I'm hoping that with the new USB Type-C connector and Power Delivery 2.0, someone will finally make my ideal type of DAC for phone use in the car:
USB input for powering DAC from cigarette lighter adapter (2.1A)
USB input/output for connection to Type-C jack on phone - phone sends digital audio to DAC, and phone simultaneously charges at (relatively) high power thanks to Power Delivery 2.0
3.5mm audio line out - connect to car AUX input
Currently the DACs I find that come closest to meeting this are the FiiO E18 and the Creative Labs E5, but both add a lot of expense and complexity in trying to be everything to everyone (internal battery for portable use, headphone amp with volume control, etc.). Reviews also state that using them with a phone while also charging the phone can be very touchy.
Is anyone else looking for something like this, or have ideas about where it can already be found? I'm not averse to using a portable DAC in the car, but I want the phone charging to be pretty bulletproof. :good:
I use this with my Nexus 5 and a USB OTG Host cable. I have a Nexus 6P on the way, and I'm hoping it will still work with a just a micro-USB to USB-C adapter for the Nexus 6P. It works very well now, with the downside that the phone doesn't charge when used this way . I read that that was a hardware limitation in the Nexus 5. Maybe the Nexus 6P will charge while sending USB audio, I don't know.
DAC:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036VO4X4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
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I don't know of a product that matches what you described. I have the OPPO HA-2, but in terms of inputs and functionality, it's much the same as the SoundBlaster and FIIO DACs. I don't see how you can charge your phone at the same time you USB output the audio to one of these devices. Using the analog jacks defeats the purpose.
While I think the setup you described would be good, I think we are probably a year or two away from anything like it. I've noticed a trend in the audiophile world of slow adoption of new things such as USB Type-C. If the market proves me wrong, I'm OK with that! I just don't have high expectations for something like this anytime soon.
Also, I think a better alternative would be an aftermarket deck for your car with a USB input for simultaneous charging / USB audio connectivity straight to the sound system. Skip the external DAC and analog headphone jacks all together. Maybe something with Android Auto on it. Again, adoption of Type-C is probably going to be very slow in this product category, but that would be something I'd like to see!
Besides, audio always seems to limited by the weakest link in the chain. Factory car speakers are just terrible, although I'll admit they've gotten better in the last 4 or 5 years. Why go through the pains of setting up an extravagant DAC setup when the speakers won't make it sound any better? Unless you DO have better speakers, in which case, never mind.
May I ask why the 3.5mm analog out from the phone is not sufficient if your car already has an analog input? What is this buying you?
I have an old 2005 Acura TL with a kickass stereo (DVD-A), but no external inputs. I just installed a Grom Audio AND2 that gives me USB stick, Android and a 3.5mm Analog capability. Mine is running in Satellite Radio Emulation mode to give me Song, Album and Artist info in the display.
As newbie, I can not be helpful and add a link but you can Google Grom Audio and click the compare kits link.
The holy grail for me is automotive systems that will take USB or SD cards and actually have as much functionality as a free app on the play store! Most automotive entertainment system developers are so clueless, they should have their balls crushed in a vice and then be fired! The whole naming audio files "01-Artist-Album-Title" came about because automotive systems won't read metadata tags and support playlists.
Techno Trousers said:
I'm hoping that with the new USB Type-C connector and Power Delivery 2.0, someone will finally make my ideal type of DAC for phone use in the car:
USB input for powering DAC from cigarette lighter adapter (2.1A)
USB input/output for connection to Type-C jack on phone - phone sends digital audio to DAC, and phone simultaneously charges at (relatively) high power thanks to Power Delivery 2.0
3.5mm audio line out - connect to car AUX input
Currently the DACs I find that come closest to meeting this are the FiiO E18 and the Creative Labs E5, but both add a lot of expense and complexity in trying to be everything to everyone (internal battery for portable use, headphone amp with volume control, etc.). Reviews also state that using them with a phone while also charging the phone can be very touchy.
Is anyone else looking for something like this, or have ideas about where it can already be found? I'm not averse to using a portable DAC in the car, but I want the phone charging to be pretty bulletproof. :good:
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May I ask why the 3.5mm analog out from the phone is not sufficient if your car already has an analog input? What is this buying you?
I have an old 2005 Acura TL with a kickass stereo (DVD-A), but no external inputs. I just installed a Grom Audio AND2 that gives me USB stick, Android and a 3.5mm Analog capability. Mine is running in Satellite Radio Emulation mode to give me Song, Album and Artist info in the display.
As newbie, I can not be helpful and add a link but you can Google Grom Audio and click the compare kits link.
The holy grail for me is automotive systems that will take USB or SD cards and actually have as much functionality as a free app on the play store! Most automotive entertainment system developers are so clueless, they should have their balls crushed in a vice and then be fired! The whole naming audio files "01-Artist-Album-Title" came about because automotive systems won't read metadata tags and support playlists.
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I have a 05 TL in Blue with the tan interior and the GPS.
My dad got the 12 TL and the seats are not as comfortable
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I have a 05 TL in Blue with the tan interior and the GPS.
My dad got the 12 TL and the seats are not as comfortable
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My 05 TL is also Navy Blue with British Tan leather. Now it has a Grom Audio and I am a fairly happy camper. I used to burn DVD-A discs with about 7 CDs on each and use the "Group" feature. So the 6 disc changer gave me about 42 CDs. BTW, I used Cirlinca DVD-Solo to make and burn DVD Audio Disks.
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My 05 TL is also Navy Blue with British Tan leather. Now it has a Grom Audio and I am a fairly happy camper. I used to burn DVD-A discs with about 7 CDs on each and use the "Group" feature. So the 6 disc changer gave me about 42 CDs. BTW, I used Cirlinca DVD-Solo to make and burn DVD Audio Disks.
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We have the exact same car
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Hi, everyone. Thanks so much for the responses, I really appreciate it. To answer some questions and hopefully clarify things:
Why do this? In my 2007 Honda Civic, I upgraded the speakers just after I bought the car (Boston Acoustics) but left the head unit alone, to get maximum sound quality bang for my buck. I currently have a Galaxy S4, and can take advantage of analog audio out via USB with a special iBolt cable (It operates very similarly to the old 30-pin iPod to analog out cables, if you can picture that).
Via experimentation, I've found that increasing order of sound quality is:
Connection from headphone output to AUX in
Connection from USB analog audio out to AUX in (via iBolt cable)
USB digital out over OTG cable to external DAC, DAC AUX out to car AUX in
Option 3 is far and away the best sound quality. It's a very noticeable difference--as good as playing a CD in the head unit. I will use this option with the Nexus 6P no matter what, but I'd like to be able to charge the phone at the same time, especially on long road trips while using navigation and playing audio. Both the USB Power Delivery specification 2.0 and Android Marshmallow make reference to being able to charge USB host devices, so the missing link is what the best DAC would be to achieve that. It may be that the phone itself will be able to decide whether to draw or output power, which would be ideal if the DAC recognizes and respects that choice.
As for the question about why not get a new head unit? This is an older car, and it's frankly not worth the expense and effort to do that at this time. I'll definitely be looking for Android Auto as a feature in any new car I consider down the road, however.
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Connection from headphone output to AUX in
Connection from USB analog audio out to AUX in (via iBolt cable)
USB digital out over OTG cable to external DAC, DAC AUX out to car AUX in
Option 3 is far and away the best sound quality. It's a very noticeable difference--as good as playing a CD in the head unit. I will use this option with the Nexus 6P no matter what, but I'd like to be able to charge the phone at the same time, especially on long road trips while using navigation and playing audio. Both the USB Power Delivery specification 2.0 and Android Marshmallow make reference to being able to charge USB host devices, so the missing link is what the best DAC would be to achieve that. It may be that the phone itself will be able to decide whether to draw or output power, which would be ideal if the DAC recognizes and respects that choice.
As for the question about why not get a new head unit? This is an older car, and it's frankly not worth the expense and effort to do that at this time. I'll definitely be looking for Android Auto as a feature in any new car I consider down the road, however.
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The GROM kit I bought allows me to play music from USB stick, connect the phone via USB and drive it from the car interface, and aux in. The USB3 kit allows you to add a Bluetooth. I prefer the music on the USB stick. Better connecting a $5 stick than a $500 phone.
The 6P is not USB-PD compliant in that it does not support the PD profiles. 15W (5V/3A) is not a PD spec. It is a Type C spec. Supposedly it uses the control channel in the type C cable/connector but no one knows how far it goes. Some suggest that it will allow reversing power flow. It should allow both data flow and power flow, but it is not a full implementation of USB-PD and is still only USB 2.0 compliant. It should allow charging while connected as long as the host it is plugged into will provide power. At what rate is the big question. Most assume it will drop to legacy 5V 1.5A.
Thanks, dwswager, that's good info. I have a Grom Audio unit in my wife's Mazda, which lacks an AUX in. I'm not 100% happy with it because it tends to lose the ability to get digital audio from the phone, and she needs to reload a config file from a USB stick to reenable that.
I do tend to think that all of this will get worked out in the end. I'm a bit of an edge case, I admit. I do have some good stopgaps now, at least for the non-charging case. That Turtle Beach mini DAC is quite intriguing at only $20. At that price it's worth taking a chance.
I hope we can keep this thread alive as we start to discover what works and what doesn't. November can't get here soon enough!
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Thanks, dwswager, that's good info. I have a Grom Audio unit in my wife's Mazda, which lacks an AUX in. I'm not 100% happy with it because it tends to lose the ability to get digital audio from the phone, and she needs to reload a config file from a USB stick to reenable that.
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Assume you have spoken to GROM. Also will assume you flashed the latest firmware update to your wife's unit. The downside on the AUX input is that it uses a proprietary DIN-4 connector and the cable they supply has a male 3.5mm end. So if you want to mount a female 3.5mm jack in the dash you have to use an extra F/F adapter because the jacks are all wired with 3.5mm male ends. They also make an aux cable with both 3.5 and USB female so you can charge and output analog audio at the same time. You also get standard 5V 1.5A via the USB port in the AND2, USB3 and the ipod only number.
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Thanks, dwswager, that's good info. I have a Grom Audio unit in my wife's Mazda, which lacks an AUX in. I'm not 100% happy with it because it tends to lose the ability to get digital audio from the phone, and she needs to reload a config file from a USB stick to reenable that.
I do tend to think that all of this will get worked out in the end. I'm a bit of an edge case, I admit. I do have some good stopgaps now, at least for the non-charging case. That Turtle Beach mini DAC is quite intriguing at only $20. At that price it's worth taking a chance.
I hope we can keep this thread alive as we start to discover what works and what doesn't. November can't get here soon enough!
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In terms of audio quality, the Turtle Beach DAC is a serious improvement over just using the 1/8 in. out of the phone. I will say that the Bass response is HUGE coming out of the Turtle Beach, so I usually eq the bass down a couple notches on the car stereo. That said, it really is an amazing improvement in sound quality for very little investment. (I'm a musician, so I tend to fixate on these things.)
By the way, I bought this cable to extend the reach of my OTG / Host cable,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HAOKCE8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
It's interesting that the seller says USB OTG cables do not support charging.
"This cable is what is known as an OTG, or On-The-Go cable. USB On-The-Go is a specification that allows USB devices such as digital audio players or mobile phones to act as a host, allowing other USB devices like a USB flash drive, digital camera, mouse, or keyboard to be attached to them. These cables do not support charging or syncing of devices. "
bump.
Has anyone found a portable solution to charge phone and offload digital audio to a DAC?
I'm happy to say that the phone works great with my Sony UDA-1 dac/amp (both audio and charging), but it runs off of mains voltage.
I'd even be happy with any single cord solution for simultaneous charging and audio output.
Alright, lemme clear some stuff up here.
For most phones, yes a USB DAC provides better quality than what comes out of the headphone jack and also more volume (doubters can just live on in ignorant bliss :good
On my LG G2, at least, the OTG Y-cable linked earlied charged the phone (although it didn't actually seem to indicate it was charging) and worked with the DAC at the same time
The same cable, when converted from micro USB to USB C and used with the 6P, seems to only be providing charging, the DAC is not working
I will see if I can find anything in the logs or whether there's anything else I can do, maybe bypassing the Y-cable to see if the DAC works at all with the 6P.
Yeeesss yes please, if you or anyone else happens to get a DAC working with the Nexus 6P, please let us all know. I love my 6P, but I definitely miss my setup with my OnePlus One + USB DAC to car AUX...
Is anyone else noticing that audio is downsampled to mono when using Nexus 6p + USB DAC?
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Is anyone else noticing that audio is downsampled to mono when using Nexus 6p + USB DAC?
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No, not at all.
There's also noticeably less noise through the DAC compared to my old Galaxy Note 3.
Which DAC are you using?
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No, not at all.
There's also noticeably less noise through the DAC compared to my old Galaxy Note 3.
Which DAC are you using?
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this
http://www.amazon.com/Turtle-Beach-Advantage-Digital-Adapter/dp/B0036VO4X4
it worked fine with my nexus 5.
what are you using?
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No, not at all.
There's also noticeably less noise through the DAC compared to my old Galaxy Note 3.
Which DAC are you using?
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also, I installed the trial version of USB Audio Player Pro , and I was able to get stereo sound (though limited to the interface of that app and only local files). So there is something really weird happening software wise . . .
Well I tried a USB C to A converter, and my DAC is working fine with the 6P with that. But no charging at the same time, of course.
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Adapter-Chromebook-MacBook-Compatible/dp/B00WJSPWRM/
Zorloo is making their earbuds for type C soon. They have built in dacs.
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Has anyone seen a microUSB dock/charger/headset that has audio capability as well as charging the phone? What I'd like is to play music from, have headset controls from, and charge the phone all from the microUSB port on the bottom... or is this what car docks are supposed to do?
The way my car is, it's annoying to plug in the charger on the bottom AND the line out on the top - if there's a headset/adapter type thing, I figure I'll buy one of those and build my own car dock, and potentially speaker dock for the indoors.
OR: Just a microUSB headset - maybe I could add charger wires to it...
Month-long bump: I've realized that all I want right now is a microUSB headset, like for the older phones with no headphone jack. Obviously they don't make these for the G2x; has anyone confirmed another LG headset that works with this phone?
I honestly dont know if anything like that exists but I dont think so because of several reasons. Just a few that come to mind I'm not sure if the kernel driver supports it even if it could; the power running parallel to the audio probably would sound terrible; the USB would probably have to be used with a USB (female) to micro-USB (male) adapter since if you were to find it, it would probably be for PC so needed to be converted further adding to the reduction in sound quality.
Silly question.... why not just use Bluetooth and then usb to charge/data only??
Not a silly question at all. I don't feel like paying for a bluetooth adapter but also, because I've had bad luck with them in the past, as far as sound quality goes; I wasn't very impressed. Are there any good/reasonably priced bluetooth adapters that you've had luck with?
The blackberry audio gateway has been reliable for me and sounds decent.
Hmm maybe... not really a fan of having to plug that in, in addition to my stereo. I'll keep it in mind. Any others?
im looking for something to connect to the back of my stock radio in my Audi thats plays music and charges at the same time. is there anything out there that does this and doesnt break the bank? or am i asking for too much? Thanks
GrapeBandit said:
im looking for something to connect to the back of my stock radio in my Audi thats plays music and charges at the same time. is there anything out there that does this and doesnt break the bank? or am i asking for too much? Thanks
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Yes you are... first my new aftermarket stereo that has a USB input doesn't read the MP3 files off my S4 because the S4 doesn't have a mass storage option when you connect to USB. My old Droid Razr Maxx did have this function, so the stereo would see my SD card as storage. I don't think it's possible for a stock stereo to read the MP3's through USB if it's not a factory built-in feature.
What you need is an aux input and you can play music through your phone's app.
If your stock stereo doesn't have any type of aux input then you need to get a wired FM modulator. It gives you a powered isolated (no alternator noise while charging) input that connects in-line with your FM antenna. This is your best option for playing music from your phone to your older stock stereo.
http://www.amazon.com/Scosche-FM-MOD02-Universal-Modulator-Satellite/dp/B001QBG614
With that being said, for $150 I bought a new stereo with Bluetooth, aux, and USB input from Crutchfield and it came with free shipping, adapter kit, wiring harness, and instructions. I can also change songs and Pandora channels while streaming BT from the stereo
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_130X700BT/Pioneer-FH-X700BT.html?tp=5684
I still have my old wired FM modulator hooked up behind my dash, not being used I just forgot to take it out when I put in my new stereo a few weeks ago.
nice radio. my car has a single din, otherwise id go for an in-dash double din that can play dvd's.
this is what came with my car when i bought it. ipod adapter.lolz
http://blitzsafe.com/catalog/audi/audi-/-m-link1-v-1b/prod_111.html
this plugs in to the back of the radio and plays in the stock cd changer mode, not fm frequency.
if used with apple, it would charge wile playing, but not the case when using a 3.5mm headphone jack.
i had the female ipod to 3.5mm adapter so i can use it on my android, but the ipod cable that attaches to the interface broke. so im just looking for other options.
they have this, 8 pin mini din to female rca cable, then i can do male rca to 3.5mm adapter to get my android to work.
http://blitzsafe.com/catalog/universal/8-pin-mini-to-rca/prod_285.html
trying to figure out how i can play music and charge at the same time without using the damn cigarette lighter. i would probably need, if they even make them, and if it would even work, is male rca to 3.5mm jack and male micro usb
OK, AFAIK, playing music and charging at the same time isn't possible with a single standard Micro USB cable. Now, that said, I have a different setup that lets me do this when i drive. I bought the iBolt car dock for Samsung phones. it comes with a split cable that is Micro USB on one end and then splits into regular USB and AUX-Out on the other end. Connect the phone into the dock, then the AUX out into the radio (radio needs and Aux In) and finally the regular USB into the charger port. Also, make sure your Dock settings are turned on in Settings/Accessory.
Works pretty well for me and i have used it with S#m S4, Note 2 and Note 3. Doesn't work with S5 running stock ROM.
I know you were looking for a solution that did not need the cigarette lighter, but I hope this helps.
for the life of me I cant find male rca on one side that splits to a micro usb and 3.5mm headphone jack. I bet thats probably not even made. lol.
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for the life of me I cant find male rca on one side that splits to a micro usb and 3.5mm headphone jack. I bet thats probably not even made. lol.
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does your car stereo have an Aux in for the 3.5 headphones? if so i see tons of micro usb to 3.5mm adapters available for cheap cheap, wont charge your phone though... thought about wireless charging dock for your car? they're around and kinda cheap. i charge my S4 all the time wirelessly even in my truck. also they do have apapter plugs around that you have to mount into your car ?(pulling out the radio and hooking either into the head unit or jumping the wires there. That'll give you both the usb and aux adapter
i just typed into Ebay mhl to RCA and you will get way better results
edit #2 this is from ebay micro usb to audio out, but once again cannot charge (limitations of electronics and stereos)http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-3-5mm-Micro-USB-Aux-Car-Audio-Cable-Adapter-Connector-For-Samsung-S3-S4-HTC-/251577813190?pt=US_Cell_Phone_PDA_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3a9334c8c6
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does your car stereo have an Aux in for the 3.5 headphones? if so i see tons of micro usb to 3.5mm adapters available for cheap cheap, wont charge your phone though... thought about wireless charging dock for your car? they're around and kinda cheap. i charge my S4 all the time wirelessly even in my truck. also they do have apapter plugs around that you have to mount into your car ?(pulling out the radio and hooking either into the head unit or jumping the wires there. That'll give you both the usb and aux adapter
i just typed into Ebay mhl to RCA and you will get way better results
edit #2 this is from ebay micro usb to audio out, but once again cannot charge (limitations of electronics and stereos)http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-3-5mm-Micro-USB-Aux-Car-Audio-Cable-Adapter-Connector-For-Samsung-S3-S4-HTC-/251577813190?pt=US_Cell_Phone_PDA_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3a9334c8c6
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I have a 8 pin mini din plug that I can hook a 3.5mm headphone jack to. adapter for that is like $5 lol
but that doesnt help for charging lol
so with that said, the car came with iphone/ipod cable that hooked into that 8 pin mini din plug, and that plays music and charges an apple product at the same time. dont have, never had, and never will have an apple product though
While this isn't really what you're asking for, IIRC Pioneers App Radio double din deck allows this... But it is going to break the bank, and from the reviews I remember reading a couple years ago it's not worth the $. I think they're on their 2nd or 3rd gen of this deck now though so maybe it has gotten better.
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While this isn't really what you're asking for, IIRC Pioneers App Radio double din deck allows this... But it is going to break the bank, and from the reviews I remember reading a couple years ago it's not worth the $. I think they're on their 2nd or 3rd gen of this deck now though so maybe it has gotten better.
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trying to keep the stock look in my car, I think it looks good. factory bose system, but its only a single din tape deck...lol
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im looking for something to connect to the back of my stock radio in my Audi thats plays music and charges at the same time. is there anything out there that does this and doesnt break the bank? or am i asking for too much? Thanks
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I have recently installed a Fusion CA-ML650BT 'Mechless' Head Unit in my 1994 model Mazda Astina. It has no moving parts, simply because it does not have a CD player. Not that it needs one, when I can plug in a USB flash drive full of MP3's, or my iPod, or connect my Galaxy i9505 to it via Bluetooth. I got it on special at an auto parts store for AU$99.00, but their regular retail price is AU$149.00.
What I want to know is, why do you want to keep the car's standard stereo? If you've got an Audi, then why haven't you got a couple of hundred dollars to get yourself a good single-DIN head unit? There is a huge range of single-DIN head units on the market, even those which slide out a large screen for you to watch movies on and also connect to a 'reversing camera' for extra safety.
These days, you don't need a CD player in your car, and I challenge anyone to prove to me why you do. Oh, and don't say, "So I can play DVD's on a 2-DIN screen!", because apps like MX Player and Neutron can stream video via BT into a head unit that accepts such streaming protocols (Alpine, Clarion, JVC and Sony already have such units in their range). The music you've got on compact disc can be converted to MP3 quite easily on a PC, and the top-ranked Android 'media player' apps play almost every standard format of audio and video.
For the latest music, you simply install into your computer a 'Youtube Downloader', then convert the music video you've grabbed to MP3 and you're off and running. Next step, buy a high-capacity Class 10 MicroSD card for your phone - eBay's the cheapest place for them - and fill it with those MP3's. Once you've got that, you 'pair' your phone with the head unit in your car, select 'BT-Audio' as the input source, set the phone's music player to 'Shuffle' and away you go. If you're listening to a song and think, "Urgh, I don't want to hear that now", you simply click the => button on your car stereo and it chooses another at random. With a i9505, you can even play music via Bluetooth while running a navigation app., and the music volume will drop while the GPS guy (or girl) says, "Turn left here!" The other great feature is, if you're driving around (with your phone connected to the stereo via BT) and get a phone call, the head unit will automatically shut off the music, answer the phone for you and you'll hear the caller's voice through your car stereo speakers.
With an increasing number of governments across the world introducing laws restricting mobile phone use whilst driving, these 'hands-free' systems are definitely a good thing, and also worth investing in to lessen the chance of the Police handing you a penalty notice. A bit of shopping around will get you a quality brand head unit at a good price. JVC, Fusion, Clarion, Kenwood, Alpine and Sony are the best manufacturers, they all have 'mechless' head units in their range and eBay is a great place to start your search.
Hope that helps you decide that a move to what is fast becoming standard equipment in vehicles everywhere is worth saving your pennies for...
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I have a 8 pin mini din plug that I can hook a 3.5mm headphone jack to. adapter for that is like $5 lol
but that doesnt help for charging lol
so with that said, the car came with iphone/ipod cable that hooked into that 8 pin mini din plug, and that plays music and charges an apple product at the same time. dont have, never had, and never will have an apple product though
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8 pin mini din plug to micro usb adapter or get a OTG cable and then a usb to ipoo (sorry 8 pin mini female cord).. mice AUDI though. i use BT in my truck. i just picked up one of those BT receivers and when i need to charge i just plug in with a cord to the aux/cigarette lighter., phone sits on my lap or under my leg and io use GoneMad or PowerAmp with Viper4Android and its all smooth
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8 pin mini din plug to micro usb adapter or get a OTG cable and then a usb to ipoo (sorry 8 pin mini female cord).. mice AUDI though. i use BT in my truck. i just picked up one of those BT receivers and when i need to charge i just plug in with a cord to the aux/cigarette lighter., phone sits on my lap or under my leg and io use GoneMad or PowerAmp with Viper4Android and its all smooth
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thanks! I love my audi's lol...have 2 right now and my 5th overall...I figured out what im going to do since we cant play music through our usb let alone charge and play music through usb at the same time. I will eventually get a mechless head unit like Shotty said, they can be had for cheap. I would probably play music through BT. I dont want to use a plug in car charger through the cigarette lighter outlet, so im going to hard wire in a 4post usb outlet under my center console to come out behind the e-brake handle. it will be a 12v to 5v 2amp unit, with 4 usb ports. they are cheap and I can do the wiring myself.
question, how is the quality of the music through BT? is it a digital quality or sub-standard like hooking up to play through my 3.5mm headphone jack?
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thanks! I love my audi's lol...have 2 right now and my 5th overall...I figured out what im going to do since we cant play music through our usb let alone charge and play music through usb at the same time. I will eventually get a mechless head unit like Shotty said, they can be had for cheap. I would probably play music through BT. I dont want to use a plug in car charger through the cigarette lighter outlet, so im going to hard wire in a 4post usb outlet under my center console to come out behind the e-brake handle. it will be a 12v to 5v 2amp unit, with 4 usb ports. they are cheap and I can do the wiring myself.
question, how is the quality of the music through BT? is it a digital quality or sub-standard like hooking up to play through my 3.5mm headphone jack?
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In my 2009 Ranger I'm running a month old Pioneer head unit that pushes 50W x 4 to the speakers and to a Bazooka tube. the BT dongle/receiver is a class 2 receiver (i didnt realize our phones were class 4 till way later), but i notice a quality issue as compared to just running a wire. yes i still have the wire as back up but my audio profiles through V4A are just a bit different. BT seems more robust and louder with the music while the wire is ok, but the earphone plug can get dirty and sound is compromised.. the wire i seem to have to turn up the volume on the head unit just a little more (although slightly) for siiliar quality, tested without V4A installed as well as installed and with 3 players (GoneMad, PowerAmp, and Playerpro all paid versions). only problem so far i've encountered is i have to keep the dongle plugged into power all the time for it to push into my stereo, but it was $13 off ebay so i knew something might be wrong of course.
I was looking for a Pioneer unit with BT built in but nothing fit my budget at the time (Pioneer is known to fit Ford exactly with no size conflict and great sound)
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I will eventually get a mechless head unit like Shotty said, they can be had for cheap.
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Good idea, for not just music but the ability to make and receive phone calls hands-free.
I would probably play music through BT. Question, how is the quality of the music through BT? Is it a digital quality or sub-standard like hooking up to play through my 3.5mm headphone jack?
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It's exactly the same output quality as what you'd hear through a very good set of headphones. If you use the Samsung headphones that came with your device, you will hear poor quality sound no matter what it is. BT streams exactly what is being played, without any loss of sound quality, so it then depends on what the music player does to 'enhance' the track, and also the quality of the track itself. A song ripped from a CD as a 128kbps 22100Hz stereo MP3 sounds nowhere near as good as that same song from the same CD ripped as a 24bit 96000Hz *.FLAC. PowerAMP and Neutron play *.FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) files, and direct stream them in all their glory and pure clarity to the BT receiver. It's then a case of having good quality speakers to reproduce that sound. Every stereo system on the planet is only as good as the speakers they're feeding sound to. You can have a $10,000 receiver+amplifier system but listening to that system through $10 speakers is a waste.
I don't want to use a plug in car charger through the cigarette lighter outlet, so I'm going to hard wire in a 4post usb outlet under my center console to come out behind the e-brake handle. it will be a 12v to 5v 2amp unit, with 4 usb ports. they are cheap and I can do the wiring myself.
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From an auto-electrician's point of view, do that off the cigarette lighter circuit, which will give you a 15A fused loop. Simplest way to do that is to splice in a new female cigarette lighter socket - behind the center console - off the main wiring harness leading to the existing lighter. Then plug an in-car micro USB charger into that female socket, wrap electrical tape around it to insulate and secure the connection, then run the charger lead out from behind the center console near a point where you situate the phone cradle/holder.
All of this is quite simple to do, if you don't go looking for the most complex solution.
My issue
Hi everyone, I have a Nexus 6P and want to route my audio through a USB type C converter to 3.5mm headphone Jack. I have purchased one online, but it doesn't seem to be working. I have seen that the Moto Z has this adapter and I assumed one I found online would be compatible with my 6P. The reason I want to do this is because I prefer for the AUX jack to come out the bottom of my phone.
What I have tired
Changed 'Select USB Configuration' to all the different options and tried playing music.
Tried 'audio routing' apps from the app store
What I would like to know
Is this because I need to change a setting in my phone to route music out of the USB C?
Do I need to get some kind of DAC to allow support for this?
Has anyone else tried this with their phone?
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If you don't mind my asking, why bother?
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If you don't mind my asking, why bother?
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One reason is that to me it makes more sense to put your phone upside down into you pocket. I've always done this at least. So when listening to music I have to put it the other way round. I have also heard the USB C port offers better sound quality.
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One reason is that to me it makes more sense to put your phone upside down into you pocket. I've always done this at least. So when listening to music I have to put it the other way round. I have also heard the USB C port offers better sound quality.
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Re:sound quality, you'd possibly see a quality increase if you use an external Digital to Analogue Converter or fully usb-c headphones. BUT, if you're using a little dongle (if it's possible), then the phone is still managing the analogue conversion and, thus, a very similar quality of audio output. Now I don't know of the 6p's ability to pipe it straight out iPhone 7 style through a dongle, but short of buying a DAC and going whole-hog on an audio upgrade, I'd just flip your phone the other way in your pocket and go the standard route.
Just my $.02
I have been looking for a solution to this too and I seem to have found one. I poked around on Amazon and I think I finally found adapters that work, here's the link https://goo.gl/QT2ith This the only one with positive reviews so when it comes in on the 30th I'll let all of you know.
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I have been looking for a solution to this too and I seem to have found one. I poked around on Amazon and I think I finally found adapters that work, here's the link https://goo.gl/QT2ith This the only one with positive reviews so when it comes in on the 30th I'll let all of you know.
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Looks quite similar to the one that I got. Hopefully it works for you! Let me know how it goes
I read recently that the current implementation of audio over USB-C isn't very efficient or battery friendly. There's a new spec being ratified to provide audio like the iphone can. Hopefully that's a firmware change and not a hardware one.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/17/12519936/intel-usb-type-c-headphone-jack-replacement-idf-2016
I don't think it's possible on the 6P, not without using a USB DAC anyway.
As far as I'm aware, the adapter you have is for a USB 3/3.1 interface. While the 6P has USB-C it is USB 2.
I'm able to get audio out of my USB C port, but it's with a USB headset. Haven't tried it with a 3.5mm headphone adapter, but havd no reason to try it either.
This is weird. Because i have a pair of Sennheiser Urbanites (Wireless edition), and i can use bluetooth, aux, and usb (like for a computer) audio. I once tried to turn off the headsets (bluetooth off, aux and usb still works if connected), and turned off bluetooth on my phone. Then i used my USB type C to USB type A Female adapter (from the google store), and connected the usb-cable from the headsets into the type c adapter. it did output audio through the usb-cable.
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This is weird. Because i have a pair of Sennheiser Urbanites (Wireless edition), and i can use bluetooth, aux, and usb (like for a computer) audio. I once tried to turn off the headsets (bluetooth off, aux and usb still works if connected), and turned off bluetooth on my phone. Then i used my USB type C to USB type A Female adapter (from the google store), and connected the usb-cable from the headsets into the type c adapter. it did output audio through the usb-cable.
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Bluetooth headphones usually have their own DAC, so the audio for all but the Aux is still being sent through the DAC first, which is supported by older USB standards.
The new USB 3.1 Audio standard can pass through analogue audio from the internal DAC, which is what I believe phones such as the Moto Z utilise. Otherwise the adapter would require it's own DAC, which would make it far larger and more expensive.
Not sure if you will find a good solution at the moment since they just created a standard for audio over usb c http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160927006252/en/USB-IF-Announces-USB-Audio-Device-Class-3.0
Did the amazon converter end up working for you?
My experience so far.
Hi, I ordered some usb c to 3.5mm & out of the box so far they aren't working. I tried Neutron and tried to force the audio to usb but unsuccessfully with phone not recognizing the USB connection.
On the other hand the type C to usb-a adapter worked beautifully using mixplorer. If I get working, will update. Thanks.
Hello to all. waiting for dac essential adapter to be released, what other dac could be paired with the phone? thank you. I use Google translate.
I've used the following with success on my Essential PH-1 (great sound quality): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LCFCBY4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I've used the following with success on my Essential PH-1 (great sound quality): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LCFCBY4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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thanks .
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I've used the following with success on my Essential PH-1 (great sound quality): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LCFCBY4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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pretty hefty price. thanks for posting.
Also, beware of the product. Recent customer comment suggests there is no more support from the company and they took everything down.
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pretty hefty price. thanks for posting.
Also, beware of the product. Recent customer comment suggests there is no more support from the company and they took everything down.
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Here are my USB DAC/BT adapters:
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Fiio BTR1 - Bluetooth Adapter (~$49) - uses AK4376 DAC/AMP. Warm, natural sound. Plenty of power for most IEMs, ear buds and most headphones. Uses AptX, AAC, BT 4.2
Sabaj DA2/SMSL Idea USB DAC (~$69-99) - uses ESS9018K2 DAC/AMP and XMOS USB. Very neutral, balanced sound, though a bit cold sounding. Comes with USB-C, MicroUSB and USB-A adapters.
Essential PH-1 Adapter - the one that comes in the box. It's surprisingly pretty good for a stock add-on. It has good power for most IEMs and buds. Doesnt have enough power for my planar headphones.
Google Pixel 2 Adapter - $9 - It's readily available and cheap. It doesnt provide as much power as the stock Essential adapter. It's thinner sounding because of this. Will probably work for most portable buds and IEMs but definitely not enough juice for more power hungry headphones.
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pretty hefty price. thanks for posting.
Also, beware of the product. Recent customer comment suggests there is no more support from the company and they took everything down.
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site works: https://www.nexum-design.com/aqua
I have a creative E5 DAC in my truck and an creative X7 limited edition on my desk both work great with all my phones honestly. Although most of the time I use them BT both work great USB too
Thanks! Very usefeul
minotauri said:
Here are my USB DAC/BT adapters:
Fiio BTR1 - Bluetooth Adapter (~$49) - uses AK4376 DAC/AMP. Warm, natural sound. Plenty of power for most IEMs, ear buds and most headphones. Uses AptX, AAC, BT 4.2
Sabaj DA2/SMSL Idea USB DAC (~$69-99) - uses ESS9018K2 DAC/AMP and XMOS USB. Very neutral, balanced sound, though a bit cold sounding. Comes with USB-C, MicroUSB and USB-A adapters.
Essential PH-1 Adapter - the one that comes in the box. It's surprisingly pretty good for a stock add-on. It has good power for most IEMs and buds. Doesnt have enough power for my planar headphones.
Google Pixel 2 Adapter - $9 - It's readily available and cheap. It doesnt provide as much power as the stock Essential adapter. It's thinner sounding because of this. Will probably work for most portable buds and IEMs but definitely not enough juice for more power hungry headphones.
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Thanks so much for posting this!
One few disappointments with the PH-1 aside from the well known camera issues has been the DAC issue. I find the Essential adapter to be clean, but even with a set of highly efficient IEMs (Shure 215s) the lack of power is quite noticeable. Today I also discovered another annoying quirk of the Essential adapter - with the volume level at 0, but a media player active you will here a rhythmic slow click.
For the heck of it I tried my ancient Fiio E07K Andes USB DAC with a collection of USB adapters. No luck. But this particular DAC has always been fussy about what Android phones it would work with. I did try running the PH-1 DAC through the analog amplifier on it and it was a noticeable improvement.
I had hoped to pick up the Google headphone adapter when it became available again, but now I think I'm going to pass thanks to your work.
I'd prefer something small and passive - I'm thinking about possibly trying the HTC Adapter. (Sorry first post - can't link - it's available on their US site for $11. My issue with it and all of the DACs that are from phone manufacturers is the ability or inability to push firmware. For example, the PH-1 pushed a firmware update to the DAC the first time I plugged it in.
TimboC2000 said:
Thanks so much for posting this!
One few disappointments with the PH-1 aside from the well known camera issues has been the DAC issue. I find the Essential adapter to be clean, but even with a set of highly efficient IEMs (Shure 215s) the lack of power is quite noticeable. Today I also discovered another annoying quirk of the Essential adapter - with the volume level at 0, but a media player active you will here a rhythmic slow click.
For the heck of it I tried my ancient Fiio E07K Andes USB DAC with a collection of USB adapters. No luck. But this particular DAC has always been fussy about what Android phones it would work with. I did try running the PH-1 DAC through the analog amplifier on it and it was a noticeable improvement.
I had hoped to pick up the Google headphone adapter when it became available again, but now I think I'm going to pass thanks to your work.
I'd prefer something small and passive - I'm thinking about possibly trying the HTC Adapter. (Sorry first post - can't link - it's available on their US site for $11. My issue with it and all of the DACs that are from phone manufacturers is the ability or inability to push firmware. For example, the PH-1 pushed a firmware update to the DAC the first time I plugged it in.
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I get the clicky sound using the Sabaj DA2 dac I posted about too. It's finicky on connection. I find that if I plug it in, press Play, it will click on initial play. Then remove and replug in, it'll work fine.
minotauri said:
I get the clicky sound using the Sabaj DA2 dac I posted about too. It's finicky on connection. I find that if I plug it in, press Play, it will click on initial play. Then remove and replug in, it'll work fine.
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I've noticed if you simply "wait it out" it will stop clicking most of the time as well.
On a related note I've been playing around trying to get better sound out of the DAC that comes with the PH-1. I've used Poweramp for years with good results. As a paid user you get access to his new Ver 3.0 beta. He has some features for USB DACs, but while decent I've found the Onkyo HF Player available on Google Play gives noticeably better results. The paid version has all kinds of options for upsampling and various formats. Even the free version sounds significantly better. I wish it had the UI and organizational options of Poweramp, however.
With the Onkyo App I was able to determine that the PH-1 DAC is made by Conexant. Conexant makes two USB-C DACs. Since the one in the Essential phone only samples to 48kHz it is most likely the cheapest one they make, the Conexant CX20985. (Article on AnandTech - "Conexant Introduces USB-C Digital Audio Compliant Chips" for more details. I don't have enough posts to link.)
does anyone know if Razer phone's DAC will work on the essential phone?
Hi all just received VIOTEX USB C earphones from Amazon and it's pretty good for $10 also it sounds good too.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06Z...l&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=viotex+usb.
If that helps anyone but no mic for phone call.
picked up this for use connecting the phone to my car stereo: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076BKRX1N/
works just fine. Just got this phone a week ago on the sprint deal, like it so far. Coming from a Nexus 5X so I do miss the 3.5mm jack.
Just bought this:
USB C to 3.5mm Pixel 2 / HTC Noise Cancelling Jack External Audio Stereo Cable Universal, LIOOTECH Type C to 3.5mm Adapter with DAC Chipset inside for Google Pixel 2/XL, Essential PH-1, LG, HTC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0778QKKFJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_Jw2lAbGGH1YS2
Says it will work with the PH-1. Will report back after I test.
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does anyone know if Razer phone's DAC will work on the essential phone?
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People on Reddit says it doesn't work
EDIT: Those people were wrong. It should work.
minotauri said:
Here are my USB DAC/BT adapters:
From Left to Right:
Fiio BTR1 - Bluetooth Adapter (~$49) - uses AK4376 DAC/AMP. Warm, natural sound. Plenty of power for most IEMs, ear buds and most headphones. Uses AptX, AAC, BT 4.2
Sabaj DA2/SMSL Idea USB DAC (~$69-99) - uses ESS9018K2 DAC/AMP and XMOS USB. Very neutral, balanced sound, though a bit cold sounding. Comes with USB-C, MicroUSB and USB-A adapters.
Essential PH-1 Adapter - the one that comes in the box. It's surprisingly pretty good for a stock add-on. It has good power for most IEMs and buds. Doesnt have enough power for my planar headphones.
Google Pixel 2 Adapter - $9 - It's readily available and cheap. It doesnt provide as much power as the stock Essential adapter. It's thinner sounding because of this. Will probably work for most portable buds and IEMs but definitely not enough juice for more power hungry headphones.
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Do you know if any of these adapters might work with a Paypal Here reader or ELF emmit? The stock one doesn't.
I can also confirm that Pixel 2 Adapter works, but it is only recognized at 48kHz. This means many of my music files are re-sampled. OTH, the DAC that comes with the Essential phone recognizes multiple sample rates including 44.1kHz so no re-sampling. I'll be curious about how the LIOOTECH works!
Good news - I just found the thread on Reddit - Razer DAC appears to be working. It was user error - the headphone plug wasn't fully seated in the adapter.
12paq said:
Just bought this:
USB C to 3.5mm Pixel 2 / HTC Noise Cancelling Jack External Audio Stereo Cable Universal, LIOOTECH Type C to 3.5mm Adapter with DAC Chipset inside for Google Pixel 2/XL, Essential PH-1, LG, HTC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0778QKKFJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_Jw2lAbGGH1YS2
Says it will work with the PH-1. Will report back after I test.
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How's it working for you? Is it worth it for about $18 dollars?
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How's it working for you? Is it worth it for about $18 dollars?
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It works great. However, I bought it during a flash sale and got it for $12.95.
Sabaj DA3
I can also confirm the Sabaj DA3 works as well.
It's a bit big and bulky. I bought for use with a HTPC, but it was easy enough to plug in to check with the PH-1. I still don't have enough posts add a link unfortunately.
I also managed to force reboot the PH-1 with it using the Onkyo HF player and up-converting to DSD 512 format. It was rather interesting - happened as soon as I got an email and the phone vibrated. Not sure if it was power related or the OS thought the phone was pegged at 100% and forced a restart. Have had zero issues with simple PCM up-converting or bit-streaming.
I may get the Razer one. I don't mind using the one that came with my phone but I want one that will have a bit better audio quality than the stock one not to say that the audio isn't good from it
I am having this issue with the Third Party Type C Headphone
I have bought 2 different brands of Headphone and they are not working at all in my Galaxy Note 10+
does anyone have the same issue as me?
It pissed me, because Samsung ditch the headphone Jack and now they have restricted third party accessories
what a petty move..... I'm seriously pissed because of this issue
can someone, anybody, help me with this issue?
k31k0ku said:
I am having this issue with the Third Party Type C Headphone
I have bought 2 different brands of Headphone and they are not working in my Galaxy Note 10+
does anyone have the same issue as me?
It pissed me, because Samsung ditch the headphone Jack and now they have restricted third party accessories
what a petty move..... I'm seriously pissed because of this issue
can someone, anybody, help me with this issue?
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Sure -
The signal used for traditional speakers (including tiny ones in earbuds) use an analog electrical signal which as it fluctuates through a coil of wires, causes a magnet in the middle of that coil to move back and forth. A flat funnel-shaped cone attached to that magnet also moves and forth and the way it moves the air creates the sound. This analog signal (which looks like a wave) is very inefficient for transmitting or storage in electronics. Therefore information (as well as sound) is handled as a digital (meaning on/off only rather than a fluctuating (analog) signal).
So somewhere in between the sound (analog) and the source of it (digital) is always a very simple electrical circuit called a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter).
The earbuds that come with the phone in this case accept a digital signal at the connection point and actually already include a DAC somewhere before the tiny speakers that play into your ears. Essentially without realizing it, your expectation was that the DAC was already in the phone circuitry somewhere before it reaches the jack into which you are plugging your earbuds (most earbuds do not have a DAC and the two you tried do not either).
This situation annoyed me too, I am one of those folks that wanted to keep the 3.5mm headphone jack.
However, these DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) circuits are very tiny - and cheap too!
So, I was looking for an adapter/splitter that would let you plug in both a 3.5mm headphone jack AND a USB Type C cable from a charger. I also bought an in-line meter which allows you to measure the power being fed into the phone to make sure any third-party charging related accessories are providing the correct power to the phone for fast charging. I did not know these even existed until recently. You really have to have it because the new high speed and high power charging standard - which is further complicated because Samsung adds a slight twist of their own to the standard - requires a special kind of conversation between the charger and the phone being charged. Most older (even high quality) cables won't work properly with it, and you phone will charge with this - but only MUCH more slowly! I will leave a link to the meter for you below. I bought two different dongles/splitters but returned them because the power they supplied to the phone was lame to say the least. Then, I stopped looking - because Samsung posted a warning that they may damage the phone or earphones with high-powered chargers going through such dongles. That announcement was on the Samsung Members app which everyone should install from the Galaxy Store. See the attached pictures of the warning.
There is an adapter (USB Type C to 3.5mm Stereo) offered by Samsung but when I looked they only had white. I bought this instead in black - very heavy duty braided cable - and it works perfectly. Therefore - this adapter includes a DAC - which is compatible:
USB-C to 3.5mm Headphone Jack Adapter, USB Type-C to 3.5mm Adapter Nylon Cable [DAC Hi-Res] Compatible with iPad Pro New 2018,Pixle 2/XL/3,HTC,Samsung S8/S9/Note 8 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RMY3V9D/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_6I7EDb2JHJA9J
Here is the meter you need (I will include some photos of the meter as well because for a small amount of money it really is an amazing device!):
MakerHawk USB Power Meter, TC66 USB Tester Type C USB Voltage Meter and Current Tester, 0.96 Inch IPS Color LCD Display Power Tester Multimeter PD Ammeter Voltmeter QC 2.0 3.0 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NXRPNPR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_gY7EDbMG2NHRX
Man, I am such a geek... LOL! I hope this helps!
P.S. - if you do want to just buy other earbuds without any adapter needed - just be sure they include a DAC and you should be good to go!View attachment 4819058View attachment 4819059
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to add to that, I recommend getting the official C to 3.5mm adapter from Samsung.Major manufacturer most likely has better DAC and circuity than one from Amazon.
this one https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/m.../usb-c-headphone-jack-adapter-ee-uc10juwegus/
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to add to that, I recommend getting the official C to 3.5mm adapter from Samsung.Major manufacturer most likely has better DAC and circuity than one from Amazon.
this one https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/m.../usb-c-headphone-jack-adapter-ee-uc10juwegus/
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Yes but they only had them in white and the one I ordered (link above) also works well...
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Sure -
The signal used for traditional speakers (including tiny ones in earbuds) use an analog electrical signal which as it fluctuates through a coil of wires, causes a magnet in the middle of that coil to move back and forth. A flat funnel-shaped cone attached to that magnet also moves and forth and the way it moves the air creates the sound. This analog signal (which looks like a wave) is very inefficient for transmitting or storage in electronics. Therefore information (as well as sound) is handled as a digital (meaning on/off only rather than a fluctuating (analog) signal).
So somewhere in between the sound (analog) and the source of it (digital) is always a very simple electrical circuit called a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter).
The earbuds that come with the phone in this case accept a digital signal at the connection point and actually already include a DAC somewhere before the tiny speakers that play into your ears. Essentially without realizing it, your expectation was that the DAC was already in the phone circuitry somewhere before it reaches the jack into which you are plugging your earbuds (most earbuds do not have a DAC and the two you tried do not either).
This situation annoyed me too, I am one of those folks that wanted to keep the 3.5mm headphone jack.
However, these DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) circuits are very tiny - and cheap too!
So, I was looking for an adapter/splitter that would let you plug in both a 3.5mm headphone jack AND a USB Type C cable from a charger. I also bought an in-line meter which allows you to measure the power being fed into the phone to make sure any third-party charging related accessories are providing the correct power to the phone for fast charging. I did not know these even existed until recently. You really have to have it because the new high speed and high power charging standard - which is further complicated because Samsung adds a slight twist of their own to the standard - requires a special kind of conversation between the charger and the phone being charged. Most older (even high quality) cables won't work properly with it, and you phone will charge with this - but only MUCH more slowly! I will leave a link to the meter for you below. I bought two different dongles/splitters but returned them because the power they supplied to the phone was lame to say the least. Then, I stopped looking - because Samsung posted a warning that they may damage the phone or earphones with high-powered chargers going through such dongles. That announcement was on the Samsung Members app which everyone should install from the Galaxy Store. See the attached pictures of the warning.
There is an adapter (USB Type C to 3.5mm Stereo) offered by Samsung but when I looked they only had white. I bought this instead in black - very heavy duty braided cable - and it works perfectly. Therefore - this adapter includes a DAC - which is compatible:
USB-C to 3.5mm Headphone Jack Adapter, USB Type-C to 3.5mm Adapter Nylon Cable [DAC Hi-Res] Compatible with iPad Pro New 2018,Pixle 2/XL/3,HTC,Samsung S8/S9/Note 8 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RMY3V9D/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_6I7EDb2JHJA9J
Here is the meter you need (I will include some photos of the meter as well because for a small amount of money it really is an amazing device!):
MakerHawk USB Power Meter, TC66 USB Tester Type C USB Voltage Meter and Current Tester, 0.96 Inch IPS Color LCD Display Power Tester Multimeter PD Ammeter Voltmeter QC 2.0 3.0 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NXRPNPR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_gY7EDbMG2NHRX
Man, I am such a geek... LOL! I hope this helps!
P.S. - if you do want to just buy other earbuds without any adapter needed - just be sure they include a DAC and you should be good to go!View attachment 4819058View attachment 4819059View attachment 4819068View attachment 4819072View attachment 4819075View attachment 4819076
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Thanks for your detailed explanation. It helped me after 3 years. I just bought a new Note 10 plus.
Strange, I have a Note 10+ and I got some skullcandy headphones that are usb c and they work perfect.