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[Q] HTC one X for $230 a good deal from newegg?

Newegg has the HTC ONE X for $230.
is that even worth buying at this point?
heres the link
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875502142
Thanks in advance!
ill give thanks to all relevant answers!

I still think this phone is fantastic. It could use a little more RAM perhaps but in everyday situations I can't fault it.
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Agree w/ Tim here, but for that price you can go to swappa and get a nice Nexus 4. Same screen res, camera (even though ours is better), and screen size. Also, the n4 is a little more future proof w/ 2 gigs of ram and a s4pro chipset.

4ty-phive said:
but for that price you can go to swappa and get a nice Nexus 4. Same screen res, camera (even though ours is better), and screen size. Also, the n4 is a little more future proof w/ 2 gigs of ram and a s4pro chipset.
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Sounds like you are comparing specs and not actual quality. Just because the screens have equal resolution, does not by any measure mean they will have the same image quality. HTC displays blow away LG any day. One X had the best display on any smartphone in its time, and probably only surpassed by the display on the One. In general, LG hardware is consistantly underwhelming. Folks comparing the One X to even the Nexus 5 have mentioned the One X has slightly better display, camera, and speaker; and that the N5 is only an upgrade in terms of the processor and RAM.
That said, whether the deal mentioned by the OP is a "good" one or not is completely subjective. Depends on your personal situation and expectations. If you are on a budget and not eligible for any type of carrier subsidy, the One X is still a decent phone for that price. On the other hand, in a few months it will be 2 years old (a long time in the smartphone world) and HTC (as well as Samsung) will likely be releasing their new flagship, 2 generations newer than the One X. Personally, I don't usually buy tech that is even 1 generation old, much less 2. But again, it depends on how much you are willing to spend on a device, and what you expect out of it.

Well, wouldn't your use of "quality" is also subjective? I mean I'm pretty sure there are people out there that would say the n4, sg3, or some other high-end device (at the time) has better "quality" than our phone. So, yes I did refer to specs because it's not subjective. The OP will have to consider the "quality" factor that you mentioned. However, the OP will also have to consider updates that may or may not come to the phone. HTC has already proven that our phone is not a priority any longer. So we have to depend on the community for said updates. Google, on the other hand, will still continue to update the n4 couple more iterations (I'm assuming here), hence why I used "future proof". Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on the "quality" of this phone. It's why I purchased it a little over a year ago.

Yeah, I've been looking for a reason to warrant spending the hundreds to upgrade this phone, but its proven fruitless .
With that given, I wouldn't buy it new now for $240. You can get the LG Optimus G 970's for less than that and they're quad core, with 2gb of ram and have expansion port.

its a gr8 phone if u can manage with stock android 4.2 sense 5 wch is really good...... thr is plenty of dev support for kitkat n ahead bt u cannot rely on future... for me its still better option than moto g r nexus 4 purely for its quality...

4ty-phive said:
Well, wouldn't your use of "quality" is also subjective? I mean I'm pretty sure there are people out there that would say the n4, sg3, or some other high-end device (at the time) has better "quality" than our phone. So, yes I did refer to specs because it's not subjective. The OP will have to consider the "quality" factor that you mentioned. However, the OP will also have to consider updates that may or may not come to the phone. HTC has already proven that our phone is not a priority any longer. So we have to depend on the community for said updates. Google, on the other hand, will still continue to update the n4 couple more iterations (I'm assuming here), hence why I used "future proof". Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on the "quality" of this phone. It's why I purchased it a little over a year ago.
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Is quality subjective? To some extent yes. But you can read in review after review that HTC's displays are superior to just about any in the industry. Some might find the over saturated colors on the Samsung OLED screens to be more to their liking. But LG displays, I don't think you will find too many folks that think they are better than HTC.
Its just a peeve of mine when consumers fall for the marketing gimmick of touting nearly meaningless specs/stats. MPs on a camera and resolution on a screen do not in any way guarantee that the actual image quality is good. Things often sound great on paper, and less so in real life. And while the quality is somewhat not quantifiable, it is also not always completely subjective.

OK. To the OP, I apologize for getting off track. I will answer your question directly: no, I don't think spending $230 on this phone is a good idea. I wouldn't pay more than $160 brand new. There are better alternatives out there for the money. You should consider your what you want out of your perspective device and consider your options.

Will you be getting the Nexus 5 2015?

http://mobilesyrup.com/2015/05/25/go...nes-this-fall/
The site is reporting that Google will follow up the Nexus 5 with another LG-built smartphone, a 5.2-inch device dubbed ‘Angler’. The smartphone is expected to be powered by a Snapdragon 808 chip and a 2,700mAh battery, though both of those details could change. The idea is to recreate the success of the Nexus 5 by releasing Angler at the $350-$400 price point.

The device will presumably be officially announced tomorrow at the I/O conference, so I'm saving my opinion until then : )

Depends on the size. If it really is modeled after the G4 I am undecided. The G4 is a big phone. I'd have to play with one.

Would love to see a bigger battery in the new 5!

My next phone will be dual-SIM and waterproof. If this phone fulfills these requirements then yes, I could consider it.
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will definitely consider if the overall size remains more or less the same as n5..

Went from nexus 5 to one plus one. Waited until they announced the nexus 6 before I made that choice and I'm glad I did. I'm interested in the 5.2 size but the price is a big factor to me.

At this point it would need to offer seriously better battery life for me to consider it. Spec wise the Nexus 5 is still powerful enough and features I'd want like stereo speaker there is a Nexus 5 mod to replicate; and fully functioning Ambient display is available on CM CAF. I don't care about a camera, speaker, or display upgrade as the Nexus 5 is more than fine for me. I have a launch week device that is is mint condition minus a hairline crack by the SIM slot and I just put in a brand new OEM battery that was manufactured this January so I'm good for a while.

AndrasLOHF said:
At this point it would need to offer seriously better battery life for me to consider it. Spec wise the Nexus 5 is still powerful enough and features I'd want like stereo speaker there is a Nexus 5 mod to replicate; and fully functioning Ambient display is available on CM CAF. I don't care about a camera, speaker, or display upgrade as the Nexus 5 is more than fine for me. I have a launch week device that is is mint condition minus a hairline crack by the SIM slot and I just put in a brand new OEM battery that was manufactured this January so I'm good for a while.
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+1. Bigger battery such as g2's 3000mah would be awesome

Damn, no announcement today

I will get one if i have 350€ left over. Probably wont happen, as I save for a motorcycle this summer. Maybe the Nexus 2016 or something next, altough its more of a "wanting" thing than a "needing".
Oh and if you all are so desperate for a battery only, you can get a Polarcell 2450 mah for way to much money (140€ in europe, simular $) or a bigger back with a big battery like 3800mah for 20€ or 20$.

xXDanielHDXx said:
I will get one if i have 350€ left over. Probably wont happen, as I save for a motorcycle this summer. Maybe the Nexus 2016 or something next, altough its more of a "wanting" thing than a "needing".
Oh and if you all are so desperate for a battery only, you can get a Polarcell 2450 mah for way to much money (140€ in europe, simular $) or a bigger back with a big battery like 3800mah for 20€ or 20$.
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How much SoT do users average with a polarcell

Nope, Project ARA if available.

beekay201 said:
Nope, Project ARA if available.
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When is the release date on that?

dicecuber said:
When is the release date on that?
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You will probably be sporting the equivalent of a Nexus One if you are still using a Nexus 5 and wait until that is released.

Nexus 5 + LG 2 Battery > Any phone
What would make a phone better?

sasoq said:
Nexus 5 + LG 2 Battery > Any phone
What would make a phone better?
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Better speakers, better camera, external SD......
It's a fine phone but to pretend it couldnt' be improved at all is a little silly.

if google change the camera app and improve the camera , yes i'll buy it why not ?

ali8383 said:
if google change the camera app and improve the camera , yes i'll buy it why not ?
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Android M seems to improve the camera, and it's only a matter of time before roms are released to make the experience on the nexus 5 even greater!
I worked for a well-known cell phone company, and let me just say the whole camera on the cellphone is just a gimmick companies use for buyers to buy their phones every year, along with other features but camera being near the top. It's the easiest way to attract the buyer. Seriously.
Expecting a great quality picture from a tiny micro camera is unrealistic. My advice for anyone who reads this, just use the phone as it's meant to be used and not for the gimmicks.

sasoq said:
I worked for a well-known cell phone company, and let me just say the whole camera on the cellphone is just a gimmick companies use for buyers to buy their phones every year, along with other features but camera being near the top. It's the easiest way to attract the buyer. Seriously.
Expecting a great quality picture from a tiny micro camera is unrealistic. My advice for anyone who reads this, just use the phone as it's meant to be used and not for the gimmicks.
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This is silly. Everything a cell phone manufacturer puts in a phone is to attract a buyer, regardless if you label it as "gimmick." It's a useful feature that the vast majority of smartphone owners use regularly. Gimmicks are generally just to suck people in and then they're forgotten. It's pretty obvious if you've ever owned more than one phone that picture quality can vary wildly, and truly be acceptable for normal day-to-day use as a camera in most cases.

What do you think of the A9?

I think it's got a cute camera, but all around it just... sucks. The battery is even worse than my Nexus 5, and the phone is just ugly, especially in the front, in my opinion.

Actually I like the design much better than the M9, not too worried about the battery, and it seems HTC has finally overcome it's greatest flaw in its camera.

Wish it has a dual SIM function (it's important in SE Asia and developing countries) and waterproof.
Otherwise, it's pretty nice.

I just can't believe they are still plastering a fugly logo on the front taking up valuable screen real-estate. I'll never buy another HTC as long as they keep doing that. At the very least they got rid of the "hardware" buttons... except then they replaced it with a larger hardware button copying samsung and apple. The waste of space is just terrible. Nexus 6 has slightly more than half an inch in top/bottom bezeling combined while these things look like they are rocking 1.5 inches or more!
Not to mention it's looks like a sad copy attempt at newer samsung/iphone styles - hardly unique at all. I don't think the copy-cat ploy is going to work for the third guy doing it. I'd bet money that this is yet another flop.
http://www.xda-developers.com/the-a9-is-not-the-hero-htc-needs-nor-the-one-it-deserves/

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I just can't believe they are still plastering a fugly logo on the front taking up valuable screen real-estate. I'll never buy another HTC as long as they keep doing that. At the very least they got rid of the "hardware" buttons... except then they replaced it with a larger hardware button copying samsung and apple. The waste of space is just terrible. Nexus 6 has slightly more than half an inch in top/bottom bezeling combined while these things look like they are rocking 1.5 inches or more!
Not to mention it's looks like a sad copy attempt at newer samsung/iphone styles - hardly unique at all. I don't think the copy-cat ploy is going to work for the third guy doing it. I'd bet money that this is yet another flop.
http://www.xda-developers.com/the-a9-is-not-the-hero-htc-needs-nor-the-one-it-deserves/
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I don't think the design is necessarily a bad thing. It may be emulating Apple, but it's still metal and it will appeal to quite a number of people, if not for the design then for the build quality alone. With that being said, the battery is most likely gonna drag the phone down, unless they can do what the Moto G is doing with their battery, which by the way is larger than the A9.
Also, I hope there are capacitative back and recent apps buttons to complement the physical home button. Otherwise, the home button kinda becomes redundant, even with a fingerprint scanner, because you have the full set of controls on the screen right above the home button.

Using HTC 8 years now but couldn't find new model for me. Like the design but inside phone is not what you expecting from phones these days.
Just to hang for time that HTC makes serious phone I switched to OnePlus 2.

HTC A9
Very bad design, I think they need to change thier concept designer and CEO then they try to find another inspiration like One M7 & 8 and I think they will not be able to do that until they think out of Apple hater Box

bennaye said:
I don't think the design is necessarily a bad thing. It may be emulating Apple, but it's still metal and it will appeal to quite a number of people, if not for the design then for the build quality alone. With that being said, the battery is most likely gonna drag the phone down, unless they can do what the Moto G is doing with their battery, which by the way is larger than the A9.
Also, I hope there are capacitive back and recent apps buttons to complement the physical home button. Otherwise, the home button kinda becomes redundant, even with a fingerprint scanner, because you have the full set of controls on the screen right above the home button.
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Bad? nah. Sad? I think so. Who needs more of the same thing? It's because they are failing that they decided to copy what they thought would be a safe bet. Personally I'm not even too bothered by the small battery as I pretty much always keep my phones around 50% and up as wherever I am there is usually a place to charge them. Fast charging will make that even more feasible. (Probably their logic)
In my opinion, the fingerprint scanner should be on the back of every phone, like many are already doing, not the front. Or even on the side makes more sense. It should be in a place that is easy to access with only one hand. The bottom of the front of the phone makes it so you have to support it with the other hand while swiping to do it comfortably.
My point is that any capacitive/hardware buttons that can be done in software are redundant and they are especially atrocious when taking up screen real estate. When done in software, the screen can be 1/3 inch to 1/2 inch larger.
When I got my One m7 way back, I thought it was awesome and compared to what was out there, it was. That is until other phones came out that were the same size but had smaller bezels, didn't waste space with a giant logo and capacitive buttons. A clear successor in design IMO.
Maybe it's just me but since everyone can do nice specs, a decision on a phone comes down to smaller things and for me, screen size/quality is one of the most important. The way the front of the phone looks is important, and how well utilized the space is is important. HTC has always done a horrible job utilizing space well so far as I've seen.

I hate it. The design is fine but why? Don't copy Apple just to get a few new users to switch. Stick with the M8 style design with some differences. Bezeless? The specs are not that great. They even removed boomsound wtf. (unless it is considered a mid range phone).
They need to spend some money and get ultra specs. They need a 4k screen, ultra boomsound speakers that are really loud with a pop out speaker like the old HTC Surround while keeping it a thin phone, Snapdragon 820 with 2 gh and 3-4 gigs of ram, a 25 ultra pixel rear camera with Nikon DLSR sensors to bring the ultimate in picture taking and making it the best camera phone ever even better than some stand alones, 6 ultra pixel front facing cam, 3500 MaH battery. Now if they did that, I'd buy that in a heart beat or are these features too unrealistic?
HTC needs to realize people care about what is written on the specs sheet next to the phone in a phone store. People see low numbers (even though the processor may optimize it to make the low numbers feel like higer for example battery MaH) they will go to another phone that has higher numbers on the specs sheet.

I just really hope they change their mind about their design philosophy to me its not a good change, but I applaud the hardware and the fact they have marshmellow running on it already

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I hate it. The design is fine but why? Don't copy Apple just to get a few new users to switch. Stick with the M8 style design with some differences. Bezeless? The specs are not that great. They even removed boomsound wtf. (unless it is considered a mid range phone).
They need to spend some money and get ultra specs. They need a 4k screen, ultra boomsound speakers that are really loud with a pop out speaker like the old HTC Surround while keeping it a thin phone, Snapdragon 820 with 2 gh and 3-4 gigs of ram, a 25 ultra pixel rear camera with Nikon DLSR sensors to bring the ultimate in picture taking and making it the best camera phone ever even better than some stand alones, 6 ultra pixel front facing cam, 3500 MaH battery. Now if they did that, I'd buy that in a heart beat or are these features too unrealistic?
HTC needs to realize people care about what is written on the specs sheet next to the phone in a phone store. People see low numbers (even though the processor may optimize it to make the low numbers feel like higer for example battery MaH) they will go to another phone that has higher numbers on the specs sheet.
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I don't agree with you on this, HTC hasn't copied from Apple. But it is other way round.

This is the design that HTC has pioneered and continued to evolve. There is a reason why iPhones and Samsung devices now look like they do, because HTC has a superior design. They always seem to fall short when it comes to specs and marketing.

Xenosis said:
My point is that any capacitive/hardware buttons that can be done in software are redundant and they are especially atrocious when taking up screen real estate. When done in software, the screen can be 1/3 inch to 1/2 inch larger.
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My point was that since HTC already went with a physical home button at the front which doubles as a fingerprint scanner, they might as well include the other capacitive buttons. Having just one button on the front seems kinda pointless. But I do agree that the fingerprint sensor should be on the side or on the back.

MsEvyLynch said:
I hate it. The design is fine but why? Don't copy Apple just to get a few new users to switch. Stick with the M8 style design with some differences. Bezeless? The specs are not that great. They even removed boomsound wtf. (unless it is considered a mid range phone).
They need to spend some money and get ultra specs. They need a 4k screen, ultra boomsound speakers that are really loud with a pop out speaker like the old HTC Surround while keeping it a thin phone, Snapdragon 820 with 2 gh and 3-4 gigs of ram, a 25 ultra pixel rear camera with Nikon DLSR sensors to bring the ultimate in picture taking and making it the best camera phone ever even better than some stand alones, 6 ultra pixel front facing cam, 3500 MaH battery. Now if they did that, I'd buy that in a heart beat or are these features too unrealistic?
HTC needs to realize people care about what is written on the specs sheet next to the phone in a phone store. People see low numbers (even though the processor may optimize it to make the low numbers feel like higer for example battery MaH) they will go to another phone that has higher numbers on the specs sheet.
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Dude, first of all, anything that has to do with Nikon sucks. Second of all, complaining like that just makes you look bad.

herzig.grant said:
Dude, first of all, anything that has to do with Nikon sucks. Second of all, complaining like that just makes you look bad.
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I'm not complaining, I'm just stating what HTC needs to do to get back where they need to be. Going this route is just making it worse for them.

Honestly I think it is a dumb a** phone and it seems like HTC is in self destruct mode

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I'm not complaining, I'm just stating what HTC needs to do to get back where they need to be. Going this route is just making it worse for them.
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Yeah you have a point.

I've used HTC phones basically for almost every upgrade I had. I found their build and quality to always be top notch. What I liked about HTC is that you can almost always unlock the bootloader and go the custom rom route and the boomsound speakers. The One A9 ditched everything to try to get more people to like HTC. What I want is a HTC phone with top notch specs 5.1-5.5" screen, I could care less about finger print scanning but sure whynot, a nice shooter with OIS and a competitive price point and I think they should be able to get back. Sense skin on the HTC is what makes the experience unique.

nice especially the design though I'm not impressed with its built and other stuff. sticking with the N5 ndysf

Best thing about HTC these days is still Sense interface. Stock android, Samsung etc...OS/look/feel is garbage. I remember when I first got the Nexus, the one with the led trackball..years ago. I almost dumped that thing in 1 day until I found the ability to get an updated Rom with better apps/design and look/feel of the phone. HTC was a saving grace. Get rid of Blinkfeed, keep the clean/polished apps of Sense and interface...and put some real serious hardware in the phone.
Only good thing about this is going to be marshmellow/developers and the ability to have all carriers supported and unlocking out of the box in the US. Otherwise, from the forums, you can see how support of the M9 and later variants have decreased over the years.
Don't know. Maybe sell the M9 and try the A9...I don't do much with my phone, and the little I do, I really need a better polished interface that Apple/MS have done well for years versus the Android.
Shoot, been playing with Candy 5 on my M9 which is pretty close to Marshmellow and standard Android, what a piece of garbage interface/apps they still produce Google....pretty pathetic considering.
Unfortunately, I'm on Verizon for the next year...likely jump ship in 14 months and go back to something like ATT/Cricket and universal/GSM phones. Good thing my wife/kids have iPhones that will work on any network already. Just need to dump my VZW M9 and move on with my life...gheez. The mobile/cell phone business is really a joke with many manufacturers, such a cluster these days and so many options, most Android.

Moto X Pure/Style vs Google Pixel Phone XL

So we had a nice discussion last year, comparing the Pure/Style against Google's 6P. Now, since the Google Pixel Phone XL has been announced. Let's discuss, compare and chat about next moves.
Although I've had my MXPE long enough to want something new. I'm not changing this year. The Pixel Phone pricing is insane. Maybe next year. But Google wants to have an iPhone and I didn't go Android to get into iPhone pricing, or at least not a year after buying a MXPE.
The Pixel Phone camera is awesome, unlimited native file storage is fantastic, the image stabilization is incredible. And I'm sure, it will be even better, next year :laugh: . Direct quick updates from Google is very nice too.
The MXPE does have expandable storage, which the Pixel Phone does not have :good: . I also enjoy Moto Actions.
So take the poll and let's chat.

I'll vote stay - consider the fact that
1. The Pixel XL is ridiculously expensive (649 for the smaller Pixel - and it's even painful to see that similar Android flagships such as the S7/Edge/V20/10/Axon 7/OP3 are cheaper and better to begin with)
2. 32GB non-expandable storage
3. No waterproofing
4. No front facing stereo speakers
5. No front facing flash (minor issue TBH)
6. Huge bezels in the front of the screen
The only redeeming part was the camera (which may be/maybe not better than the S7).
...and Verizon Exclusive? (That was the worst part of all)
I'm an avid Google user - but looks like Google has made a huge mistake so far.

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I'll vote stay - consider the fact that
1. The Pixel XL is ridiculously expensive (649 for the smaller Pixel - and it's even painful to see that similar Android flagships such as the S7/Edge/V20/10/Axon 7/OP3 are cheaper and better to begin with)
2. 32GB non-expandable storage
3. No waterproofing
4. No front facing stereo speakers
5. No front facing flash (minor issue TBH)
6. Huge bezels in the front of the screen
The only redeeming part was the camera (which may be/maybe not better than the S7).
...and Verizon Exclusive? (That was the worst part of all)
I'm an avid Google user - but looks like Google has made a huge mistake so far.
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Good points. Google is going to learn, the consumers for "their" products are not Apple or Samsung types. I thought they would have learned with the Pixel C, which is not flying off the shelves. But I suspect a more reasonably priced phone come 2017.
And the MXPE has Moto Display .

I read from phonearena that unlocked version will be available on Google Play Store...

I agree the specs are not that impressive but also how much more crazier can phone manufacturer's can get with spec wise what we need is a phone that doesn't cut ends like battery life or crappy camera or bad software and something that doesn't cost an arm and a leg we have so many good phones out there but always has something that's not so great if companies start listening to what the consumer wants and like and builds a phone from consumer perspective and not just trying to compete with other manufacturer's

iPhones hold their value. Android phones do not. In a year the Pixel will be available on Prime Day for $299 or so I suspect.

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iPhones hold their value. Android phones do not. In a year the Pixel will be available on Prime Day for $299 or so I suspect.
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Not exactly iphones are way behind in the game compared to android they just now started water proofing their phones and put dual front facing speakers android devices has had these for a while now and the battery life simply does not compare and price drops are actually a good selling point as well nobody wants to pay retail price for a a two year old device

Good for people who wait a year. Bad for people who buy at launch. I'm not going to argue tech, because frankly it's not what I was addressing.
What I'm saying is:
Buy and iphone and launch, resell a year later at 25% depreciation and get the new iPhone for a minimum out of pocket cost.
Buy a Pixel at launch resell a year later at 75% depreciation and pay for the new pixel with much more out of pocket cost.
I was going to maybe get the pixel, Why I've been holding off. I'm underwhelmed. I ordered a 32 GB 5X and will be giving my Moto X Pure to my girlfriend to replace her Nexus 4.

I'll keep my MXPE thru Nougat and then move on. I want to see how these Pixel Phones are received over the next few months.

I just priced a Pixel XL with equivalent size and storage to my MXPE. The device would cost $869.00 and then since I have MotoCare, it would cost an extra $99 for Google's coverage. $968 total. And then, the Google coverage has a $99 deductible if I need a replacement. Wow, that would be over $1K. I feel like I was hit with a lightening bolt, and I was just checking a scenario I have no intentions of doing .

Just saw a hands-on review and they showed the double-twist to launch the camera, that's one of the big feature for me. Cool, I didn't know they have it by default...

This was a really disappointing launch in my opinion, and I see no incentive to buy this phone at all.
-huge bezels
-no dual front facing speakers
-no expandable storage
-no removable battery
-locked bootloader
-only 2 years of software support
-iphone-esque copycat appearance
-ridiculous pricetag
For a phone that was supposedly google's proper answer to the iphone, it has quite a lot of drawbacks.

Let's not forget updates - it's even painful to see a lowly, nearly 2-year-old Galaxy A5 receiving Marshmallow (along with the latest security updates) faster than Google...
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HaggisIV said:
This was a really disappointing launch in my opinion, and I see no incentive to buy this phone at all.
-huge bezels
-no dual front facing speakers
-no expandable storage
-no removable battery
-locked bootloader
-only 2 years of software support
-iphone-esque copycat appearance
-ridiculous pricetag
For a phone that was supposedly google's proper answer to the iphone, it has quite a lot of drawbacks.
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Even funnier still Samsung (which gets a lot of flak from the Android community) did best (apart from exploding Note 7s) in the Android ecosystem so far... Heck their 'slow updates' are a thing of the past....
To add salt to the injury even a 3 year old+ Galaxy S4 has the September security update...

Looking at the spec comparison of the 2 devices on GSM Arena. The Pixel XL is not that far ahead of the MXPE, when you consider the price difference. Especially now, with the MXPE being on sale these days.
As much as I have said for years, "I'm getting a Nexus/Google Phone next..." It seems every time, a 3rd Party OEM comes with a great Android Device, that stalls me from going Nexus/Google. I did transform my HTC One to a "Google Edition" and that was fun. But that's the closest I've come to a true Google phone. And now, I'm not sure I may ever have a Google Phone at this rate. If they keep these crazy prices up next year, I suspect some 3rd Party OEM will get my money again.

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Looking at the spec comparison of the 2 devices on GSM Arena. The Pixel XL is not that far ahead of the MXPE, when you consider the price difference. Especially now, with the MXPE being on sale these days.
As much as I have said for years, "I'm getting a Nexus/Google Phone next..." It seems every time, a 3rd Party OEM comes with a great Android Device, that stalls me from going Nexus/Google. I did transform my HTC One to a "Google Edition" and that was fun. But that's the closest I've come to a true Google phone. And now, I'm not sure I may ever have a Google Phone at this rate. If they keep these crazy prices up next year, I suspect some 3rd Party OEM will get my money again.
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At this point I'm not even sure what my next upgrade will be. I don't like where motorola is heading with their new phones, and they've been anything but punctual with updates. If google completely drops the nexus line and only keeps the pixel devices at the current price point, I don't think I'll be going with either of them.
Currently, the only viable alternative I would consider buying is the op3, since it has decent hardware for a (relatively) fair price.

HaggisIV said:
At this point I'm not even sure what my next upgrade will be. I don't like where motorola is heading with their new phones, and they've been anything but punctual with updates. If google completely drops the nexus line and only keeps the pixel devices at the current price point, I don't think I'll be going with either of them.
Currently, the only viable alternative I would consider buying is the op3, since it has decent hardware for a (relatively) fair price.
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I have the same feeling... What about Nexus 6p? Is it worth switching to? Especially on the camera department, want something better in low light and it seems 6p seems pretty good there? What would I be missing though switching from MXPE to 6p?

I think you should add "other" to the poll.
Like most said here, the Pixels are ridiculously expensive. I personally would not put another rmb into Lenovarola's hands due to horrible support.
I am waiting on deals on the 128gb Nexus 6p. If I can get one around $450, that is the phone I would buy. I will miss the removable storage but I think that is about it.

If I were you I would never change snap808 device to 810. Snap 808/810 are worst cpus from qualcomm. Just wait for good priced snap 820 devices.

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I'll vote stay - consider the fact that
1. The Pixel XL is ridiculously expensive (649 for the smaller Pixel - and it's even painful to see that similar Android flagships such as the S7/Edge/V20/10/Axon 7/OP3 are cheaper and better to begin with)
2. 32GB non-expandable storage
3. No waterproofing
4. No front facing stereo speakers
5. No front facing flash (minor issue TBH)
6. Huge bezels in the front of the screen
The only redeeming part was the camera (which may be/maybe not better than the S7).
...and Verizon Exclusive? (That was the worst part of all)
I'm an avid Google user - but looks like Google has made a huge mistake so far.
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No wireless charging!
Honestly, I'm not against with the higher price, because Google can also have it's own flagship
However, this pixel device is not worth what we are paying for.
Just like sony xz, excuse me? 3gb RAM for a $699 phone?
Although pixel have the specs every Android flagship supposed to have, still lacking of some breathtaking feature.

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At this point I'm not even sure what my next upgrade will be. I don't like where motorola is heading with their new phones, and they've been anything but punctual with updates. If google completely drops the nexus line and only keeps the pixel devices at the current price point, I don't think I'll be going with either of them.
Currently, the only viable alternative I would consider buying is the op3, since it has decent hardware for a (relatively) fair price.
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I agree, I don't like where Lenovo is taking things either. I figure worst case next year, I'll get some T-Mobile USA branded device and get WiFi calling back. Or maybe keep the MXPE a 3rd year, but given the slow updates, I doubt we may see any updates after 2 years. I just hope we have better options next year.
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I have the same feeling... What about Nexus 6p? Is it worth switching to? Especially on the camera department, want something better in low light and it seems 6p seems pretty good there? What would I be missing though switching from MXPE to 6p?
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This thread has plenty of discussion about that: Moto X Pure vs Nexus 2015

talk me into/out of buying this

I currently have a Nexus 6p and have been a fan of everything. Growing tired of the size and considering the pixel, not the XL. Currently I have 64gb but only use 24gb currently. I have VZW UDP so I pretty much stream everything. I'm in love with the pixel. Especially the camera. With the bootloader being unlocked by firewall devs, I'm ok with buying a Verizon version. Couldn't pull the trigger in the store today though. Gonna be another month minimum before a 128 is shipped (but don't feel I need 128gb) but 32 makes me nervous. Even if the VZW version never gets full unlock, I only need tethering, and signal reset is a good enough work around for my needs.
So, I need opinions on whether I should or should pull the trigger and get the 32gb, or just keep my N6 for another year. (still in mint condition)

I came from a Nexus 6 (not 6p) to the Pixel. It feels small at first but I'm liking the one handed use.
It's better across the board; faster, better screen (brightness / color), battery life etc.
The only thing I notice is that the fingerprint sensor gestures would be more usable on the XL. On the 5 inch, it's not as useful since I can reach the whole screen more easily.

why..do what you want..who cares what others think
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I currently have a Nexus 6p and have been a fan of everything. Growing tired of the size
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I have absolutely no complaints about my 6P except the clumsy size. I ordered a Pixel as I usually get a new phone every year.
I am on Project Fi, and usually get good reception in the fringe area I live, except the Golf Course I play. I was expecting the Pixel to be better in this regard but it wasn't. Side by side I was seeing between 3 and 5 dBm less signal... strike one.
I don't listen to movies or music on the phone's speakers, but occasionally podcasts. The speaker on the Pixels is not as loud as my original Moto X's rear firing speakers. In a pocket, in a noisy environment, I would miss notification sounds... strike two.
Finally, it doesn't work on Android Auto with my Pioneer AVH4100NEX... strike three.
Strike three was the deal breaker and if not for that I might have kept it. The screen is noticeably brighter, and the phone is definitely faster (but the 6P is just fine in that regard as well), and I liked the size (although it is still very slippery like the 6P).
If I see that they fix the Android Auto issue with Pioneer, I may order another one... but by then who knows, the Pixel 2 may be on the horizon. I get the feeling Google rushed this phone. The Ron Amadeo articles on Ars Technica are definitely food for thought. Who knows what Pixel 2 will be like given they'll have over a year to get it right.
Just my 2¢... YMMV.

johnandbodhi said:
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This^
Not to be rude, really, but... you're an adult. Lol. Research the phone and if you like it, buy it, if you don't, than, buy yourself a steak.

The 6P is great, if you were going for the Pixel XL (instead of the Pixel); I'd stay this year with the 6P and next year do the switch to 2017 Pixel. (Unless you really care about the Compass in Google Maps. which sux in the 5X/6P, and is one of my 2 issues with the 5X at the moment, the RAM and the compass accuracy).
I'm honestly very fine with the 5X, I'll only switch to the Pixel mainly because of the RAM and to try the new compass (I'm tired of this bosch BMM150 it's a mess, tried it in 3 nexus). I also like the 5" and the smaller width distance. But since this Pixel is made of metal, It will be more slippery than the black 5X, so i'll probably will be using a grip case, and that case will make the pixel bigger, similar to the 5X..
In your case..your only issue is the one-handed usage with the 6P. If you really want to go back to a one handed phone, I'll try the Pixel. But IMO, nothing better than the original/old 2013 Moto X for one handed usage. (This depends on your hand shape and size) Of course it's old, but what I meant is, it'd be nice to have a 3rd smaller 4.7" pixel 720p variant.... (size is not the main factor for one handed usage... For instance, I tried a Z5 Compact 4.6" and had to put a case because it was slippery, I'm much more comfortable with a naked black 5X than a naked Z5 Compact).

thesebastian said:
The 6P is great, if you are going for the Pixel; I'd stay this year with the 6P and next year do the switch to 2017 Pixel. (Unless you really care about the Compass in Google Maps. which sux in the 5X/6P, and is one of my 2 issues with the 5X at the moment, the RAM and the compass accuracy).
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Very true. The compass always needs recalibration on my 6p. I really want to upgrade, so the basic question is, is 32gb worth it? I dont come close to using the 64 I got now, and by the time the 128gb start shipping, depixel8 will probably be patched by VZW. I usually keep the bootloader locked, but it's nice to have that ability if needed...

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Very true. The compass always needs recalibration on my 6p. I really want to upgrade, so the basic question is, is 32gb worth it? I dont come close to using the 64 I got now, and by the time the 128gb start shipping, depixel8 will probably be patched by VZW. I usually keep the bootloader locked, but it's nice to have that ability if needed...
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I only know that the compass is different, they still use Bosch sensors, but not anymore for the compass, it was changed for some Japanese brand's e-compass. I don't really know if the Pixel still has compass random issues like the 5X/6P, so be careful of this. I'll get the Pixel as soon as they sell it in Spain, I wan't to buy it in my country of residence in case I need to return it.
32GB are ok to me in the 5X..because I only have google apps + some small apps + Hearthstone. And every time I reach 8GB of photos/videos it move all to my PC. (In the Pixel you'll have the Photos unlimited upload promotion so this would be a more easy task if you end using this feature). For my usage, 16GB is not enough. 32GB is much more than enough.

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I only know that the compass is different, they still use Bosch sensors, but not anymore for the compass, it was changed for some Japanese brand's e-compass. I don't really know if the Pixel still has compass random issues like the 5X/6P, so be careful of this. I'll get the Pixel as soon as they sell it in Spain, I wan't to buy it in my country of residence in case I need to return it.
32GB are ok to me in the 5X..because I only have google apps + some small apps + Hearthstone. And every time I reach 8GB of photos/videos it move all to my PC. (In the Pixel you'll have the Photos unlimited upload promotion so this would be a more easy task if you end using this feature). For my usage, 16GB is not enough. 32GB is much more than enough.
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Thanks. Very helpful for me. So was the poster about the radio. I've been rather unimpressed with the 6p radio for phone calls and if the pixel is worse it could be a deal breaker. Was hopeful with HTC that the radio would be better. In my house I've gotten the best reception in the past with HTC, and the worst with Samsung until Huawei

Yeah. I was in the same boat as you. I realised I gained a few things and lost a few things in getting the Pixel.
My main praise is that the Pixel is the only viable small flagship in Android land. The smaller factor is a major requirement for me even though I have large hands. So the Pixel really ticks this box. I wish it were smaller even.
The Pixel feels much better in the hand in terms of materials, weight, balance and sheer confidence in its build quality/durability. As compared to my 6P.
The software feels more natural in one handed usage. The Pixel feels faster and more responsive. More coherent and finished.
I found the battery life a little bit more reliable too. But early days.
Now... The camera is the same as that in the 6P in my experience. Just has EIS, which the 6P should be given anyway as it's just software AFAIK.
SO... Ugly design compared to the 6P and the iPhone or the Galaxy line.
Weaker speakers. Less storage. Higher price. Poorer design.
Therefore, the size compelled me. It's therefore a different phone, not a better phone.
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subhani said:
Now... The camera is the same as that in the 6P in my experience. Just has EIS, which the 6P should be given anyway as it's just software AFAIK
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Actually, the 6P has EIS, it just uses a different, less effective method. I have read a lot of conjecture that the 6P might not have the horsepower to keep up with the gyro based EIS employed in the Pixel.
With that said, the Pixel's stabilization is so solid, it makes it impossible to do a slow pan... with the image jumping in huge steps as you pan the camera. If your steady, you can get nice slow pans from the 6P with EIS turned on.

Biting the bullet on a black XL at best buy. After having both in my the XL is far more one handed friendly than the 6P. I'm not sure my 40 year old eyes can go back to the smaller screen of the regular pixel. I had the LG G3 prior to the nexus so I've grown accustomed to the large screen. As much as my pocket likes the smaller device, they don't have it black either. Thanks for the help and opinions.

Well you can always increase the DPI and/or the Text Size if you wanted to use a smaller phone and still be able to see clearly everything from a far distance
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thesebastian said:
Well you can always increase the DPI and/or the Text Size if you wanted to use a smaller phone and still be able to see clearly everything from a far distance
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Indeed! In fact, this is what I'm doing right now...
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318sugarhill said:
I currently have a Nexus 6p and have been a fan of everything. Growing tired of the size and considering the pixel, not the XL. Currently I have 64gb but only use 24gb currently. I have VZW UDP so I pretty much stream everything. I'm in love with the pixel. Especially the camera. With the bootloader being unlocked by firewall devs, I'm ok with buying a Verizon version. Couldn't pull the trigger in the store today though. Gonna be another month minimum before a 128 is shipped (but don't feel I need 128gb) but 32 makes me nervous. Even if the VZW version never gets full unlock, I only need tethering, and signal reset is a good enough work around for my needs.
So, I need opinions on whether I should or should pull the trigger and get the 32gb, or just keep my N6 for another year. (still in mint condition)
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Honestly if you like the phone you currently have and this applies to anybody not just Nexus 6p and really don't have thousand dollars to waste on another phone. I'd suggest against buying the pixel and stick to your phone for as long as you can. New devices will come out in another couple months. The pixels camera isn't all that big of a deal, the phone has its features, it's fast, the camera loads fast, the camera is good, the display is fantastic, the size is awesome, nugget 7.1 fantastic, assistant works well. But all in all, not much more than current models like the Nexus 6p and others realeased in this last year.
That's just my opinion. I've been wanting to replace my LG V10 so the pixel XL was a good option, just an expensive one. Mainly for Google support, user base of support, accessories Galore, fantastically beautiful screen comparable to wow any iphone samsumg user, Quick Camera loading, usb c PD Charging and other stuff.. Lol
I like the hype train the bandwagon and the recognition of having a pixel XL. Especially in Smurfy Blue!
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Biting the bullet on a black XL at best buy. After having both in my the XL is far more one handed friendly than the 6P. I'm not sure my 40 year old eyes can go back to the smaller screen of the regular pixel. I had the LG G3 prior to the nexus so I've grown accustomed to the large screen. As much as my pocket likes the smaller device, they don't have it black either. Thanks for the help and opinions.
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I too felt the text size a tad bit small, being a 40+ yo, compared to my v10. But theres a setting in display, its default to small, which you can adjust. Then pixel xl screen is just so crisp and clear even with tiny letters and im coming from ips screen.

clockcycle said:
Honestly if you like the phone you currently have and this applies to anybody not just Nexus 6p and really don't have thousand dollars to waste on another phone. I'd suggest against buying the pixel and stick to your phone for as long as you can. New devices will come out in another couple months. The pixels camera isn't all that big of a deal, the phone has its features, it's fast, the camera loads fast, the camera is good, the display is fantastic, the size is awesome, nugget 7.1 fantastic, assistant works well. But all in all, not much more than current models like the Nexus 6p and others realeased in this last year.
That's just my opinion. I've been wanting to replace my LG V10 so the pixel XL was a good option, just an expensive one. Mainly for Google support, user base of support, accessories Galore, fantastically beautiful screen comparable to wow any iphone samsumg user, Quick Camera loading, usb c PD Charging and other stuff.. Lol
I like the hype train the bandwagon and the recognition of having a pixel XL. Especially in Smurfy Blue!
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I too felt the text size a tad bit small, being a 40+ yo, compared to my v10. But theres a setting in display, its default to small, which you can adjust. Then pixel xl screen is just so crisp and clear even with tiny letters and im coming from ips screen.
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Yeah I really didn't need to spend more money, but once depixel8 was released, putting it on my vzw bill was a no brainier. I got a $400 offer for my Nexus, I got $100 best buy gift card, and a Chromecast from best buy....I'm really spending a little over 200 more for this device and I get to spread out the payments. I like it better than the Nexus. For sure I'm not getting another phone for 2 years.

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Yeah I really didn't need to spend more money, but once depixel8 was released, putting it on my vzw bill was a no brainier. I got a $400 offer for my Nexus, I got $100 best buy gift card, and a Chromecast from best buy....I'm really spending a little over 200 more for this device and I get to spread out the payments. I like it better than the Nexus. For sure I'm not getting another phone for 2 years.
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Bleep yea, if you put it that way, id buy two. No brainer if its costing you almost nothing.

Forgot to mention one important very fundamental reason behind owning a pixel, and that is the XDA community. Autoprime chainfire jcase all the top names own one, just about every green named member has one..
I was the only person to own an lg v10... It was a lonely place..