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I apologize for asking this question since there are several variants of it all over this forum. I just haven't quite found the answers I'm looking for.*
When you read this and respond, please keep in mind that I am a major noobie. Pretend you're talking to a child. **
My reason for wanting to root is to take advantage of certain apps like BoostVolume, AdAway and TitaniumBackup (can't remember the others I wanted...).
At this time, I don't want to install a custom ROM. I'm just not ready to take that chance.*
So...
Can I get some of the benefits of rooting without installing a custom recovery?*
* * *If so, what will I gain and lose by doing this?*
* * *Will I still get OTA updates? *Will an OTA update remove root access?
For some reason, I'm really stuck on continuing to get OTA updates...I guess I don't want the responsibility.
There are good threads for "major noobies" to read.
Start with the "read before you root" thread at the top of this q&a forum. Also, search general for "ota help-desk". There is a rooting thread stuck at the top of general too.
Please read those then let is know if you have any questions
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Yes it's worth it. Do it. Boff
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I have to root every android machine I ever had.
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You can't do anything that useful without root.
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And ota's to me are a waste. I just wait for flashable files.
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I need help finding correct root program for my Zeki tbdg1073b. Anyone please help.
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Just unlock it all wile your hooked up to ADB and you won't have to worry about it .so easy after your Computer/PC is set up with ADB,FASBOOT,SDK.
Remember Google is your best friend
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rootSU said:
There are good threads for "major noobies" to read.
Start with the "read before you root" thread at the top of this q&a forum. Also, search general for "ota help-desk". There is a rooting thread stuck at the top of general too.
Please read those then let is know if you have any questions
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Thanks so much! *I've been searching and reading all week, and I either found conflicting answers or unclear answers...frustrating.
I had read "Before you root" previously, but hadn't yet found the Beginner thread (top of General), which has been the most helpful.
kj2112 said:
You can't do anything that useful without root.
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And ota's to me are a waste. I just wait for flashable files.
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Yeah, I'm not sure why I'm leery of flashing the updates. I guess I have to take it slowly and start with rooting (without custom recovery).
I don't think you can root without custom recovery. Don't worry about it. If anything goes wrong, which is very very unlikely, you can restore to stock in fastboot.
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If you are going to root, I really suggest getting s custom recovery too. Then you can make a nandroid backup and generally undo most problems that may happen by returning to that "snapshot" of the os.
But using fast boot to restore a factory image will fix these too, with stock recovery, but will erase data.
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pepdavies said:
I don't think you can root without custom recovery. Don't worry about it. If anything goes wrong, which is very very unlikely, you can restore to stock in fastboot.
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Here is a root without recovery by the SuperSU dev chainfire.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980683
I do recommend that you also install a recovery for the reasons posted by others in this thread.
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pepdavies said:
I don't think you can root without custom recovery. Don't worry about it. If anything goes wrong, which is very very unlikely, you can restore to stock in fastboot.
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You can root by booting into a custom recovery and then flashing supersu, fastboot boot recovery.img. You don't need to install one.
jd1639 said:
You can root by booting into a custom recovery and then flashing supersu, fastboot boot recovery.img. You don't need to install one.
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Yep. To expand
fastboot boot recovery.img
Vs
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
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rootSU said:
fastboot boot recovery recovery.img
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Its actually just "fastboot boot recovery.img"
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Chromium_ said:
Its actually just "fastboot boot recovery.img"
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Of course. Sorry, I forgot to remove partition destination in copy / paste.
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I've never managed to boot into recovery rather than flash it. It worked on my Nexus S.
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helioXverse said:
If you are going to root, I really suggest getting s custom recovery too. Then you can make a nandroid backup and generally undo most problems that may happen by returning to that "snapshot" of the os.
But using fast boot to restore a factory image will fix these too, with stock recovery, but will erase data.
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Sounds like nandroid backup is the way to go so I don't have to lose data. Thanks!
3DSammy said:
Here is a root without recovery by the SuperSU dev chainfire.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980683
I do recommend that you also install a recovery for the reasons posted by others in this thread.
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I had planned on using CF-auto-root, so I didn't need a custom recovery. I had based that on my fear of changing too much, but I also saw this, which I'm probably misunderstanding?
From Chainfire: (I am personally moving away from custom kernels and recoveries, for various reasons).
The more I think I understand, the more confused I get. It seems I'm getting lost in the terminology. To completely understand my options, I need to back up and go through the definitions and CLI commands again. A lot of what you're saying is going over my head. I think I've read too much and some information just isn't sticking.
angied said:
I had planned on using CF-auto-root, so I didn't need a custom recovery. I had based that on my fear of changing too much, but I also saw this, which I'm probably misunderstanding?
From Chainfire: (I am personally moving away from custom kernels and recoveries, for various reasons).
The more I think I understand, the more confused I get. It seems I'm getting lost in the terminology. To completely understand my options, I need to back up and go through the definitions and CLI commands again. A lot of what you're saying is going over my head. I think I've read too much and some information just isn't sticking.
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Don't worry. It's actually very easy. If you know about 2 fastboot commands you'll know just about anything you need to.
fastboot oem unlock, unlocks the bootloader
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img, puts a custom recovery on your phone
Start here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47025283
So I have twrp and slim Kat 4.4 on my tab 2 and I tried installing xposed framework and it says I don't have root... then I downloaded root checker and it said the same. No idea how I lost root but what's the best way to get it back without starting all over?
fergdizzle9090 said:
So I have twrp and slim Kat 4.4 on my tab 2 and I tried installing xposed framework and it says I don't have root... then I downloaded root checker and it said the same. No idea how I lost root but what's the best way to get it back without starting all over?
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you are on 4.4.2 rom right??
about root problem plz check the rom's thread and see if the dev has provided a solution for that or not
or try to root manually
aditya rathee said:
you are on 4.4.2 rom right??
about root problem plz check the rom's thread and see if the dev has provided a solution for that or not
or try to root manually
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That's what I was asking, what's the easiest way to root manually?
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So you've rooted that bad boy previously, right? If so, on Android Andi's Omni build you have to flash SuperSU after ROM and gapps. Maybe Slim is the same?
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Flash supersu.zip in twrp. By this you should get your root back
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fergdizzle9090 said:
That's what I was asking, what's the easiest way to root manually?
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brother just flash super su zip file from recovery and everything will be fine
If you want to make root permanent then open titanium backup hold super su and select " convert to system app ". By this you will not loose root again until you flash a new rom. Factory reset your phone and see still you have root
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I've heard about a android 4.3.3 update coming but I've rooted my Nexus 5 recently so I'm still kinda new to all this. I was wondering I would update to this when it comes out while keeping my Kernal and all that good stuff. Thanks!
read the stickies, the ota one will tell you all you need to know. As for me, I'm rooted, stock kernel, and custom recovery. I plan on flashing the next update in recovery.
also why do you want to downgrade to 4.3.3? when launched last november, this phone shipped with 4.4.
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also why do you want to downgrade to 4.3.3? when launched last november, this phone shipped with 4.4.
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Don't be a ****. He obviously meant 4.4.3
Same. I am rooted with framework. So I uninstall framework from the app. Put flash file on nexus 5. Boot into recovery and flash as normal? Do I need to clear data and will I lose root?
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There's no need to wipe data. And, yes, you'll loose root, so just need to re-root it again
So I just flash on top of it? And would it not be hard to re-root because it's a new android version?
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dec1153 said:
So I just flash on top of it? And would it not be hard to re-root because it's a new android version?
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Once you're updated, you just need to flash the supersu zip again to gain root access.. No, it shouldn't be hard to re-root!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/info-nexus-5-ota-help-desk-t2523217
Anything you want to know is there
If only people take time to read.
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Before the installation of the ota of android 5.0 I have to unistall xposed because it doesn't work with ART, right?
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You'll have to uninstall xposed for any ota anyway regardless of lollipop
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And flash stock recovery. And hopefully nothing else was altered in the system that could affect the Ota.
Personally, I'd backup my apps and just flash stock 4.4.4. As soon as I hear the Ota is out that is.
Tho really, I always wait a couple days and flash it with fastboot, clean. ?
Ok, so I have to unistall Xposed...
I rooted the device with Towelroot, so there isn't particular problems with the system? Or towelroot makes something different to system files unlike root?
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Giolte_ said:
Ok, so I have to unistall Xposed...
I rooted the device with Towelroot, so there isn't particular problems with the system? Or towelroot makes something different to system files unlike root?
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Its fine
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Ok, thanks
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Although why OTA anyway? If you're rooted with a custom recovery, you can just flash a pre-rooted L zip which will be available before the OTA Anyway
rootSU said:
Although why OTA anyway? If you're rooted with a custom recovery, you can just flash a pre-rooted L zip which will be available before the OTA Anyway
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Bu bu bu but....OTA
#stayparanoid
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Bu bu bu but....OTA
#stayparanoid
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Haha exactly.
I have not my PC since last month, and probably I will have it in the first half of December, however I have not a custom recovery, only root with towelroot because, like I said, I have no PC
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Giolte_ said:
I have not my PC since last month, and probably I will have it in the first half of December, however I have not a custom recovery, only root with towelroot because, like I said, I have no PC
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So use flashify to install twrp recovery and then you will have a way to flash. Doing any phone/tablet modding is highly dangerous if you don't have a computer available to you in case something messes up...
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I just grab the files from google and flash my phone clean with fastboot. I'll Add the recovery and root a few days later (if available). I like my phone the way it is and don't like to change just for OTA.
Ok, I'll probably use flashify, thanks everybody
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Am I correct in assuming that xposed does not work under lollipop because of art?
Can lollipop work using dalvik?
Correct. And no.
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That's a problem for me and might make me not accept the upgrade. I really like xposed and xgravity and my nexus 5 is fast enough.
I'm sure it won't be long til xposed will be updated.
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I'm sure it won't be long til xposed will be updated.
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I hope you're right but it may not be an easy task because of the different ways dalvik and art handle things.
Then we'll need to rely on custom roms for customizing.. Until xposed does work.
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Then we'll need to rely on custom roms for customizing.. Until xposed does work.
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Kind of like we have done for the last X years? Before xposed ever existed?
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I have a confusion after going through various threads.
I have an unlocked bootloader and the device is running Lollipop and I would like to root it.
Should I use Nexus Root Toolkit or CF-Auto-Root.
I'm confused because somewhere I read that I need a custom Kernel, but I have stock Kernel.
I would no want to change my kernel as it will stop further OTA Updates which Google Rolls-Out, according to me. Please correct me on this too if I'm wrong.
I really need help. Thanks in advance
starting from stable supersu 2.35 modified kernel is NOT required.
stay away from auto tool
Flash latest SuperSU in recovery. Stock or custom doesn't matter.
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shri_chanakya said:
Flash latest SuperSU in recovery. Stock or custom doesn't matter.
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stock recovery????
ironia. said:
stock recovery????
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Sorry I was referring to stock or custom kernel doesn't matter of you have twrp. Use cf auto root if you are stock recovery
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