Interesting results here. Everybody has been saying the G2 is quicker and better then Note 3 and I must say I am quite shocked with these findings so far
http://thedroidguy.com/2013/09/sams...-sony-xperia-z1-vs-lg-g2-benchmark-comparison
i dont care. n3 is the better phone.
oh i dont disagree i agree 100% that is why i have a note 3 coming and im not stopping at verizon today to see the overrated g2!
hah G2 is like a on screen buttoned Galaxy S4 LG is copying Samsung on many things these days -_-
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hah G2 is like a on screen buttoned Galaxy S4 LG is copying Samsung on many things these days -_-
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I know right! everything almost looks the same. Its like there are a dev and just made a rooted s4 with some new ui looks!
Here's a potential difference. There are two versions of S-800; MSM8974 and MSM8974AB. Here's AnandTech's take...
Xiaomi makes the first (to my knowledge) public disclosure of MSM8974AB, which is analogous to the changes we saw between APQ8064 and APQ8064AB. From 8974 to 8974AB, Adreno 330 GPU clocks climb from 450 MHz to 550 MHz, LPDDR3 memory interface maximum data rates go from 800 MHz to 933 MHz, and the ISP clock domain (I think Xiaomi might mean the Hexagon DSP here) goes from 320 MHz to 465 MHz. 8974 comes in both a bin with the 4 Krait 400 CPUs clocked at 2.2 GHz (really 2.15 GHz) and 2.3 GHz (2.26 GHz) with slightly different pricing, while 8974AB comes with a Krait 400 clock available only at 2.3 GHz. Process is still TSMC 28nm HPM, but I suspect that the AB variant might have the high k dielectric and/or transistor mix tuned slightly differently based on a few rumblings I've heard recently.The S-600 in the SGS4 was "AB" so the the S-800 in the N3 might be also. We'll find out when more detailed reviews start to come out.
From AnandTech discussing the SGS4's S-600 chip...
That brings us to the Galaxy S 4. It's immediately apparent that something is different here because Samsung is shipping the Snapdragon 600 at a higher frequency than any other OEM. The Krait 300 cores in SGS4 can run at up to 1.9GHz vs. 1.7GHz for everyone else. Curiously enough, 1.9GHz is the max frequency that Qualcomm mentioned when it first announced Snapdragon 600.
Samsung is obviously a very large customer, so at first glance we assumed it could simply demand a better bin of Snapdragon 600 than its lower volume competitors. Looking a bit deeper however, we see that the Galaxy S 4 uses something different entirely.
Digging through the Galaxy S 4 kernel source we see references to an APQ8064AB part. As a recap, APQ8064 was the first quad-core Krait 200 SoC with no integrated modem, more commonly referred to as Snapdragon S4 Pro. APQ8064T was supposed to be its higher clocked/Krait 300 based successor that ended up with the marketing name Snapdragon 600. APQ8064AB however is, at this point, unique to the Galaxy S 4 but still carries the Snapdragon 600 marketing name.
If we had to guess, we might be looking at an actual respin of the APQ8064 silicon in APQ8064AB. Assuming Qualcomm isn't playing any funny games here, APQ8064AB may simply be a respin capable of hitting higher frequencies. We'll have to keep a close eye on this going forward, but it's clear to me that the Galaxy S 4 is shipping with something different than everyone else who has a Snapdragon 600 at this point.
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Here's a potential difference. There are two versions of S-800; MSM8974 and MSM8974AB. Here's AnandTech's take...
Xiaomi makes the first (to my knowledge) public disclosure of MSM8974AB, which is analogous to the changes we saw between APQ8064 and APQ8064AB. From 8974 to 8974AB, Adreno 330 GPU clocks climb from 450 MHz to 550 MHz, LPDDR3 memory interface maximum data rates go from 800 MHz to 933 MHz, and the ISP clock domain (I think Xiaomi might mean the Hexagon DSP here) goes from 320 MHz to 465 MHz. 8974 comes in both a bin with the 4 Krait 400 CPUs clocked at 2.2 GHz (really 2.15 GHz) and 2.3 GHz (2.26 GHz) with slightly different pricing, while 8974AB comes with a Krait 400 clock available only at 2.3 GHz. Process is still TSMC 28nm HPM, but I suspect that the AB variant might have the high k dielectric and/or transistor mix tuned slightly differently based on a few rumblings I've heard recently.The S-600 in the SGS4 was "AB" so the the S-800 in the N3 might be also. We'll find out when more detailed reviews start to come out.
From AnandTech discussing the SGS4's S-600 chip...
That brings us to the Galaxy S 4. It's immediately apparent that something is different here because Samsung is shipping the Snapdragon 600 at a higher frequency than any other OEM. The Krait 300 cores in SGS4 can run at up to 1.9GHz vs. 1.7GHz for everyone else. Curiously enough, 1.9GHz is the max frequency that Qualcomm mentioned when it first announced Snapdragon 600.
Samsung is obviously a very large customer, so at first glance we assumed it could simply demand a better bin of Snapdragon 600 than its lower volume competitors. Looking a bit deeper however, we see that the Galaxy S 4 uses something different entirely.
Digging through the Galaxy S 4 kernel source we see references to an APQ8064AB part. As a recap, APQ8064 was the first quad-core Krait 200 SoC with no integrated modem, more commonly referred to as Snapdragon S4 Pro. APQ8064T was supposed to be its higher clocked/Krait 300 based successor that ended up with the marketing name Snapdragon 600. APQ8064AB however is, at this point, unique to the Galaxy S 4 but still carries the Snapdragon 600 marketing name.
If we had to guess, we might be looking at an actual respin of the APQ8064 silicon in APQ8064AB. Assuming Qualcomm isn't playing any funny games here, APQ8064AB may simply be a respin capable of hitting higher frequencies. We'll have to keep a close eye on this going forward, but it's clear to me that the Galaxy S 4 is shipping with something different than everyone else who has a Snapdragon 600 at this point.
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so could be why we are seeing higher scores in the test note 3?
Why are people knocking the G2? It's the second fastest device on the market. It has an amazing screen area ratio and a very nice battery. It's camera is also one of the best. I would never consider it because I can never go back below 5.5 inches and I can't stand on screen buttons. But that phone should make a lot of people very happy.
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Why are people knocking the G2? It's the second fastest device on the market. It has an amazing screen area ratio and a very nice battery. It's camera is also one of the best. I would never consider it because I can never go back below 5.5 inches and I can't stand on screen buttons. But that phone should make a lot of people very happy.
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im not saying its not a nice phone but nothing that "wows" me. It looks worse then Touch Wiz not a huge fan of but its ok (sense is my fav), the phone doesnt have sdcard and removable battery also a no no (why i didnt buy htc one), Note 3 has better specs with an spen and loads of new features. G2 looks like a rooted S4 running a launcher and i wasnt impressed by S4. So with that being said this is just a tad faster S4 with same look almost. Now Note 3 you may say is same look as S4 while it is, it at least carries an sdcard and removable battery and the dev support should be behind sammy. Also i do remember LG making an Intuition, revolution, lucid? whatever happened to those? oh thats right they fell through the cracks. LG just cant compete with samsung, htc, or even motorola right now
oneandroidnut said:
Interesting results here. Everybody has been saying the G2 is quicker and better then Note 3 and I must say I am quite shocked with these findings so far
http://thedroidguy.com/2013/09/sams...-sony-xperia-z1-vs-lg-g2-benchmark-comparison
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Everybody? Who's saying that?
BTW, that article is useless. They are combining results from various places - PhoneArena/GSMArena etc.,
They took GN3 numbers from here: http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-first-benchmarks-scores-of-samsung-galaxy-note-3-are-in/
They also added some from PhoneArena: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBwq0iAoVzQ
One major thing everyone forgets is that running benchmark from display models in launch events is plain wrong.
A] Most phones in such events (IFA, CES, MWC) are always charging. You should never benchmark when the phones is charging.
B] Have you ever seen any 'reviewer' in those shows to reboot the phone before running benchmarks? These display phones are abused by tech-journos. Tons of things would be running in the background. Yes, nobody bothers to clear the memory by rebooting it once. What's the point of such benchmark? Not to talk about thermal envelope after using these phones continuously.
C] G2 running release firmware, rest 2 phones running pre-release version.
(IMO) AnTuTu shouldn't be considered as a good benchmark. A benchmark tool must provide consistent repeatable result. If you run AnTuTu 5 times, I guarantee you that you will get variable result most times. No wonder AT doesn't like using AnTuTu.
Benchmarks never killed a phone :angel::angel:
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Everybody? Who's saying that?
BTW, that article is useless. They are combining results from various places - PhoneArena/GSMArena etc.,
They took GN3 numbers from here: http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-first-benchmarks-scores-of-samsung-galaxy-note-3-are-in/
They also added some from PhoneArena: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBwq0iAoVzQ
One major thing everyone forgets is that running benchmark from display models in launch events is plain wrong.
A] Most phones in such events (IFA, CES, MWC) are always charging. You should never benchmark when the phones is charging.
B] Have you ever seen any 'reviewer' in those shows to reboot the phone before running benchmarks? These display phones are abused by tech-journos. Tons of things would be running in the background. Yes, nobody bothers to clear the memory by rebooting it once. What's the point of such benchmark? Not to talk about thermal envelope after using these phones continuously.
C] G2 running release firmware, rest 2 phones running pre-release version.
(IMO) AnTuTu shouldn't be considered as a good benchmark. A benchmark tool must provide consistent repeatable result. If you run AnTuTu 5 times, I guarantee you that you will get variable result most times. No wonder AT doesn't like using AnTuTu.
Benchmarks never killed a phone :angel::angel:
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I hate benchmarks at events and real life situations is where it's at. We just need to wait till some more note 3 make it into the wild
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Everybody has been saying the G2 is quicker and better then Note 3
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Why would anyone say that? No one even has the Note 3, so we have to default to expectations. Why would anyone expect the the similar but faster clocked phone to be slower?
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Why would anyone say that?
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Show "anyone" this. All the tests were conducted by the same source; GSMArena.
Benchmark PI
AnTuTu
Linpack
Egypt (Offscreen)
T-Rex (Offscreen)
Sunspider
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Show "anyone" this. All the tests were conducted by the same source; GSMArena.
Benchmark PI
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Linpack
Egypt (Offscreen)
T-Rex (Offscreen)
Sunspider
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no g2 on that list though
oneandroidnut said:
no g2 on that list though
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Enjoy -- http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g2-review-982p5.php
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no g2 on that list though
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Oops, I thought "anyone" was saying the N2 was faster than the N3. My bad.
Here's the G2 numbers, again all from a single source; GSMArena.
Benchmark PI
Linpack
AnTuTu
Egypt (Offscreen)
T-Rex (Offscreen)
Sunspider
In case anyone's bummed about the lower AnTuTu score here's a score taken from a production unit that was reviewed by a Russian site. GSMArena conducted their tests on demo units at the Berlin launch event. Based on these scores I'd bet anyone here the N3 is using a "AB" chip where the XZ Ultra and LG G2 aren't. So, at least for the time being, the N3's the fastest Android device on the planet.
But not to be a buzz kill, the SGS4 got fantastic benchmarks but had some lag in early s/w releases due to the ton-'O-crap Samsung had loaded on it. It improved over time and the N3 has more RAM so I'm hoping benchmarks translate in to "feel."
http://translate.googleusercontent....v.html&usg=ALkJrhha6VTm0y89eM70OxVC5rPRLSw6nw
BarryH_GEG said:
Oops, I thought "anyone" was saying the N2 was faster than the N3. My bad.
Here's the G2 numbers, again all from a single source; GSMArena.
Benchmark PI
Linpack
AnTuTu
Egypt (Offscreen)
T-Rex (Offscreen)
Sunspider
In case anyone's bummed about the lower AnTuTu score here's a score taken from a production unit that was reviewed by a Russian site. GSMArena conducted their tests on demo units at the Berlin launch event. Based on these scores I'd bet anyone here the N3 is using a "AB" chip where the XZ Ultra and LG G2 aren't. So, at least for the time being, the N3's the fastest Android device on the planet.
But not to be a buzz kill, the SGS4 got fantastic benchmarks but had some lag in early s/w releases due to the ton-'O-crap Samsung had loaded on it. It improved over time and the N3 has more RAM so I'm hoping benchmarks translate in to "feel."
http://translate.googleusercontent....v.html&usg=ALkJrhha6VTm0y89eM70OxVC5rPRLSw6nw
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thanks man! and i cant wait to get my hands on one! and dont know who would keep a n2 over the n3 lol
All I know is that my S4 always benches higher than my HTC One. S4 using the "higher" binned S600.
In real world use, the HTC One felt twice as fast as the S4. Even rooted and running a custom debloated rom and kernel overclocked to 2.1GHz, the S4 still was laggy and much MUCH slower than a stock HTC One. The S4 would lag and stutter all over the place despite showing the superior numbers so I now take benchmarks with a grain of salt.
I'm really hoping Samsung gets it together and instead of just showing higher benchmark numbers, actually perform in real world use like the numbers indicate.
I'm using an LG G2 right now while waiting for my GNote3, so far I am IN LOVE with the G2. It's hands down the fastest device I've ever used, Nothing slows this thing down and I have yet to encounter a hint of lag or micro stuttering. Battery life matches or exceeds my Note 2 which I thought was incredible, I'm not too worried about the non-removable battery anymore. The screen is by far the best display I have seen, and the camera is amazingly good with OIS. In my opinion the S4 is not even in the same league as the G2, hardware or software wise. I really loved my Note 2 and have my fingers crossed the Note 3 doesn't have the incredibly frustrating laggy experience that plagued both my S4's. I would really love to keep the Note 3 as my main device because I actually use the S-pen a lot.
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I'm using an LG G2 right now while waiting for my GNote3, so far I am IN LOVE with the G2. It's hands down the fastest device I've ever used, Nothing slows this thing down and I have yet to encounter a hint of lag or micro stuttering. Battery life matches or exceeds my Note 2 which I thought was incredible, I'm not too worried about the non-removable battery anymore. The screen is by far the best display I have seen, and the camera is amazingly good with OIS. In my opinion the S4 is not even in the same league as the G2, hardware or software wise. I really loved my Note 2 and have my fingers crossed the Note 3 doesn't have the incredibly frustrating laggy experience that plagued both my S4's. I would really love to keep the Note 3 as my main device because I actually use the S-pen a lot.
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The G2 could be considered a "next gen" phone because of S-800 and the additional features LG's provided. The One and SGS4 with S-600 are previous generation phones. Sadly for SGS_ owners, their device is released before the N_ is and Samsung learns from issues with the SGS_ what not to do in the N_. The SGS3 Exynos with 1GB of RAM vs 2GB in the N2 is a good example.
I share your fears though. The launch s/w on the SGS4 was pretty bad. But I'm hoping that 3GB of RAM, S-800 "AB," and "lessons learned" will make the N3 as big an improvement over the SGS4 as the N2 was over the SGS3. I had no issues with the stock unrooted performance of the N2.
As for "fastest" that's subjective. I don't personally get off on millisecond faster screen transitions as much as I do on 30% faster browser performance which Sunspider indicates the N3 achieves over the G2. Where Samsung phones are "fast" for me is in how, through their features, they allow me to get stuff done faster and in ways I can't with other manufacturer’s devices.
I also don't consider the G2 in anyway a competitor to the N3. One's clearly a "phone" and the other's clearly a "phablet" with S Pen/S Note making the difference even greater. And the G2's lack of expandable storage is a step back not forward. That and the non-removable battery take it off my shopping list even if I were considering a "phone."
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I share your fears though. The launch s/w on the SGS4 was pretty bad. But I'm hoping that 3GB of RAM, S-800 "AB," and "lessons learned" will make the N3 as big an improvement over the SGS4 as the N2 was over the SGS3. I had no issues with the stock unrooted performance of the N2."
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For the "AB" thing, I think, then, Note 3 is supposed to have Adreno 330 clocked at 550 MHz. Have you find any info regarding that?
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I also don't consider the G2 in anyway a competitor to the N3. One's clearly a "phone" and the other's clearly a "phablet" with S Pen/S Note making the difference even greater. And the G2's lack of expandable storage is a step back not forward. That and the non-removable battery take it off my shopping list even if I were considering a "phone."
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Apart from your buying preference, if it were for the image stabilization how'd you see Note 3 over G2 in terms of "smart stabilization" vs OIS?
I bought my Xperia z5 to replace a Note edge that I tried getting fixed after water damage. After getting the z5, I got the Edge fixed a second time and edge works as good as new. Ran AnTuTu....... Scores of the z5 are not as great a difference vs. The note edge. I'm running the z5 on stock cause there is no community roms or root yet. The note edge is running Tekexodus 4.2 extreme dev edition with the permissive low lying fruit kernel. Besides the overheating issue of the 810, which isn't an issue in the z5, is performance increase supposed to be this little or is it the power of custom roms and kernels?
I ran both 64 then 32 bits tests for fun. I am sure we'll get higher scores after a few updates furthermore when root is enabled.
Oh boy, another one of these "disappointed with benchmark" topics.. I for one couldn't care less about benchmark results.
I do run benchmarks just to see what they say. Mine came out quite a bit higher though. How reliable are benchmarks considering the difference?
I get between 44000 to 59000 depending on how "hot" the device is.
I'm the OP. I run an emulator and it is noticibly less playable on the z5 vs the edge. Thats why I ran the benchmark. Ran the benchmarking again today and got 61000. When I overclock the edge 60000 is attainable.
Hey guys, can anyone run some basic benchmarks like geekbench and antutut and post them here? Would like to see what the phone score with the carrier bloatware and stuff. If you do it's much appreciated but could you post your cpu too 820 or 8890? Thanks guys
You can ask for it here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/help/exynos-snapdragon-t3322784
There's already some scores available in there.
selbyftw said:
Hey guys, can anyone run some basic benchmarks like geekbench and antutut and post them here? Would like to see what the phone score with the carrier bloatware and stuff. If you do it's much appreciated but could you post your cpu too 820 or 8890? Thanks guys
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I am at work on my work PC so I can't upload a screen shot but Antutu Benchmark score 100% stock - 122,019 I usually have been getting around 92,000 on my Nexus 6p - rooted and tweaked with ac custom kernel.
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I am at work on my work PC so I can't upload a screen shot but Antutu Benchmark score 100% stock - 122,019 I usually have been getting around 92,000 on my Nexus 6p - rooted and tweaked with ac custom kernel.
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Most results so far : Snapdragon 820 = Antutu 120 -122000
Exynos = Antutu 127 - 129000
On Geekbench Snapdragon slightly better on single core,Exynos slightly better on multi core. So only marginal differences in benchmark results.
In daily use both are blazing fast ...
Best yet for me... it is no exynos, but I will take it
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Best yet for me... it is no exynos, but I will take it
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My note 5 has exynos and I haven't been able to get more than 92,000 or so - honestly the benchmarks don't mean much - maybe they make us feel good a little - but in the end, the real test is how it performs in real life and honestly all of these Flagship phones are pretty amazing. I am really impressed with the S7 - and other than a little bloat, I don't find much to complain about with the new Touchwiz/Marshmallo in the S7 Edge. AND I love the expanded features for the Edge itself...really nice phone.
Only the second day on this phone. I like it!
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Just a casual run on the snapdragon version. Didn't cool it or anything
Wow those are some great runs guys, the geekbench is a little lower than expected. On certain s6 roms I've gotten about 5100 on multicore, but for stock those seem pretty good.
Is the general consensus that both cpu's are as good as each other with both slightly out performing one in certain areas?
Can someone run gfxbench battery test on snapdragon and upload performance graphs here. Interesting to see gpu performance degradation.
Can someone please run a workbench from PCmark?
That is the most usefull benchmark at the moment
thanks in advance
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Wow those are some great runs guys, the geekbench is a little lower than expected. On certain s6 roms I've gotten about 5100 on multicore, but for stock those seem pretty good.
Is the general consensus that both cpu's are as good as each other with both slightly out performing one in certain areas?
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Just keep in mind the s6 has 8 cores to throw at it. Thats why its multicore score holds up well. Once we consider the single core score and that the 820 only has 4 cores its rather impressive.
I ran pcmark and got about 6k last night. Just keep in mind that pcmark is much more representative of the governor's ability to react to loads etc, than a representation of raw power. If you ran it on performance governor for instance, the score would be much higher.
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Can someone run gfxbench battery test on snapdragon and upload performance graphs here. Interesting to see gpu performance degradation.
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Hopefully these show you what you want
Xileforce said:
Hopefully these show you what you want
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wow, it looks like exynos 8890 have better sustained performance, kinda surprasing
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=707315&view=findpost&p=47363269
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wow, it looks like exynos 8890 have better sustained performance, kinda surprasing
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=707315&view=findpost&p=47363269
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I have no clue what that site says....
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wow, it looks like exynos 8890 have better sustained performance, kinda surprasing
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=707315&view=findpost&p=47363269
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Surprising? The ghost of the 810 still haunts the 820 a bit.
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I have no clue what that site says....
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Here's the exynos, notice that it stays above 2.5ghz till around the 21 minute mark, while the sd820 starts throttling after 6 minutes.
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Surprising? The ghost of the 810 still haunts the 820 a bit.
Here's the exynos, notice that it stays above 2.5ghz till around the 21 minute mark, while the sd820 starts throttling after 6 minutes.
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I just wish I understood the metric. It's not GHz because the GPUs only run around 650mhz. From what i can tell the adreno is much higher peak then suddenly drops for a second and jumps back up. Which seems weird if it's throttling. Normally it would go low and stay low, like the 8890 does in the graph. I'll have to compare to my s6 later. Test takes forever.....
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I just wish I understood the metric. It's not GHz because the GPUs only run around 650mhz. From what i can tell the adreno is much higher peak then suddenly drops for a second and jumps back up. Which seems weird if it's throttling. Normally it would go low and stay low, like the 8890 does in the graph. I'll have to compare to my s6 later. Test takes forever.....
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Its not GHz, it's number of frames in one iteration of test. I suspect thermal driver in snapdragon variant is maybe broken, because It's weird what performance halfed every 2 minutes. In real games it would be noticeable.
Can't say I'm dissapionted with my 820 s7e. Great real world performance and benchmarks very well.
I'm the uk so I'll be getting the 8890, from what I can see from you guys both chips are good but I think the sd820 may have some thermal isssues again. Both score very well in real world performance. If your sd820 gets really hot at least you can dip it in some iced water now