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This S4 boot loader debacle has turned me against U.S. carrier based phones. I can't giving $600+ for something as they please without our permission. I'll have to investigate/research which International version I want to buy.
I was aware of it. The seller I bought it from does care about these matters. I bought as it as a learning experience. I sure aren't trying to start any arguments or fights. I was just hoping it could be discussed normally.
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How do you interpret that as smugness? Did you not see the emoticons in my post?
Actually this is the kind of thread people start that are only looking for arguments. It adds nothing to the community. However, I understand your frustration with Samsung and I am sure others feel the same way. But don't think it's OK to post your opinion about a subject and it isn't OK for others to do the same. Not everyone's opinion is going to be the same as yours and creating a thread like this invites ALL opinions on the matter. That is why it's better to not make them in the first place.
Personally (again, my opinion), I knew the phone had a locked boot loader when I bought it. So I am sorry you were lied to about it.
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No, I didn't see the emoticons. I guess I wasn't expecting your response. Sorry!
Your best bet is to stop buying AT&T contracts, as it's they who request for the lock and it's not like Samsung is gonna turn down millions of dollars because a couple thousand modders disagree :/
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This S4 boot loader debacle has turned me against U.S. carrier based phones. I can't giving $600+ for something as they please without our permission. I'll have to investigate/research which International version I want to buy.
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wait for the lg optimus g2 or the moto x. those phones look amazing. they might come with an unlocked bootloader. i was just pondering this the other day. ive only purchased two new phones that were not samsung in my smartphone history. that was the iphone 4s (which i traded for a skyrocket) and the htc surround (wanted to give wp7 a shot). ive had other htcs and one sony. but they were craigslist deals. my next phone is most likely going to be the g2 or moto x. i think its about time for me to give someone else a fair shot.
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Your best bet is to stop buying AT&T contracts, as it's they who request for the lock and it's not like Samsung is gonna turn down millions of dollars because a couple thousand modders disagree :/
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I don't have an AT&T contract. ST is cheaper per month.
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This S4 boot loader debacle has turned me against U.S. carrier based phones. I can't giving $600+ for something as they please without our permission. I'll have to investigate/research which International version I want to buy.
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I think that the S4 has made me a heretic in XDA's eyes. The stock experience, especially after this update, has been marvelous. I've had a bunch of Android devices since 2010 and this is the first time that I think futzing around with custom ROMs is mostly useless. Sure, it's locked down, but it works great. I just shake my head seeing bug reports on the dev threads and wonder why an end user would want to cripple functionality on one of the best phones yet.
Anyway, maybe I got most of the flashing out of my system with my Nexus One and then later with the hooptie Viewsonic gTab 10.1. I think now that the platform is maturing and devices become even more complex, flashing homebrew ROMs will start to fall out of style.
Just my BTC .02, though. I'd like to see amateur/recreactional custom Android development to continue to thrive, though--perhaps on the next to wave of wearable computing and the like. I just want my bling phone to work as advertised.
Er, sorry for droning on.
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I think that the S4 has made me a heretic in XDA's eyes. The stock experience, especially after this update, has been marvelous. I've had a bunch of Android devices since 2010 and this is the first time that I think futzing around with custom ROMs is mostly useless. Sure, it's locked down, but it works great. I just shake my head seeing bug reports on the dev threads and wonder why an end user would want to cripple functionality on one of the best phones yet.
Anyway, maybe I got most of the flashing out of my system with my Nexus One and then later with the hooptie Viewsonic gTab 10.1. I think now that the platform is maturing and devices become even more complex, flashing homebrew ROMs will start to fall out of style.
Just my BTC .02, though. I'd like to see amateur/recreactional custom Android development to continue to thrive, though--perhaps on the next to wave of wearable computing and the like. I just want my bling phone to work as advertised.
Er, sorry for droning on.
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No. Thanks for your input. I have a whole another perspective now.
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I think that the S4 has made me a heretic in XDA's eyes. The stock experience, especially after this update, has been marvelous. I've had a bunch of Android devices since 2010 and this is the first time that I think futzing around with custom ROMs is mostly useless. Sure, it's locked down, but it works great. I just shake my head seeing bug reports on the dev threads and wonder why an end user would want to cripple functionality on one of the best phones yet.
Anyway, maybe I got most of the flashing out of my system with my Nexus One and then later with the hooptie Viewsonic gTab 10.1. I think now that the platform is maturing and devices become even more complex, flashing homebrew ROMs will start to fall out of style.
Just my BTC .02, though. I'd like to see amateur/recreactional custom Android development to continue to thrive, though--perhaps on the next to wave of wearable computing and the like. I just want my bling phone to work as advertised.
Er, sorry for droning on.
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You know to be honest I hope your right. Custom roms and XDA were never really ment for the normal person. Only for those that wished to learn to do development and programing. With Android flashing a device became the cool thing to do. Now we see less real development then ever. So I really hope your right.
Wayne Tech Nexus
zelendel said:
You know to be honest I hope your right. Custom roms and XDA were never really ment for the normal person. Only for those that wished to learn to do development and programing. With Android flashing a device became the cool thing to do. Now we see less real development then ever. So I really hope your right.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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I couldn't have said it any better. It won't be long til we see roms named "swag" or "#yolo" or even named "freelilwayne". Everyone just expects everything to work 100% with no development. All I see are now spammers for apps and themes or someone asking why something doesn't work even though there are 48 other threads about it. I miss the old XDA.
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I couldn't have said it any better. It won't be long til we see roms named "swag" or "#yolo" or even named "freelilwayne". Everyone just expects everything to work 100% with no development. All I see are now spammers for apps and themes or someone asking why something doesn't work even though there are 48 other threads about it. I miss the old XDA.
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The Q & A section in this forum is nearly unusable. There are a few legitimate threads, but almost exclusively it is filled with the same (sometimes noob) crap over and over again all because they are too lazy to do a little searching and reading. And like you said, several of the same questions (that have already been answered) all on the first page or two. Sometimes it's not even the noobs doing it. And that's not taking into consideration the multitudes of the same types of posts (needless questions) being posted in the General section. So I agree, there should be some type of test(s) that people need to pass before they can even enter XDA at this point.
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I don't have an AT&T contract. ST is cheaper per month.
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I mean don't buy anything branded from AT&T or Verizon or any carrier whose device is locked. If you went with the T-Mobile model you wouldn't have been locked down.
Honestly I felt the same way initially. Then I asked myself what Android company am I going to buy then?
HTC - they typically have locked boot loaders (though the One does not)
Moto - Nope always locked and they don't make any cool phones right now.
LG - locked typically
Sony - wouldn't know since they have like No US phones.
So would I rather pay $600 for a phone with boot loader unlocked or $200 for a locked one, I pick the $200. I am assuming must people would also.
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My take; I have had AT&T locked phones in the past and usually someone finds a way to either hack the bootloader or make a bypass, it just takes a lot more time. Still fun to have the phone and customize. Then I've also paid the big dollars and bought the international version unlocked phone. It was great because of lots of customizing, and support however if you run into a warranty issue you are screwed. Unless you know someone in the country your phone came from. I have an international SGS3 but a couple small glitches in the graphics and the worry of the bad system board that causes the instant black screen of death (or whatever it was) I started looking at the S4. I was ready to buy another international phone but it came down to features and actual function. I wanted 4G LTE. Well back when I bought the S3 there were 2 international SGS3 phones. I bought the one with LTE first (9305) turns out the frequencies the phone runs for 3G+ did not work with AT&T in the US. I had to sell it on eBay, forget having LTE, lose a gig of Ram and get the 9300. Then I decided about going back to AT&T and get S4 because I would be covered under warranty and I get all the features that are going to work where I live. Cool thing is its the same hardware as the 9505 so there's still quite a bit of customizing with the SGH-I337. For me it will come down to the features and what works for me in my area. I learned the hard way with the SGS3. Frequencies and no warranty.
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sholsten said:
This S4 boot loader debacle has turned me against U.S. carrier based phones. I can't giving $600+ for something as they please without our permission. I'll have to investigate/research which International version I want to buy.
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just buy a canadian version, they have identical hardware and you will know will have full compatibility with american wireless networks
I feel cheated. I paid $650 out of contract to AT&T for this phone coming from a iPhone, a locked platform I was getting tired of, especially with Jailbreaking becoming harder on it, for the reason to "play" with my phone. With a locked bootloader, and a carrier locked, I cannot do that.
In the world of DRM losing ground you would think they would learn? Moto dropping their locked boot loaders... DRM being removed from Google Play Music and iTunes... people are sick of it adding complication to their lives. I had a P3113 Galaxy Tab 2 7" WiFi only and loved it because of how open it was. Currently running CM10.1.2 on it. Yet their phones are so locked down.
It's not entirely Samsung's fault. AT&T requests a locked bootloader. Samsung provides. A bug around it is found, Samsung has to patch it from a security standpoint. Not their fault. However with the popularity of this phone they could have easily said "No locked bootloaders" and shoved it down AT&T and other carriers throats if they had the balls to do it.
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I feel cheated. I paid $650 out of contract to AT&T for this phone coming from a iPhone, a locked platform I was getting tired of, especially with Jailbreaking becoming harder on it, for the reason to "play" with my phone. With a locked bootloader, and a carrier locked, I cannot do that.
In the world of DRM losing ground you would think they would learn? Moto dropping their locked boot loaders... DRM being removed from Google Play Music and iTunes... people are sick of it adding complication to their lives. I had a P3113 Galaxy Tab 2 7" WiFi only and loved it because of how open it was. Currently running CM10.1.2 on it. Yet their phones are so locked down.
It's not entirely Samsung's fault. AT&T requests a locked bootloader. Samsung provides. A bug around it is found, Samsung has to patch it from a security standpoint. Not their fault. However with the popularity of this phone they could have easily said "No locked bootloaders" and shoved it down AT&T and other carriers throats if they had the balls to do it.
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They were not gonna miss out on the millions of devices sold just for the .1% of people that mode the device. That is why they came out with the GE versions.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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They were not gonna miss out on the millions of devices sold just for the .1% of people that mode the device. That is why they came out with the GE versions.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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True enough. Had I known about the Google Edition I would have waited a bit. If I really wanted I could buy it and sell my current SGH-I337 for a little less than I bought it for. However I kinda wanted to retain the ability to run full Touchwiz / Stock based roms easily.
I'm still happy as I am now running CM10.1 on my phone, and running Goldeneye ROM if I want a stock full Touchwiz ROM. Flash AMF3 model.. and keeping my AMDL Odin package safe. Just had I bought the phone with AMF3 on it I would be totally turned off and be unusable for me because of patched Loki.
personally, i mod or mess with everything. camera rigs i do myself, computers i build myself. cars i mod (and have rebuilt one with help) myself. my house i work on or change.
it is a fundamental hallmark of humanity that we change our environment and create or modify tools around us to suit our needs. so flashing ROMs or trying to customize or even just tinker with these devices is, in my opinion, simply an extension of what it means to be human, to create, express, and change. anything that limits that creativity is a bad thing IMO.
this is where locked bootloaders, fragmentation, and endless carrier variants become bad things, and where i do like apples' approach; one nearly universal product (hardware wise other than LTE/GSM/CDMA or storage size). However, apple is horrible for locked down software.
i will always root/unlock my phones as long as that is possible, because i can. i will always build my own computers, because i can. and i will always drive stick and for sure it wont be stock either; because i can.
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I mean don't buy anything branded from AT&T or Verizon or any carrier whose device is locked. If you went with the T-Mobile model you wouldn't have been locked down.
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Thanks. I didn't realize T-mobile wasn't locked. I wish I'd known when I bought mine.
I wonder if things will stay the same on near new models like the Note 3.
Why is this forum for the G4 so dead? Because it's new and not able to root yet?
Yeah, it was a little early to split the forums. Things'll liven up when root is available.
Plus it seems the bootloader is still locked.
not dead, am hoping it just hasn't come to life yet.
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lol not dead
Who knows, but #10!
I'd say pretty dead. Might we be about to miss our "window" for having a heavily supported device?
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I'd say pretty dead. Might we be about to miss our "window" for having a heavily supported device?
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Possibly. There's still a chance if the pro or nexus 5 is somewhat compatible.
I think I'm giving up on anything but nexus devices in the future. It's obvious the carriers don't care about security or usability.
With the recent security issues I need a phone that I own completely.
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Possibly. There's still a chance if the pro or nexus 5 is somewhat compatible.
I think I'm giving up on anything but nexus devices in the future. It's obvious the carriers don't care about security or usability.
With the recent security issues I need a phone that I own completely.
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You said it bub. I really didn't care whether I bought the M9, S6 or G4 and bought the G4 due reading that the Snapdragon was easier to dev on (so, no S6) and the 810 ran too hot (so, no M9). I pre-ordered at the first possible opportunity with the expectation of seeing a mass amount of custom ROMs and kernels in a couple months.
Performance has been fine, but obviously, the phone being so locked down is a total buzzkill. I'll never buy another non-Nexus device before it's broken wide open by our awesome dev community.
It has been confirmed that LG plans to update the G Flex 2 to Android 6.0 along with their other 2015 flagship phones.
I'm curious as to what the community believes this update will bring to the phone. Obviously we will acquire the improvements of Android Marshmallow, but I really wish I knew if LG plans to bring anything else to the device.
An example would be UX 4.0 from the LG G4. Or if they possibly plan to revamp all the devices to a possible UX 5.0.
The Number one thing on my wishlist would probably be all the camera controls that the LG G4 has.... and maybe even the V10.
I also hope that they just add more options to customize their software. I know that this is an android phone and there are custom launchers and stuff. But I am definitely one of those people that love it when I can be satisfied with the built in software. An example of this is the fact that I don't like any of the unlocking animations that are built in, and there aren't that many of them to choose from. I came from a Nexus 5 and I am huge fan of how clean everything looks. From the icons to the animations, everything just looks focused and subtle. A lot of Lg's software is the opposite of this. Really wish Samsung and LG would stop trying to impress customers with glitter and pretty lights. I don't need the screen to look like a friggin' carbonated water portal opening up just to reveal a text from my mom.
Anyway, rants aside.
What do you guys think we'll get?
Do you think everything will be the same just running on the foundation of Android 6.0? Or do you think LG has more goodies planned..
UX 4 or 5.0 would be nice. Maybe camera software..
But can you tell me where did you found the news of GF2 updating to Marshmellow? Thx.
I'm hoping LG would give there own apps a makeover like the phone app for example. It looks terrible and not like the clean material guidelines Google is using for their apps. Other than that I think not a lot will change, nor does it has to change in my opinion.
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Where was it confirmed?
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Yea I apologize, I read a number of sites earlier in the week supposedly confirming that the phone was getting the update. When I went to go get links for you guys I realized that all of them were basically just assuming or guessing that the phone would get it.
The only report with any evidence was that the G3 and G4 were going to get it because LG added Android 6.0 as one of the possible versions of the operating system that those phones can be running on a Korean LG support page. But those were the only two phones they found and I'm not sure how old that information is.
So basically we're just hoping/assuming the GF2 will get it at this point.
I'd assume the LG G Flex 2 was getting Marshmallow also. It was marketed as a "flagship" device, and it's in the same line as the G4 - I'm guessing it will get it.
In terms of what it will bring, I reckon only improved battery. However the 810 SoC is starting to annoy the hell out of me. I grabbed one of these for £180 brand new as I was trying to be smart....other than the jank caused by v1 of this chip, I love it!
So....yeah, battery and that's about it.
What software version are you running on yours? I did the same thing as you and I bought the phone during a sale. Got it for 250 bucks brand new with free shipping. When I first got the phone it was on Android 5.0.1 and I was actually kind of pissed. The performance was really terrible and unpredictable for a phone with this much horsepower and the battery life was horrible.
But I have to say, that as soon as I was able to get the 5.1.1 update from AT&T/LG the phone's performance is noticeably way better. Really kind of makes you wonder why LG even launched the phone when it was that bad out of the box. I know for a fact that a lot of people returned the phone because of the performance on Ver. 5.0.1 of the software. Everyone just assumed the phone was a piece of ****.
Im hoping they revamp the ui , pull down and icons. Its about as ugly as touchwiz and really hinders the experience. yeah, there are numerous custom launchers, but meh. im hoping someone can develop an aosp rom for this phone
Hi guys,
Any suggestion or leak news that this update will arrives officially on our wonderful device?
LG v10 came in October 2015, so if I'm right, 2 years of Android updates support and we will receive Android 7!
Post here any news spread in the web [emoji2]
Metaldroidiano said:
Hi guys,
Any suggestion or leak news that this update will arrives officially on our wonderful device?
LG v10 came in October 2015, so if I'm right, 2 years of Android updates support and we will receive Android 7!
Post here any news spread in the web [emoji2]
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from my experience with LG devices and updates, firt G5 will receive the 7.0 until ends of September/October and next V10 until ends of December or earlyer January! Dont bother too much, we will receive it anyway!
There is no root for Marshmellow so likely nougat will be more impenetrable. I'm sticking to Marshmellow and waiting for a root.
There is way, way too much crap-ware on verizon phones not to be rooted.
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There is no root for Marshmellow so likely nougat will be more impenetrable. I'm sticking to Marshmellow and waiting for a root.
There is way, way too much crap-ware on verizon phones not to be rooted.
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depends wich variant you have, in some variants the bootloader is unlockable and then have root like mine!
i am sure LG will make all variants unlockable-able bootloader so, you need to wait if you have a locked one!
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i am sure LG will make all variants unlockable-able bootloader so, you need to wait if you have a locked one!
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Not sure why you think that.
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sun_is_shinning said:
depends wich variant you have, in some variants the bootloader is unlockable and then have root like mine!
i am sure LG will make all variants unlockable-able bootloader so, you need to wait if you have a locked one!
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Verizon (or any other cell company) has no vested interested in giving root access to it's customers. The phones are loaded with crap ware to data mine what you are doing. That is valuable data to Verizon and they are not about to lose that income stream if they can help it.
I've had previous Verizon phones with the same "locked down" problems. Even though the phone would play MP3, etc; that made it so you HAD to buy any music you wanted to play through their Verizon store. Outrageous when I have 250GB of music archive I want to choose from.
I held my nose and went back to Verizon because we are planning to move to a rural area and Verizon was the only company that had any coverage. Stuck again in locked down hell.
Someone PLEASE find a way to root these phones!
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Verizon (or any other cell company) has no vested interested in giving root access to it's customers. The phones are loaded with crap ware to data mine what you are doing. That is valuable data to Verizon and they are not about to lose that income stream if they can help it.
I've had previous Verizon phones with the same "locked down" problems. Even though the phone would play MP3, etc; that made it so you HAD to buy any music you wanted to play through their Verizon store. Outrageous when I have 250GB of music archive I want to choose from.
I held my nose and went back to Verizon because we are planning to move to a rural area and Verizon was the only company that had any coverage. Stuck again in locked down hell.
Someone PLEASE find a way to root these phones!
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Root the V10 with bootloader locked and Android 6.0 Marshmallow is impossible...
The only method to root V10 with bootloader locked is on 5.1.1 Android Lollipop with some kind of dump, i know its possible because when i have my G Flex 2 i have bootloader locked and i root it in 5.1.1, but when update to 6.0 Marshmallow i cant root so, if you want root for now you need to be in 5.1.1.
We will get android 7 for sure but i also do not expect it before the end of the year. They will first focus on G5 which most probably will get it around september/october and after that will work on V10 and G4. Android 7 have some good new features like the multitasking and advanced doze mode but frankly my V10 is working perfectly even now with marshmallow so i am in no rush to get the update as soon as possible. Lets hope that we will get it as christmas present before end of the year.
Outside of vulkan I couldn't care less about nougat.
In fact I think it should be called 6.1 not 7.0, there is nothing interesting about it multiple windows? This has been around for awhile if the app supports it.. My note 3 had multi window support and so does the LG v10 it's pretty useless
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It should also be noted that marshmallow doze features can be enhanced with 3rd party apps such as ForceDoze which can decrease the time it takes for doze to kick in when the screen is off.
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seems like they made a teaser for android 7 on LG V10 on their IG post lol
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seems like they made a teaser for android 7 on LG V10 on their IG post lol
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Link?
I posted this from Android Authority about a week ago...
LG Android Nougat Update
LG has earned pretty good reputation among devs for updating their flagships faster than anyone else to the latest Android version. Last update also, LG updated their flagship, LG G4 to Marshmallow soon after the update was released for the Nexus devices. We can expect that for the current flagship LG G5 and the previous flagship LG G4 with LG Android 7.0 Nougat Update.
Here is the list of all devices which will get LG Android Nougat Update :
LG G5
LG G4
LG V10
These are the devices which are confirmed to get the Nougat Update from LG, we don’t have any confirmation till now. We’ll be updating the post when it will be available.
Also, LG’s updates are generally lagged by the carriers in US, so the LG Android Nougat Update timeline may vary from different carriers like Verizon, Sprint, etc. And we can expect the updates to come to the devices listed above just after 2 months from release of Android Nougat.
Long story short, at least we're getting it. After rumors of the V20 coming out already many people believed LG would forego the update to pressure people into buying the V20. We know now, that's not the case.
I for one would really like the Nougat update. Split screen might have existed since a long time ago but official support from Google means wider adoption. Vulkan of course is another must have feature along with the improved Doze. I also love the interface seen on the V20 including the notification/quick toggle shade. The V20 also allows the second screen toggles to work whilst the main screen is on (sound, wifi, flash, camera etc.), something that the V10 does not allow. Hopefully this will be implemented as well along with other second screen improvements like allowing all notifications to go on the second screen.
The doze improvements can be brought to marshmallow via ForceDoze which can make doze kick in immediately when the screen is off.
Multi screen I have never found particularly useful for even big screen phones, there is simply not enough room to legitimately work with. Great for tablets nearly useless for phones.
Correct me of I am wrong but The hardware has to support vulkan in order to take advantage of it right? Pretty useless unless you've got a newer phone that can use it.
Nougat to me sounds more like a minor update (should be 6.1 not 7). It sounds like the most lackluster update to android yet.
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sun_is_shinning said:
from my experience with LG devices and updates, firt G5 will receive the 7.0 until ends of September/October and next V10 until ends of December or earlyer January! Dont bother too much, we will receive it anyway!
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LG G5 F700L Korean version has got Nougat 7.0. I am from India and I got this update via LG bridge software,
I do have LG V10 but still no luck with LG bridge. I manually downloaded MM kdz file from LG site and flashed.
It was quite unfortunate though, as back when Nougat was released last year, LG initially listed G4 and V10 to receive Nougat. I just hope with the re-affirmation by them that they will test the firmware well and not do a botched job of the Nougat build. Since it is highly unlikely we are getting the next O software by Google, let's hope we atleast get the latest Nougat 7.1/7.2.
question: I love and hate this phone...camera is great in steady shot, but when fast focus is needed it fails. When I take pics of kids, lots of pic. came out blurry, now, what do you think, can Nougat fix this or it's just slow hardware?
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question: I love and hate this phone...camera is great in steady shot, but when fast focus is needed it fails. When I take pics of kids, lots of pic. came out blurry, now, what do you think, can Nougat fix this or it's just slow hardware?
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i think Nougat doesnt fix what you want, only thing Nougat will bring to us most likely is the new UI from G5/V20 or G6, some doze optimizations, multi-window will be more friendly and nothing more...
hope they can fix the Hi-Fi DAC to be used with the speaker and not only with the earphones, hope to less system storage ocupied by the system and more to the user, and really hope the GPS will be fixed too because my V10 fixing time of GPS is fast but, every 2/3 minuts lost signal and this is really what have dissapointing me in this device!
...and (i dont belive this will happen but) i hope they remove the sh1tty beauty mode for the front facing camera, this make the photos look ugly and have 0 quality!
Since this probably will be the last OS to our V10 i think users deserve unlockable bootloaders and then users can cook their own rom's and kernels (this is a dream for me since day 1 of have the phone in my hands, since july last year!).
Root LG V10 - TMobile
It's possible with Dirty-Cow root.
sun_is_shinning said:
Root the V10 with bootloader locked and Android 6.0 Marshmallow is impossible...
The only method to root V10 with bootloader locked is on 5.1.1 Android Lollipop with some kind of dump, i know its possible because when i have my G Flex 2 i have bootloader locked and i root it in 5.1.1, but when update to 6.0 Marshmallow i cant root so, if you want root for now you need to be in 5.1.1.
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...I've tried to find out how to update this bloody thing to Nougat, but to no avail whatsoever. Google has turned up nothing up to date, the folks at Samsung don't seem to know jack (but I bet they can write BOOKS about flagships & recent former flagships like the S8 line & S7 line), and the folks at Boost are even MORE clueless. (And please believe me...I am trying to be as polite as possible - an insanely difficult task given just how violently furious I am!!)
Making matters worse is that I just learned earlier that the Sprint version J3 Emerge - EXACT SAME MODEL, SM-J327P - has already gotten the Nougat update...and even THEY have no idea what Boost is doing or when they'll get the update out. (And it doesn't help that Boost doesn't have a clue, swearing that it's up to the manufacturer, while Samsung also has no clue, swearing that it's up to the carrier. LIES. Somebody has to know SOMETHING!!) For that matter, even the AT&T version (SM-J327A, renamed something stupid like Galaxy Express Prime 2 or something equally Verizon-level dumb) has Nougat STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX.
So what gives!? Is there any way to upgrade this thing, or is there some sort of port of the Sprint Nougat firmware - which has to be beyond the QF4 baseband - with a Boost fix (akin to how the AT&T and T-Mobile Galaxy S7s can have the SM-G930U firmware flashed to them)? Or should I just chuck this piece of junk into a wall repeatedly and pony up precious funds for something that actually DOES get updates (and preferably with another carrier, as I'm sick of these Shanahanegans from Boost)!?
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...I've tried to find out how to update this bloody thing to Nougat, but to no avail whatsoever. Google has turned up nothing up to date, the folks at Samsung don't seem to know jack (but I bet they can write BOOKS about flagships & recent former flagships like the S8 line & S7 line), and the folks at Boost are even MORE clueless. (And please believe me...I am trying to be as polite as possible - an insanely difficult task given just how violently furious I am!!)
Making matters worse is that I just learned earlier that the Sprint version J3 Emerge - EXACT SAME MODEL, SM-J327P - has already gotten the Nougat update...and even THEY have no idea what Boost is doing or when they'll get the update out. (And it doesn't help that Boost doesn't have a clue, swearing that it's up to the manufacturer, while Samsung also has no clue, swearing that it's up to the carrier. LIES. Somebody has to know SOMETHING!!) For that matter, even the AT&T version (SM-J327A, renamed something stupid like Galaxy Express Prime 2 or something equally Verizon-level dumb) has Nougat STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX.
So what gives!? Is there any way to upgrade this thing, or is there some sort of port of the Sprint Nougat firmware - which has to be beyond the QF4 baseband - with a Boost fix (akin to how the AT&T and T-Mobile Galaxy S7s can have the SM-G930U firmware flashed to them)? Or should I just chuck this piece of junk into a wall repeatedly and pony up precious funds for something that actually DOES get updates (and preferably with another carrier, as I'm sick of these Shanahanegans from Boost)!?
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I understand what you mean and it's exactly why I don't like dealing with customer service, try this the next time, just ask for the manager and then you might get a better turnout
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I understand what you mean and it's exactly why I don't like dealing with customer service, try this the next time, just ask for the manager and then you might get a better turnout
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Tried that last night when I called Boost AND Samsung. Unfortunately, the managers I spoke with were just as braindead as the representatives. Honestly, I find it impossible that entire staffing teams could be that incompetent. I mean, how do they even get these jobs when they know nothing about their products!?
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Tried that last night when I called Boost AND Samsung. Unfortunately, the managers I spoke with were just as braindead as the representatives. Honestly, I find it impossible that entire staffing teams could be that incompetent. I mean, how do they even get these jobs when they know nothing about their products!?
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I honestly don't know but LG is the same way.
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FireConvoy said:
...I've tried to find out how to update this bloody thing to Nougat, but to no avail whatsoever. Google has turned up nothing up to date, the folks at Samsung don't seem to know jack (but I bet they can write BOOKS about flagships & recent former flagships like the S8 line & S7 line), and the folks at Boost are even MORE clueless. (And please believe me...I am trying to be as polite as possible - an insanely difficult task given just how violently furious I am!!)
Making matters worse is that I just learned earlier that the Sprint version J3 Emerge - EXACT SAME MODEL, SM-J327P - has already gotten the Nougat update...and even THEY have no idea what Boost is doing or when they'll get the update out. (And it doesn't help that Boost doesn't have a clue, swearing that it's up to the manufacturer, while Samsung also has no clue, swearing that it's up to the carrier. LIES. Somebody has to know SOMETHING!!) For that matter, even the AT&T version (SM-J327A, renamed something stupid like Galaxy Express Prime 2 or something equally Verizon-level dumb) has Nougat STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX.
So what gives!? Is there any way to upgrade this thing, or is there some sort of port of the Sprint Nougat firmware - which has to be beyond the QF4 baseband - with a Boost fix (akin to how the AT&T and T-Mobile Galaxy S7s can have the SM-G930U firmware flashed to them)? Or should I just chuck this piece of junk into a wall repeatedly and pony up precious funds for something that actually DOES get updates (and preferably with another carrier, as I'm sick of these Shanahanegans from Boost)!?
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I checked sammobile and no one has 7.0 for our device yet.
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I honestly don't know but LG is the same way.
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I checked sammobile and no one has 7.0 for our device yet.
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LG has a bunch of imbeciles. Been that way with them since the LG Optimus S/V. As for SamMobile... either that site's outdated or the Sprint rep I spoke to last night had no clue what she was talking about - I asked her specifically about this phone (SM-J327P), seeing as they have the exact same model, and she said that they got the Nougat update...
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LG has a bunch of imbeciles. Been that way with them since the LG Optimus S/V. As for SamMobile... either that site's outdated or the Sprint rep I spoke to last night had no clue what she was talking about - I asked her specifically about this phone (SM-J327P), seeing as they have the exact same model, and she said that they got the Nougat update...
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I could check again next week, if they uploaded it but chances are it's not sammobile depending on when they sent the update out, that's where I get the majority of my firmware for my devices.
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I honestly don't know but LG is the same way.
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I checked sammobile and no one has 7.0 for our device yet.
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The version of this phone... Model in my Tapatalk sig... Came with 7 out of the box
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The version of this phone... Model in my Tapatalk sig... Came with 7 out of the box
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The AT&T version. Exactly my point. The European release also comes with Nougat out the box. And Sprint just got the Nougat update (unless that chick ain't know what she was talking about). So HOW is it even remotely possible that NOBODY knows anything about the Boost variant when it's the same bloody model as the Sprint one (SM-J327P)!? Like I said, LIES. There's absolutely zero chance whatsoever that absolutely NOBODY would have ZERO knowledge of when the update would drop for it. And also like I said, I bet that if it were a flagship or a recent former flagship, these clowns would know enough to write a book or ten about it.
(Edit: Nevermind about that question about your baseband)
Okay...interesting...I just looked up the AT&T version. Check this out:
Android version: 7.0
Security patch level (SPL): June 1, 2017
Baseband version: J327AUCU1AQF4
SAME security patch. Almost IDENTICAL baseband (Boost is J327PVPU1AQF4). So why the bloody deuce isn't the Boost version on Nougat!?
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The AT&T version. Exactly my point. The European release also comes with Nougat out the box. And Sprint just got the Nougat update (unless that chick ain't know what she was talking about). So HOW is it even remotely possible that NOBODY knows anything about the Boost variant when it's the same bloody model as the Sprint one (SM-J327P)!? Like I said, LIES. There's absolutely zero chance whatsoever that absolutely NOBODY would have ZERO knowledge of when the update would drop for it. And also like I said, I bet that if it were a flagship or a recent former flagship, these clowns would know enough to write a book or ten about it.
(Edit: Nevermind about that question about your baseband)
Okay...interesting...I just looked up the AT&T version. Check this out:
Android version: 7.0
Security patch level (SPL): June 1, 2017
Baseband version: J327AUCU1AQF4
SAME security patch. Almost IDENTICAL baseband (Boost is J327PVPU1AQF4). So why the bloody deuce isn't the Boost version on Nougat!?
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Not for nothing... But what do you expect out of a sub $100 device?
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Not for nothing... But what do you expect out of a sub $100 device?
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What would I expect...hmm...perhaps that all variants of the same device are treated equally? It makes zero sense that every variant of this thing EXCEPT the Boost Mobile one either already comes with Nougat (AT&T, Metro PCS, T-Mobile) or just recently got it (Sprint, the closest thing to Boost). And that nobody between the folks at Boost and the folks at Samsung seems to know anything is beyond impossible.
The latest person I spoke with over the phone basically said I should go to a Samsung Experience shop at Best Buy and see if they can help. Now...if the clueless peeps over the phone couldn't do anything...what made her think that some random folks at a display area within a store (that probably know even LESS) could do anything!?
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What would I expect...hmm...perhaps that all variants of the same device are treated equally? It makes zero sense that every variant of this thing EXCEPT the Boost Mobile one either already comes with Nougat (AT&T, Metro PCS, T-Mobile) or just recently got it (Sprint, the closest thing to Boost). And that nobody between the folks at Boost and the folks at Samsung seems to know anything is beyond impossible.
The latest person I spoke with over the phone basically said I should go to a Samsung Experience shop at Best Buy and see if they can help. Now...if the clueless peeps over the phone couldn't do anything...what made her think that some random folks at a display area within a store (that probably know even LESS) could do anything!?
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There is a VERY important difference between the models that you are overlooking...
All the devices that currently have Nougat on it... Are all GSM based... Which is what most of the world uses...
Boost, sprint, Verizon, and us Cellular... Are all CDMA carriers... Which, afaik, are only available in the US... CDMA is an old outdated method of wireless transfer... And if Verizon wasn't so big... Probably wouldn't exist anymore...
So yeah... Fair treatment and all that... But for 20% of the people who might use the phone... You have to see how it isn't cost effective to develop... Especially since you are in the minority as most would just use whatever is on the device...
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There is a VERY important difference between the models that you are overlooking...
All the devices that currently have Nougat on it... Are all GSM based... Which is what most of the world uses...
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Good point. Except as I said, Sprint seems to have just recently gotten Nougat (unless the rep I spoke with didn't know what she was talking about). So that potentially makes one CDMA variant with it...and the Sprint variant's base model number is SM-J327P, just like the Boost one. (It does get a little different when you get into full model numbers - SM-J327PZSASPR for Sprint but SM-J327PZSABST for Boost) So if the Sprint one really has received the update, then perhaps there's some interior carrier workings that I'm unaware of (from a consumer standpoint) that would possibly prevent Nougat from even being possible at all on the Boost version. But it doesn't help that absolutely nobody at Samsung or at Boost knows anything. How do they even have these jobs when they don't know anything about the products?
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Good point. Except as I said, Sprint seems to have just recently gotten Nougat (unless the rep I spoke with didn't know what she was talking about). So that potentially makes one CDMA variant with it...and the Sprint variant's base model number is SM-J327P, just like the Boost one. (It does get a little different when you get into full model numbers - SM-J327PZSASPR for Sprint but SM-J327PZSABST for Boost) So if the Sprint one really has received the update, then perhaps there's some interior carrier workings that I'm unaware of (from a consumer standpoint) that would possibly prevent Nougat from even being possible at all on the Boost version. But it doesn't help that absolutely nobody at Samsung or at Boost knows anything. How do they even have these jobs when they don't know anything about the products?
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You've never read Dilbert?
You've never seen how programmers talk about sales people?
Like I said... Understanding tech more than just using it... Is not normal... Most people don't mess with devices like you see people here on XDA...
Think about it from an end user perspective... What big change happened between marshmallow and nougat that would warrant the cost of bringing up a low end device?
These are paid developers...
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Think about it from an end user perspective... What big change happened between marshmallow and nougat that would warrant the cost of bringing up a low end device?
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I would assume that the "big change" between Marshmallow & Nougat would be the same that would warrant the cost of updating mid-level and especially flagship level devices. But, that's probably an irrelevant point, and I don't want to come across as trying to make an argument of it. Odds are, more end users are on mid-levels & flagships and some of them expect to have the latest & greatest software on it...at least until the next big thing comes along. In that regard, any costs of updates for higher level devices are indeed logical. My thing is that for one variant of a low-level device to be left in the cold while other variants of the exact same device either get updated or have an update immediately out of the packaging doesn't seem logical. Unless, of course, it was the proverbial "beta test" before a wider release.
I did a little more researching...the Verizon variant (SM-J327V, called the Samsung Galaxy J3 Eclipse...probably because Verizon LOVES to rename things) also has Nougat now...which makes two CDMA variants. I guess at this point, it doesn't matter; if the folks at Boost Mobile (and Samsung, with their outdated website info) have no knowledge despite any and all facts presented to them, then odds are probably high that this version of the device simply won't get updated at all.
Funny how supposedly the CDMA carriers don't get the newer updates, yet Verizon's variant came with Nougat out of the box and Sprints was updated and US Cellular's J3 (2017)[which by a simple googling...is what the Emerge is commonly refered to as with it's variants across all the carriers] has Nougat out of the box.
Now, I don't know about you...but the MVNOs of one of the carriers that supposedly doesn't have Nougat based on the bollocks that it's "CDMA" is the only one out of ALL the carriers that have this phone or its variants is ludicrous. The ODIN package for my phone is for Sprint and both of its MVNOs, which makes me wonder what the hell Boost and Virgin Mobile are doing when they should honestly get the same updates that Sprint gets.
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There is a VERY important difference between the models that you are overlooking...
All the devices that currently have Nougat on it... Are all GSM based... Which is what most of the world uses...
Boost, sprint, Verizon, and us Cellular... Are all CDMA carriers... Which, afaik, are only available in the US... CDMA is an old outdated method of wireless transfer... And if Verizon wasn't so big... Probably wouldn't exist anymore...
So yeah... Fair treatment and all that... But for 20% of the people who might use the phone... You have to see how it isn't cost effective to develop... Especially since you are in the minority as most would just use whatever is on the device...
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using Tapatalk
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the verizon variant J327V eclipse received 7.0 btw
I has one thing to say...
I have been doing A LOT of research about Boost's variant of the J327P the last week or so because my boyfriend softbricked his and I had to fix it, and have only seem to come up with one conclusion about Boost Mobile itself. Boost Mobile really just sucks donkey **** when it comes to support for devices. I can't think of any other way to put it. I say this because even when Sprint's variant was still running Marshmallow, Sprint released SOOO many more updates on firmware than Boost has. It's actually to the point where my brain literally hurts and I legitimately contemplated whether or not getting stung by 5 billion wasps would be a better solution than trying to figure out what the **** Boost Mobile is doing when it comes to releasing software updates for ALL of their phones. Not just this one. In fact, my head hurts so badly from trying to come up with a viable reason as to why Boost doesn't release updates as often as other phone carriers do, that I would almost rather stab myself in the eye with a corkscrew and remove it wine cork style than try to think about this any longer.
*sigh* If you manage to figure out anything new on the subject, please pm me. It'd be nice to be in touch with someone who actually understands things about this particular phone since my boyfriend seems to like it so much and makes me fix it every time it gets stuck booting. I am currently fixing it because it randomly factory reset itself and enabled the FRP lock. No joke, he unlocked the screen on his phone to google something, it said, "**** your google question," and reset itself. :crying: My only advice on this phone is to immediately find the nearest boulder and SMASH it to bits.
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I have been doing A LOT of research about Boost's variant of the J327P the last week or so because my boyfriend softbricked his and I had to fix it, and have only seem to come up with one conclusion about Boost Mobile itself. Boost Mobile really just sucks donkey **** when it comes to support for devices. I can't think of any other way to put it. I say this because even when Sprint's variant was still running Marshmallow, Sprint released SOOO many more updates on firmware than Boost has. It's actually to the point where my brain literally hurts and I legitimately contemplated whether or not getting stung by 5 billion wasps would be a better solution than trying to figure out what the **** Boost Mobile is doing when it comes to releasing software updates for ALL of their phones. Not just this one. In fact, my head hurts so badly from trying to come up with a viable reason as to why Boost doesn't release updates as often as other phone carriers do, that I would almost rather stab myself in the eye with a corkscrew and remove it wine cork style than try to think about this any longer.
*sigh* If you manage to figure out anything new on the subject, please pm me. It'd be nice to be in touch with someone who actually understands things about this particular phone since my boyfriend seems to like it so much and makes me fix it every time it gets stuck booting. I am currently fixing it because it randomly factory reset itself and enabled the FRP lock. No joke, he unlocked the screen on his phone to google something, it said, "**** your google question," and reset itself. :crying: My only advice on this phone is to immediately find the nearest boulder and SMASH it to bits.
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Would you be willing to root it and flash either a magiskSU or a SuperSU custom ROM?
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Would you be willing to root it and flash either a magiskSU or a SuperSU custom ROM?
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It was already rooted using SuperSu. It's back to stock now, but I'd have to ask my boyfriend if he wants it rooted again cause it's his phone. If it was mine, I'd say hell yeah. Unfortunately, I have a ZTE Warp 7 (N9519) and ZTE all but vanquished any type of access to the bootloader. It's virtually nonexistent and that's not a joke by any means. So my phone is extremely hard to root. If you'd like to give it a go, just let me know because I just got my hands on a Galaxy Note 5 for free that I'm about to switch to and I don't care much for the ZTE. I actually recently won $60 on a bet between myself and a friend of mine who has rooted every phone he's ever touched that he wouldn't be able to root my Warp 7. I thought that my pockets were going to be $60 lighter but I was wrong. I can't say that I can pay you or that its even worth your time, but if you can get my ZTE rooted for the sole purpose of sticking it to the man (ZTE in this case) I'd definately love for my phone to be your guinea pig. It's better than my other plans for the device which may or may not include mailing it to ZTE in a bag filled with urine and feces. -.-
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It was already rooted using SuperSu. It's back to stock now, but I'd have to ask my boyfriend if he wants it rooted again cause it's his phone. If it was mine, I'd say hell yeah. Unfortunately, I have a ZTE Warp 7 (N9519) and ZTE all but vanquished any type of access to the bootloader. It's virtually nonexistent and that's not a joke by any means. So my phone is extremely hard to root. If you'd like to give it a go, just let me know because I just got my hands on a Galaxy Note 5 for free that I'm about to switch to and I don't care much for the ZTE. I actually recently won $60 on a bet between myself and a friend of mine who has rooted every phone he's ever touched that he wouldn't be able to root my Warp 7. I thought that my pockets were going to be $60 lighter but I was wrong. I can't say that I can pay you or that its even worth your time, but if you can get my ZTE rooted for the sole purpose of sticking it to the man (ZTE in this case) I'd definately love for my phone to be your guinea pig. It's better than my other plans for the device which may or may not include mailing it to ZTE in a bag filled with urine and feces. -.-
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I had the ZTE warp 6, what android version is it on, your warp 7?