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Does the Nexus 5 support the correct Verizon bands? I have read and cannot find a definite answer. Any help would be awesome!
sk8boy204 said:
Does the Nexus 5 support the correct Verizon bands? I have read and cannot find a definite answer. Any help would be awesome!
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Officially the N5 does not support Verizon explicitly, it may work but that is dependent on Verizon allowing you to activate the phone on their network. you can try but there are no guarantees. Personally i wouldn't hold my breath in anticipation.
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sk8boy204 said:
Does the Nexus 5 support the correct Verizon bands? I have read and cannot find a definite answer. Any help would be awesome!
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CDMA bands, which is used for voice capabilites and 3G data: No. The Nexus 5 supports CDMA bands 0, 1, and 10. Verizon uses 2 and 5.
EDIT: It looks like my cross-referencing led me astray. Verizon and Sprint use the same 3G frequencies, Band 0 and 1, at 850 MHz and 1900 MHz, respectively. The Nexus 5 supports CDMA bands 0, 1, and 10. In theory, assuming you can get Verizon to sign off on it, it might actually be possible.
LTE bands, which is used for....LTE data: Yes, but it's very very limited. The Nexus 5 supports bands 1, 2, 4, 5, 17, 19, 25, 26 , and 41. Verizon mainly uses band 13, but is slowly rolling out band 4 support, but the odds are it won't be in your area right now, and the roll-out is slow.
EDIT: Again, more research suggests that through firmware editing, it might be possible to enable band 13 LTE on the Nexus 5. This is due to the Snapdragon 800 having band 13 support. It would be along the lines of enabling band 4 LTE support on the Nexus 4 (although we had official legacy radios that supported it, so we had something to go off of).
Besides: look at how Verizon is handling the activations of the Nexus 7 deb ("mobile version," if you will). They won't officially activate them, so you have to activate another device on their network and plug that SIM card into the N7, essentially working around them.
So, in short, no it's possible I would not buy this phone if you are locked to Verizon. My advice? Ditch Verizon ASAP. Not just for the phone, but because they are a shady company that blocks competition, among other things.
Johmama said:
CDMA bands, which is used for voice capabilites and 3G data: No. The Nexus 5 supports CDMA bands 0, 1, and 10. Verizon uses 2 and 5.
LTE bands, which is used for....LTE data: Yes, but it's very very limited. The Nexus 5 supports bands 1, 2, 4, 5, 17, 19, 25, 26 , and 41. Verizon mainly uses band 13, but is slowly rolling out band 4 support, but the odds are it won't be in your area right now, and the roll-out is slow.
Besides: look at how Verizon is handling the activations of the Nexus 7 deb ("mobile version," if you will). They won't officially activate them, so you have to activate another device on their network and plug that SIM card into the N7, essentially working around them.
So, in short, no. I would not buy this phone if you are locked to Verizon. My advice? Ditch Verizon ASAP. Not just for the phone, but because they are a shady company that blocks competition, among other things.
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Where do you find info about cdma bands for Verizon? Thx
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equake said:
Where do you find info about cdma bands for Verizon? Thx
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My good ol' friend Wikipedia:
Cellular frequencies by company
Cross-referenced with UMTS frequency bands to get the operating band
And finally, the LTE bands by company
And here for the specs on the Nexus 5
I am sad.
Damn, thank you for the reply!
Johmama said:
My good ol' friend Wikipedia:
Cellular frequencies by company
Cross-referenced with UMTS frequency bands to get the operating band
And finally, the LTE bands by company
And here for the specs on the Nexus 5
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From the chart Both Sprint and VZW uses the same 3G FRQ only different Voice FRQ but each carrier can ride the Voice on the 3G bands so conceivably it can still work.
My 2 cents
Johmama said:
CDMA bands, which is used for voice capabilites and 3G data: No. The Nexus 5 supports CDMA bands 0, 1, and 10. Verizon uses 2 and 5.
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I thought that Verizon uses bands 0 and 1 for CDMA. Well I got the information from Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Wireless#Radio_Frequency_Summary so I guess it could be wrong.
But Sprint devices can roam on Verizon's network, so that means that the Nexus 5 will be able to connect to a Verizon CDMA tower. The only problem is getting it to comemct to Verizon, and we still don't know what will happen when we pop an already active Verizon SIM card into the Nexus 5 yet.
equake said:
From the chart Both Sprint and VZW uses the same 3G FRQ only different Voice FRQ but each carrier can ride the Voice on the 3G bands so conceivably it can still work.
My 2 cents
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This is my understanding as well. you should be able to roam on verizon through sprint.
jack584 said:
I thought that Verizon uses bands 0 and 1 for CDMA. Well I got the information from Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Wireless#Radio_Frequency_Summary so I guess it could be wrong.
But Sprint devices can roam on Verizon's network, so that means that the Nexus 5 will be able to connect to a Verizon CDMA tower. The only problem is getting it to comemct to Verizon, and we still don't know what will happen when we pop an already active Verizon SIM card into the Nexus 5 yet.
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Just because some sprint devices can roam on Verizon, doesn't mean ALL can. Every phone doesn't have the exact same frequency bands. That said, I would Imagine any newer cdma phone will be able to ride both verizon and sprint CDMA networks.
^^^ this. And for all we know band 13 LTE is supported by the hardware, just not by a Google that has a soured relationship with big red.
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geebdroid said:
^^^ this. And for all we know band 13 LTE is supported by the hardware, just not by a Google that has a soured relationship with big red.
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All LTE bands are supported by the baseband IP in the Snapdragon but it depends on the FW.
Activation of course is another story ie Nexus 7 LTE. Preactive SIMs should work but its up to VZW to accept it on their towers.
Well I can still hope. I'm on contact with Verizon until February and I'm about ready to kill my GNex. And I can't just go pay full price for a phone. Too much money, but the Nexus 5 is actually reasonable without contract. That's why I want it so bad.
And even when my contract is up, I can't switch, because everybody else is on my family plan. And I can't just go to T-Mobile $30 unlimited prepaid because there is no T-Mobile coverage at my house. (So frustrating, my housing development has towers for all the other three carriers, but when T-Mobile got their tower approved, the STUPID school people and parents got it blocked because it was within 1500 ft of the school. Like seriously I hate those people who appealed that, but that's another argument) And AT&T is too expensive for a single line. And Sprint just flat out sucks.
So I'll be on Verizon for a while, unless they can fight off those school people and get their tower built.
jack584 said:
Well I can still hope. I'm on contact with Verizon until February and I'm about ready to kill my GNex. And I can't just go pay full price for a phone. Too much money, but the Nexus 5 is actually reasonable without contract. That's why I want it so bad.
And even when my contract is up, I can't switch, because everybody else is on my family plan. And I can't just go to T-Mobile $30 unlimited prepaid because there is no T-Mobile coverage at my house. (So frustrating, my housing development has towers for all the other three carriers, but when T-Mobile got their tower approved, the STUPID school people and parents got it blocked because it was within 1500 ft of the school. Like seriously I hate those people who appealed that, but that's another argument) And AT&T is too expensive for a single line. And Sprint just flat out sucks.
So I'll be on Verizon for a while, unless they can fight off those school people and get their tower built.
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if you want other options, I've had lots of luck buying phones on Swappa.
If Verizon said yes, how would the non-LTE part of the phone know which network to hook up with? WithSprint and Verizon phones, they go automatically to their own network when activating. Would different CDMA networks pop up like with a GSM phone?
Has anyone with a Verizon data sim try and drop it into the LTE model yet?
Curious if it picks up a data signal.
Hitman3984 said:
Has anyone with a Verizon data sim try and drop it into the LTE model yet?
Curious if it picks up a data signal.
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I've not tried it, but I read that the modem does not support the Verizon LTE bands.
cam30era said:
I've not tried it, but I read that the modem does not support the Verizon LTE bands.
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was worth a shot
Hitman3984 said:
was worth a shot
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When I scanned for networks while playing around, I noticed that it did find the Verizon (4G) network. Obviously, I have no idea if it works as I'm on T-Mobile, but I thought I'd let you know.
mikeyadon said:
When I scanned for networks while playing around, I noticed that it did find the Verizon (4G) network. Obviously, I have no idea if it works as I'm on T-Mobile, but I thought I'd let you know.
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Looking at the specs it "APPEARS" two supported bands are there? The whole thing is annoying honestly, especially when Verizon won't allow an actual activation so you need an active data sim to try.
Confirmed
Verizon sim card does not work. Just got mine today, popped in my Verizon card from my note 2 and it doesn't even recognize the carrier.
A network scan (for my area) only shows at&t and t-mobile.
First the nexus 5 and now this. It's really starting to such to be on Verizon ...
It would only support AWS LTE on Verizon (what they call XLTE). It doesn't support Verizon's primary LTE band, which is Band 13. And AFAIK Verizon hasn't deployed LTE on PCS.
AFAIK there are three makes of the shield tablet
npaladin2000 said:
It would only support AWS LTE on Verizon (what they call XLTE). It doesn't support Verizon's primary LTE band, which is Band 13. And AFAIK Verizon hasn't deployed LTE on PCS.
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May want to check this out just got it from the shield tablet site - just putting this here so anyone who finds this thread also finds the relevant data
There are three versions of SHIELD tablet LTE. There is a North American version that works on AT&T, T-Mobile and Rogers on LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 7, and 17 and HSPA bands 1, 2, 4, 5.
There is a second International version that works on popular European and Asian networks. It supports LTE bands 3, 7, 20 and HSPA+ bands 1, 2, 5, 8.
Check with your favorite store/carrier to verify coverage in your area and as to what device variant you'll ACTUALLY be getting
That being said Verizon uses these bands AFAIK 13(700 MHz Block C) and 4(1700/2100 MHz AWS) for LTE(XLTE for the latter) and 0 and 1 for 3G (1xRTT/EV-DO/eHRPD) - so the only chance of using it is on band 4 - and that will only happen if the devices radio can use the AWS network which i suppose is possible AND the tower in your area having XLTE support - will just need to see - guess i wont know till i get it since they have XLTE in my town, or it could have a snowballs chance in heck or only work after a soft update..ill post an update on what happens
CodieRae said:
May want to check this out just got it from the shield tablet site - just putting this here so anyone who finds this thread also finds the relevant data
There are three versions of SHIELD tablet LTE. There is a North American version that works on AT&T, T-Mobile and Rogers on LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 7, and 17 and HSPA bands 1, 2, 4, 5.
There is a second International version that works on popular European and Asian networks. It supports LTE bands 3, 7, 20 and HSPA+ bands 1, 2, 5, 8.
Check with your favorite store/carrier to verify coverage in your area and as to what device variant you'll ACTUALLY be getting
That being said Verizon uses these bands AFAIK 13(700 MHz Block C) and 4(1700/2100 MHz AWS) for LTE(XLTE for the latter) and 0 and 1 for 3G (1xRTT/EV-DO/eHRPD) - so the only chance of using it is on band 4 - and that will only happen if the devices radio can use the AWS network which i suppose is possible AND the tower in your area having XLTE support - will just need to see - guess i wont know till i get it since they have XLTE in my town, or it could have a snowballs chance in heck or only work after a soft update..ill post an update on what happens
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Did you have any luck with Verizon?
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Did you have any luck with Verizon? I'm thinking about purchasing one.
Hi, I have a 64gb OPO in USA on Straight Talk, using AT&T network. For some reason I'm not able to get an LTE signal in Burlington, Vermont area despite LTE service being available locally. As soon as I cross into New York, New Jersey, or other states I can and do receive LTE signal, so I know my device and Sim card are capable. Others have told me AT&T uses an unconventional LTE band in this area because they took over another carrier called Unicel. What I need help determining is what band they use locally and subsequently which radio I need to flash to get LTE on that band. Currently my battery drains fast constantly switching from hspa to hspa+, yet doesn't do so in other cities and states. Any help, and links are greatly appreciated.
The OPO hardware LTE bands are: 1, 3, 4, 7, 17, 38 and 40. ATT US uses bands: 2, 4, 5, 17. So, if your ATT LTE signal is on 2 or 5 you won't get LTE in that area on your OPO. The bands are a hardware limitation of the OPO and can't be unlocked, as some people have tried in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56577252&postcount=455.
Are the bands on both the same or different. The Verizon Pixel XL seems to be lacking band 7, 12,17 26, 29, 30. Verizon has a habit of blocking essential bands so they don't work on LTE with other carriers in North America such as ATT and Tmobile. Can someone confirm? Thanks.
zboy2 said:
Are the bands on both the same or different. The Verizon Pixel XL seems to be lacking band 7, 12,17 26, 29, 30. Verizon has a habit of blocking essential bands so they don't work on LTE with other carriers in North America such as ATT and Tmobile. Can someone confirm? Thanks.
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All VZW LTE phones are carrier unlocked. Most of these phones have bands to work on TMO and ATT. My son used a VZW Note 3 for a few years on TMO. The VZW Pixel should have all the same bands as the Google Store version. We'll find out in a few days but I'd bet you'll be fine.
Yes all of us know verizon phones are UNLOCKED. But they DONT have ALL THE BANDS that ATT and Tmobile use. The note 3 has band 4 and 13 and lacks band 17 and 12 so if you have ATT and tmobile where they use band 12 or 17 it will revert TO 3G SPEEDS. I use ATT And VZW . If I am buying the VZW model i want FULL FUNCTIONALITY OF ALL THE BANDS that the google store Pixel xl offers. NOT THE HALF ASSED with BANDS MISSING NOTE 3 or Samsung esque like versions.
google store pixel lte bands: FDD LTE: B 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30 TDD LTE 41
VZW pixel LTE BANDS 2,3,4,5,7, 13, 20,28 Missing BANDS 1,8, 12, 17, 25,26,29 and 30.
zboy2 said:
Yes all of us know verizon phones are UNLOCKED. But they DONT have ALL THE BANDS that ATT and Tmobile use. The note 3 has band 4 and 13 and lacks band 17 and 12 so if you have ATT and tmobile where they use band 12 or 17 it will revert TO 3G SPEEDS. I use ATT And VZW . If I am buying the VZW model i want FULL FUNCTIONALITY OF ALL THE BANDS that the google store Pixel xl offers. NOT THE HALF ASSED with BANDS MISSING NOTE 3 or Samsung esque like versions.
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Thanks for that but do you realize 3 years ago TMO didn't use band 12 in Chicago let alone anywhere because they didn't own the spectrum so that's a non issue. Around here TMO primary LTE band is still 4. Three years ago the VZW Note 3 worked perfectly w/ TMO, ATT I don't care about since I nver use them. The VZW Pixel will have all bands, to change that they need a different radio which isn't going to happen since Google is in charge of the software not to mention the hardware is the same for both, wait 3 days we'll see for sure.
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zboy2 said:
google store pixel lte bands: FDD LTE: B 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/29/30 TDD LTE 41
VZW pixel LTE BANDS 2,3,4,5,7, 13, 20,28 Missing BANDS 1,8, 12, 17, 25,26,29 and 30.
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Won't happen, I'd bet on it. They will be the same, VZW is known for lying a little.
They DONT need different chipsets or hardware for different bands. I am in the hardware industry. You can have the same chipset and lock different bands via different firmware. The qualcomm chips allow for that.
Can someone please confirm this? I am in the same boat as the OP. Want to use ATT Band 12/17 on the VZW model Pixel. I had to flash AT&T firmware onto my Verizon Galaxy S7 Edge in order to unlock these LTE bands. Hoping that since this is a more "vanilla" phone it may have the bands unlocked already.
I was wondering about this as well. I was going to just go to Verizon store and buy it since they have Pixel XL in stock but I am not sure if it has Band 12 for T-Mobile. Any information on this would help! Thanks guys!
Doesnt seem to be good news some guy on the pixel xl forum used att sim with the verizon pixel and only getting H+ speed. So lets see. Dont believe the PC mag article one bit. They said the boot loader was unlocked but turned out to be LOCKED.
Hi all! I've been a lurker for a while now and have been appreciative of all of the progress that has been made with flashing firmware on the Galaxy S8+ in order to take say a Verizon phone and make it completely usable on T-Mobile without the bloatware from Verizon (or from any carrier).
I'm posting today because I was hoping to learn a little more on how to determine which LTE Bands have been unlocked after flashing firmware on a Galaxy S8+ that was originally a Verizon device that is now being used on T-Mobile.
This link was helpful: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/how-to/how-to-verify-t-mobile-services-wifi-t3612996
Was wondering if there was any other way to make sure that the T-Mobile bands that needed to be unlocked were unlocked as required with the flashing of firmware. The firmware was acquired from sammobile.com with these details:
Download the firmware for the SM-G955U1 with product code USC from USA. This firmware has version number PDA G955U1UEU1AQDC and CSC G955U1OYM1AQDC. The operating system of this firmware is Android 7, with build date Thu, 27 Apr 2017 10:19:22 +0000. Security patch date is 2017-04-01, with changelist 11247461.
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After dialing: *#2263#
I do see here that the following band elements are present:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
WCDMA: 1, 2, 4, 5,
TDS: A, F
LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 18, 19 20, 25, 26, 28, 39, 40, 41, 66, 252, 255
Does this mean that these are all enabled and available for the network to choose from?
blastississimo said:
After dialing: *#2263#
I do see here that the following band elements are present:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
WCDMA: 1, 2, 4, 5,
TDS: A, F
LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 18, 19 20, 25, 26, 28, 39, 40, 41, 66, 252, 255
Does this mean that these are all enabled and available for the network to choose from?
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Good question just tried this on my tmobile g955u that has not been flashed yet and see the same info.
drlj78 said:
Good question just tried this on my tmobile g955u that has not been flashed yet and see the same info.
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Ah, one thing I forgot to add was that I had flashed the Verizon phone with my tmobile simcard present in the phone. It went through a process where it configured the phone based on the simcard present. Not sure if this is normal when an unlocked Galaxy S8+ is activated, but this behavior was unique because I did not experience this when I inserted the tmobile simcard into the verizon phone prior to flashing the firmware.
I know the US unlocked version from Samsung has the band 17 band, Att still uses band 17 in my area where I work and when I had the ATT version, I was always missing text messages and when i sent them my wife would only get half of them, so when i did some research looks like ATT did away with the Band 17 in ATT version of the S8+, so i went back to my Note 5 that`s has the band 17 in it and problem went away, so I have the US version unlocked coming tomorrow so well see if it works any better than the S8+ ATT version
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2003vstrom said:
I know the US unlocked version from Samsung has the band 17 band, Att still uses band 17 in my area where I work and when I had the ATT version, I was always missing text messages and when i sent them my wife would only get half of them, so when i did some research looks like ATT did away with the Band 17 in ATT version of the S8+, so i went back to my Note 5 that`s has the band 17 in it and problem went away, so I have the US version unlocked coming tomorrow so well see if it works any better than the S8+ ATT version
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Is there a difference between the "U" version and "U1" version... I usually buy the international "F" version but unfortunately this year it wasn't possible... So anyway it's supposed to be unlocked but don't know if it can be rooted
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Strange that band 17 is not enabled on the USA unlocked firmware.
Band 12 on phones allows you to use band 17 on AT&T. Band 17 is 700 kHz block B and C, band 12 is 700mhz blocks A, B, and C.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/at-t-achieves-interability-700-mhz-band
https://www.google.com.bh/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/40eodh/band_12_vs_band_17/
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Strange that band 17 is not enabled on the USA unlocked firmware.
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I'm on G955U1 firmware. Tmobile flashed I have band 17.
does the att gs8 version supports band 66?
2003vstrom said:
I know the US unlocked version from Samsung has the band 17 band, Att still uses band 17 in my area where I work and when I had the ATT version, I was always missing text messages and when i sent them my wife would only get half of them, so when i did some research looks like ATT did away with the Band 17 in ATT version of the S8+, so i went back to my Note 5 that`s has the band 17 in it and problem went away, so I have the US version unlocked coming tomorrow so well see if it works any better than the S8+ ATT version
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AT&T's started to use Band 12 to connect both B17 and B12 devices from their towers in order to help roaming functionality between Tmobile and AT&T.
The Compare page at GSMarena website shows the bands of most versions of most common smartphones. B&H Photo does too. Note: Occasionally it is necessary to search for the phone version using its code, e.g. G955U, rather than its common name, to find it, but often the common name and version name (e.g. Sprint) suffice.
Also, I noticed that a version for the carrier called US Cellular reportedly had the same bands as an unlocked phone, at least according to gsmarena. Which means that version would be well suited for use with any of the major carriers.
All the us phones have and can use any of the bands it lists in specs. May need to flash a different carrier firmware to enable possible disabled bands. But I haven't seen any disabled. At least ony Xfinity mobile on Verizon towers