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So according to the advertising, these will give you 4 hours of movie watching time, with a ten min charge. How does that work?
It charges the battery faster.
Well that advertising is wrong i get 5-6 hours sot on %100 battery
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I have tried higher amp chargers on other phones and it charges them faster but the charge also drops faster.
It doesn't happen on the s6 ofc, the s6 has special hardware and fast charging capable chargers for it, it isn't just a higher amp charger
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I have tried higher amp chargers on other phones and it charges them faster but the charge also drops faster.
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I believe the ad is get 4 hrs of battery life time with 10mins fast charging and ultra power saving mode .
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I believe the ad is get 4 hrs of battery life time with 10mins fast charging and ultra power saving mode .
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I don't know if it's 4 hours, probably is. All I know is it is very fast and 10 minutes gives it a great shot in the arm.
The fast charge spec can charge at 5v like normal USB, or 9, 12, or 20v
It'd be dc-dc converted in the phone to charge the 3.8v cell but at a higher current than if it were only converting 5v
The charger with it looks to only do 9v, my moto charger does 12 and I have a cheapo that claims 20v but I've not owned a phone that would negotiate that high yet.
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I believe the ad is get 4 hrs of battery life time with 10mins fast charging and ultra power saving mode .
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This.
Hello my estimated charging time seems to be not working properly? It says Fast Charging @70% Estimated Charging Time 43 mins.
What's your estimated charging times? at any percentage so I could gauge mine if it has issues. Thanks!
I dont think this is a problem. When the phone is very low like 10% or so and you plug your charger in it will charge you up to around 50 - 70 very fast indeed. Once the phone is around 70% it then starts to slow down to a regular charging pace.
When I plug in my phone it says 1667 mA, after a minute it goes down to 1300 mA. Why is that? Using Galaxy Charging Current app
For starters you are leaving it a lot of info, like what is the battery level when you are doing that. Also while the screen is on you might show less of a charger rate than with the screen off.
Kinda weird but when I use a BlackBerry tablet charger (1.8A with 6ft fixed cord on them, have a lot of them for $4.99 ea) I get 1800mA which is higher than the charger that comes with the phone. I never use the charger that comes with the phone as a result.
Marshall1975 said:
I dont think this is a problem. When the phone is very low like 10% or so and you plug your charger in it will charge you up to around 50 - 70 very fast indeed. Once the phone is around 70% it then starts to slow down to a regular charging pace.
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Oh I see! Thanks! I'll try it out! So that's why its adaptive lol.
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Hello.
Can someone explain me how on earth does fart charging works on this device?
I've tried the included cable and charger, third party chargers and i don't see any fast charging going on?!? or any indication on screen that it's happening.
I've read somewhere that you need a special cable to use with the included charger (?!?!) is this true? where do you get this cable?
Phone is amazing but the charging part is really is really weird if you ask me.
Thanks.
J.
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Hello.
Can someone explain me how on earth does fart charging works on this device?
I've tried the included cable and charger, third party chargers and i don't see any fast charging going on?!? or any indication on screen that it's happening.
I've read somewhere that you need a special cable to use with the included charger (?!?!) is this true? where do you get this cable?
Phone is amazing but the charging part is really is really weird if you ask me.
Thanks.
J.
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it sharges in an hour and half with me
it is quite fast
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it sharges in an hour and half with me
it is quite fast
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do you get any message saying fast charging?
it doesnt show any fast charging message, so i wouldnt rely on such a message to make sure its working. just use the included cable and charger and ull be fine it takes about 2.5 hours to charge from 0-100% via fastcharge
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Yeah ...That's why I asked. I plugged a meter to the charger and never saw it go more than 5v 2a.
I think it needs a special cable for the 9v but I can't find any info.
2.5h is not fast charge. My old s6 edge plus used to take around 70-80 m from 5-100% if if you put the remaining 1000mah shouldn't take that long lol
Mean in 30 min 40% recharge . My phone 0 -100% charged in 2:00
trust me, it is fast charge
calculate for yourself: original huawei charger is rated at 9V 2A, thats 18W total. 2A is 2000 mA. mate 8 battery is 4000 mAh.
best case scenario: 4000 mAh / 2000 mA = 2h
now add to that the extra time it needs to charge from 85-100%, because at 85% it automatically slows down charging to prolong the health of the battery and youre at the 2.5h FAST CHARGING time
also, i dont believe for a SECOND that the S6 edge+ charged that fast in your case. check this review: http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-plus-review-battery-life-and-verdict-page-6
"Fast charging comes as standard with the S6 Edge+ and it works. It charged from 0 to 100% in just 1 hour 45 minutes. Samsung claims wireless charging has also been improved – it’s 27% faster on the Edge+ compared to the normal S6 and S6 Edge."
so thats 105 minutes for 3000 mAh. add to that 33.3% to get to 4000 mAh and u get a total charging time of..... 140 minutes. which is 2 hours and 20 minutes
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trust me, it is fast charge
calculate for yourself: original huawei charger is rated at 9V 2A, thats 18W total. 2A is 2000 mA. mate 8 battery is 4000 mAh.
best case scenario: 4000 mAh / 2000 mA = 2h
now add to that the extra time it needs to charge from 85-100%, because at 85% it automatically slows down charging to prolong the health of the battery and youre at the 2.5h FAST CHARGING time
also, i dont believe for a SECOND that the S6 edge+ charged that fast in your case. check this review: http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-plus-review-battery-life-and-verdict-page-6
"Fast charging comes as standard with the S6 Edge+ and it works. It charged from 0 to 100% in just 1 hour 45 minutes. Samsung claims wireless charging has also been improved – it’s 27% faster on the Edge+ compared to the normal S6 and S6 Edge."
so thats 105 minutes for 3000 mAh. add to that 33.3% to get to 4000 mAh and u get a total charging time of..... 140 minutes. which is 2 hours and 20 minutes
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I will make a full test from 0 to 100. I only charged from 40 to 100 and it took way more than 2 hours... that's why i asked if any special cable was needed. And as i told i mesured the charging rate coming out of the charger and never passed the 5V.
As for non Believing. It's REALLY pisses me off when people write that crap. Why would I lie? what would i gain from it? I sold the phone because i wasn't happy with it.... On the contrary and in case you don't know most sites like the ones you post are PAID to give positive reviews.
I checked with including charger and cable and the app Ampére and it charged with 2800mah. So, in ideaal situation it means a charging time of a proximity 1h and 26min. That means "fast charging". At least in my opinion. ?
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I will make a full test from 0 to 100. I only charged from 40 to 100 and it took way more than 2 hours... that's why i asked if any special cable was needed. And as i told i mesured the charging rate coming out of the charger and never passed the 5V.
As for non Believing. It's REALLY pisses me off when people write that crap. Why would I lie? what would i gain from it? I sold the phone because i wasn't happy with it.... On the contrary and in case you don't know most sites like the ones you post are PAID to give positive reviews.
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that doesnt make sense what ure saying because in this case the site actually stated a HIGHER amount of minutes that it would take the s6 edge plus to fully charge from 0-100% so what now, theyre getting paid to write negative reviews as well?
also, no, ure not "gaining" anything from that, but people tend to exaggerate a lot, do a quick "drive by" in a thread and post random statements based on non-correctly remembered experiences and this is exactly how false statements are converted into "truths / facts". read my post and tell me where exactly i listed anything wrong. check various reviews on the mate 8, they all stare the same thing: about 2.5h for a full charge, give or take 10-20 min. it also compares perfectly with the charging time of the s6 edge+ in terms of mAh/min, and in fact these two phones are indeed VERY close, mate 8 being at 49mAh/min and the s6 series at around 50-52, so just marginally faster... which, again, is also represented by the numbers i listed in my post before
and again: there is NO extra message or notification stating ure in fast charge mode on the mate 8, it just does its job, thats it!
if ure getting slower charging rates / voltages, make sure to use the original charger and original cable and both with a proper high voltage power outlet.
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I noticed the fast charging only really kicks in if you leave your phone alone. But if you keep using it while it's charging, it just charges at regular speed. But the moment I put the phone down and screen of for 5 minutes, it quick charges like crazy
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I noticed the fast charging only really kicks in if you leave your phone alone. But if you keep using it while it's charging, it just charges at regular speed. But the moment I put the phone down and screen of for 5 minutes, it quick charges like crazy
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Yes im checked It is true
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lucky then that i always leave my phone alone when its charging
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nighthawk626 said:
I noticed the fast charging only really kicks in if you leave your phone alone. But if you keep using it while it's charging, it just charges at regular speed. But the moment I put the phone down and screen of for 5 minutes, it quick charges like crazy
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I hadn't tested this. After i turn off my phone, a few minutes later it jumps to 9V 2A on my meter. If you turn it back on it goes down to 5V 1A. Must be a phone security thing, which is kinda cool in a way if you ask me.
Btw Apparently quick charge works with non original chargers too. I have a Cheotech 60W 6 port usb with 2 Quick charge ports (which supports 9V 2A/ 12V 1.5A) and it works Using the original cable though.
Don't use fast charging unless you really need it.
Always fast charging overnite (when you're not actually using the phone for many hours) can only shorten your battery longevity more quickly then with normal charging.
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I hadn't tested this. After i turn off my phone, a few minutes later it jumps to 9V 2A on my meter. If you turn it back on it goes down to 5V 1A. Must be a phone security thing, which is kinda cool in a way if you ask me.
Btw Apparently quick charge works with non original chargers too. I have a Cheotech 60W 6 port usb with 2 Quick charge ports (which supports 9V 2A/ 12V 1.5A) and it works Using the original cable though.
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is there option somewhere to turn it off? plz
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Don't use fast charging unless you really need it.
Always fast charging overnite (when you're not actually using the phone for many hours) can only shorten your battery longevity more quickly then with normal charging.
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stesteste said:
is there option somewhere to turn it off?
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When I'm going to recharge for many hours overnite I use a 1A travel charger.
i guess thats the best way to restrict charging amperage although it shouldnt hurt the battery so much, considering that the amperage drops off sharply once level reaches 85% and above...
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Charging a phone with a lower rated current, will cause the charger to "try and match" the current requested.
Amps work in that manner, the device determines the draw. For example, using a 5v 5a (theoretical device) on a 5v 1a device will likely melt your adapter / screw up your phone from improper voltages.
In that case, an adapter may heat up, or if its smart enough (unlikely), it will turn off periodically. Most of the time, it will have an unstable voltage (undervolting) which is how some phones are able to detect an improper charger is used. This is bad for your battery.
I do not recommend charging with a charger that isn't rated for it. This is widely documented.
Hey guys, just to let you all know on my findings. I have Nexus 5X charger (rated 5v 3A) and decided to try on my A1.
It goes from 63% (I think, I forgot to write down the actual %) to 100% in 45 minutes. Considering usually after 80% it will charge slowly, I think this is pretty quick time.
I'll test it again some more when the battery level is much lower and report back.
I'm on latest Oreo stable
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are you measuring the charging amperage after 80%?
37% in 45 minutes isn't all that fast, imo.
I'll measure charge time tomorrow, stating start percentage and I'll look for what happens after 80%, to see how much it drops in charging amperage.
goofball2k said:
are you measuring the charging amperage after 80%?
37% in 45 minutes isn't all that fast, imo.
I'll measure charge time tomorrow, stating start percentage and I'll look for what happens after 80%, to see how much it drops in charging amperage.
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I didn't measure it's amperage, just check the time till it fully charged.
If do the math from this charge means from 0% can be fully charge in 82 minutes. That should be faster than stock charger. One caveat though, if it's really 63% and not 73% when I start charging it.
Now my phone already 2 hours SOT and almost an hour hotspot, but still left 74%. Not easy to deplete it's battery.
One more thing I forgot to mention in first post, I'm on latest Oreo stable.
xb360 said:
Hey guys, just to let you all know on my findings. I have Nexus 5X charger (rated 5v 3A) and decided to try on my A1.
It goes from 63% (I think, I forgot to write down the actual %) to 100% in 45 minutes. Considering usually after 80% it will charge slowly, I think this is pretty quick time.
I'll test it again some more when the battery level is much lower and report back.
I'm on latest Oreo stable
OPR1.170623.026.7.12.29
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From what I read, Quick Charge would use dynamic voltage (5v-20v) instead of utilizing higher amps to attain higher wattage charging.
Use ampere app to measure current.
For better results try charging it while its off from 0 to 100.
And try while its on.
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From what I read, Quick Charge would use dynamic voltage (5v-20v) instead of utilizing higher amps to attain higher wattage charging.
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I'm not sure if Nexus 5X charger is QC, it doesn't stated anywhere. But the amperage is higher than A1 stock charger.
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Use ampere app to measure current.
For better results try charging it while its off from 0 to 100.
And try while its on.
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Ok I'll try it when I charge later. Now the battery still left 50%. I'll drain it another 10% at least before charging.
its still same as before.
only below 2A
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Alright so my battery was at 42% when I plug in the charger. Using ampere it stated Max USB Curr is 2000mA. And the reading max is 1930mA while average is about 1800mA.
After 20 minutes it have gone up to 65%. Reached 90% after 43 minutes. At exactly one hour it reached 97%, which I checked ampere reading is 440mA. 100% reached at 64 minutes.
During charging I received a call which lasted about 3 minutes, which I use loud speaker for the call, so here might have added few minutes to it's charging time.
So I guess the speed is around the same when Oreo beta is?
Start time: 0805h
Battery: 38%
Check in time: 0905h
Battery: 87%
Did see that the amperage has lowered to around 1A after the battery reached past 80%. It definitely decreases after 90%, I'll check this the next time I charge.
I can run the test again with a different usb measuring tool. This first one seems to indicate a lower voltage than my other tool by about 0.2v (and amperage by about 0.2-0.3A. Although it should just be a passthrough for the power, it may be inhibiting the power sent to the phone.
The measured amount of power sent was ~1600mAh to get the phone to 90%. That seems about right for 52%, give or take.
i try with Honor 8 Pro QC charger (9v 2a) and it goes from 0 to 78% in 60 minutes, phone was off. I don't know the total time to 100%, sry
Stayed around 1400 mA for me above 80%
goofball2k said:
Start time: 0805h
Battery: 38%
Check in time: 0905h
Battery: 87%
Did see that the amperage has lowered to around 1A after the battery reached past 80%. It definitely decreases after 90%, I'll check this the next time I charge.
I can run the test again with a different usb measuring tool. This first one seems to indicate a lower voltage than my other tool by about 0.2v (and amperage by about 0.2-0.3A. Although it should just be a passthrough for the power, it may be inhibiting the power sent to the phone.
The measured amount of power sent was ~1600mAh to get the phone to 90%. That seems about right for 52%, give or take.
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Using Nexus 5X charger?
I got around 1800 average
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i try with Honor 8 Pro QC charger (9v 2a) and it goes from 0 to 78% in 60 minutes, phone was off. I don't know the total time to 100%, sry
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That seems faster. I got a Huawei 9v 2a charger too, I'll test it after my battery dropped below 50%.
alkesh95 said:
Stayed around 1400 mA for me above 80%
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Stayed 1400 until full?
Using Nexus 5X charger?
xb360 said:
Using Nexus 5X charger?
I got around 1800 average
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1600mAh is the amount of power that was sent to the phone, as measured by my USB measuring tool. If you're talking about amperage during charging, I get around 1.9A on average. It fluctuates between 1.85 and 1.95A, and the voltage fluctuates between 4.95 and 5.20.
This is using a Tutuo charger which is capable of QC 3.0, and also 5v/2.4A.
I've tested using the regular 2.4A port and the QC port.
Basically, this phone does not request more than 2A at most, so even a 3A charger isn't going to make a difference.
I am using stock charger only. Don't have fast charger won't buy it unless phone supports it
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1600mAh is the amount of power that was sent to the phone, as measured by my USB measuring tool. If you're talking about amperage during charging, I get around 1.9A on average. It fluctuates between 1.85 and 1.95A, and the voltage fluctuates between 4.95 and 5.20.
This is using a Tutuo charger which is capable of QC 3.0, and also 5v/2.4A.
I've tested using the regular 2.4A port and the QC port.
Basically, this phone does not request more than 2A at most, so even a 3A charger isn't going to make a difference.
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Looks like it, it won't accept above 2A. I want to try with 9v 2A charger, but after 24 hours and 2.5 hours SOT, the phone still have 75% battery.
alkesh95 said:
I am using stock charger only. Don't have fast charger won't buy it unless phone supports it
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Looks like surely no point to buy fast charger for now.
How much mA you get from ampere when using the stock charger and batter is less than 80%?
xb360 said:
Looks like it, it won't accept above 2A. I want to try with 9v 2A charger, but after 24 hours and 2.5 hours SOT, the phone still have 75% battery.
Looks like surely no point to buy fast charger for now.
How much mA you get from ampere when using the stock charger and batter is less than 80%?
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1700 mA -1900 mA +-50mA
Edit: since you are trying so hard.
From what i have read few years back when i had xperia zl
Incase of zl max current was capped at 1.5 A
QC 1 is 5V 2A our charger 10W
I bought Samsung 5v 2a charger for my zl. I still have it. Works fine. (Just adding history to context :laugh
QC 2 was designed to give 18W(average)
5v 2a QC1 compatibility
9v 2a QC2 18W output
12v 1.67a (from Wikipedia)
QC3 went with higher amps and dynamic voltage
Don't know anything about QC4
So give 9v 2a a try while measuring current take screenshots multiple times to track voltage since i don't know any other way to measure voltage except what ampere already shows.
PS: i know commands to read from proc and all but since i haven't rooted my device i won't ask you to go through that way.
I used lenovo charger which support 5v-2A, 7v-2A, 9v-2A and 12v-2A
Started charging 12:54 AM, battery at 4%, airplane mode activated
and these are the results
alkesh95 said:
1700 mA -1900 mA +-50mA
Edit: since you are trying so hard.
From what i have read few years back when i had xperia zl
Incase of zl max current was capped at 1.5 A
QC 1 is 5V 2A our charger 10W
I bought Samsung 5v 2a charger for my zl. I still have it. Works fine. (Just adding history to context :laugh
QC 2 was designed to give 18W(average)
5v 2a QC1 compatibility
9v 2a QC2 18W output
12v 1.67a (from Wikipedia)
QC3 went with higher amps and dynamic voltage
Don't know anything about QC4
So give 9v 2a a try while measuring current take screenshots multiple times to track voltage since i don't know any other way to measure voltage except what ampere already shows.
PS: i know commands to read from proc and all but since i haven't rooted my device i won't ask you to go through that way.
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I tried with 9v 2A charger, still capped at 5v and almost 2000mA.
One interesting finding is using the 9v and Dash charger plus their cable give consistently almost 2000mA, whereas if using Mi charger and cable; or Dash charger and Mi cable; or Mi charger and Dash cable; all give around 1700 to 1800mA averagely. I think Mi charger and cable is of lower quality and unable to max out 2A.
The conclusion that I found is if want a slightly faster charging then use other better quality charger and cable.
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I used lenovo charger which support 5v-2A, 7v-2A, 9v-2A and 12v-2A
Started charging 12:54 AM, battery at 4%, airplane mode activated
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That's as fast as when Oreo beta is. Like I suspected Mi original charger and cable unable to max out the ampere.
Thanks for all the hardwork???
This thread should be locked now and made into sticky.
Cause this is nothing short of a research on fast charging in Mi A1.
Hi There,
I just read that Mi has not opted for Quick Charge by paying royalty to Qualcomm. So they have disabled QC functions from software side, though chip is definitely capable.
By Mistake, they let Beta have QC functionality. But now that has been fixed.
We now have to find way to enable it ... If possible.
guys even when my battery care is off charging speed is pretty slow takes around 2:30-3 hours for a full charge.
quick charge should be 60% in 30 minutes right? I wouldnt mind it being 2 times slower than that, full charge at 100 minutes which is 1:40 hours but to get to almost 3 hours its even worse than no quick charge phones
how can I fix this?
madshark2009 said:
guys even when my battery care is off charging speed is pretty slow takes around 2:30-3 hours for a full charge.
quick charge should be 60% in 30 minutes right? I wouldnt mind it being 2 times slower than that, full charge at 100 minutes which is 1:40 hours but to get to almost 3 hours its even worse than no quick charge phones
how can I fix this?
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Does your charger support Quickcharge? What is the output of it?
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Does your charger support Quickcharge? What is the output of it?
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its the stock sony charger...
5v=~1500ma
that sucks to ship a device that supports quick charge 3.0 and not send a quick charge charger....
which charger should I get and is it safe to use
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Does your charger support Quickcharge? What is the output of it?
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its the stock sony charger
5v=~1500ma
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its the stock sony charger
5v=~1500ma
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Ive got the same charger bro and mine just charged 38% in 40 minutes
I bought a vetter charger with qc3 and it's charging from 10% to 100% in ~2h40m, with battery care disabled. This qnovo is really bad.
0-50% 2400mah
50-60% 2000mah and so on.
I've bought a Anker quick charger 3.0.
Beetle84 said:
Ive got the same charger bro and mine just charged 38% in 40 minutes
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well maybe so but the higher the percentage the slower the charge speed, which leads to total of 2:40 hours to full charge up to 3:00 hours sometimes
so maybe the first 60-80% are quite fast but it still takes around 100 minutes to get to 80% and another 60 minutes for the other 20% at least which leads to a total of around 160 minutes which is around 160 minutes in total which in quick charge it should do 80% in 35 minutes and the other 20% in 40 minutes or so which leads to total of 75 minutes which is more than 2 times less.
and to think of the first 80% in quick charge it even does it almost 3 times faster!
Your charger is not quickcharge. Quickcharge must have lightning with 3.0 simbol near USB plug and P+ with 2.0 simbol on the other side of plug. Only Sony UCH12W has Quick Charge™ 3.0 and Pump Express Plus™ 2.0. Your Chrger is Sony UCH20C. Am I wright?
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Your charger is not quickcharge. Quickcharge must have lightning with 3.0 simbol near USB plug and P+ with 2.0 simbol on the other side of plug. Only Sony UCH12W has Quick Charge™ 3.0 and Pump Express Plus™ 2.0. Your Chrger is Sony UCH20C. Am I wright?
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yes but thats not the case, I checked youtube, even stock charger is faster to get to 60% than other devices (except the 1+5) but after 60 it just dies! slow as hell
even on quick charge 3.0 it maybe charged to 70/80% faster than stock charger but it still took it 2:40 hours to get to full 100% just like stock charger
so im guessing sony has their reason for shipping the phone with stock charger as it is even faster than other devices to charge to 60% so fast charge wouldnt help it so much because of qnovo