Find included a 2.6.27 kernel and corresponding wlan.ko with serial port enabled. This will work with JF, mikhael's build and so on that use the 2.6.27 kernel. Wifi works, bluetooth works, all that stuff works.
Serial port is /dev/ttyMSM2 with default at 9600 baud. I am turning my ADP into the brains of a UAV, so this should let me control servos with it.
Have fun! 2.6.29 (or whatever will be current) coming when I get off my lazy bum and move to it.
Installation is the usual "rename to update.zip, put in sdcard, start the phone in recovery mode" dealie.
BACK UP YOUR BOOT.IMG AND /SYSTEM/LIB/MODULES/WLAN.KO if you want to revert!
Here's a newer version with a terminal program (dterm, recompiled for g1/g2), or just the terminal by itself. If you flash the terminal ends up in /system/sbin and automatically goes to /dev/ttyMSM2 (see source), again it's just dterm with some cleanups.
By the way, does anyone care about this stuff at all?
I couldn't upload the kernel so here it is http://www.spirit-plumber.com/portfolio/robotics/kernel_serial_term.zip
It sounds very promising/interesting but I'm not exactly sure what it does. Does is it enable accessing the baseband via serial or something? This is something that was used on the original iPhone to try to unlock it.
I think if you explain more clearly what it does then more people will seem interested, & remember no contribution here is a bad one, someone will have a use for it.
It gives you a serial port that can be used as a device rather than just for debugging, as shown here
http://www.instructables.com/id/Android_G1_Serial_Cable/ (not by me btw) This software stuff makes it usable for general purpose IO. That allows a G1 and an inexpensive microcontroller, arduino/picaxe/etc to control servos, talk to a second GPS, and so on.
I develop autopilots for RC planes and the G1 would be a great platform for that since it has a gps, compass, accelerometer and camera already integrated in a relatively small/light package.
Also, ROBOTS! http://hackaday.com/2009/01/25/forknife-android-g1-controlled-robot/ This was done using the audio port, but having a serial port on board bypasses all the DTMF stuff and allows for a lot more bandwidth. (Also not by me, if you do want to see stuff by me, search spiritplumber on youtube!)
I'm also very interested in such a kernel as a friend and I are interested in interfacing a phone to a serial robot controller.
However, I am currently running Cyanogen 4.0.4 on a MyTouch and loading this kernel effectively breaks the phone. No radio, GPS, etc. and many apps are missing/broken. The serial port does work and we got it talking with our robot but otherwise it's not much use to me.
So atm it's either a phone or an overly expensive microcontroller but not both.
You could submit the patches to cyanogen to see if he'd be willing to incorporate it in his build.
this is kernel version 2.6.27 and i think the build you use has kernel 2.6.29 which is why everything'd break. i will build 2.6.29 at some point, for now use a build that still use .27? i useJF151 with good results.
Hi, I'm interested in this stuff, I just wonder how can I use this to interface G1 to Arduino? any idea/tips will be helpful. TIA.
You end up with a new device, /dev/ttyMSM2 which is a standard issue serial port that can be used to talk to microcontrollers. The voltage is 2.8V which means it will work with a 5V micro in the phone-->micro direction, but if you want to go the other way you'll need a divider.
(see the other thread i posted in for a schematic)
I should probably get cracking on a donut version
Wow
Interesting stuff. I just wish I had the ability to take advantage of this. I think this would bring it one step closer to being able to use the G1 as an OBD-II car scanner. But I'm afraid that will take way more technical ability than I have.
Not really...
http://www.suntekstore.com/OBD2-16Pin-to-DB9-Serial-Port-Adapter-Cable-.html
http://www.instructables.com/id/Android_G1_Serial_Cable/
+ my kernel
Nice work
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I develop autopilots for RC planes and the G1 would be a great platform for that since it has a gps, compass, accelerometer and camera already integrated in a relatively small/light package.
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Genius! Well done for bringing this all together!!!!
I found your thread while trying to investigate the same project you've done already - making an autonomous drone using the G1 !!!
- I'd be very interested to see videos/info/photos of your drone.
I've seen all the bespoke UAV controllers on DIYdrone.com, but was more interested in the challenge of making my G1 with all it's sensors directly control a servo controller board via serial.
I'm a bit worried that the screen must stay on, which will burn through the G1's battery in no time! - is this still necessary?
I'm really impressed and thankful for what you have done, and making it public!!!
I'm currently on Cyanogen 4.0.4. so I guess the first step is to back track to an earlier Kernel version...
Unless you're close to rebuilding 2.6.29 ???
Thanks for the 'instructables' for the cable too, I've ordered the bits and hope to test in the next few days - ironically I found that before this thread!
Hmmm...
I've just studied your cable making instructions and have some questions!
The USB-Serial converter board... is that any use at all other than a PC interface?
I shouldnt actually need this to talk directly to another serial device from my G1?
- I got the impression the USB/Serial board was to convert the G1's USB to Serial...
Could I send a serial TX messages directly from the break-out board to a serial RX pin... (Servo controller) does that sounds correct?
Sorry for the torrent of questions...
If you want to talk to a different device you just need to flip pins 2 and 3 on the serial port and use a male rather than female connector so yes you can definitely do that!
In fact you can do two at the same time: Here's me using the G1 to relay data from a GPS to a servo controller. If you'd like the schematics for that let me know. If you have any sort of work related to this DEFINITELY let me know.
By the way, I'm using a 74HTC14 for doing the level shifting and inverting: it's a very cheap part and also has the advantage of cleaning up the waveform nicely. Or you can use some transistors.
EDIT: Attachment is being stupid so go here for photos: http://spirit-plumber.com/robotseverywhere/gallery/images/other/gphone/
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If you want to talk to a different device you just need to flip pins 2 and 3 on the serial port and use a male rather than female connector so yes you can definitely do that!
In fact you can do two at the same time: Here's me using the G1 to relay data from a GPS to a servo controller. If you'd like the schematics for that let me know. If you have any sort of work related to this DEFINITELY let me know.
By the way, I'm using a 74HTC14 for doing the level shifting and inverting: it's a very cheap part and also has the advantage of cleaning up the waveform nicely. Or you can use some transistors.
EDIT: Attachment is being stupid so go here for photos: http://spirit-plumber.com/robotseverywhere/gallery/images/other/gphone/
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Hi Spiritp,
Thanks for your comments, I'll give that a whirl then!
I'll definitely keep you posted!
My basic plan is:
Use accelerometer for auto-leveling control, use pre-defined GPS routes so I know the take-off / landing site altitude above sea level, and eventually get the G1 to take photo's at GPS waypoints.
Probably ambitious considering my electronics knowledge, but I'll keep you posted with progress.
If you have any pointers of how to send Serial commands from within the Android App layer, I'd really appreciate it.
With so many 'rooted' applications doing kernel based tasks I'm pretty sure it'll be possible... but I'm also fairly green on linux & java, so this will be a challenge for sure. (Time to hack my way through other people's work and understand what's going on!!!)
Thanks for your response,
Andy
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By the way, I'm using a 74HTC14 for doing the level shifting and inverting: it's a very cheap part and also has the advantage of cleaning up the waveform nicely. Or you can use some transistors.
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Question 1:
When you say 'level shifting' is this to bring the TX/RX voltage to the same level? (i.e. 5v --> 5v, rather than 2.8v --> 5v)
Question 2:
If I plugged a 5v serial device into the G1's RX connector, would this damage the G1?
Question 3:
Please help explain how non-printing byte-level data (Servo commands) can be sent from DTerm... I've had a poke around on the internet but with no success...
Question 4:
I have installed your Kernel/DTerm... which runs DTerm ok, but the commands 'ls' return the error 'not found'.
- which worked before adopting your kernel..
Is this normal? How can I fix this?
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Ok, I think I'm half way there... I've now bought one of these:
http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=194
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If you want to talk to a different device you just need to flip pins 2 and 3 on the serial port and use a male rather than female connector so yes you can definitely do that!
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Reminds me of the HP48 token ring networks. http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=3603 In essence, device 1 would transmit data to device 2. Device 2 would see that the packet was meant for a different device and retransmit the packet to device 3, the intended recipient. If device 2 had been transmitting a packet to device 1, it would have passed through 3 on the way back around. Adding another device to the network was as simple as breaking the chain and adding a new one. Building the cables to do that wouldn't be too difficult.
Level shifting:
Internally the G1 uses 2.8 volts. This is nice if you've a 5V interface because:
On going G1--->other part, 2.8 is high enough to register as "high", you may need a pullup resistor (try 10k).
On going other part--->G1 you just need a voltage divider! That's two resistors of equal value, this makes the other part effectively output at 2.5v which the G1 will happily accept! (If this confuses you, see "voltage divider" on wikipedia..... it's literally just 2 parts). Here's a picture on page 5: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=496976&page=2
If you need to do stuff in that sense I recommend just having the servo controller take in ascii stuff. Or you can modify dterm. Or I can give you a modified copy of dterm that has that functionality let me know!
If you use a 3.3V microcontroller such as the Parallax Propeller, just slap two 1KOhm resistors on the rx and tx lines and go do stuff: it works.
Controlling servos via G1 is very painless and easy, I already do that, let me know if you want tips.T
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Level shifting:
Internally the G1 uses 2.8 volts. This is nice if you've a 5V interface because:
On going G1--->other part, 2.8 is high enough to register as "high", you may need a pullup resistor (try 10k).
On going other part--->G1 you just need a voltage divider! That's two resistors of equal value, this makes the other part effectively output at 2.5v which the G1 will happily accept! (If this confuses you, see "voltage divider" on wikipedia..... it's literally just 2 parts). Here's a picture on page 5: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=496976&page=2
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That's excellent, I think I have a solution for the voltage, but thanks a lot for your electronics expertise!!!!!!!
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If you need to do stuff in that sense I recommend just having the servo controller take in ascii stuff. Or you can modify dterm. Or I can give you a modified copy of dterm that has that functionality let me know!
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I'm actually using a Pololu micro serial servo controller (SSC) - I'm fairly sure it doesnt support ASCII characters, the manual only explains how to compile a '3 byte sequence' :
To set the servo position, send a sequence of three bytes. The first byte is a syncronization value that must always be 255. Byte 2 is the servo number, and it can be 0-254. Byte 3 is the position to which you want the servo to move, also 0-254. (sync= 0xFF,servo= 0x00-0xFE,position= 0x00-0xFE)
If you can help / let me know how to modify dterm I would really appreciate it!!
Although I'm still not sure how I'm going to access this from the Android Application layer - making calculations from accelerometer & GPS, then sending the calculated servo movement down to a kernel app?
Any help in this area would be greatly appreciated!
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Controlling servos via G1 is very painless and easy, I already do that, let me know if you want tips.T
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I would find any tips interesting !!!
Thanks again for your comments & help, you're making this project far easier than I could have hoped!!!!! hopefully I will be able offer you help in my areas of expertise some day!
- I'm an application developer by day, using VB.net/Sybase Powerbuilder/Pocketbuilder/SQL/Microsoft-based network admin.
Just a quick final question (for today!!) - my Wlan seems to have been knocked out by your kernel image... the android manager can see AP's but always reports that it was unsuccessful when trying to connect.. and ideas?
- I'm on JF1.51 ADP1, no other mods or changes.
Andy
(I would have posted this in the development forums but apparently I don't yet have enough "karma" or something {grin})
I'm on a project to use Android tablets to exchange data via USB with an embedded microcontroller environment. At present I'm using a Nexus 7 (because it supports USB Accessory mode, so it can be powered by the other end) and an Arduino Due (because it has two USB interfaces). I've read countless articles and scoured everything I can find on the topic of programming for USB, but still have some fundamental questions.
The biggest one concerns how the host and device interfaces "identify" each other. Seems like each end needs to expose a USB interface with VID/PID values that the other end knows about and looks for during initialization. This implies that the code on each end would need to control the PID and VID values, as well as other USB descriptor values. Yet none of the code examples I've found ever discuss this.
Example: I've found that the Nexus 7 exposes one PID value (0x4E42) when its USB port is configured in "media device (MTP)" mode, and a different PID value (0x4E44) when its USB port is configured in "camera (PTP)" mode. The protocols for interacting with these two configurations is different, and the code on the other end of the wire needs to know how to handle that. I haven't checked yet but I suspect the values in the usb_interface and usb_interface_descriptor structures also change along with the PID value, since usb.org defines a whole bunch of standardized values for various device types. A connecting device would retrieve these values, potentially from multiple exposed logical interfaces on the same physical USB port, and select a compatible one.
Since I'm writing the code on both ends of the wire, doesn't my code need to somehow convey these values into the USB interface hardware? How is that done, for example, under Android? Do the code examples just omit this because everyone but me knows how to do it?
If I just "ignore" this question, then when the Arduino (acting as USB Host) polls the Nexus 7 it will have to select from whatever interfaces are offered. So... whose code is in charge of those interfaces? How does my code tell the Android OS which of these "default" interfaces it will be handling? My suspicion is that, if a USB interface is being advertised, there is *already* code behind it. That brings me full circle to the question of "How does my code inform Android that it wants to use certain VID/PID values?"
I hope I've explained this clearly. It's a pretty detailed question, so if it's unclear I can try to ask it differently. Thanks in advance for any guidance, tips, RTFM's, etc.!
For interacting arduino with android device, it can be written under eclipse, you can learned it from "Beginning Android ADK with Arduino" which can be downloaded from torrent market. VID/PID mostly used to allow your device to be recognised to your computer.
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For interacting arduino with android device, it can be written under eclipse, you can learned it from "Beginning Android ADK with Arduino" which can be downloaded from torrent market.
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Thanks, I'll look for that reference!
VID/PID mostly used to allow your device to be recognised to your computer.
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Yes, but those parameters (along with a couple of others) are used to 1) confirm that the two devices recognize each other, and 2) in some cases to launch the proper code to handle that interface/protocol. So you must have control over them, and must initialize the USB system with the proper values in some manner. I presumed it would be in the Android API but I can't find any reference to setting the low-level values for USB connections.
Thanks again for the response! Anyone with additional data? It would be greatly appreciated!
I am trying to build a custom ROM for pixel 4a. I was able to build the images successfully. After I flash, the phone boots but gets stuck in Google logo. How can I debug this? Device is not listed in adb at this point of time. Any suggestions/guide to debug the device preferably without rooting in this scenario?
I'm assuming you are hitting a problem with the kernel. Your best, maybe only option is to connect a serial console to the device. Luckily, it seems you don't have to disassemble the phone to reach solder pads anymore, but you do have to create an adapter to get console out of the USB port. I found these links that might be helpful. I did not find anyone selling pre-made adapters.
Serial debugging:Cable schematics - postmarketOS
wiki.postmarketos.org
GitHub - Peter-Easton/android-debug-cable-howto: This is a simple how-to to create your own android kernel debugging cable using commercially available parts.
This is a simple how-to to create your own android kernel debugging cable using commercially available parts. - GitHub - Peter-Easton/android-debug-cable-howto: This is a simple how-to to create y...
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GitHub - google/usb-cereal: USB-Cereal is a debugging and development tool for designs that use USB-C port and bring out serial TX/RX lines into SBU1/2 pins. USB-Cereal is made compatible with both 1.8V and 3.3V signalling.
USB-Cereal is a debugging and development tool for designs that use USB-C port and bring out serial TX/RX lines into SBU1/2 pins. USB-Cereal is made compatible with both 1.8V and 3.3V signalling. -...
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If the kernel finishes booting, and you have an Android problem, you might have other options.
If storage can be mounted, you could dump logs there.
If the network is up you can dump logs remotely. You'd need another device on the network to receive the logs. A USB LAN dongle might be better than WiFi for this...
There was a bootsplash mod that printed console messages. I don't know how easy it is to just write on the screen but if you can leverage an existing project like this it might be manageable.
Are you not using any kind of emulation for testing prior to pushing to the device? Emulation will give you the capability to capture dump/log data for analysis.
Actually I have made few changes in the some xml files that goes into vendor.img. For emulators, we dont need vendor .img right?
Title says it all. I want to build an app that can read and write the pins that the MCU has access to, for example steering wheel, antenna power, etc.
Anyone know how the stock apks do that?
Is the unit an FYT, post Android system information including MCU version
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Title says it all. I want to build an app that can read and write the pins that the MCU has access to, for example steering wheel, antenna power, etc.
Anyone know how the stock apks do that?
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@marchnz is completely right: What type of unit are we talking about?
Your request is like: "I have a car. Which wires do I have to connect to a radio I bought".
If it is a FYT unit, you need to decompile the 190000000_com.syu.canbus.apk. That one contains per CANbus decoder the necessary commands.
This is a teyes cc3.
I was expecting that ST (the SOC manufacturer) or FYT used the standard Android library for connecting to the GPIO pins, or provided a library of their own. I didn't suspect that each brand would create their own unique hardware library for something as fundamental as GPIO access.
I tried the standard Android libraries and GetGpioList() doesn't return the pins.
Was hoping someone else had already gone through the effort to decompile this part and see how it works. All good if not; I can definitely do it.
@surfer63 thanks for the lead, but the canbus implementation is done with 3 dedicated bxCAN networks on the SOC which are separate from the GPIO controller.
Thanks for the notes all. I'll just start digging in and let y'all know what I find.
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This is a teyes cc3.
I was expecting that ST (the SOC manufacturer) or FYT used the standard Android library for connecting to the GPIO pins, or provided a library of their own. I didn't suspect that each brand would create their own unique hardware library for something as fundamental as GPIO access.
I tried the standard Android libraries and GetGpioList() doesn't return the pins.
Was hoping someone else had already gone through the effort to decompile this part and see how it works. All good if not; I can definitely do it.
@surfer63 thanks for the lead, but the canbus implementation is done with 3 dedicated bxCAN networks on the SOC which are separate from the GPIO controller.
Thanks for the notes all. I'll just start digging in and let y'all know what I find.
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Try this repo: https://github.com/lbdroid/MCUd/
By now very old but it might still contain some useful info.
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Try this repo: https://github.com/lbdroid/MCUd/
By now very old but it might still contain some useful info.
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Very very nice! This is a huge headstart. Thank you!