charge. we do have the ability to stand up and not pay money for fixes for phones sold broken. and i never paid a dime for my 2 replacements. nor would i.
Your post is not only insulting , it also makes no sense and has nothing to do with the thread. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Actually his post makes perfect sense. Problem is that T-Mobile is the only choice if you do want to make any use of high upfront cost/lower cost in the long-run vs little up-front cost/much high cost in the long-run that our society is prone for.
As for the plan not being cheaper... not so sure.
My regular plan:
120*24=2880
250 for two phones.
Total over the life of a contract: 3130.00
My value plan:
650 for two phones (100 for G2x, 150 for the Galaxy, plus 400 "conversion fee")
80*24=1920
Total over the life of a contract: 2570.00
Difference: 560
How's it not cheaper?
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If you have insurance on your phone they will only charge you 5 bucks and will overnight you a replacement. I also agree that the $20 charge is complete bs and I'm a Tmo employee lol.
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does this include the first year warranty? i've never had to pay for a replacement when i was in the first year and i've went through six g1s
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/16/att-next-upgrade-program/
AT&T:
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/next.html?sf15024656=1#fbid=PD71HEOU89k
Interesting...
Also... top comment on Engadget:
OK, so I work for ATT I'll just clarify this for you guys a little. This is what we reps have been told. Basically whatever the normal price plan is for the phone you add 1/20th of the phones price to that normal plan pricing. After 12 months minimum but before 20 months you can choose to trade in your old phone and get a new one. There are no down payments for either phone so there is that, you can get an iphone 5 64GB for no money down if you have good credit XD. BUT you would then pay an extra 40 some per month to make up for it. The average installments would be $20 with smartphones usually costing about 400 or more so after 12 months you would have paid $280 or more and if you sold your old phone you could buy a new one.
POINT: This is a blatant rip off, save up your money those months and sell the phone you save money, the price you pay for this simply gives ATT a larger profit, they will then resell the old phones you turn in which by the way have to be in perfect shape or there will be an additional charge for repairs. Anyone with sense will no do this.
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Oh and how this effect the unlock policy, currently any non iphone can be unlocked after 90 days of service in good standing. On this ATT NEXT plan you cannot unlock it until after the full 20 months.
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FAQ
What is AT&T Next?
AT&T offers you another choice for smartphone and tablet pricing. AT&T Next is a new way for you to get a new device every year. You have the choice after 12 monthly payments to trade it in for a new device or choose to keep it, and after 20 months, there are no more installment payments. No down payment, activation, upgrade, or financing fees are required — only sales tax on the device is due at time of purchase.
How can I take advantage of AT&T Next?
Visit att.com or a participating AT&T Company Owned Retail location to learn more about AT&T Next and to find out if you are eligible.
Are there additional charges?
Sales tax is charged on your new phone or tablet at the time of sale. There's no down payment and no activation fee.
Is a contract required with AT&T Next?
AT&T Next requires that you sign an installment agreement to pay for the device over 20 monthly payments. If you cancel your wireless service, the remaining unpaid balance on the device is due. A Wireless Customer Service Agreement (voice and data service) is required.
How many AT&T Next installment plans may I have on my account?
There's a limit of two per account.
What devices are eligible for AT&T Next?
At this time, customers can buy a smartphone or tablet with AT&T Next.
Do I own the device? Or is this a leasing offer?
The device is yours and you’re responsible for 20 monthly payments. You’re also responsible for any loss, theft, or damage to the device — both during the installment agreement period and after. We recommend you purchase the optional Mobile Insurance to protect your investment.
How do I get a new device every year with the program?
After your twelfth (12) installment payment, but before your twentieth (20) installment payment, if your wireless account is in good standing you may trade in the device. The device must be fully functional and in good physical condition. Select a new smartphone or tablet and a new 20-month agreement will start.
When I trade in my device after 12 months and get a new one, what is the length of my new installment plan?
When you trade in your device, no further installments are billed for the original device. You will start over with a new 20-month installment plan on your new device.
Will I be able to pay off this device early?
Yes, you have the option to pay off your installment agreement, but the full outstanding balance will be due immediately.
What payments are due if I cancel AT&T Next?
The full outstanding balance on your installment agreement becomes due.
What if I don't want to trade in my device after 12 months and I want to keep it?
You have the choice to either trade your phone in or keep your phone. If you keep it, after 20 months, it’s yours and no more installment payments are required.
What if my phone is damaged (e.g. cracked screen)? Can I still trade it in after 12 months?
Yes. However, we reserve the right to charge a fee to repair the device and return it to fully functional and good physical condition.
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This is a ripoff. Why is everyone trying to follow TMobile's BS? There's a reason why offer crap service.
I'm going to stick with my normal 2 year upgrades. AT&T has always offered me an early upgrade from 6 months-1year at the 2 year price. If that goes away and I have to put up with this BS, I'll be pissed.
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/16/att-next-upgrade-program/
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Interesting... I called this when T-mobile started this. It is almost better to pay full price for phones now... If you sell your current phone 300-450 and put the rest on a credit card you will still be saving money or just pay it up front. But the cancel at any time is pretty cool idea
But this may lead us to buy unlocked devices and not deal with locked bootloaders....
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This is a ripoff. Why is everyone trying to follow TMobile's BS? There's a reason why offer crap service.
I'm going to stick with my normal 2 year upgrades. AT&T has always offered me an early upgrade from 6 months-1year at the 2 year price. If that goes away and I have to put up with this BS, I'll be pissed.
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I am willing to bet that soon that will go away... Not sure how soon but eventually
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I am willing to bet that soon that will go away... Not sure how soon but eventually
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Yeah, this sucks. I might just start paying full price and sell the old phone. Much easier.
some quick calculations
S4 is $32/month. Would have paid $384 in a year.
If I just bought a Galaxy S4 for $629. I could sell it in a year for ~$400, so $229.
or
use your upgrade. $149 is what I spent on my Galaxy S4. Sell it for $450 in the Fall, pick up GNote3 on CL, etc. $500-550. Only out about ~$100-150. Sell GNote3 in the Spring for $450-500 for GS5.
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Yeah, this sucks. I might just start paying full price and sell the old phone. Much easier.
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same here, as I posted above... why not get the international unlocked version and be able to flash out of the box? Now with international phone having LTE I don't see a need to get carrier phones if it will cost us so much
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same here, as I posted above... why not get the international unlocked version and be able to flash out of the box? Now with international phone having LTE I don't see a need to get carrier phones if it will cost us so much
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I wonder if this also means that those early upgrades they used to give to iPhone owners are gone to. I have iPhones on the other lines on my family plan, so if I don't have an upgrade, I could bank on using one of those
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I wonder if this also means that those early upgrades they used to give to iPhone owners are gone to. I have iPhones on the other lines on my family plan, so if I don't have an upgrade, I could bank on using one of those
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I think those things will die off slowly. But I doubt it will be right away
I'm curious to see what else they talk about at their keynote.
I would really like them to do what US Cellular did. They brought back Unlimited Data, but it's ONLY valid for the 2 year contract length. After that, it's gone. If you try to break your contract, the ETF is $$$$. Let them charge $40/month for it. Still worth it over Sprint/TMobile, IMO
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I'm curious to see what else they talk about at their keynote.
I would really like them to do what US Cellular did. They brought back Unlimited Data, but it's ONLY valid for the 2 year contract length. After that, it's gone. If you try to break your contract, the ETF is $$$$. Let them charge $40/month for it. Still worth it over Sprint/TMobile, IMO
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It will be "Blah Blah Blah we want more of your money... Blah .... we will take it with force if we have to.... Blah .... what are you going to do about it... Blah Blah.... bend over and take it.... Blah I will be charging you a fee for listening to this keynote it will appear on your bill as a $10 Keynote charge... This will be added to your monthly bill to pay for future keynotes"
I think it's nice for it to be an option. Myself, I just buy out of contract if given a choice. It's nice to offer this and the traditional plan so some people who cant afford a phone outright can get one.
All the carriers new deals are all including trading in smartphones as of late. Usually you get ripped off as you can sell it yourself for more $. Selling my year and a half old iPhone 4S almost paid for my S4 in full out of contract..
20 month = same as unlocked upfront
12 month and upgrade to newer phone = 60% of cost one year lease... what a ripoff
Well it is AT&T
AT&T users better read the fine print before rejoicing. You’re still paying the same high monthly contract price for your no-contract plan. AT&T is double dipping into your wallet when those contract monthly plans has a subsidized phone calculated into them but you’re paying full price for the phone.
AT&T Mobile No Contract.
$70/m unlimited talk.
$20/m unlimted text.
$30/m 3GB data plan.
$32/m Samsung S4 monthly payment Next program.
+$10/m device insurance.
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$162
Compare with T-Mobile, and the price you pay for unlimited talk, text, and true unlimited, you’re just paying for the talk unlimited portion on AT&T. Not to mention, the insurance is built into the Tmo Jump program.
T-Mobile
$50/m unlimited talk/text.
$20/m unlimited data plan.
$20/m Samsung S4 monthly payment.
$10/m Jump program (includes premium device insurance).
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I guess Att thinks we can't do simple math.
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This is the most telling story I've seen about it so far...
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/16/4528404/att-next-phone-upgrade-plans-a-huge-ripoff
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This is the most telling story I've seen about it so far...
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/16/4528404/att-next-phone-upgrade-plans-a-huge-ripoff
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We all needs to repost this. Att needs to know we are not going for this crap.
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We all needs to repost this. Att needs to know we are not going for this crap.
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Absolutely. Repost, Facebook, Tweet, Link, +1, etc. Maybe this will cause a Xbox One-like backlash.
What I hate the most is that the majority of the people on this forum are stuck with AT&T until 2015 :crying:
You guys do realize this is an OPTION right? They are not forcing you to take this deal. Verizon also has a deal starting like this one as well. At least att is not forcing those with unlimited data to lose it when they want an upgrade like big red does. Att has always given OPTIONS unlike other carriers who force things down your throat. Remember that when you start typing your rant about how att sucks.
Also when was anything perfect at launch? I'm sure as time goes on and voices are heard, this plan will get made to make more sense.
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While it is an option, for now at least, so many people will fall for this scheme. People like my iPhone loving mother who is persuaded by "as seen on TV" adds will probably fall for this no matter what I say. Or teenage girls who beg their parents for the latest and greatest.
All they have to say is "NEW DEVICE EVERY YEAR". That's it. People will be overjoyed and they will make billions. Only our small subset of users will actually do the math.
Yeah att is simply bartering...if your selling something at a garage sale you always start with a high price and slowly lower until you reach an agrrement...att wants to make as much money as possible so they will start high and hopefully lower to find a price they still make profit and that people will go for...and as stated this plan is only a choice, we arent being forced to use the next plan
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I have a $285 etf right now
Say I early upgrade to a s3 mini at $12/mo ($250 full price) with the next promo. I can just pay off the $250 and leave with no penalty? Cheaper than paying my etf and I can sell those phones as new because I wouldn't keep them.
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I am on the Sprint Network and will stay with them for a variety of reasons. I have always had a contract with them and upgraded whenever that opportunity presented itself. I am no longer on a contract and I'm considering a few options. The Note 3 (probably won't go that way due to problems on voice calls), The LG G2 or the Nexus 5. Advantage of the Nexus 5 is that it is off contract but if I am staying with Sprint anyway what advantage is there to being off contract? Sprint won't discount my monthly bill as far as I know so the off contract advantage has me a bit puzzled from the purely dollars and cents point of view. I'd be happy to hear views from others as to why this seems like a good idea. I'm leaning toward the LG G2 which will likely have a better camera and battery than the Nexus 5 and it's only $99 at Sprint with the 2 year contract. I'd go for the Nexus 5 at 399 for the 32GB model if it meant something off my monthly bill but I don't see Sprint giving me a discount just because I bought the Nexus 5 off contract. What am I missing?
I am in the exact same situation as you, except I bought a Note 3 and just returned it. If the Sprint Nexus 5 is available through google play, you buy that, use your upgrade towards an iphone 5s and sell it sealed. If the Nexus 5 winds up being only available through Sprint, then I'm not so sure what I'm going to do.
You can change your mind and leave whenever you want. And with the nexus you will be able to go to any carrier you want (except Verizon).
All in all, it gives you more options on what service provider you want. I would recommend seeing what offers the best service (data and calls) and pick that carrier or see if you can go prepaid. I know straight talk offers at&t and T-Mobile Sim cards and its like $51 a month after taxes for unlimited everything with 2.5 GB uncapped data.
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You can change your mind and leave whenever you want. And with the nexus you will be able to go to any carrier you want (except Verizon).
All in all, it gives you more options on what service provider you want. I would recommend seeing what offers the best service (data and calls) and pick that carrier or see if you can go prepaid. I know straight talk offers at&t and T-Mobile Sim cards and its like $51 a month after taxes for unlimited everything with 2.5 GB uncapped data.
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Yes, I totally agree that there are A LOT of options. I've even thought about picking up Tmo @ $30/month, but I'm on Sero, only pay $50/month for unlimited everything, and my Sprint service has been fantastic since relocating to Orlando, FL. Oh decisions decisions
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I am in the exact same situation as you, except I bought a Note 3 and just returned it. If the Sprint Nexus 5 is available through google play, you buy that, use your upgrade towards an iphone 5s and sell it sealed. If the Nexus 5 winds up being only available through Sprint, then I'm not so sure what I'm going to do.
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Boom Baby. Haha
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Trying to weigh my options as well.
My 2 year contract expired many months ago. I can buy the 16g Nexus 5 for $150 if I sign a new 2 year agreement, I can change to the Sprint One Up plan so I can be eligible for a new phone once a year (not sure pricing details), or I can buy through the Google Playstore for $350/$400. I have so many family members tied to the plan I am on I probably wouldn't switch carriers.
So if I bought through Google and in a year's time I wanted to switch phones I guess I could sell the Nexus 5 then use my upgrade to buy whatever phone I wanted. If I buy through Sprint, the upfront cost is cheaper, but I will have to wait a couple years if I want to switch phones.
Decisions, what do ya'll think?
For someone off-contract but that wants to stick with their post-paid account, the only advantage is flexibility. If coverage or financial conditions changed, you have the choice to be able to switch providers with no termination fees.
The only real exception to that would be the newer T-Mobile post-paid accounts where they do offer plans with lower base costs per month because they split off the phone subsidy, so if you bring your own phone you pay less since you aren't using a subsidy.
If you have a high degree of confidence you will be staying with your current contract provider and that other things like your financial situation will remain stable, I would say it makes more sense to just re-up with them and choose whatever phone you want from them. As far as which one, read some reviews and then try them out in-person at your local provider's store. Everyone has slightly different things they want out of phones, so without specific criteria it would be hard to say whether a Nexus 5 would still be the best phone for you.
I agree with you, flexibility is the main advantage of staying off contract. I've had an S3 for the last couple of years and am getting the itch to switch. If the HTC One came out today I would probably get that because I love the looks and build of it and I liked my original Evo, but it's so "old" now I want something newer - LG G2, Nexus 5 or some other upcoming phone.
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For someone off-contract but that wants to stick with their post-paid account, the only advantage is flexibility. If coverage or financial conditions changed, you have the choice to be able to switch providers with no termination fees.
The only real exception to that would be the newer T-Mobile post-paid accounts where they do offer plans with lower base costs per month because they split off the phone subsidy, so if you bring your own phone you pay less since you aren't using a subsidy.
If you have a high degree of confidence you will be staying with your current contract provider and that other things like your financial situation will remain stable, I would say it makes more sense to just re-up with them and choose whatever phone you want from them. As far as which one, read some reviews and then try them out in-person at your local provider's store. Everyone has slightly different things they want out of phones, so without specific criteria it would be hard to say whether a Nexus 5 would still be the best phone for you.
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It always amazes me how people would rather be in a contract that will require them to pay between $1-2,000 more over two years, instead of buying a phone outright and upfront, and save the money. Unless someone is too broke to afford a phone upfront... Of course if you can't afford a phone upfront, you likely can't afford a $100 monthly cell phone bill either.
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It always amazes me how people would rather be in a contract that will require them to pay between $1-2,000 more over two years, instead of buying a phone outright and upfront, and save the money. Unless someone is too broke to afford a phone upfront... Of course if you can't afford a phone upfront, you likely can't afford a $100 monthly cell phone bill either.
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Sure, but for people who only pay $50/month for essentially unlimited everything ( 1000 landline minutes, unlimited mobile minutes, texts, and data), subsidizing phones works in our favor.
We've been w/Sprint forever and have numerous phones on the account. I'm one of the ones who pays $50 for unlimited. I'm assuming I would continue to pay $50/month whether I bought a phone outright or through contract. I doubt if I bought a phone off contract my bill would be lower than $50/month.
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Sure, but for people who only pay $50/month for essentially unlimited everything ( 1000 landline minutes, unlimited mobile minutes, texts, and data), subsidizing phones works in our favor.
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If your on contract, why not buy the phone through google play and just use that on Sprint til you leave for ATT/Tmo?
I'm off contract, like a year now.
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If your on contract, why not buy the phone through google play and just use that on Sprint til you leave for ATT/Tmo?
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If you buy from the Play Store, you are paying full price (although a VERY good price) for an unsubsidized phone. But Sprint does not give you any break on the plan price, you still pay the same rate as the guy who got his N5 through Sprint for $49. So WHY stay with Sprint? Why not one of the much lower priced Sprint MVNO's? Just asking....
Good Reasons..
The $49 phone will likely be SIM-locked. In addition to getting the ability to use the phone on any GSM network in the world, this would likely increase the resale price in ebay when you get your next phone.
You will not pay the $36 activation with the Play Store phone, further reducing the differential.
Plus, in California, you would have to pay sales tax on the full Sprint retail price of $449, reducing the differential by another $9 or so.
You can buy an Iphone 5s at the subsidized price, never open the box, and sell it on ebay. You will get far more than the differential between the $149 and the $349.
There is absolutely no evidence to support an idea that the Nexus 5 bought through Sprint is sim locked. As to the MVNO question is there an MVNO that has triband access to Sprint?
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There is absolutely no evidence to support an idea that the Nexus 5 bought through Sprint is sim locked. As to the MVNO question is there an MVNO that has triband access to Sprint?
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History often repeats. Sprint has never sold a phone that was SIM unlocked for US use. They have in the past sold some phones that were unlocked for internatioal use, but morw recently they have been sold locked for all GSM networks.
I would bet a signficant sum of money that it will be locked.
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The $49 phone will likely be SIM-locked. In addition to getting the ability to use the phone on any GSM network in the world, this would likely increase the resale price in ebay when you get your next phone.
You will not pay the $36 activation with the Play Store phone, further reducing the differential.
Plus, in California, you would have to pay sales tax on the full Sprint retail price of $449, reducing the differential by another $9 or so.
You can buy an Iphone 5s at the subsidized price, never open the box, and sell it on ebay. You will get far more than the differential between the $149 and the $349.
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I did this yesterday. Bought a 32gig iphone 5c for $199. Walked in gamestop and got $582 for it... Net $382 profit for me to pay for my Nexus5 outright.
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History often repeats. Sprint has never sold a phone that was SIM unlocked for US use. They have in the past sold some phones that were unlocked for internatioal use, but morw recently they have been sold locked for all GSM networks.
I would bet a significant sum of money that it will be locked.
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The guy at sprint when I was buying the 5c said the sprint Nexus5 will be locked to sprint only. I asked why the price difference for a less desirable phone? He was like, hey, I only work here... I would buy the Nex5 from google if you can afford it.
jalanjkcarp said:
There is absolutely no evidence to support an idea that the Nexus 5 bought through Sprint is sim locked. As to the MVNO question is there an MVNO that has triband access to Sprint?
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Ting and Ringplus currently offer access to Sprint LTE and both say they will support the Nexus 5 (unless Sprint vetoes it).
Tomeygun said:
I did this yesterday. Bought a 32gig iphone 5c for $199. Walked in gamestop and got $582 for it... Net $382 profit for me to pay for my Nexus5 outright.
The guy at sprint when I was buying the 5c said the sprint Nexus5 will be locked to sprint only. I asked why the price difference for a less desirable phone? He was like, hey, I only work here... I would buy the Nex5 from google if you can afford it.
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Guys at the Sprint store have also said in recent days that you can't activiate a phone on Sprint unless it has a Sprint logo.
All I'm saying is Sprint appears to be a new ballgame under Softbank ownership. With the pressures from T-Mobile's new attitude and stodgy attitude of the big gorilla Verizon, don't assume anything about Sprint right now in my opinion.
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Guys at the Sprint store have also said in recent days that you can't activiate a phone on Sprint unless it has a Sprint logo.
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There are already multiple threads with people getting Sprint SIMs for the Play Store version as well as news reports from reputable sites stating that the Play Store version can be activated on Sprint.
The real question is, how many people who lose their Sprint subsidized Nexus 5 will then pay $449 to Sprint (for a likely locked phone) instead of $349 to Google?
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How did you get that price? Gamestop website says they will pay $378: http://www.gamestop.com/recommerce/...ducttitle=Apple+iPhone+5S+32GB+Sprint+-+A1453
Tomeygun said:
I did this yesterday. Bought a 32gig iphone 5c for $199. Walked in gamestop and got $582 for it... Net $382 profit for me to pay for my Nexus5 outright.
The guy at sprint when I was buying the 5c said the sprint Nexus5 will be locked to sprint only. I asked why the price difference for a less desirable phone? He was like, hey, I only work here... I would buy the Nex5 from google if you can afford it.
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[/COLOR]How did you get that price? Gamestop website says they will pay $378: http://www.gamestop.com/recommerce/...ducttitle=Apple+iPhone+5S+32GB+Sprint+-+A1453
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That link is the 5s, I bought the 5c:
http://www.gamestop.com/recommerce/...ducttitle=Apple+iPhone+5c+32GB+Sprint+-+A1456
Trade in is $448 (store credit), plus if you buy ANY used game(even one for a dollar).... they will give you 30% more for your trade in. 448 x 1.3 = $582.
Then you just use all that store credit for gift cards. I got all shell gas cards... I spend about 400/month in fuel, so its like pre-paying for my fuel, and using the funds I would have spent on fuel... for my nexus.
I even bought a few used 4s models off craigslist, met at sprint... then traded them in at gamestop for a profit same day.
Beware gamestop has google PLAY gift cards, but they cannot be used for hardware.
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You will not pay the $36 activation with the Play Store phone, further reducing the differential.
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Is that true? I thought activation charge was mandatory on every phone that hasn't ever been activated on Sprint's network
jj14 said:
Is that true? I thought activation charge was mandatory on every phone that hasn't ever been activated on Sprint's network
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This is not true. Only phones you buy from sprint or places representing sprint like best buy and radio shack have activation fees.
Only reason I'm staying with Sprint is due to an employee discount. My second choice would be T-Mobile. Sprint reception in my area isn't really THAT bad. I don't ever get dropped calls. But, the data is slow as balls though, so that's kind of a disappointment. For some reason too, I keep having faith that Sprint will implement LTE in my area (Sacramento) which I've been receiving little bits of. I'm not looking forward to activating my Nexus, though.. Seems like it'll be a pain.
lafester said:
This is not true. Only phones you buy from sprint or places representing sprint like best buy and radio shack have activation fees.
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I certainly hope you are right (Some of the Sprint reps usually have no idea what they are talking about).
In the past, I've bought unactivated phones from craigslist, and have had to pay activation fees (but they likely bought it from Sprint in the first place). Hopefully, Google play purchases are exempt from this charge. I'll update this post once I receive and activate my phone later this week.
illek46 said:
If you buy from the Play Store, you are paying full price (although a VERY good price) for an unsubsidized phone. But Sprint does not give you any break on the plan price, you still pay the same rate as the guy who got his N5 through Sprint for $49. So WHY stay with Sprint? Why not one of the much lower priced Sprint MVNO's? Just asking....
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I'll give you my two reasons:
1. Still on contract
2. Have Sprint Family Plan, so the economy does work out
Why stay on Sprint at all?
Sprint is the only carrier that has a tower in the perfect place to penetrate signal where I work (in basement level offices).
Tomeygun said:
I did this yesterday. Bought a 32gig iphone 5c for $199. Walked in gamestop and got $582 for it... Net $382 profit for me to pay for my Nexus5 outright.
The guy at sprint when I was buying the 5c said the sprint Nexus5 will be locked to sprint only. I asked why the price difference for a less desirable phone? He was like, hey, I only work here... I would buy the Nex5 from google if you can afford it.
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Perhaps you live in a state with no sales tax? I'm in California, so the $199 Iphone 5c is actually $271. However, the 30% bonus combined with buying some sort of stored value card is a great idea. Unfortunately, I don't drive a gasolin car, so the Shell cards won't work for me, I'll have to see what else they have in stock.
ronwi2 said:
Perhaps you live in a state with no sales tax? I'm in California, so the $199 Iphone 5c is actually $271. However, the 30% bonus combined with buying some sort of stored value card is a great idea. Unfortunately, I don't drive a gasolin car, so the Shell cards won't work for me, I'll have to see what else they have in stock.
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Yes and no, sales tax only on the amount spent - so like $12.
A friend of mine got all google play gift cards... and because you cant buy hardware with google play credit, he called and got a "one time" refund of his entire play balance in the form of a check. Boom, cash for his Nex5
Ps - got my nex5 yesterday. paranoid to even carry it without a case, still rocking the evo lte...
Tomeygun said:
I did this yesterday. Bought a 32gig iphone 5c for $199. Walked in gamestop and got $582 for it... Net $382 profit for me to pay for my Nexus5 outright.
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Good thing you did that when you did. Gamestop is showing only $250 trade in value for a Sprint 32 GB 5C now, which would be only $300 with the 30% bonus.
illek46 said:
If you buy from the Play Store, you are paying full price (although a VERY good price) for an unsubsidized phone. But Sprint does not give you any break on the plan price, you still pay the same rate as the guy who got his N5 through Sprint for $49. So WHY stay with Sprint? Why not one of the much lower priced Sprint MVNO's? Just asking....
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Because the guy getting his N5 for $49 is joining Sprint as a new customer and porting his/her number to Sprint as well otherwise he is paying $149 not $49 and a $36 one time activation fee as well. Also, this person can only be a new customer once and not everytime. We were all new customers to a carrier at one time and got to benefit from the subsidy model at some point.
I'm not one to play the song and dance of bed-hopping from carrier to carrier every few months or thereabouts. Longetivity sometimes counts, in my case, counts for a lot. Been with the same carrier going on 14 yrs now. Guess what i pay including taxes, ~$58, i get 500 anytime, unlimited N/W @ 7pm, unlimited M2M, unlimited SMS/MMS, unlimited data 3G/LTE, roaming etc.
A plan like this would typically run double, and for the MVNO, you get rationed on the data (which still meets most people's needs anyway).
When new stuff comes out, i can either choose to re-up, get the subsidy price and continue with my plan, or buy the phone outright and continue with my plan. I'm usually never in a hurry to have the cool stuff on day one. For example, rather than re-up for a Note 2 at whatever the 2yr extension price was when it was all the rage (it still is :fingers-crossed: ), i just bought it off CList for 300 mint in box. Either way, in my case, i'm just peachy.
ronwi2 said:
Good thing you did that when you did. Gamestop is showing only $250 trade in value for a Sprint 32 GB 5C now, which would be only $300 with the 30% bonus.
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yeah saw that. Stopped my little business cold (buying on craiglist, selling to gamestop). Seems like someone got caught paying too much... hehe
Ok so i plan on getting the $30 tmobile plan on the nexus 5 but that 100 minute thing is going to kill me. what can i do as an alternative?
havy15 said:
Ok so i plan on getting the $30 tmobile plan on the nexus 5 but that 100 minute thing is going to kill me. what can i do as an alternative?
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As an alternative you can.... not get it.
buy 40$ refills since minutes after 100 are 10c per min. Then whatever you dont use is carried over. I usually use 34$ a month.
havy15 said:
Ok so i plan on getting the $30 tmobile plan on the nexus 5 but that 100 minute thing is going to kill me. what can i do as an alternative?
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I assume this is a non-contract plan? Do they have more that are non-contract? T-Mobile, in my opinion, has royally screwed its customers. By not allowing customers to upgrade their phones the old way (getting a phone for next to nothing when the customers signs a new 2 year agreement). And their customer service, in my opinion (again) used to be amazing. It has gone to complete crap.
I left them, in contract, so I was happy to pay the 200$ early termination fee to get rid of them.
Doesn't TMobile now have non-contract plans for every new customer? I am not too familiar with them now, since I switched, but I thought this was the case?
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overlord727 said:
buy 40$ refills since minutes after 100 are 10c per min. Then whatever you dont use is carried over. I usually use 34$ a month.
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Ahh I fellow Maryland-er, in the same city as me... Good deal.
gsteelx said:
I assume this is a non-contract plan? Do they have more that are non-contract? T-Mobile, in my opinion, has royally screwed its customers. By not allowing customers to upgrade their phones the old way (getting a phone for next to nothing when the customers signs a new 2 year agreement). And their customer service, in my opinion (again) used to be amazing. It has gone to complete crap.
I left them, in contract, so I was happy to pay the 200$ early termination fee to get rid of them.
Doesn't TMobile now have non-contract plans for every new customer? I am not too familiar with them now, since I switched, but I thought this was the case?
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yeah its non contract now. and since they bought out metro they have increased their coverage. which i live in Cali so i heard its good reception.
overlord727 said:
buy 40$ refills since minutes after 100 are 10c per min. Then whatever you dont use is carried over. I usually use 34$ a month.
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i heard there are apps you can use though but i tried googling they said google voice, but some say it doesn't work.
umm
havy15 said:
Ok so i plan on getting the $30 tmobile plan on the nexus 5 but that 100 minute thing is going to kill me. what can i do as an alternative?
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Maybe not go with that plan?
havy15 said:
Ok so i plan on getting the $30 tmobile plan on the nexus 5 but that 100 minute thing is going to kill me. what can i do as an alternative?
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There are other choices - might I kindly suggest that you "skim" thru this thread with extensive info & how-to's, etc. - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2476995&page=82 (yes, I know & understand that, like most, "we" all hate to read to try to understand how things work .. )
You did NOT indicate what your data needs or usage pattern are - but if you plan to use the Nexus 5 for lots of mobile air minutes to talk, there are unlimited plans for that. Priced accordingly & competitively, they do vary & might / might not have good coverage for your location.
There is Straight Talk, Simple Mobile, and the Walmart plan ... Lately, Target has its own exclusive "Brightspot" plans. Like here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2511152&page=3
Or, do as I say & listen to what I do - leave a reserve fund (like a credit line) for excess minute charges to be deducted once you go over & yes, T-Mo will SMS alert you and you can do short codes to check your account status.
The "Search" button here on XDA - it does miracle finds, usually & often - use it. Have a nice day !
gsteelx said:
I assume this is a non-contract plan? Do they have more that are non-contract? T-Mobile, in my opinion, has royally screwed its customers. By not allowing customers to upgrade their phones the old way (getting a phone for next to nothing when the customers signs a new 2 year agreement). And their customer service, in my opinion (again) used to be amazing. It has gone to complete crap.
I left them, in contract, so I was happy to pay the 200$ early termination fee to get rid of them.
Doesn't TMobile now have non-contract plans for every new customer? I am not too familiar with them now, since I switched, but I thought this was the case?
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all (new) plans from tmobile are non-contract
Tmobile basically separated the phone subsidy with the phone line.
(I don't know the exact numbers, but someone can chime in)
Before, you would be paying $130{?} for 2 lines on t-mobile. now, you'll be paying $80 for 2 lines. You can CHOOSE to finance two Samsung Galaxy S4 phones @ $25/month for 24 months with $0 down, which gives you a monthly fee of $130, similar to before... but the extra $25 a month stops exactly after 24 months. you just can also choose not to take the "free" phone...
As you said, you aren't happy with what T-mobile is doing, then go back to the other 3 carriers (which do the same contract thing. though at&t finally follow t-mobile and added a off-contract $15 discount)... I'm happy with what T-mobile is doing...
paperWastage said:
all (new) plans from tmobile are non-contract
Tmobile basically separated the phone subsidy with the phone line.
(I don't know the exact numbers, but someone can chime in)
Before, you would be paying $130{?} for 2 lines on t-mobile. now, you'll be paying $80 for 2 lines. You can CHOOSE to finance two Samsung Galaxy S4 phones @ $25/month for 24 months with $0 down, which gives you a monthly fee of $130, similar to before... but the extra $25 a month stops exactly after 24 months. you just can also choose not to take the "free" phone...
As you said, you aren't happy with what T-mobile is doing, then go back to the other 3 carriers (which do the same contract thing)... I'm happy with what T-mobile is doing...
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Yeah, I am on another carrier now.
Who would finance a phone? That's asinine. I mean if you have to do it, you have to do it, but that doesn't make sense to me.
For me, I was with T-Mobile for 7+ years. I felt as though I got screwed. It may be good for new customers, but not previous customers. It was a big slap in the face for long time customers.
gsteelx said:
Yeah, I am on another carrier now.
Who would finance a phone? That's asinine. I mean if you have to do it, you have to do it, but that doesn't make sense to me.
For me, I was with T-Mobile for 7+ years. I felt as though I got screwed. It may be good for new customers, but not previous customers. It was a big slap in the face for long time customers.
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and you are just playing into the trap that AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/{T-mobile} have been playing for the past 10x years.... let the customers get "free" phones every 2 years, but hide the cost within the phone line
now, it's separate... it's the same price as before, just that customers can choose to finance a phone, or not finance a phone(and save $25/month). if you can't see that you have better choices, then sorry, AT&T/Verizon/Sprint would love you. you are the customer that they want
if you had a grandfathered plan, t-mobile would actually give you a better deal(than new customers), to entice you to switch
http://slickdeals.net/f/6340984-heads-up-t-mobile-grandfathered-plans-are-being-eliminated
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and you are just playing into the trap that AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/{T-mobile} have been playing for the past 10x years.... let the customers get "free" phones every 2 years, but hide the cost within the phone line
now, it's separate... it's the same price as before, just that customers can choose to finance a phone, or not finance a phone(and save $25/month). if you can't see that you have better choices, then sorry, AT&T/Verizon/Sprint would love you
if you had a grandfathered plan, t-mobile would actually give you a better deal(than new customers), to entice you to switch
http://slickdeals.net/f/6340984-heads-up-t-mobile-grandfathered-plans-are-being-eliminated
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You could be right, but I am happy with that way of doing business... No worries.
yeah im on verizon now and its just ridiculous .
I'm not going to read the T-Mobile$30 plan thread since I have a working solution.
But for my daughter I set her up with a Callcentric number, Google Voice and Google Voice Callback (available in the Amazon app store) and now she receives and makes all calls over IP.
I find the quality ok when I talk to her though occasionally there are voice delays when I'm using internet calling also.