Need specific Car charger if anyone can help - LG V10 Accessories

I'm looking for a Car charger that can fast charge the V10 and also had a 1 amp output. Has anyone seen anything like this? All the dual car chargers I have seen that offer QC 2.0 have a second port that is 2 amps. I want to charge my phone and power my electronic cigarette that gets hot when using a 2 amp output.
Thanks

Get this one. Very good. Quick charge 2.0 on one then the other slot provides 2.4amp output for universal any device and even tablet could charge off it as well.

wadamean said:
Get this one. Very good. Quick charge 2.0 on one then the other slot provides 2.4amp output for universal any device and even tablet could charge off it as well.
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Did you read what I wrote? I specifically need one with a low amp second output as my electronic cigarette will not tolerate two amps.

robl45 said:
Did you read what I wrote? I specifically need one with a low amp second output as my electronic cigarette will not tolerate two amps.
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Reason why I posted it, having read very well the op, I was having same issue and got this one which surprisingly works in my car.

I have the same one and it works without any problems. Perhaps you (OP) could reply in a better way instead of being snippy, he really did give you a good suggestion of what to get.
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wadamean said:
Get this one. Very good. Quick charge 2.0 on one then the other slot provides 2.4amp output for universal any device and even tablet could charge off it as well.
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howdyace said:
I have the same one and it works without any problems. Perhaps you (OP) could reply in a better way instead of being snippy, he really did give you a good suggestion of what to get.
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I'm sure it does work great, but i posted because I have a specific need and was hoping someone might know of a charger that could fill that need.

You won't find one. If it has QC , it will output more then 1a.
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Look at Anker products, I have their "smart" charger. It adjusts to what is needed and supports quick change.

Regardless of smart or not, the device requiring the power will dictate how much amperage it draws unless charger or device is faulty up to the maximum available via the charger. Perhaps your ecig is very basic and is really meant to be used with a pc usb that doesn't supply more than 500mA and doesn't have the ic circuitry to cut and control it's own intake..
Like it has been mentioned for a charger to supply qc 2.0 it has to be rated at 1.8mA minimum, so most will be 2mA~
I spend a lot of time looking at chargers and havent seen any single that meets your requirements. I'd suggest getting a socket splitter and using two small chargers. One older 500-900mA and another qc 2.0.

get this one... 2.1 and 1A ports..

I wouldn't recommend anything but the cars port for the cig lighter.
Reason is, anything else that you plug that lighter into will be made partially out of plastic and will more than likely melt as the lighter heats up.

OP needs a lower output ( 1 Amp-500mA) to charge an electronic cigarette/vape mod and is not using the actual cigarette lighter. Honestly I would just advise that you remove the battery from your mod to charge because typically when mods fail it is either because a battery is being over-discharged (user error or mechanical short) or the IC circuitry fails causing the battery to vent. Charging your IMR batts in a dedicated charger tends to promote better daily use and overall extended life cycle. If you are still limited to keeping the battery installed in your mod while charging, is QC absolutely necessary? I personally have not ran into an issue topping off using a standard charger while driving.
EDIT: I thought the flux capacitor was a joke but looked it up and it actually fits your needs..
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Car charger 650mA

sorry for English not perfect. I am translating with google.
I have a car charger that marks OUTPUT 5V --- 650mA (max)
if i use this charger with the nexus one I run the risk of ruining the battery?
Or can I use it safely?
I think you will be alright in terms of damage, but you may want to look at a 1a charger or like a 900ma charger so that when you are using the GPS and all of that it can continue to charge instead of not being able to keep up with the draw from the device(what I am thinking will happen with the power output from the charger you mentioned.
I can try and better explain if I was too confusing, hope this helps
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Where have you guys been able to find an adequate charger for GPS and normal phone use? Ive had trouble with this.
manual, in specification, is written:
Charges at 480mA from USB, at 980mA from supplied charger
What does this mean?
So my 680mA working? or not?
It will charge. Just slowly. And if you are using gps or streaming audio it may not keep up.
Enndr said:
Where have you guys been able to find an adequate charger for GPS and normal phone use? Ive had trouble with this.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=666482
try nokia dc-10 1200 mah - can't beat that. Little on the expensive side but is retractable and looks great
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Dual-Charger-iPod-Black/dp/B001FB578I
the "quickcharge" port on it is 1a, the regular is 500mA.
--Daniel
thepawn said:
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Dual-Charger-iPod-Black/dp/B001FB578I
the "quickcharge" port on it is 1a, the regular is 500mA.
--Daniel
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Hope it works better than the Belkin "Quick Charge" USB car charger my wife has for her iPhone, I don't get a quick charge on it on my Nexus One. Middle pins aren't shorted I presume.

[Q] Wireless Charging + Daydream Bizarre Performance

This is my first experience with wireless charging so I'm probably missing the obvious here so please, anybody, point that out.
I'm newly using a wireless charger with my N5 & performance just doesn't make any sense to me. It's the Korean/Chinese knock-off of the N4 Orb which others on XDA have used successfully. On basic charging it does work but I can't make any sense of these numbers:
Charging I get roughly 10% per hour -- not great, but okay for bedside/overnight.
Charging with daydream on (Dashclock) on I get a loss of roughly 10% per hour! Yes, the phone keeps indicating it is charging in spite of this heavy drain.
But sometimes daydream just turns off & it returns to charging -- this seems to happen if I start off with the phone (mostly) charged. For the most part though, if I leave the phone on the charger overnight with daydream enabled I'll wake to a nearly empty battery.
As I said, these numbers make no sense to me at all. Part of the problem may be the power source for the orb - it's only 1A but even if it's underpowered I can't see the drop from +10% to -10% /hour.
Second part of my query -- does anyone know if it would be effective (and safe!) to feed 1.2A to the orb & maybe get faster charge. Or maybe that would be enough to keep up with the Daydream drain?
FWIW the the USB charger (1.2A) is very fast, I get better than 1% per minute -- unaffected by Daydream.
im using this and mine gets full charge within 1 and half hours
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10% per hour? Something's wrong. A wireless charger shouldn't take much longer than wired.
It's possible your adapter is a dud. Try using the 1.2a adapter, it'll be fine. If it still isn't faster, you might have a bad charger.
Also, if it came with a USB cable, don't use it. The wires are too small to carry a reasonable amount of current.
NotFromMountainView said:
This is my first experience with wireless charging so I'm probably missing the obvious here so please, anybody, point that out.
I'm newly using a wireless charger with my N5 & performance just doesn't make any sense to me. It's the Korean/Chinese knock-off of the N4 Orb which others on XDA have used successfully. On basic charging it does work but I can't make any sense of these numbers:
Charging I get roughly 10% per hour -- not great, but okay for bedside/overnight.
Charging with daydream on (Dashclock) on I get a loss of roughly 10% per hour! Yes, the phone keeps indicating it is charging in spite of this heavy drain.
But sometimes daydream just turns off & it returns to charging -- this seems to happen if I start off with the phone (mostly) charged. For the most part though, if I leave the phone on the charger overnight with daydream enabled I'll wake to a nearly empty battery.
As I said, these numbers make no sense to me at all. Part of the problem may be the power source for the orb - it's only 1A but even if it's underpowered I can't see the drop from +10% to -10% /hour.
Second part of my query -- does anyone know if it would be effective (and safe!) to feed 1.2A to the orb & maybe get faster charge. Or maybe that would be enough to keep up with the Daydream drain?
FWIW the the USB charger (1.2A) is very fast, I get better than 1% per minute -- unaffected by Daydream.
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So I'm using DashClock also and when it doesn't crash, my phone will charge just fine. Seems like about 3 hours total with daydream on, and about 2 hours with it off just regular charging. Here's my charger: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DOW1RD0/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1. Seems like you have a defective charger but it is a really weird situation.
Thanks guys, the jump to 1.2A made a world of difference! It still seems strange, but I guess there's a minimum threshold for the phone to properly charge. (I am really guessing!) Plugging the OEM charger into my qi orb I finally get a positive charge with daydream -- not fast, but good enough to wake with a charged phone! Without daydream I just got about 36% in the past hour.
A quick scan of eBay and the only 1.2A USB supplies I can find are refurbished LG & cost as much as the full qi orb! (from US with crazy shipping costs on these - I'm in Canada) But there are lots of 1.5A blocks, cheap (and free shipping from China). So... do you think it would be safe to try the 1.5A? According to Play the Google qi comes with a 1.8A supply but I have no idea how much the pad modulates the power or if that is all in the phone itself. It would be nice to have fast wireless charging, but with the dramatic jump with just the .2A increase I may be looking at something too powerful.
My concerns are (in order) 1. Don't want to fry the phone!
2. Don't want to burn down my apartment!
3. Would rather not trash the orb. The orb was inexpensive so I'm willing to gamble on point # 3.
Advice / assurances / suggestions? Please.
Mr. Sprinkles said:
Also, if it came with a USB cable, don't use it. The wires are too small to carry a reasonable amount of current.
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I assume you mean USB out from PC since OEM charger is USB and orb power supply is USB as well. Point taken on PC charging though.
NotFromMountainView said:
Thanks guys, the jump to 1.2A made a world of difference! It still seems strange, but I guess there's a minimum threshold for the phone to properly charge. (I am really guessing!) Plugging the OEM charger into my qi orb I finally get a positive charge with daydream -- not fast, but good enough to wake with a charged phone! Without daydream I just got about 36% in the past hour.
A quick scan of eBay and the only 1.2A USB supplies I can find are refurbished LG & cost as much as the full qi orb! (from US with crazy shipping costs on these - I'm in Canada) But there are lots of 1.5A blocks, cheap (and free shipping from China). So... do you think it would be safe to try the 1.5A? According to Play the Google qi comes with a 1.8A supply but I have no idea how much the pad modulates the power or if that is all in the phone itself. It would be nice to have fast wireless charging, but with the dramatic jump with just the .2A increase I may be looking at something too powerful.
My concerns are (in order) 1. Don't want to fry the phone!
2. Don't want to burn down my apartment!
3. Would rather not trash the orb. The orb was inexpensive so I'm willing to gamble on point # 3.
Advice / assurances / suggestions? Please.
I assume you mean USB out from PC since OEM charger is USB and orb power supply is USB as well. Point taken on PC charging though.
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The official orb charger comes with a 1.8a brick. You should be fine.
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NotFromMountainView said:
Thanks guys, the jump to 1.2A made a world of difference! [...] you mean USB out from PC since OEM charger is USB and orb power supply is USB as well. Point taken on PC charging though.
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I mean if your orb uses a USB cable and came with one, don't use the cable it came with. They're often very cheap and add a lot of resistance which will increase charge time.
It wasn't the step up to 1.2A that made a world of difference, it's using a quality adapter that made the difference. Your 1A adapter must have been faulty or grossly overrated. Sounds like it was putting out less than 500mA.
As for a higher amperage power supply somehow damaging things? Not possible. The circuitry in the wireless charger is only going to use what it needs, you could hook it up to a 50A power supply and it'll still draw around 1A. The N5 is also input current limited to 1.2A, so using a crazy high amperage adapter won't have much benefit anyway.
Still, not a bad idea to get a 1.5A - 2A adapter to compensate for whatever current the wireless charger itself uses. This is probably why the official one includes a 1.8A adapter.
Mr. Sprinkles said:
10% per hour? Something's wrong. A wireless charger shouldn't take much longer than wired.
It's possible your adapter is a dud. Try using the 1.2a adapter, it'll be fine. If it still isn't faster, you might have a bad charger.
Also, if it came with a USB cable, don't use it. The wires are too small to carry a reasonable amount of current.
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I mean if your orb uses a USB cable and came with one, don't use the cable it came with. They're often very cheap and add a lot of resistance which will increase charge time.
It wasn't the step up to 1.2A that made a world of difference, it's using a quality adapter that made the difference. Your 1A adapter must have been faulty or grossly overrated. Sounds like it was putting out less than 500mA.
As for a higher amperage power supply somehow damaging things? Not possible. The circuitry in the wireless charger is only going to use what it needs, you could hook it up to a 50A power supply and it'll still draw around 1A. The N5 is also input current limited to 1.2A, so using a crazy high amperage adapter won't have much benefit anyway.
Still, not a bad idea to get a 1.5A - 2A adapter to compensate for whatever current the wireless charger itself uses. This is probably why the official one includes a 1.8A adapter.
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El Daddy & Mr. Sprinkles thanks, that's just the type of reassurance I needed!
just use the 2,1A amazon kindle charger with your orb... its cheap, safe and wont fry your phone
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Mr. Sprinkles said:
I mean if your orb uses a USB cable and came with one, don't use the cable it came with. They're often very cheap and add a lot of resistance which will increase charge time.
It wasn't the step up to 1.2A that made a world of difference, it's using a quality adapter that made the difference. Your 1A adapter must have been faulty or grossly overrated. Sounds like it was putting out less than 500mA.
As for a higher amperage power supply somehow damaging things? Not possible. The circuitry in the wireless charger is only going to use what it needs, you could hook it up to a 50A power supply and it'll still draw around 1A. The N5 is also input current limited to 1.2A, so using a crazy high amperage adapter won't have much benefit anyway.
Still, not a bad idea to get a 1.5A - 2A adapter to compensate for whatever current the wireless charger itself uses. This is probably why the official one includes a 1.8A adapter.
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So from what I heard wireless charging, like a pogo plug can charge at a higher rate than the micro USB port in some devices (I've heard pogo plug can go up to 2.5A where the micro USB in that device is limited to 1.8A). So I'm wondering as these qi chargers get better, will this also be true. Mine is a 1A but seems like it charges around .8A so it's maxed out. I guess this also raises the question as to how fast is good for a battery also.
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How to mod charging cable for fast charge?

Hi!
Have 3A charger for car (like this) and i want to get maximum power and charging speed. As i know, if i use simple usb cable, phone will get only 500mA.
How to force it to use more power? Or it use it by default, without any mods?
Found this mod for HTC, and this for Nexus 7, does it will work?
pokatusher said:
Hi!
Have 3A charger for car (like this) and i want to get maximum power and charging speed. As i know, if i use simple usb cable, phone will get only 500mA.
How to force it to use more power? Or it use it by default, without any mods?
Found this mod for HTC, and this for Nexus 7, does it will work?
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I think the mod (shorting the data lines) should work, but just make sure that the charger is actually capable of delivering the right amperage.
whoa, u really wanna do that, coz the wont hold for a long time, 3A really a big current
syahazu said:
whoa, u really wanna do that, coz the wont hold for a long time, 3A really a big current
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As of my understanding you are trying to say that charging the battery at 3A would give shorter batterylife.
Would you kindly post in a way readable for humans to make your meaning clear, as your post as quoted here was a struggle to understand.
And for complying to USB standards the device is probably able to output 2A on one of the ports and 1A on the other, totalling in a amperage of 3A. Now as I took a look at the adapter and it's specifications, it seems to me that it is just a 7805 voltage regulator in an enclosure, which I honestly wouldn't trust even a little bit.
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velihukka said:
it seems to me that it is just a 7805 voltage regulator in an enclosure, which I honestly wouldn't trust even a little bit.
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I'm not enough of a techie to confirm or deny if this would work, but I do agree with Velihukka... I got a bad feeling about this...
You do realise to get thing working properly you'd need to wire a new 12V circuit into your car's switchbox right? You don't want to be pulling an extra 3A out of a random 12V line in your car, a lot of your internal electrics are only running 10A fuses.
If you don't smoke, you could use the line powering your cigarette lighter... but then that would beg the question, why not just use a 12V USB adaptor that can output 3A and short the data terminals?
sorry 4 my english mate, im still improving it.. yup, i think that can do, but depends on you... i would rather use 2a current output charger... i hope my batttery would last longer lifetime when i used it
You should simply go for this
http://www.belkin.com/in/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=735847
It will cost you around 400 bucks for 2.1 Amp socket in your local car accessories market
And then use your data cable to charge your phone...
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pokatusher said:
Hi!
Have 3A charger for car (like this) and i want to get maximum power and charging speed. As i know, if i use simple usb cable, phone will get only 500mA.
How to force it to use more power? Or it use it by default, without any mods?
Found this mod for HTC, and this for Nexus 7, does it will work?
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It wont work at all for xperia z. i am an hardware tester and i am sure any mods to hack battery life or charging it fast will destroy your battery.
You cannot force more power into the battery. The phone has circuitry that regulates the charging current, which will have upper and lower limits. If that upper limit is say 2A, it doesn't matter if you plug into a 2A power supply or a 50A supply, it will still only draw 2A.
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The phones circuitry charges the phone by 500mAh by unnamed or unknown usb cable. when you plug it to a sony cable it will give you "fast charge" so it charges with 900-1000mAh. So yeah, there is something in the cable that makes it different from the other ones.
Try it with your sony cable and you get max amperage, and yeah no point forcing a million amps to it when the phone just takes what it needs.
pokatusher said:
Hi!
Have 3A charger for car (like this) and i want to get maximum power and charging speed. As i know, if i use simple usb cable, phone will get only 500mA.
How to force it to use more power? Or it use it by default, without any mods?
Found this mod for HTC, and this for Nexus 7, does it will work?
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Xz has battery monitor and its the thing that none can bypass. Also everytime the device heats up the amperage going in the battery gets more limited or even depleting...
Defects or flaw I'm not sure, but thats just it with Xz

[Q] sm-p905 Charging with non genuine charger

Gday All,
I realise that this topic has been mentioned in a few threads, but from what I could find, there is no definiteve fix.
Is there a way to disable this so that a non-genuine charger will work once the screen turns off, or if I was to root the device, is there then a way to do it.
Please dont flame me, I'm a total newb to android, and I dont mind admitting that.
Bit dissapointed that Samsung has sunk to this.
TIA!
Not sure what issues you are having but I have been using a few different chargers without issue. Which exact charging method are you trying to use (cable type, charger type, charger rated output voltage and amperage)?
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The problem isn't that the charger is 3rd party.
The problem is that the device requires a 5.1V 2A charger or higher.
Anything lower than that is simply not powerful enough. You can find these specs in small lettering on the charger. Most cheap 3rd party launchers are 5V 1A.
CrazyManR32 said:
Gday All,
I realise that this topic has been mentioned in a few threads, but from what I could find, there is no definiteve fix.
Is there a way to disable this so that a non-genuine charger will work once the screen turns off, or if I was to root the device, is there then a way to do it.
Please dont flame me, I'm a total newb to android, and I dont mind admitting that.
Bit dissapointed that Samsung has sunk to this.
TIA!
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I was one of the ones having problems with it needing to have the screen on to charge. It was a problem with the charger (yes, it was marked as a high amperage charger), changed to a different one (Anker 40W 5 port) and it's working fine.
ericbergan said:
I was one of the ones having problems with it needing to have the screen on to charge. It was a problem with the charger (yes, it was marked as a high amperage charger), changed to a different one (Anker 40W 5 port) and it's working fine.
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Huge second on the Anker. I love that charger by the way. With various devices I would get irritated with some refusing to charge on certain chargers (my BlackBerry Bold in particular). I've since switched to the Anker 5 port 40 Watt and no longer worry about which cable I'm reaching for. Every device gets the power it needs with no fuss.
muzzy996 said:
Not sure what issues you are having but I have been using a few different chargers without issue. Which exact charging method are you trying to use (cable type, charger type, charger rated output voltage and amperage)?
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Initially i was using a belkin 2 port, 2.1amp per port charger, which would start charging but stop once the screen was off.
ShadowLea said:
The problem isn't that the charger is 3rd party.
The problem is that the device requires a 5.1V 2A charger or higher.
Anything lower than that is simply not powerful enough. You can find these specs in small lettering on the charger. Most cheap 3rd party launchers are 5V 1A.
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This seems logical, but it does work when i use the genuine charger from my sgs3 which is a 5vdc 1a charger. Takes all night to charge, but charges non the less.
ericbergan said:
I was one of the ones having problems with it needing to have the screen on to charge. It was a problem with the charger (yes, it was marked as a high amperage charger), changed to a different one (Anker 40W 5 port) and it's working fine.
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Thanks for the info mate, ill see if i can get hold of one of these in australia, that being said, it appears that these are also 5v rather then the 5.3?
CrazyManR32 said:
This seems logical, but it does work when i use the genuine charger from my sgs3 which is a 5vdc 1a charger. Takes all night to charge, but charges non the less.
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That's because the retention rate of the S3's charger is higher than that of a generic cheap 3rd party one. Where the S3 charger actually delivers 0.8-1A, the cheaper ones usually average around 0.5A.
This is why charging over a usb 2.0 port without any power boosts also (usually, there have been some exceptions) doesn't work.
I usually charge mine with my Note 3 or S5 charger, as the three are all the same charger.

Charging currents

How would I know what the max current is a device can support like an accessory? So for example, the stock charger that comes with the Plantronics Voyager Edge is only 500ma. What happens if I plug it into a Qualcomm QuickCharge 2.0 charger like what comes with the S6? Will it blow up? Regulate down and charge normally? Charge rapidly?
km8j said:
How would I know what the max current is a device can support like an accessory? So for example, the stock charger that comes with the Plantronics Voyager Edge is only 500ma. What happens if I plug it into a Qualcomm QuickCharge 2.0 charger like what comes with the S6? Will it blow up? Regulate down and charge normally? Charge rapidly?
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it will charge normally. it doesnt matter how big the output of the charger is. the phone will regulate it to only what it wants.
only time you will have an issue is if your charger output is too small. the phone will charge slow, and risk damage to the charger.
bweN diorD said:
it will charge normally. it doesnt matter how big the output of the charger is. the phone will regulate it to only what it wants.
only time you will have an issue is if your charger output is too small. the phone will charge slow, and risk damage to the charger.
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Does this also apply to the headset I mentioned? How would the current being too low damage the charger? USB ports and car charger are very low current in general
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km8j said:
Does this also apply to the headset I mentioned? How would the current being too low damage the charger? USB ports and car charger are very low current in general
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1. yes
2. i didnt say it would damage the charger, i said there is a risk of it. thats because if its too small, the charger is working at maximum all the time.
3. usb's are regulated, not maxing out potential. im guessing car chargers do the same, however im not sure why. likely has something to do with a safe level considering the fluctuation in input voltage from the battery.
Hmm... So what about using a non-QC 2.0 charger (such as some that Anker make) on devices that support QC 2.0? Is there some safety issue or will it just charge slightly slower?
km8j said:
Hmm... So what about using a non-QC 2.0 charger (such as some that Anker make) on devices that support QC 2.0? Is there some safety issue or will it just charge slightly slower?
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sorry, i dont know about those.
maybe you misunderstood before, i cant think of any common instance where there would be a safety issue.
as unlikely as it is that you will ever burn up a charger (or device for that matter), the only thing that will happen is some small electronic parts will go bad. not some huge fire or whatever. sure on the device there could be a nice exploding fire, but there about always from defect and also extremely rare. it happens maybe 1 or 2 times a year, and its gets posted everywhere, then people think its an epidemic and start asking all these unnecessary questions. im sure the yearly device sales are in the hundreds of millions work wide. if a couple a year blow up, well s happens.

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