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After seeing the Epic 4G (I bought one with a broken ESN and shipped it to Canada), and several of other Galaxy S phones, I noted something. They were pretty lightweight, but battery life was unimpressive.
The Epic is not alone, and there are lots of Android phones that seem to suffer from poor battery life. The Evo was also notorious for bad battery life, as is the newer Desire HD. It begs the question - why don't manufacturers add a bigger battery stock? It would be an enormous selling point, battery life that rivals Blackberry or low-end Symbian phones. Plus, with the new "thin" and "lightweight" trend going on, there is room to add more batteries.
Price certainly isn't an issue; these are flagships going for like $500-$600; what's the extra $20 for a bigger battery? I'm pretty sure that customers would be willing to pay that to double their battery life. So why don't they? They know quite well that customers complain about it.
I agree wholeheartedly.
I mean, Samsung in particular has no problem doing this - their Super AMOLED devices are extremely thin and light for their screensize. They could easily make it ~2 inches thicker and ~30 grams heavier and stick a 2600-3000 mAh battery in there. It would also offset the "cheap build quality" feeling that some users get when they grasp a very light phone made of plastic.
there is no one size fit's all solution to this.
some people like the thinness and can work around the potential battery life issues. and unless you're really hammering the phone most of them will last an entire day.
for everyone else they can offer a thicker battery and cover.
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They could easily make it ~2 inches thicker and ~30 grams heavier
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you didnt really think that through before you pressed 'post' did you? nobody here would be into a 2" thick phone.
The point remains that with a day's worth of heavy usage, these newer phones just can't handle it.
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The point remains that with a day's worth of heavy usage, these newer phones just can't handle it.
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My Vibrant does just fine handling it.
I agree with you sauron! Every phone should have at least 2000 mAh battery. That would be only 1 or 2 mm more thickness of the whole phone, but much more usable. Today's smartphones die to quickly. My nokia E72 manages two days of some extreme usage, i wish I could say the same for some of the 3,7 inch smartphones..
Phones don't include 3000mah+ batteries to cut down on weight and thickness. I do find it weird that larger screen phones (HD2, HD7, Evo) have a smaller battery than phones with smaller screens like the Droid Incredible and HTC Hero.
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My Vibrant does just fine handling it.
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No it doesn't.
Anderdroid said:
My Vibrant does just fine handling it.
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Only with moderate use.
The point is that we shouldn't have to resort to custom kernels, cutting services like GPS to get one day's battery. This would not require a lot of change - just a slightly bigger phone. I'd pay a bit extra willingly for, say double battery life.
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you didnt really think that through before you pressed 'post' did you? nobody here would be into a 2" thick phone.
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Just to set things straight, I meant 2 millimeters thicker. If only America could get with the times and start using SI, I wouldn't be making these mistakes
Battery juice is something essential
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I agree with you sauron! Every phone should have at least 2000 mAh battery. That would be only 1 or 2 mm more thickness of the whole phone, but much more usable. Today's smartphones die to quickly. My nokia E72 manages two days of some extreme usage, i wish I could say the same for some of the 3,7 inch smartphones..
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yup more battery life is always good and getting some extra thickness and weight for improved battery is not a bad trade-off...
I've never had any battery problems with my EVO.
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Personally my backflip (running 2.1 update 1), wifi on half the day and moderate it lasts a full day, if that. I would certainly sacrifice "2mm" thickness for double the battery, if it were that little of a difference... The backflip is already a thick phone due to its doubled over design but I wouldn't mind a little thicker, usually, for that added battery life.
Should I try slim extended battery on my new Galaxy S5 G900T? My friend who owns one for his Note 3 from MPJ said it has a bit more power but still fit the original back. How do they get more power in the same size? I don’t expect it is 4300mAh, but at least last 2-3 hrs longer. Maybe I should try it out myself…
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Should I try slim extended battery on my new Galaxy S5 G900T? My friend who owns one for his Note 3 from MPJ said it has a bit more power but still fit the original back. How do they get more power in the same size? I don’t expect it is 4300mAh, but at least last 2-3 hrs longer. Maybe I should try it out myself…
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This shouldn't be a difficult question to reason out for yourself. Do you really think if it was possible to cram 4300mAh into a battery of the same size, Samsung, one of the world's leading tech companies, would be total retards and use a battery with 30% less juice in their flagship phone? use your brain ffs!
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This shouldn't be a difficult question to reason out for yourself. Do you really think if it was possible to cram 4300mAh into a battery of the same size, Samsung, one of the world's leading tech companies, would be total retards and use a battery with 30% less juice in their flagship phone? use your brain ffs!
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and your a likeable guy huh?........... Your so smart your must be an Aerospace Engineer... he was asking a basic question... and BTW..YES... The 3200mAh battery on Ebay lasts longer..So Samsung could have done better but..... They don't make it max capacity in hopes that people will buy extra batteries from them. Be nice and not mean to people asking basic questions.. your a senior member so please act like it.
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and your a likeable guy huh?........... Your so smart your must be an Aerospace Engineer... he was asking a basic question... and BTW..YES... The 3200mAh battery on Ebay lasts longer..So Samsung could have done better but..... They don't make it max capacity in hopes that people will buy extra batteries from them. Be nice and not mean to people asking basic questions.. your a senior member so please act like it.
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I agree :good: :good: :good:
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This shouldn't be a difficult question to reason out for yourself. Do you really think if it was possible to cram 4300mAh into a battery of the same size, Samsung, one of the world's leading tech companies, would be total retards and use a battery with 30% less juice in their flagship phone? use your brain ffs!
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Actually its more than 50% more capacity, I have no clue where you got 30 from, use your brain ffs!
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and your a likeable guy huh?........... Your so smart your must be an Aerospace Engineer... he was asking a basic question... and BTW..YES... The 3200mAh battery on Ebay lasts longer..So Samsung could have done better but..... They don't make it max capacity in hopes that people will buy extra batteries from them. Be nice and not mean to people asking basic questions.. your a senior member so please act like it.
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That's wrong as well, not making it higher capacity is hardly going to make people go and buy more batteries from them is it, its going to make people go buy more batteries based on the false advertising from the likes of MPJ. And while I am on the object, I would love to know how the hell they get away with claiming the mAh that they claim on these things because it's plainly obvious without even going near one of the batteries that it isn't possible.
What WOULD make people go buy more Samsung batteries is if they had a 'premium' higher capacity version and sold it for a higher price. People would fall over themselves to buy it and Samsung would make a killing. Since they have never done this, I suspect it's highly likely that although it may be possible to squeeze a bit more out of the same size, the methods in doing so mean the battery is less stable, less reliable, and doesn't work for as long, as seen in all the batteries like this from Anker to MPJ.
Now what WOULD be interesting is a battery that is physically larger and takes up the space used by the water proofing. So you lose the waterproofing but gain a big chunk of battery power, now that I think IS possible, it just needs someone with the foresight to produce it. There are many people, myself included, who aren't the slightest bit interested in the waterproofing because we don't plan on dropping it down the toilet or into the bath every 5 minutes so would gladly sacrifice this for a nice bump in battery life.
I always buy extra batteries for my phones. Note 1, Note 2, S4, and now the S5.
I have yet to see a battery that was the same size as OEM and had higher capacity. Anker had one that I tried that had I think 100ma higher capacity, but when I placed the battery in my phone it was a tighter fit. So really in my books it was a bigger battery.
I am not saying its not possible to get higher capacity than OEM in a slim battery, but I have not come across a slim battery that met lofty claims yet. For this reason, I now tend to stick to an OEM battery as I can trust that it will operate in a predictable manner. Add in the waterproofing seal on the current S5, I would try my best to stick with a battery that maintains OEM dimensions.
Sorry for the thread necromancy!
I know this is blatant thread necromancy but the viewpoints left here are skewed at best.
I am what you would call a vaper. I work for a company that thrives on making and selling electronic cigarette juice. i also get to see how LI-ION Cells have evolved as LI-ION and LIPO cells are choice for our devices albeit more commonly in a tube cell form.
I have seen both 18650 and 26650 cell specs explode over the last year and to discount innovation and advancement in favor of an ideal that it will always be the same is rather preposterous. It all depends upon what is crammed into the housing. I have seen 2Ah 26650 cells with a 30a load rating and 6 months later here comes a 4.2Ah cell sporting 40a continuous with 60a 7 second pulse rating. I got to torture test these new cells as a daily vape as well as the old. The new cells were clearly head and shoulders above the old. Lipos are the same way. I have a cell pack in a 2s1p config that sports 4.2ah with a 65c/130c+ rating.
i'll spell the lipo bit out. A c rating in the lipo world can be used to find your ah rating. 65*4.2=273 continuous run amp load.
130*4.2=546 max pulse amp load.
the 2s1p stands for 1 pack of 2 cells wired in series for a nominal voltage of 7.4 (8.4 when fully charged.)
The point is the size of this pack is very small and packs a wallop compared to other lipo packs that have the same ratings but are larger in physical size. My pack however is top of the line from one of the most well known and reputable cell pack makers. The others are knock offs.
To cut it short perhaps the OEM LI-ION packs in our phones are the same way. Perhaps the OEM packs are of knock off make and the 4200mah packs that have been found are more efficient and of better quality. With the way phones are phasing out expandable storage in favor of "data hogging" cloud storage (which mind you opens you to risk of EXPENSIVE data overages) i would't be surprised to see our precious little phone companies like samsung and LG and others using cut corner tactics. Until i see actual usage and testing with results on a graph, i wouldn't pass judgement. You might just get your mind blown like i do just about every other day.
Technology is an ever evolving creature and it's simply FASCINATING to sit back and watch it all take new form and make our lives better.
again i apologize for the thread necromancy but there were key pieces of information missing with a mindset of bash the newcomer. For the price i'm game to try it for sure!
If i have offended anyone i apologize in advance and assure you that in no way am i out to cause any drama or hurt feelings.
As a matter of fact i'm off to study these mpj packs to see how people feel. Just might find myself a graph full of information as well!
Cheers!
Do any exist, which are safe and reliable?
On previous notes, I bought a slightly higher capacity Mugen but can't find any for the note 4 (in the UK).
My phone is now 9 to 10 months old and the battery is tiring (I think). Maybe a refresh is due. I can imagine the higher speed charging kills them off sooner too. ANOTHER good reason why the Note 5 should have a removable battery. A a built in battery will be performing under par in no time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3158111
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3158111
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thanks I just saw that.
How much extra juice do you get from normal charging?
So 4 months later, how are the batterys holding up?
My OEM battery seems to not be holding juice long enough and I'm looking for a replacement.
Yes, I want to know as well. Facing same issue as OP.
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Yes, I want to know as well. Facing same issue as OP.
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I hope you find what you're looking for... I am hooked on high capacity batts, and now even the little handed wife can handle a Hyperion 8000 batt with TPU case easily- they're not as brick-like as the zerolemon. Bought a new 8000 and a case for a total of 38 bucks with free shipping on amazon yesterday.
But everyone has their own way of wanting things- hope it works out. If it doesn't, though, I'll offer that it really doesn't take long to adapt to the Hyperion type with it's case. That same case works with the Anker 6400 too. Both have been great performers for me.
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Steve RN
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I hope you find what you're looking for... I am hooked on high capacity batts, and now even the little handed wife can handle a Hyperion 8000 batt with TPU case easily- they're not as brick-like as the zerolemon. Bought a new 8000 and a case for a total of 38 bucks with free shipping on amazon yesterday.
But everyone has their own way of wanting things- hope it works out. If it doesn't, though, I'll offer that it really doesn't take long to adapt to the Hyperion type with it's case. That same case works with the Anker 6400 too. Both have been great performers for me.
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Steve RN
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Thanks for your input. I'm more inclined towards the standard fit because of the accessories I already have: the car support, the cases, etc.. An oversize higher capacity battery would imply further investment in other stuff, while a standard fit would just (hopefully) improve a little on the OEM battery. If any of the batteries mentioned can fit the original samsung car windshield support I'd consider them a an option.
I just received this one today and so far it seems pretty good. Same size as OEM but it took noticeably longer to charge so the extra capacity seems legit. I had a Deep Stretch for my Sensation back in the day and it was great, so we'll see after a few days how this one performs in the ol' note 4.
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I just received this one today and so far it seems pretty good. Same size as OEM but it took noticeably longer to charge so the extra capacity seems legit. I had a Deep Stretch for my Sensation back in the day and it was great, so we'll see after a few days how this one performs in the ol' note 4.
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I saw that battery, but passed it up due to the blurry photo (and the battery looks in the photos like it's a cheap battery with a sticker on it) and the generic reviews (as if the seller may have made a few of them). It just all looked like a cheap battery to me.
Let us know how it performs. Longer charging time may not indicate a bigger battery, especially if the battery really is a cheap Chinese battery or something.
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I saw that battery, but passed it up due to the blurry photo (and the battery looks in the photos like it's a cheap battery with a sticker on it) and the generic reviews (as if the seller may have made a few of them). It just all looked like a cheap battery to me.
Let us know how it performs. Longer charging time may not indicate a bigger battery, especially if the battery really is a cheap Chinese battery or something.
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OK so after a couple days with this battery I can say that it's good. The more I use it the better it seems to get too, on the first day it was roughly the same as my stock battery but today it's lasting a lot longer. I am getting a noticeable bump in overall life, ending my day with about 30% more juice left than I normally do.
Deep Stretch is legit, like I mentioned before I had one of their batteries a few years ago with my Sensation and it gave me noticeably more life as well. These aren't good if you're wanting a major increase in battery life, but they're great just to get your phone comfortably through a day of moderately heavy use without having to bulk it up.
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OK so after a couple days with this battery I can say that it's good. The more I use it the better it seems to get too, on the first day it was roughly the same as my stock battery but today it's lasting a lot longer. I am getting a noticeable bump in overall life, ending my day with about 30% more juice left than I normally do.
Deep Stretch is legit, like I mentioned before I had one of their batteries a few years ago with my Sensation and it gave me noticeably more life as well. These aren't good if you're wanting a major increase in battery life, but they're great just to get your phone comfortably through a day of moderately heavy use without having to bulk it up.
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This battery uses new technology? How could they made a same size but much higher capacity comparing to stock one? Could you post your onscreen time with this battery?
I am always skeptical about batteries that claim higher capacity while not being physically larger. Not saying these are bad but for I wouldn't buy it for the bigger number on the package. Personally, I tend to go with OEM batteries, bought with retail packaging from a reputable seller. Sure these are too expensive for what they are, but at least, I know what I am getting.
It is worth noting that li-ion/li-po batteries degrade slowly over time. So when you change your year-old battery for a new one, you are very likely to notice an improvement, even if you replaced it with the exact same model.
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OK so after a couple days with this battery I can say that it's good. The more I use it the better it seems to get too, on the first day it was roughly the same as my stock battery but today it's lasting a lot longer. I am getting a noticeable bump in overall life, ending my day with about 30% more juice left than I normally do.
Deep Stretch is legit, like I mentioned before I had one of their batteries a few years ago with my Sensation and it gave me noticeably more life as well. These aren't good if you're wanting a major increase in battery life, but they're great just to get your phone comfortably through a day of moderately heavy use without having to bulk it up.
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Now that you have it a few more days how is it going? I'm also interested in purchasing a standard fit battery.
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Now that you have it a few more days how is it going? I'm also interested in purchasing a standard fit battery.
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I ended up getting a v10 the other day, but I did use the battery for about 2 weeks and it definitely did give me a noticeable bump in overall life. For $25 I would say go for it.
I am planning on get the 64GB model with stock black cover (will put case on it so do not care about customizing). The main concern is the battery life, in spite of the overall great features and price.
1. Fixed 3000mah battery powering a 5.7" 1440p LCD
2. Motorola touting the Moto X has the fastest charging in the world, but no mention of battery life (seems like crutch talk for weak battery life)
3. In spite of a fixed battery design and only 3000mah, the device is .14" thicker than the Note 5 that also has a 3000mah battery. This would suggest the LCD panel is not very efficient in design.
If the device actually releases in some markets on September 3rd, we should see a Display Mate review around then. It will be interesting to see how the display performs and the power it uses.
Added: I have been searching to see if there is some newer LCD tech with better power efficiency, but not found none so far. Motorola might have gone a stock LCD route to get the price point.
Motorola say that the Moto X Play has upto 48hr battery and the Style has upto 30hr.
Sounds good enought to me BUT obvs we wont know for sure until its released and out in public as the Manufactures numbers are always optimised and not real usage stats.
Yeah, I saw that and really is for phone and average text use only. That was another thing that concerned me. The display screen time is my concern and where I am afraid the display might be a much higher battery drainer than the Note 4, yet alone the more efficient Note 5 display.
My guesstimate is at least two hours less screen on time than the Note 4 (almost 3 less than Note 5), which would be a no buy for me with a fixed battery device. Even LG is bailing from LCD and investing heavily now into OLED going forward. Catch is for Moto is they have no in-house display tech like LG and Samsung.
Yeah as someone said on here Motorola are at the mercy of screen manufacturers ... i.e they got older AMOLED tech from Samsung for the last Moto X not suprising as Samsung obvs want to standout with their phones.
Curious who make the Motos screens this year.
I get your concerns but in all honesty the SOT doesnt bother me anymore mainly because of the turbo charging capabilities. I know if I need extra juice I can get it VERY quickly.
I'm used to my S3 so anything is an upgrade tbh but obvs people with newer phones (like youself I assume you have the Note 4) already have fast charging capabilities, for me its ganna be a nice new experience (I hope haha).
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I wouldn't be too worried since people were able to get 4-5 hrs SOT out of the lousy 2300 mAh in the X 2014; I'm also a bit concerned about the power consumption of that (useless) 1440p, but a 700 mAh bump coupled with moto's optimisation makes me trust them, even without those "battery saving" (performance-killing) modes found in samdungs.
I really don't think Motorola would go that far and release a < 4 hours SOT phone, that would be a cannon ball to the foot!
Brazilians Moto X Play owners say It easily gets 6-7 hours SOT and that's damn good to me and makes me think that Moto get the balance right this time
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I really don't think Motorola would go that far and release a < 4 hours SOT phone, that would be a cannon ball to the foot!
Brazilians Moto X Play owners say It easily gets 6-7 hours SOT and that's damn good to me and makes me think that Moto get the balance right this time
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Bare in mind Play has a much bigger battery compared to Style.
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Even LG is bailing from LCD and investing heavily now into OLED going forward.
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Where did you read this? The LCD on the G4 looks better than OLED to me plus it is very efficient with battery life. Plus no burn in! I would much prefer LCD so I'm glad they are including it on the new Moto.
"LG Display Co., a supplier to Apple Inc., plans to invest about 10 trillion won ($8.5 billion) over the next three years to develop next-generation screens to reverse slowing growth and gain an edge over competitors.
LG Display will shift its investment focus to screens powered by tiny organic light-emitting diodes, or OLEDs, the Seoul-based company said in an e-mailed statement Monday. The world’s largest maker of liquid crystal displays is betting on growth in demand for advanced displays, including foldable screens, for wearable devices, cars and televisions. "
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moto g is 24 hours of mixed usage according to their site. If they're saying the moto x has better battery life (30 hours of mixed usage) we might be in luck.
1. I think the device most similar to the moto x style that is currently on the market is the g4. 3000mAh, sd 808, lcd, 1440p etc and it is able to get 4-5 hrs of sot. I has a slightly smaller screen but a heavier skin so I would expect to see the style get around the same sot
2. Regarding battery life talk samsung did pretty much the same thing praising fast wireless charging and turbo charging
3. I think it is unfair to compare thickness btw the note 5 and the moto x style. the note 5 is largely flat while the moto x is curved . At its thinnest point it is 6.1mm and at its thickest it is 11.6mm. I think this was done to improve ergonomics than than an inefficient lcd panel.
I think one of reasons Motorola moved away from amoled is the amount of burn in issues they had from older samsung oled panels that they were using. I think Oled is definitely the future but if they cannot get great amoled panels then they should get great lcd panels. At least I hope that is what they did. We will see once reviews come out for it
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You're right, but the real power efficiency of a 28 nm octa seems questionable to me. I may be too optimistic, but I wouldn't say the Style is going to get much worse battery life with an 808, which is a 20 nm hexa at marginally higher clocks.
Just speculating though
(Btw: Achilles had a heel)
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Bare in mind Play has a much bigger battery compared to Style.
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And smaller, lower res display.
Motorola is a real total miss this year. they released the larger battery in the smaller device (the play) and the smaller battery in the larger one (the style) !!. i am really worried because the droid turbo had a 3900 mah and a smaller qhd AMOLED, not lcd display and yet it didnt perform relatively on battery department considering that huge battery. i am really thinking about the G4. the only thing that's keeping me stuck with motorola is the touchless control which i am totally used to. phandroid site said that will release a moto maxx that , exactly like last year, will combine the best of the two devices (play and style) and add wireless charging and water resistance and of course locked boot loader on verizon. really hating them right now.
IF this device is releasing September 3rd, I am surprised no device leaks since the launch and no other tidbits.
Might sound stupid but what kind of leaks do you mean?
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Might sound stupid but what kind of leaks do you mean?
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Shhhhhh rushless doesnt know that there are already pics of the moto x style... Hushhhh![emoji87]
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I'm talkin' about people with the phone in the wild ya' hunks.
Not even a Yetti style fake sighting yet.
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I'm talkin' about people with the phone in the wild ya' hunks.
Not even a Yetti """"style""" fake sighting yet.
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Pun Intended I hope??
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But of course.
As the title says, I think i'll be passing on the P7 and awaiting either the P7a (unlikely) or the P8.
The Pixel 5 just has everything I want in a "phone".
It's still fast enough that I don't get annoyed using it.
Read finger print.
Android 13 is running smoothly.
Battery life is probably better than on the P7, but no idea, but I'm still getting wonderful SOT.
Rear not made of glass.
Last phone of an era.
Completely agree! I jumped ship to Pixel 5 after a decade of exclusively buying Samsung Galaxy series. Perfect size and has more than enough power for my needs. If only they released another phone of the same size. If only.
Bought a Pixel 7 last week... currently thinking about returning it and keep my P5...
I'm in the market for a Pixel 5. For all the reasons @andybones outlined, plus as a backup. I got the 7 and like it more than 6. But now there's something new and ugly to be paranoid about with stories about shattering camera glass. Taking into account lame fingerprint readers, new Pixels seem to have lowest glass bidder written all over them.
I found a used "mint" condition P5 on Swappa.
I'll post about it once it arrives. "
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I'll do the same when mine gets here. I'm looking at Swappa and ebay reburbished.
I've had a Pixel 5 for a couple days now. First thing I noticed is that SIM unlock happens instantly where as 6 and 7 have to think about it for a few seconds. Same with wi-fi and cell connections. It may not be significant but 5's radio is definitely snappier on start up and no waiting for status bar icons. I'm sure a new Tensor has a more complex job than an older Snapdragon, but simpler is what I'm going for.
The phone shipped with Android 12, I flashed 13, now I'm thinking about taking it all the way back to 11. Any caveats I need to know about that?
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I've had a Pixel 5 for a couple days now. First thing I noticed is that SIM unlock happens instantly where as 6 and 7 have to think about it for a few seconds. Same with wi-fi and cell connections. It may not be significant but 5's radio is definitely snappier on start up and no waiting for status bar icons. I'm sure a new Tensor has a more complex job than an older Snapdragon, but simpler is what I'm going for.
The phone shipped with Android 12, I flashed 13, now I'm thinking about taking it all the way back to 11. Any caveats I need to know about that?
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Nice review.
I've been using mine also for a few days.
It's great. Perfect condition.
Only thing is battery capacity I'm not sure where it's at. On my old 5 it was at like 90% and i was getting easily 8-10 hour SOT.
Im on my 3rd charge and I got about 6 hour SOT and accurately said 73% battery health. But I'm praying it just needs time but we'll see. This charge is doing a little better. I was used to getting an hour /10% battery..
But for $198 perfect condition P5 I'm quite happy. It should easily last me until the P8. Which I'm hoping will have a smaller close to P5 size.
I used the P7 in store for first time and yes it is awesome. But I would of bought new and it would be about $540. So I think I made a god choice. I'm also hoping google does good trade in deals again next year.. though I really do need a backup device.
Ohh man I rode A11 until A13 came out. Completely skipped A12. I used crDrood A11 ROM, and it was very stable.
I don't think I could go back though.
Besr of luck!
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...I'm quite happy. It should easily last me until the P8. Which I'm hoping will have a smaller close to P5 size.
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I read that Pixel 8 will be small. It would be nice if it also trended away from a glass back, but that's probably wishful thinking.
I don't have a clear picture of my P5's battery health either. So far it seems good enough, definitely not bad. I did a second charge today. Mine is in really nice shape too, so hopefully this means the battery had an easy life before I got it.
Good luck with yours too!
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As the title says, I think i'll be passing on the P7 and awaiting either the P7a (unlikely) or the P8.
The Pixel 5 just has everything I want in a "phone".
It's still fast enough that I don't get annoyed using it.
Read finger print.
Android 13 is running smoothly.
Battery life is probably better than on the P7, but no idea, but I'm still getting wonderful SOT.
Rear not made of glass.
Last phone of an era.
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I'm totally with you on this. I was pondering whether to buy a P7 or not for absolutely ages, but gave in and bought a unopened sealed one for £400, played with it for about 3 hours in my house and could not work out what all the hype is about with the P7, I noticed very little difference between it and my P5, possibly the camera, but the camera on my P5 is perfect for what I use it for. And I totally love the physical size of my P5. I did like the phone to phone transfer using the cables, it transferred absolutely everything, including all my short cuts to various websites, Forums etc. They have not yet mastered keeping the same ringtones etc, but I was still impressed. Anyway, cut a long story short, I have now got the P7 out of my head, sold it for exactly what I paid for it and I am keeping my bullet proof 100% reliable P5 until possibly the P7a or P8, depending on size of phone, but if Google don't do a phone at 6.1" or less, I'll possibly have to switch over to Samsung.
I just ordered up a Pixel 7, free upgrade and my Pixel 5 is showing it's age. I'm not the easiest on my stuff and working on a diamond drill doesn't help my cause at all
P5 is the last good phone ever made.
If I were you, I'd get another one while you can still find it, in case you break it, loose it etc.
All the new phones are huge now, Pixel 5 is the smallest.
And cases are made of fragile glass on almost all phones now, on Pixel is aluminium and you can still wireless charge because of the hole in the middle!
And fingerprint sensor is actually usable on P5 because it's where it should be, not on the side/buttons, under the screen and other awkward places like on most phones.
And you get quite a lot of RAM that should make the phone last years.
Only down-side on P5 for me is the big screen resolution. I find anything above 720p a waste of battery life, because there is no visual difference for the eyes. But battery life is not that bad, if you only use it casually you can get 2-3 days of battery life
Just wondering, has anyone noticed issues with Android 13 compared to Android 11, on P5?
Usually I avoid updates like plague, I disable them completely and keep apps until they don't run anymore and force me to update them. What is annoying on P5 is that every few days it shows up a popup prompting me to update Android and it's only a matter of time until I click OK by mistake
@andybones, no reason to upgrade if you like the hardware/firmware you got and its fulfilling its mission. Constant firmware upgrades/updates aren't needed for Android 9 or higher in my opinion. Replace batteries as needed... easy living.
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@andybones, no reason to upgrade if you like the hardware/firmware you got and its fulfilling its mission. Constant firmware upgrades/updates aren't needed for Android 9 or higher in my opinion. Replace batteries as needed... easy living.
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About battery replacement...
My previous phone was OnePlus 7 Pro, and OnePlus could replace battery under the warranty and free od charge during two year warranty for the device. I don't know how it is now after merge with Oppo.
How about Google? Battery replacement is done under the warranty just like it was with OnePlus or Google will charge some money? If so, do you know how much?
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About battery replacement...
My previous phone was OnePlus 7 Pro, and OnePlus could replace battery under the warranty and free od charge during two year warranty for the device. I don't know how it is now after merge with Oppo.
How about Google? Battery replacement is done under the warranty just like it was with OnePlus or Google will charge some money? If so, do you know how much?
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No, but probably not that bad. I run Samsung N10+'s and I doubt it's worse than them. Watch a tear down vid. I've gotten one of these done for $50, next one I'll probably do myself.
Regardless replace the battery when it drops to 80% of its original capacity. Just routine maintenance, no big fuss.
well I have a P7 on the way,
Cracked my P5 screen,
I'll probably take the $50 or so from Google and get the P7a once out and trade p7 or p7a in fir p8..
I'm still using my Pixel 2XL, thought about upgrading many times but the phone just keeps working.
Yesterday I saw ebay deal for Pixel 5 128GB for $110 and have ordered it, should be a decent ugrade I think, at least I'll try newest Android.
I'm completely with you guys. I love and live my P5. The P6 of my mom feels so bulky in comparison, more like a brick. I also don't get why there is no political or scientific pressure/argument for lighter phones <150 g instead of 200+ g. It has to be more healthy for our wrists.
In addition I had some experience with battery capacity and aging of it.
If you have root access or able to use some terminal executions (e.g. adb), you can read out your remaining full charge capacity of your Pixel.
These number will give you a scope of what's going on, but will not be accurate.
For my case, I use root to limit max charging state (at 75 %) and shut of below 20 %. Also I can limit the charging current by software. In all day usage I stay between 60 and 50 %, as I have a wireless charger on every desk at work and home.
So long story short. I was getting my battery replaced by Google in a case of warranty (I was getting a entirely new unit as replacement because I shuttered my camera glass/lense.
The bms of the battery counts charging cycles and remaining full charge capacity (see file /sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent).
All I can say is that this number of remaining capacity (health state) is quite manipulative. Brand new capacity was 4100 mAh with 3 cycles. Now I have 3500 mAh after 218 cycles in 11 month's. If I would charge my P5 now several times to 100 % SOC and drain it to zero, the bms would learn and this count of 3531 mAh would climb again to much more then that.
For long term reasons I will not do several 100-0-100 SOC cycles for you. You all can imagine that it will hurt the lithium cells more than it will help to know the exact figure.
All in all I can ask a friend with a P5 which readouts he will get, he doesn't use this battery charging restrictions.
Btw, if your remaining capacity will drop below 80 % in warranty time, Google will replace your battery for free. Otherwise you can't initiate a changing of battery by yourself at Google, not even for some fees.
But if you really concerned, there are original batteries to order here in Germany, disassembly process is not that hard to do.
In my opinion don't take too much concerns about your battery. A friend of me has a OnePlus 6 since Release (close to 5 years ago) and charges every night to 100 % with a old Sony 7,5 W charger. He is on its original equipped battery and still has enough SOT for 1 day usage and criticises it's battery life some time ago. But as we know, there is no alternative to older, smaller smartphones without glass backside as our P5 oder OP6.
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Full charge capacity / charging cycles / date of read
4228 1 14.05.2022
4186 2
4180 2
4178 4
4136 7
4110 10
4115 19 12.06.2022
4035 26 23.06.2022
4039 31 30.06.2022
3981 47 22.07.2022
4006 51 28.07.2022
3531 218 31.03.2023
3623 225 08.04.2023
P.S. I'm still on A11 for design reasons, I don't like the bubble UI of A12+. Where is my usable workspace left? Notifications area and app drawer specially and where would my WiFi on/off toggle switch gone? What was wrong with this dedicated button to get rid of it in A12?
Edit: like I said, I did a single 100%-0%-100% cycle and the bms recognised this in better trained capacity. It jumped from 3531 to 3623 mAh (compare with table above).
So don't take this numbers too serious, as it it the same battery lithium cell and the numbers are all over the place.
Friends i heard pixel 5 has heating issues, how is it on newer versions of android and can we balance it with custom roms. I like compact phones and can't really find one these days in decent budget. I am planning to buy a P5 hoping custom rom support would last for few more years but little concerned about heating. Is it natural for P5 to heat or can we lower it with better roms?, ur response would help. Thanks dears.
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Friends i heard pixel 5 has heating issues, how is it on newer versions of android and can we balance it with custom roms. I like compact phones and can't really find one these days in decent budget. I am planning to buy a P5 hoping custom rom support would last for few more years but little concerned about heating. Is it natural for P5 to heat or can we lower it with better roms?, ur response would help. Thanks dears.
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I have this phone for over year now mostly running on custom ROMs (currently CrDroid v7.25, Android 11). A lot of games, YouTube, a ton of phone calls etc. and I haven't notice any issues with heating. Of course, phone is warmer during heavier games or something, as it should be, but nothing extreme.