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Update [3/7] I uploaded day and night samples using manual mode, ISO 100 and let the phone do the rest as requested. The pictures are in my Google Drive link below for everyone to download the full sized images since they get compressed on the forum.
Update [2/29] All pictures taken were either using Auto mode, HDR+ unless otherwise noted. I'm using a Manfrotto tripod from my DSLR for the night photos to keep the photos consistent. I took 5-10 photos for each scene and picked the best one from each phone before posting them here. I will provide a link to the full image located below so they can be viewed without the possibility of being downsized.
I did not edit any of the pictures, and both were taken with a 4:3 12MP setup for maximum resolution. I will add more photos throughout the next couple of days and post my comments as I go.
[2/29]: The 6P clearly is taking significantly better pictures so far. The S7E's photos look washed out despite having a 'better' sensor, so I hope Samsung addresses this issue promptly.
I stopped into my local Bestbuy and had a look at the S7E. I ordered a silver one for reference. I took some pictures side by side with the S7E and my 6P to see how the camera stacks up. I'm honestly surprised because I thought the 6P took better pictures, but this is only one scenario. I'll do a full write up when my S7E comes along with night photos and the works. Have a look at the few samples below and let me know what you think.
Off topic: let's try to keep things relatively on topic, no bashing or dumb arguing please. I am a Nexus fan, but I'm always open to trying new things. With that statement in mind let's have a nice discussion
Here's a link to all of the pictures on my Google drive (for the original pictures that I removed)
Here's a link to all of the pictures on my Google drive
Here is the link to the second set of photos
Here are the new pictures for the official review:
Official Comparison photos link
This 1 picture is the ONLY one that I took using a tripod
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S7E
Nexus 6P
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S7E
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I wanted to share my impressions of the S7E after using it for a day of pictures. The S7E takes nice pictures when there is ample light, but the post processing usually causes the pictures to seem overexposed. The HDR mode also doesn't seem to make a big difference during normal shooting like it should (aka it doesn't bring out the dark areas/shadows well). I like how fast it focuses despite the often washed out colors it produces. I want to like the camera, but it's hard to really enjoy using it when the pictures are ok not great. The camera is still good by all means, yet it falls short most of the time compared to the 6P. I took a lot of pictures in less than ideal lighting while it was cold out this morning. The S7E should have an advantage because the camera has OIS, but the 6P still consistently produced better pictures. If Samsung doesn't address the short comings of the camera (which they are promoting heavily), then that might be a deal breaker for some people. I will post another update with more pictures after I use it some more later this week.
HDR Test: Here are some pictures that were requested with and without HDR and NO tripod.
HDR Test
HDR Test_1
S7E HDR
S7E NO HDR
Nexus 6P HDR
Nexus 6P NO HDR
HDR Test_2
S7E HDR
S7E NO HDR
Nexus 6P HDR
Nexus 6P NO HDR
[3/5] Update: Here are some pictures from Pittsburgh today including some panoramas. As per usual I also uploaded the images to the drive link above along with 2 videos (1 for each phone panning so you can see the difference OIS makes). Lastly, there are pictures I took tonight with the S7E using Auto, HDR, and Manual for the same scene.
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Panorama
S7E Pano 1
S7E Pano 2
Nexus 6P Pano 1
Nexus 6P Pano 2
City
S7E City 1
S7E City 2
Nexus 6P City 1
Nexus 6P City 2
Manual Mode Test S7E:
S7E Auto No HDR
S7E HDR
S7E Manual
While both are excellent it appears the Samsung trumps the Nexus 6p which is not surprising. Text in the SAMSUNG pics are clearer with the exception of the first picture where maybe your hand wobbled , than the Nexus. Pictures seem a bit brighter with the Samsung . Either way I wouldn't be unhappy with either one of them as I do own nexus the Nexus and praise its camera. Just an FYI, many have determined if you upload a picture directly into XDA the quality suffers. Far better to use a third party app with a link.
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markwebb said:
While both are excellent it appears the Samsung trumps the Nexus 6p which is not surprising. Text in the SAMSUNG pics are clearer with the exception of the first picture where maybe your hand wobbled , than the Nexus. Pictures seem a bit brighter with the Samsung . Either way I wouldn't be unhappy with either one of them as I do own nexus the Nexus and praise its camera. Just an FYI, many have determined if you upload a picture directly into XDA the quality suffers. Far better to use a third party app with a link.
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I'll happily link the images via Google drive for everyone to see. My hand was stable while taking the pictures and I took 5-6 of each scene and picked the best for each phone to upload. Personally the Samsung took pictures that were brighter but they look less natural. Look at the text on the Samsung display for example it's more clear and not washed out on the 6P's picture. I think the S7E has a lot of potential and I will gladly take tons of pictures when I get it in the coming weeks. I'll add them drive link to the OP so check back in about 5 min for it.
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I like the Nexus 6P pictures. Like the OP said, they look more natural.
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I like the Nexus 6P pictures. Like the OP said, they look more natural.
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The S7E takes HDR+ photos instantly which is nice, but the post processing is a little over the top. I took at least 200 pictures messing around and the 6P ones still look more natural. I'm not saying that's good or bad, but it's am observation. I bought the S7E for the camera and waterproofing as a backup phone. I expected the camera to be a little better, but I'll wait until I have my unit in hand to make a final decision about it.
For what it's worth, I personally think the S7 took better pictures than the 6p - if you look specifically at the shots of the balloons and the one of the store - in both, the 6p is darker - while the S7 looks more natually light - both are excellent but IMHO the S7 looks better.
I have a 6p - and I love it - personally I always thought my Note 5 took better photos - and I was dissapointed that the S7 went down in size from 16mb on the note to 12mb on the S7 - but that pixel thing (double pixels) that samsung added to the S7 may actually make it better. Can't wait to get my hands on it...
Interesting comparison.
Few observations:
- Looks like the white balance/colors look a bit more vibrant on the S7E (but perhaps not as real to life?)
- Maybe this is due to F1.7, but it seems that anything generating light seems to be blown out on the S7E (ie look at the ceiling lights, and lit up signs)
- The S7E pics look a bit blurry/not focus in a lot of the pictures, particularly in the background. Wonder why this is
I love both Nexus and Samsung devices so I find this comparison interesting, thanks OP. It's just odd because when I owned a 6p, I compared it against the S6 Edge and found the latter to take better pics.
Best buys are highly lit. Nothing looks natural there. S7 pic looked much more accurate in my opinion. The balloon pic is no contest.
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For what it's worth, I personally think the S7 took better pictures than the 6p - if you look specifically at the shots of the balloons and the one of the store - in both, the 6p is darker - while the S7 looks more natually light - both are excellent but IMHO the S7 looks better.
I have a 6p - and I love it - personally I always thought my Note 5 took better photos - and I was dissapointed that the S7 went down in size from 16mb on the note to 12mb on the S7 - but that pixel thing (double pixels) that samsung added to the S7 may actually make it better. Can't wait to get my hands on it...
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That's how the S7E would focus. I didn't enable touch to focus for to so I let the phone determine what to focus on and took the pictures. The 'double pixels' only refer to the focusing pixels. The 6P has a laser to assist with focusing, so both do a good job at acquiring a fast target. I noticed the S7E wouldn't focus when I put my finger within a inch or so of the sensor and the same is true of the 6P. I have a DSLR, so I never expect a phone to come close to that quality, depth of field etc.
TL,DR the double pixels are only there to focus and the 6P has bigger individual pixels than the S7. Check the IMX377 zenzor that's in the 6P vs the IMX260
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Interesting comparison.
Few observations:
- Looks like the white balance/colors look a bit more vibrant on the S7E (but perhaps not as real to life?)
- Maybe this is due to F1.7, but it seems that anything generating light seems to be blown out on the S7E (ie look at the ceiling lights, and lit up signs)
- The S7E pics look a bit blurry/not focus in a lot of the pictures, particularly in the background. Wonder why this is
I love both Nexus and Samsung devices so I find this comparison interesting, thanks OP. It's just odd because when I owned a 6p, I compared it against the S6 Edge and found the latter to take better pics.
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It's possible the f1.7 takes in more light despite its smaller actual pixel size vs the IMX377. A lot of the issues could be post processing which Google doesn't really rely upon as much as other OEMs. The 6P has a great camera and I'm sure the S7E will too when I get it to really see how the performance is. I have no doubt that both phones will perform well, yet I'm left wondering about how the IMX260 will be at night conapred to the IMX377 (phones aside).
I will try to be as unbiased as I can be when responding. I've owned tons of phones (S3, Note 3, G3, S5, Moto X 2nd gen, Nexus 6, Zenphone 2, Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P etc...), so I've seen all kinds of cameras. The S6/S6E/Note 5 did win when taking videos (6P sucks at die to only having EIS), and they day pxitures are great/on par with the 6P if not better on occasion. It was for a Nexus to take good pictures in general before this generation.
Thank you for the test.
It is however the AF, noise, dynamic range and colour accuracy under not-so-ideal lighting conditions that really shows if there is a big difference between the two.
ISO 1600, very low light, no flash, 1/10-1/30s shutter time.
If anybody can post such comparisons, make my day
Here's an ISO 1250 no-flash shot from GSM Arena test for S7:
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/16/mwc2016-samsung/s7-edge-day/camera/gsmarena_040.jpg
Not good for s7...
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Not good for s7...
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What isn't? The S7 clearly has a fantastic camera, your post makes zero sense.
I feel the exposure is too much for S7 camera? Do we need to turn down the exposure since it has a f1.7???
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What isn't? The S7 clearly has a fantastic camera, your post makes zero sense.
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sorry but it's not what i see in this photos.
I see no gap of qualitiy (against a 6p Oo) and even yellow filter, too much deformation. There is clearly a problem... perhaps jpeg threatment?
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sorry but it's not what i see in this photos.
I see no gap of qualitiy (against a 6p Oo) and even yellow filter, too much deformation. There is clearly a problem... perhaps jpeg threatment?
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_edge_mwc_2016-review-1400.php
I'm clearly reading the photos different than you in that case. But instead of making a rash judgement on photos taken in a bright shop floor on an S7 with an unknown and no doubt pre-release firmware on it, check the photos out in that link, particularly those in low light. It's clearly a fantastic camera.
Canard caché said:
sorry but it's not what i see in this photos.
I see no gap of qualitiy (against a 6p Oo) and even yellow filter, too much deformation. There is clearly a problem... perhaps jpeg threatment?
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If you look at the EXIF data for the pictures they both had similar ISO values for the images. This test was by no means scientific, but I think it gives people a good general idea of what to expect. I'm not sure if the software on it is the final build, but it did have the February security patch. The S7E did seem a little noisier around and overexposed in some areas unfortunately. As I mentioned before both were on auto mode and I didn't tap to focus on either phone. I'll wait until I get my phone to do a real full comparison and post it here. I enjoy taking pictures, and would like to see how the S7E performs with the lens kit too. It was nice how the S7E took a HDR+ picture without the ~>1 second it takes the 6P when I was messing with it. There is a manual "pro" mode in the app which could assist with taking better pictures, but it should still capture good images using auto.
The white balance is different, and it can be altered afterwards to suit taste. The S7 pictures look cooler, Nikon-like, while the 6P pictures look warmer, Canon-like. Looking at the pixel level, the Samsung seems to have less noise. And also looking at the ceilings, the Samsung shows the ceiling close to its real color while the 6P shows it in a brownish color. I also wonder what color did the watch holder LED from the picture really has. Is it blue (like the Samsung shows) or white (like the 6P shows) ?
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_edge_mwc_2016-review-1400.php
I'm clearly reading the photos different than you in that case. But instead of making a rash judgement on photos taken in a bright shop floor on an S7 with an unknown and no doubt pre-release firmware on it, check the photos out in that link, particularly those in low light. It's clearly a fantastic camera.
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I didnt make rash judgement and everybody know what i judged => the pics here.
Yeah we ll see when a true test comparison goes out. BUT for now, it's not good at all (IN THIS PICS)
And the gsmarena article=> really im not impressed at all. I have the same effect with my s6 and post threatments...
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If you look at the EXIF data for the pictures they both had similar ISO values for the images. This test was by no means scientific, but I think it gives people a good general idea of what to expect. I'm not sure if the software on it is the final build, but it did have the February security patch. The S7E did seem a little noisier around and overexposed in some areas unfortunately. As I mentioned before both were on auto mode and I didn't tap to focus on either phone. I'll wait until I get my phone to do a real full comparison and post it here. I enjoy taking pictures, and would like to see how the S7E performs with the lens kit too. It was nice how the S7E took a HDR+ picture without the ~>1 second it takes the 6P when I was messing with it. There is a manual "pro" mode in the app which could assist with taking better pictures, but it should still capture good images using auto.
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indeed we'll see. I just tell what i'm seeing... that's all (im concerned for my preorder)
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I didnt make rash judgement and everybody know what i judged => the pics here.
Yeah we ll see when a true test comparison goes out. BUT for now, it's not good at all (IN THIS PICS)
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And in my view claiming the S7 photos in this thread are "not good at all" is ridiculous. You can argue the 6P photos are better, but that doesn't equate to the same thing.
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And in my view claiming the S7 photos in this thread are "not good at all" is ridiculous. You can argue the 6P photos are better, but that doesn't equate to the same thing.
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hu so there are things we can say but other we can't?
i have both phone and been playing with them to see if i keep the gs7 edge. It is an amazing phone but one thing i notice and I'm very picky about it is the screen quality. Mostly the whites. I notice that my nexus 6p gets brighter and whiter than s7 edge both in max brighness. While reviews and people will declare Samsung galaxy to have the best screen without testing, i did some. Something that i have seen in the past is that gs5 & gs6 always had a lower end brighnes a whiter screen than its notes brother. Hands down note 5 still have the best screen right now and i believe the same will be for the galaxy note 6 line.
Not very good pics but someone who has both phone can do the same just to confirm this.
BOTH PHONE MAX BRIGHNESS.
Gs7 left & nexus 6p right
EDIT: if you see both side by side the galaxy s7 edge screen looks better because is using super amoled. is so attach to the screen that icons seen to be pupping out of the screen. not the same in the nexus 6p which is amoled and the screen seems way behind the glass. Also looking very closely at the nexus 6p icons i can see sharpness artifact while the galaxy s7 edge screen seems to be using some kind of filter to make icon look smooth without causing any blur to it. They both look has sharp.
I'm using mine in amoled cinema and it doesn't hold a candle to the 6P I had. Which setting did you have your S7E on when you compared?
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I'm using mine in amoled cinema and it doesn't hold a candle to the 6P I had. Which setting did you have your S7E on when you compared?
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stock setting which is adaptive. cinema make color more vibrant (punchier). basic and photo does make the screen look yellowish but i was not using those.
edit: you where right changing my color profile from adaptive to cinema make screen brighter and just has white but it add those punchy colors.
They're picking at anything now lol
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Another thing to take into consideration is the bump in brightness that it may do in direct sunlight that goes beyond the max brightness setting. I'm inside right now at work so can't test to be sure but I remember my S6 would punch up the brightness in direct sunlight beyond what I could manually set it to, I think the S7E does the same. I don't remember the 6P being able to do that although I won't argue that for the price, I was impressed with the quality of the screen on the 6P.
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While reviews and people will declare Samsung galaxy to have the best screen without testing, i did some.
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Analytical and thorough testing from Displaymate.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S7_ShootOut_1.htm
6p is nowhere near as good: I have returned 4 of them due to pink screen hue and my current one still has it. Have to use a custom kernel to rid most of it.
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Analytical and thorough testing from Displaymate.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S7_ShootOut_1.htm
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In my thread regarding note4 amoled quality, i wrote to displaymate as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
imho, displaymate is a not very usable source, as they test the cherrypicked devices from samsung, they are NOT examining devices from the "open market"... there, 8 out of 10 devices at least have minor or major display errors, although most people wont see them because the lack of comparison!
Ohhhh please. If you try to bash on samsung than get your facts straight.
First of all, to your info Nexus 6P has also Super Amoled from Samsung(if you thought otherwise than you should read more). So there should be little to no difference at all.
S7 edge display is one generation newer since Nexus 6P has the same screen with note 4. Wich is a great screen also without a doubt.
But as the biggest producer and user of Amoled samsung does calibrate the screen in the best way. Better than google or anyone.
Per today S7 edge has the best screen used in a phone so far. Lets see what others will use in the future.
Samsung uses autobrightnes to give all the power in the screen thats because its unessecary to have it on full all the time and that would affect the battery.
So when needed there is no phone in the market with brighter screen.
Sorry for my bad english.
PS. I have both Nexus 6P and S7 Edge 935F. What you are saying is not true.
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In my thread regarding note4 amoled quality, i wrote to displaymate as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
imho, displaymate is a not very usable source, as they test the cherrypicked devices from samsung, they are NOT examining devices from the "open market"... there, 8 out of 10 devices at least have minor or major display errors, although most people wont see them because the lack of comparison!
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Your link doesn't work
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CuBz90 said:
I don't know why Nexus owners are so hung up on trying to bash the S7/S7E. They so badly want their Nexus to be superior. Why? There will be better phones than the S7/S7E out soon and I won't give a damn because I'll be using the S7E. Stop getting so hung up and just enjoy the phone(s) you have.
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Well, imagine spending $500+ on a Huawei just 2 months ago...how would you feel ?
Cst79 said:
Well, imagine spending $500+ on a Huawei just 2 months ago...how would you feel ?
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I wouldn't
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Who cares really. I love my 6P because it's a Nexus, looks like a goddess and is a cure for a flashoholic. I will also get a S7, I'll love it but it's not a 6P ?
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CuBz90 said:
I don't know why Nexus owners are so hung up on trying to bash the S7/S7E. They so badly want their Nexus to be superior. Why? There will be better phones than the S7/S7E out soon and I won't give a damn because I'll be using the S7E. Stop getting so hung up and just enjoy the phone(s) you have.
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Lol. Nexus owner? I clearly says that i have a gs7 edge i purchase to keep, stated that the devices is amazing but did notice how whiter the screen look. SHOWED PROOF OF BOTH PHONE WHICH EVERYONE COULD SAY WHAT THEY WILL BUT WHERE IS THEIR PROOF SIDE BY SIDE PICS. Pointed out that icons on gs7 look better not grainy like nexus 6p. Noted that note 5 to me still have the best amoled screen around. I guess galaxy owner get offended so quickly, i have been owner of galaxy s3, S4, S5, S6 3DGE, NOTE 3, NOTE 4, NOTE5 and now galaxy s7 edge with a 6p i had after my note 5 broke and wasnt cover by warranty. Why would i bash it.
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Lol. Nexus owner? I clearly says that i have a gs7 edge i purchase to keep, stated that the devices is amazing but did notice how whiter the screen look. SHOWED PROOF OF BOTH PHONE WHICH EVERYONE COULD SAY WHAT THEY WILL BUT WHERE IS THEIR PROOF SIDE BY SIDE PICS. Pointed out that icons on gs7 look better not grainy like nexus 6p. Noted that note 5 to me still have the best amoled screen around. I guess galaxy owner get offended so quickly, i have been owner of galaxy s3, S4, S5, S6 3DGE, NOTE 3, NOTE 4, NOTE5 and now galaxy s7 edge with a 6p i had after my note 5 broke and wasnt cover by warranty. Why would i bash it.
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Fair enough. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.
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Cst79 said:
Well, imagine spending $500+ on a Huawei just 2 months ago...how would you feel ?
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I'm a Nexus owner but thinking about selling and getting an S7 Edge.
The S7 hardware, screen and camera are definitely better (although both are good)
The only thing holding me back is the decision to go from Stock Android to Touchwiz. Don't know if I can take 2 email apps, multiple music players, etc. I can't stand bloat or the ugly menus in Touchwiz.
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I'm a Nexus owner but thinking about selling and getting an S7 Edge.
The S7 hardware, screen and camera are definitely better (although both are good)
The only thing holding me back is the decision to go from Stock Android to Touchwiz. Don't know if I can take 2 email apps, multiple music players, etc. I can't stand bloat or the ugly menus in Touchwiz.
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I didn't like Touchwiz back when I had an S3, I just used a Nova and have never looked back. Also Nova let's you hide apps you don't want to see which helps if there's multiple apps for the same function.
I use mine is Basic display mode as I want the closest to real life accurate as possible.
i wish there was a way to control the max brightness even when not in direct sunlight
So when i use the Youtube app the screen is about an inch short on both sides of being full screen.
There is an option to expand the screen its called "crop to fit" but it literally crops the video so you cant see descriptions captions or things at the bottom or the top of the video....missing content like this
Anyone else notice this.
Any suggestions. This is kind of disappointing.
Whats the point of such of big screen if you cant go full screen mode without it cutting out some of the content???????
When i use the stock Samsung browser to go to Youtube in desktop mode. Same thing its not True full screen.
But if I switch the stock samsung browser to mobile view it gives you 3 options. One of the options lets you go true full screen and doesnt crop as much out. But the thing is you cant select or change the video quality/resolution when its in mobile view. That kind of sucks if you want to watch a 720p or 1080p hd vid
This seems kind of like a big deal. I cant be the only one bothered by this.
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So when i use the Youtube app the screen is about an inch short on both sides of being full screen.
There is an option to expand the screen its called "crop to fit" but it literally crops the video so you cant see descriptions captions or things at the bottom or the top of the video....missing content like this
Anyone else notice this.
Any suggestions. This is kind of disappointing.
Whats the point of such of big screen if you cant go full screen mode without it cutting out some of the content???????
When i use the stock Samsung browser to go to Youtube in desktop mode. Same thing its not True full screen.
But if I switch the stock samsung browser to mobile view it gives you 3 options. One of the options lets you go true full screen and doesnt crop as much out. But the thing is you cant select or change the video quality/resolution when its in mobile view. That kind of sucks if you want to watch a 720p or 1080p hd vid
This seems kind of like a big deal. I cant be the only one bothered by this.
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There's no good way to scale or crop it. That's what we get because Samsung decided to go with a weird screen aspect ratio instead of making this phone a little wider. I wish it was wide enough to keep the ratio correct.
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There's no good way to scale or crop it. That's what we get because Samsung decided to go with a weird screen aspect ratio instead of making this phone a little wider. I wish it was wide enough to keep the ratio correct.
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Thanks
Wow. If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8. People always get so hype over these new phones that they dont even question basic stuff anymore.
Dont get me wrong its a great phone but this could be a deal breaker.
But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF.
No point in bragging about the sceen size in all the reviews.
Seems like my old Notes actually had a bigger viewing area if you dont like stuff cropped out. What a bummer.
>But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF
What are you talking about??? If the youtube video is 16:9 you can still watch it on a 18.5:9 screen. Same idea as watching a 4:3 video on a 16:9 screen. You aren't missing anything just because there are black bars on the side. Do you want your phone to show video in the sides that never even hit the camera sensor that filmed whatever video you are watching? You want something literally impossible.
>If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8.
Guess what... the Note 8 will have the same problem. Every screen on planet earth has this problem. It's not even a problem, its just how reality works. If the note 8 is a 16:9 screen it wont completely fill up with 4:3 videos. on nooo!!! If you get a 2.4:1 home theater projector screen and try to watch a 16:9 video OMG all that money down the drain!!!! You can't fill your screen!!!
Come on. If you absolutely must watch 16:9 videos on your phone with no black bars then don't buy a phone that is clearly not 16:9.
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Wow. If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8. People always get so hype over these new phones that they dont even question basic stuff anymore.
Dont get me wrong its a great phone but this could be a deal breaker.
But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF.
No point in bragging about the sceen size in all the reviews.
Seems like my old Notes actually had a bigger viewing area if you dont like stuff cropped out. What a bummer.
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You might as well stop buying Samsung flagships then, Samsung will keep using the taller screen ratio in the future too. And it's literally impossible to fill the entire 18.5:9 screen with a 16:9 video without either cropping the video or stretching it. Video is information, and new information cannot be generated like you are asking (how are you going to return back in time, to have the camera capture more image from the sides to fill the screen with? The camera did not capture more from the sides, meaning it's not possible to know what was there, the information is missing, thus making it impossible to fill the screen without stretching or cropping)
It's a none issue. The picture quality is so exceptional I don't care enough to worry about black bars
Moreover, if watching a common 2.4:1 movie (i.e. 21.6:9) on the 2.05:1 S8/+ display (i.e. 18.5:9), one can enjoy an almost full screen image using only a small cropping, without the upper and lower black bars...:good:
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Moreover, if watching a common 2.4:1 movie (i.e. 21.6:9) on the 2.05:1 S8/+ display (i.e. 18.5:9), one can enjoy an almost full screen image using only a small cropping, without the upper and lower black bars...:good:
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The cropping is cutting out informative info at the bottom of the vids I like to watch.
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It's a none issue. The picture quality is so exceptional I don't care enough to worry about black bars
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it is but it was also great on all my old phones. HD youtube can only look so good on screens this size anyways. It does seem better on the 8+ though. I wanted a larger viewing area. Legit question...If size disnt matter why did you go with the 8+ instead of normal 8?
I wish i could get over the black bars like you.
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You might as well stop buying Samsung flagships then, Samsung will keep using the taller screen ratio in the future too. And it's literally impossible to fill the entire 18.5:9 screen with a 16:9 video without either cropping the video or stretching it. Video is information, and new information cannot be generated like you are asking (how are you going to return back in time, to have the camera capture more image from the sides to fill the screen with? The camera did not capture more from the sides, meaning it's not possible to know what was there, the information is missing, thus making it impossible to fill the screen without stretching or cropping)
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I dont mind the Stretch. I prefer the stretch. However stretch view is not an option with the Youtube app. Youtube app is the only way to change the resolution to HD in full screen mode. Thats the whole point to screens like this is to watch HD stuff.
Thanks for the technical info but that is a bit over my head. I still dont really understand that. Its not absurd to buy a $900 device and expect it to play youtube vids full screen in HD.
The cropping is an issue because it literally cuts out some of the info listed at the bottom on the screen that is important to the vids I watch.
Also kind of defeats the whole purpose of an edgeless display and how the phone was advertised.
You think the Note 8 will have the same issue????? You dont think they will make it a tad wider to compensate and make it different from the s8+?
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You think the Note 8 will have the same issue????? You dont think they will make it a tad wider to compensate and make it different from the s8+?
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Nope, if they make it wider with the same tiny bezels, it's going to end up looking short and odd. Samsung isn't going back to the 16:9 aspect ratio, it's going to look old-fashioned to people that are used to the taller screen, now that Samsung has branded it as futuristic and great (Infinity display). And it's not an "issue", because it's just a way that screens work, different ratio screens have things cropped out or stretched out if you want to fill the whole screen.
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>But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF
What are you talking about??? If the youtube video is 16:9 you can still watch it on a 18.5:9 screen. Same idea as watching a 4:3 video on a 16:9 screen. You aren't missing anything just because there are black bars on the side. Do you want your phone to show video in the sides that never even hit the camera sensor that filmed whatever video you are watching? You want something literally impossible.
>If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8.
Guess what... the Note 8 will have the same problem. Every screen on planet earth has this problem. It's not even a problem, its just how reality works. If the note 8 is a 16:9 screen it wont completely fill up with 4:3 videos. on nooo!!! If you get a 2.4:1 home theater projector screen and try to watch a 16:9 video OMG all that money down the drain!!!! You can't fill your screen!!!
Come on. If you absolutely must watch 16:9 videos on your phone with no black bars then don't buy a phone that is clearly not 16:9.
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Dont be a jerk... Calm down. Dont take it personally. Its a legit concern and question I have about enjoying my device. FOR MY NEEDS THAT I PAID MY MONEY FOR.
The bottom and top of the content of the vids I watch daily is cut off in crop to fit mode. Youtube app isnt offering stretch mode for some reason.
There is important info that i need to see for the vids i watch ussualy at the bottom or top of the screen.
It is not ridiculous to expect to watch HD vids full screen and not miss content. Are you kidding me??? You sound like a fan boy. Its a valid point.
I really like the phone other wise. But this very well could be a deal breaker for some. If Its not fof you great. You have no idea what I use my phone for or why I spent money on it.
Again you pay for a big HD screen to be able to use it fully.
If im having these issues swith just using youtube im sure all the other sites and online media are going to suffer from this.
I bought the phone for screen size and hd capabilities. Had no idea I would have to choose between the 2 on one device.
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Nope, if they make it wider with the same tiny bezels, it's going to end up looking short and odd. Samsung isn't going back to the 16:9 aspect ratio, it's going to look old-fashioned to people that are used to the taller screen, now that Samsung has branded it as futuristic and great (Infinity display). And it's not an "issue", because it's just a way that screens work, different ratio screens have things cropped out or stretched out if you want to fill the whole screen.
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Things come and go every device. I try not to get caught up in the branding or marketing.
Also I would guess the Note needs to be different size than the S8. Otherwise its just going to be a S8 with a pen and moved fingerprint scanner.
Guess we will see.
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Things come and go every device. I try not to get caught up in the branding or marketing.
Also I would guess the Note needs to be different size than the S8. Otherwise its just going to be a S8 with a pen and moved fingerprint scanner.
Guess we will see.
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Note 8 changes will be a 4K screen, fingerprint scanner embedded inside the screen, dual cameras, 6 gigs of RAM and of course an S-Pen. It's a half-year renovation, the general design will barely change, most likely a bit more square than the S8, but generally the same. The screen size will be the same or a tiny bit bigger than the S8+, this time changes are focusing more on specs than the screen size, that is already at the very edges of what is useful in the S8+. The Note 7 screen size increase over the S7 was minimal too. The Note 8 will also get a major software renovation like the Note 7 did, but thanks to XDA we will see that software in our devices most likely even before official release date of the phone, because the processor is the exact same
The annoying thing for me is when the next video plays I have to crop the screen again I don't know if there's a way to keep it full screen until you exit the YouTube app and when you go full screen straight away the ads go full screen but then the video seems to go black bars and you crop it again.
I never understood why people don't like the aspect ratio. The video would be the same size on another phone but there would just be bezels there instead. At least when I'm in other apps I get more real-estate instead of having just big black bars constantly there in the form of bezels
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Note 8 changes will be a 4K screen, fingerprint scanner embedded inside the screen, dual cameras, 6 gigs of RAM and of course an S-Pen. It's a half-year renovation, the general design will barely change, most likely a bit more square than the S8, but generally the same. The screen size will be the same or a tiny bit bigger than the S8+, this time changes are focusing more on specs than the screen size, that is already at the very edges of what is useful in the S8+. The Note 7 screen size increase over the S7 was minimal too. The Note 8 will also get a major software renovation like the Note 7 did, but thanks to XDA we will see that software in our devices most likely even before official release date of the phone, because the processor is the exact same
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Would of waited if I knew that. Wonder the price difference
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Would of waited if I knew that. Wonder the price difference
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The Note 8 be about the same price as the S8+ right now, just like last year the Note 7 was about the price of the S7 Edge. And as software is a big selling point of the Note line, I don't feel bad at all getting an S-line device, thanks to XDA
To the average customer, a software refresh may be a big reason to buy a new device, but thanks to XDA, we will get complete software ports of the Note 8 over to the S8 quickly. These ports will also have very few bugs, because the specs are so similar, good example is how a bugless Note 7 ported ROM came to the S7 before the Note 7 actually went on sale
And take in mind that the Note 8 release date will most probably be later in the yearly cycle than last year so that the S8 can get a good run, because the S8 this year came later than S-line phones usually do. I don't find it worth waiting +5 months for those upgrades, when the price will be the same
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The annoying thing for me is when the next video plays I have to crop the screen again I don't know if there's a way to keep it full screen until you exit the YouTube app and when you go full screen straight away the ads go full screen but then the video seems to go black bars and you crop it again.
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Yeah thats super annoying especially if you're eating watching vids.
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I never understood why people don't like the aspect ratio. The video would be the same size on another phone but there would just be bezels there instead. At least when I'm in other apps I get more real-estate instead of having just big black bars constantly there in the form of bezels
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I dont know if thats true. Especially if you're coming from a note. I wish I could get my old phone to power on to test this.
I do find the black bars or the white menu bar to be way more distracting than a bezel.
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Dont be a jerk... Calm down. Dont take it personally. Its a legit concern and question I have about enjoying my device. FOR MY NEEDS THAT I PAID MY MONEY FOR.
The bottom and top of the content of the vids I watch daily is cut off in crop to fit mode. Youtube app isnt offering stretch mode for some reason.
There is important info that i need to see for the vids i watch ussualy at the bottom or top of the screen.
It is not ridiculous to expect to watch HD vids full screen and not miss content. Are you kidding me??? You sound like a fan boy. Its a valid point.
I really like the phone other wise. But this very well could be a deal breaker for some. If Its not fof you great. You have no idea what I use my phone for or why I spent money on it.
Again you pay for a big HD screen to be able to use it fully.
If im having these issues swith just using youtube im sure all the other sites and online media are going to suffer from this.
I bought the phone for screen size and hd capabilities. Had no idea I would have to choose between the 2 on one device.
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So when you bought it you had no clue about the new aspect ratio?
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So when you bought it you had no clue about the new aspect ratio?
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None.
All I knew was the hype and that blue whale commercial.
Didnt know it was a thing to make sure the phone was manufactured with certain porportions.
Thought being able to use the screen in HD and full screen would be a given.
I have no problem with stretching the screen from the aspect ratio. However that doesnt seem to be an option on most HD content.
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None.
All I knew was the hype and that blue whale commercial.
Didnt know it was a thing to make sure the phone was manufactured with certain porportions.
Thought being able to use the screen in HD and full screen would be a given.
I have no problem with stretching the screen from the aspect ratio. However that doesnt seem to be an option on most HD content.
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Not trying to be a **** but dude they advertised the hell out of the new aspect ratio to the point it got annoying.i dont know how you wouldn't have known lol
Sounds like in the future you may want to research your purchases a little more carefully.
I do agree Id much rather have the traditional 16:9 ratio in a 6.2" size...would be much better for sure
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I posted in the note forums i thought i would see what replies i get here as well
I loved my note 7 (nice rounded edges samsung oem screen protector etc) This phone just feels ...well HUGE... in pocket as well as in hand... I am realizing im not using the spen at all really (other than to send sparkly messages to my wife) since i got my ipad pro and pencil for sketching. For some reason this thing feels immense in my front pocket and heavy.I read at night and holding this phone can be cumbersome at best.. I love the screen and playing games on it but for pretty much everything else its not what i expected. I went to best buy and held both phones at the same time and the s8+ feels so much better in hand with only a .1 in screen difference (i cannot even notice) Am i crazy for exchanging it for a S8+?
ps i like the dual camera live focus thing but for me personally its not that important. 99% of my phone pics are point and shoot and share to a friend or social media..
I had a s7 edge up until 2 weeks ago when i picked up the note 8 and it just feel gigantic.. I wanted a bigger screen because i wear reading glasses but the ergos are not nearly as nice as my old s7edge or the newer s8 and s8 plus.
Do you want to trade? Is your phone unlocked and what carrier are you on? My phone is unlocked by T-Mobile due to military status and it is in new condition! Message me I'm serious.
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I am realizing im not using the spen at all really
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there's your answer. and you'll get a bit better battery life with the S8+
I'm sure a lot of people will trade their s8+ for your note 8. Just ask them to add some cash for the difference.
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S8+ is the same size, with no SPen and a single camera, and 2 gigs less RAM. The battery is marginally bigger, though. If you want a smaller device with the same basic experience, go with a regular S8.
Just a quick follow up i got my s8 plus and I'm in love!!!! It's so much lighter and more comfortable in hand and pocket.. I'm so glad i switched ?
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S8+ is the same size, with no SPen and a single camera, and 2 gigs less RAM. The battery is marginally bigger, though. If you want a smaller device with the same basic experience, go with a regular S8.
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Not mine ... I have 6gb 128 version. .
I have always since s3 had the notes Note 3 etc... Can't see myself swapping from s8+ this time. Less battery life on the note? Nah - pass.
I agree with your assessment of the two. I did the same Best Buy comparison last week and wound up buying the S8+. However, I will likely trade it in for dual cameras on the S9+. For now, I just wanted the step up from Note 4 and it fits the bill. S9+ will likely be it for a while unless Note reclaims their ergonomics for all. I'm a small person and not going to start carrying a bag around just to tote a phone. Meanwhile S8 was too small and odd feeling compared to Note 4. S8+ is just right.
Personally I hate the aspect ratios they have started using. 16:9 is the ideal ratio and happens to match widescreen video formats exactly. all this 18.5:9 crap just means you have a long skinny screen with less actual space on it. It's amazing how the screen on my old S5 just seems bigger simply because it doesnt have this silly long and skinny aspect ratio. In reality these screens are not actually 6.2" due to this, they are closer to an equivalent 5.5 and really ARE about 5.5 if you want to watch any 16:9 video without cropping it. Using the same logic they have started using for these screen sizes, by continuing to measure diagnonals despite not having a 16:9 ratio, you could make a screen 10" long and 1" wide and call it a 10.5" screen.....but it isn't is it.
That's my only problem with my S8+ (other than the fingerprint scanner placement) and it irritates me constantly. If it was 16:9 (which would also allow a much bigger battery) then it would be perfect. But I haven't exactly seen people commenting on it so i guess nobody else cares.
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Personally I hate the aspect ratios they have started using. 16:9 is the ideal ratio and happens to match widescreen video formats exactly. all this 18.5:9 crap just means you have a long skinny screen with less actual space on it. It's amazing how the screen on my old S5 just seems bigger simply because it doesnt have this silly long and skinny aspect ratio. In reality these screens are not actually 6.2" due to this, they are closer to an equivalent 5.5 and really ARE about 5.5 if you want to watch any 16:9 video without cropping it. Using the same logic they have started using for these screen sizes, by continuing to measure diagnonals despite not having a 16:9 ratio, you could make a screen 10" long and 1" wide and call it a 10.5" screen.....but it isn't is it.
That's my only problem with my S8+ (other than the fingerprint scanner placement) and it irritates me constantly. If it was 16:9 (which would also allow a much bigger battery) then it would be perfect. But I haven't exactly seen people commenting on it so i guess nobody else cares.
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no I agree with you. once i find a 6" phone with a less stretched aspect ratio AND stereo speakers.. i'd gladly trade my S8+. I'm not a fan of playing games/watching videos with a narrower width but longer horizontals. i wish Google would make the Nexus 6 again with modern hardware.
I actually like the new aspect ratio. It simply sees more stuff then 16:9
Had an s7e before s8+ and to me it's like switching from 4:3 monitor to 16:9 wide FHD monitor.
Only thing I don't like is iris not being as fast on daylight unlocking the phone and fingerprint feels useless here.
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I ended up going back to the note 8 !! Even with a case on the s8 plus i was getting false registers on the sides and corners with my big meaty hands... Is will be here Monday. Also in gaming grip or watching movies there note is far superior.. i feel dumb returning it but hey, it was a learning experience and at least i ended up with the better phone in the end
All those guys who say the Note 8 is heaps bigger than the S8+, I own both. a side by side comparison is about 5mm taller and almost exactly same width...
Battery life is pretty mch comparable with both .
I have the Exynos version of both so that may make a difference.
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All those guys who say the Note 8 is heaps bigger than the S8+, I own both. a side by side comparison is about 5mm taller and almost exactly same width...
Battery life is pretty mch comparable with both .
I have the Exynos version of both so that may make a difference.
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I certainly wouldn't call it "heaps" bigger. The angles are simply awkward for some hands and some situations. As for the weight, a hundred pound person may find it heavier versus a 150 to 200 pound person. Note 4 and Note 5 felt very comfortable. 8 is different. Not bad, just different. Without a doubt, the Note is the better phone. Thank goodness for choice.
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The exact quote is "The bokeh simulation effect is capable of producing quite realistic results."
Man, that photo is the worst bokeh I have seen and nowhere worthy of top score. Even a cheap Moto X4 can better it.
Now, I believe that these guys are paid hacks
Looks fine to me.
Why the hate. I know this is a pixel forum
Google pixel is always king to Android geeks but still.
Why the bashing.
Before you call me a Sammy boy. I have both xl3 and a note 9 lol
Yeah I own the Pixel 3 but think this photo looks cool.
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Looks fine to me.
Why the hate. I know this is a pixel forum
Google pixel is always king to Android geeks but still.
Why the bashing.
Before you call me a Sammy boy. I have both xl3 and a note 9 lol
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Follow the leaves on his left and right from the front to back. A good bokeh would have blurred more as you go from front to back.
The subject is also super exposed. Its overall a bad outdoor photo!
I don't have anything against Samsung BTW. I used to own Samsung (S4 being the last one) before they closed the bootloader. I have played my friends' recent Samsung phones and they are nice devices and if they allowed unlocked bootloader, I would probably own one too.. But I am not afraid to speak when I see something being promoted as good when its not. I have done that to Pixel 3 XL and to HTC phones over the years, even though I am a fan of those phones.
I have no doubt that the S10 will be a great phone with an excellent camera but the OP is correct in saying that photo is horrible. It says more about the person that wrote that review than the phone though.
The S10 is probably running pre-release firmware. On launch there will be a software fix available, it always goes like that with Samsung.
For me it's not cool at all. Bad photo in my opinion
I fully agree. That photo is terrible
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you guys kidding right? I hope so since you guys need better eyes.
that photo is way over exposed and not looks very sharp and I hope they fix samsung s10 expose.
pixel 3 camera still beats, sorry.
DXO is just a private company, don`t know who named them the photografy benchmarking institute. Besides that nobody exactly knows how their scores are being produced.
I agree. The photo is over exposed, and the bokeh is weak.
It looks ok. The edge detection is quite nice and looks decent here, not the best but again this is a review unit not retail with final software. I've seen in some cases it struggles but overall it's damn realistic which we all strive for in smart phone photography. The pixel has a history of over contrast but bokeh looks amazing. I've also seen night shots where it really proves damn nice quality and details are near perfect (see Danny Winget review vs Pixel 3 XL) I'm very much looking forward to the S10+ and it's ability to alter after the shot with additional effects, etc.