Hi,
One of my few complains on my new Touch Pro device (compared to my previous Tytn II) is the terrible performance of Pocket Informant. Am I the only one who experiences extremely slow UI reactions with this application?
To make things a little more objective - by "slow" I mean about 2 seconds when switching to a different day in the month view, about 5 seconds until the appointment edit window opens, 4 seconds to open the categories list from that window etc.
The WebIS support were very nice but eventually couldn't help, so I'm wondering if it happens only to me.
I'm afraid this problem is somehow specific to your device. Maybe a problem with the ROM you are using? I also use PI8 and it's actually quite fast. At least as fast as it was on my TyTN2 if not even a bit faster.
It may indeed be my specific ROM, or the 3rd party Hebrew support package that I'm using (installed on the device by the the supplier here in Israel). I was hoping it's a somewhat more generic problem, it had better chances to be fixed that way
maybe not.
I have similar problem, not indeed in PI8 (don't use it), but in another programs.
I assume PI tech support suggested this, but get rid of note icons on contacts. It slows it down big time because it has to check every contact for a note. (And I have about 1800.)
I'm working great with PI8 also. I think it's running faster on my ROM too.
I've used an Android tablet for about a year now, and although I've put in a lot of time to make it useful and controllable, it still has a lot of troubling mysteries. I have a few questions for developer types that hopefully will help shed some light on things:
1. Why don't applications feature a "Close" button? In both Windows and GNU/Linux with a GUI, you get a neat little "X" at the top right of the window. Usually, when you click this, the application terminates. Is that so much to ask for on Android? The means of closing apps on Android seem to be entirely up to the devs and there doesn't appear to be a standard way at all. Some of the apps I've used on Android don't have any way to close them whatsoever, with the exception of killing them from a task manager or the "Manage Apps" section of settings.
2. Why do many of these programs suddenly and mysteriously start running entirely on their own? It's terribly frustrating for me to kill an app and in a half an hour find it there on the task manager list again, running without my having asked for it to do so. Where is this controlled? If there is some sort of task scheduler making this happen, why can't I easily see a list of scheduled tasks and choose which ones to run or not to run?
3. For programs that *are* running in the background (the ones I *want* to have running), why is it that they usually don't have some sort of taskbar icon to indicate at a glance that they are still running?
4. Why can't I see everything that's loading when the tablet starts? I guess I'm asking to see a logcat screen instead of a splash screen. GNU/Linux distros don't usually hide everything from the end user, so why isn't it optional on an Android tablet? Even in custom ROMS all I get are neat looking splash screens, not a terminal interface on boot.
5. Why doesn't a decent firewall application yet exist for Android? All I seem to be able to find are really coarse ones like Droidwall, where it's an all or nothing proposition (allow/block). I'd like to be able to control protocols, ports, zones and individual IP addresses and ranges like a good firewall on Windows or GNU/Linux allows. I am constantly under suspicion that someone is doing something on my tablet without my even being aware of it.
6. Why are permissions for applications so difficult to control? Maybe I don't want some stupid game getting a look at my contacts list. I realize I can just uninstall the game, but so many apps seem to tap into stuff that they shouldn't be allowed to, I feel like some sort of permissions control should be a default standard thing in Android. Instead all there seems to be are a couple of apps on the market that may or may not work.
7. Do any of you developers feel dissatisfied about the state of Android, and does Google take your feedback seriously?
8. Are there any forks of the Android OS that don't rely on Google for anything? I'm not 100 percent sure about the difference between a GNU and an Apache license. How much of the OS is closed-source? Is it enough to prevent a true, fully open-sourced Android-based OS from being made?
Sorry if any of these questions sound stupid, but even though Android is supposed to be more open than iOS, it's still not open enough for my tastes. I actually feel safer using Windows than Android, and that's just not how it should be. Am I alone in this feeling?
Ok. I would honestly say you should have gone with a Windows tablet if you want all those... It's not a computer. It's a mobile device running a mobile os. It's not gonna be a full blown computer.
McMick said:
I've used an Android tablet for about a year now, and although I've put in a lot of time to make it useful and controllable, it still has a lot of troubling mysteries. I have a few questions for developer types that hopefully will help shed some light on things:
1. Why don't applications feature a "Close" button? In both Windows and GNU/Linux with a GUI, you get a neat little "X" at the top right of the window. Usually, when you click this, the application terminates. Is that so much to ask for on Android? The means of closing apps on Android seem to be entirely up to the devs and there doesn't appear to be a standard way at all. Some of the apps I've used on Android don't have any way to close them whatsoever, with the exception of killing them from a task manager or the "Manage Apps" section of settings.
2. Why do many of these programs suddenly and mysteriously start running entirely on their own? It's terribly frustrating for me to kill an app and in a half an hour find it there on the task manager list again, running without my having asked for it to do so. Where is this controlled? If there is some sort of task scheduler making this happen, why can't I easily see a list of scheduled tasks and choose which ones to run or not to run?
3. For programs that *are* running in the background (the ones I *want* to have running), why is it that they usually don't have some sort of taskbar icon to indicate at a glance that they are still running?
4. Why can't I see everything that's loading when the tablet starts? I guess I'm asking to see a logcat screen instead of a splash screen. GNU/Linux distros don't usually hide everything from the end user, so why isn't it optional on an Android tablet? Even in custom ROMS all I get are neat looking splash screens, not a terminal interface on boot.
5. Why doesn't a decent firewall application yet exist for Android? All I seem to be able to find are really coarse ones like Droidwall, where it's an all or nothing proposition (allow/block). I'd like to be able to control protocols, ports, zones and individual IP addresses and ranges like a good firewall on Windows or GNU/Linux allows. I am constantly under suspicion that someone is doing something on my tablet without my even being aware of it.
6. Why are permissions for applications so difficult to control? Maybe I don't want some stupid game getting a look at my contacts list. I realize I can just uninstall the game, but so many apps seem to tap into stuff that they shouldn't be allowed to, I feel like some sort of permissions control should be a default standard thing in Android. Instead all there seems to be are a couple of apps on the market that may or may not work.
7. Do any of you developers feel dissatisfied about the state of Android, and does Google take your feedback seriously?
8. Are there any forks of the Android OS that don't rely on Google for anything? I'm not 100 percent sure about the difference between a GNU and an Apache license. How much of the OS is closed-source? Is it enough to prevent a true, fully open-sourced Android-based OS from being made?
Sorry if any of these questions sound stupid, but even though Android is supposed to be more open than iOS, it's still not open enough for my tastes. I actually feel safer using Windows than Android, and that's just not how it should be. Am I alone in this feeling?
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1. Well, its a mobile OS and it would be rather annoying to have a close button on every (even most) apps. No mobile OS has had a close button
2. That's an app problem, the developer either wanted the app to do that for some function, or they made some mistake in creating causing that to happen.
3. There would be too many apps, and I doubt people want extra notifications in the status bar just informing them what's running. For example, my friends Stratosphere has a status notif whenever WiFi is connected, and it annoys the crap out of me whenever I use it.
4. Probably, because people don't care... remember Android (like WP and iOS) are supposed to appeal to consumers as a phone for "facebook, games, and internet," and if the splashscreen/bootanimation was a logcat, people would just go "wut?" Also, as smartphones get faster and faster, so does bootup time. And there wouldn't be enough time to read what's on the logcat before it fully boots and you're at the lockscreen
5. Ask the devs.
6. Once again, dev thing. They are entitled to putting whatever permission they want, and Google isn't going to stop them. Just think about it though, most people don't care about permissions. iOS doesn't display them (even though they are there) and people download apps like there's no tomorrow anyway.
7. I read somewhere that the main designer of Android was "40% complete" at ICS. It gets me excited at what's next to come, since 4.0+ is already pretty amazing.
8. I'm too retarded to understand this question
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As gagdude said for 1-7.
8. There's the Chinese Aliyun OS which looks and feels a lot like Android but doesn't rely on Google - but I would't try it. You could try Ubuntu Linux if your device supports it.
Android needs to be like apple with updates time to close source this already and just have one phone already
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Reopened, but if it gets unproviding and or heads Off Topic, well then I will readdress this thread.....
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gagdude said:
No mobile OS has had a close button
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Wrong, PocketPC 2002, which I used for 10 years on my HTC Wallaby, had a close button for every application.
@McMick, many of your points struck a chord with me and I have often asked myself the same things since migrating to Android from Pocket PC 2002 on my HTC Wallaby. Certainly points 1, 3, 7 and 8.
Since I jumped from PPC 2002 to Android 2.3.6 I've had the same thoughts. And I was for instance surprised to see that only now (Galaxy Note 2) are the very first steps being taken towards multiple windows.
I agree with point 4 too. On a PC (Linux or Windows) you can choose whether you see what's starting (BIOS and OS boot) or prefer a reassuring animation.
5. I have Avast!Mobile Security which has what is reckoned to be one of the best firewalls for Android, but even that only has, as you say, block or allow (individually for WiFi, 3G and mobile network).
6. The trouble with limiting permissions for apps is that if they can't get the access they want, they won't work. Personally I use the app Privacy Blocker which works around that by feeding the apps you choose not to allow to snoop nonsense information.
However it's not enough just to stand on the sidelines and issue one's wishes to "the developers". The point and the spirit of XDA-developers is that we can all start modifying things if we want to. So instead of saying "Why can't I" the thing to do is to start reading and learning and seeing if you might not after all just be able to ... do something yourself when it comes to your device.
Every Android developer does what appeals to them, which is why there is such a wonderful diversity of ROMs and apps for Android, particularly here on XDA.
So get stuck in and start trying to change things on your own device for a start. On point 5 for instance, you do see a logcat screen when you boot into recovery mode, so perhaps there's a way to display that when booting. If you do get started on modifications in the directions you indicate, I shall certainly follow progress with interest.
Thanks to BigJoe2675.
syncopath said:
Wrong, PocketPC 2002, which I used for 10 years on my HTC Wallaby,
However it's not enough just to stand on the sidelines and issue one's wishes to "the developers". The point and the spirit of XDA-developers is that we can all start modifying things if we want to. So instead of saying "Why can't I" the thing to do is to start reading and learning and seeing if you might not after all just be able to ... do something yourself when it comes to your device.
Every Android developer does what appeals to them, which is why there is such a wonderful diversity of ROMs and apps for Android, particularly here on XDA.
So get stuck in and start trying to change things on your own device for a start. On point 5 for instance, you do see a logcat screen when you boot into recovery mode, so perhaps there's a way to display that when booting. If you do get started on modifications in the directions you indicate, I shall certainly follow progress with interest.
Thanks to BigJoe2675.
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PocketPC 2002, which I used for 10 years :crying::crying: sorry for this....
syncopath said:
Wrong, PocketPC 2002, which I used for 10 years on my HTC Wallaby, had a close button for every application.
@McMick, many of your points struck a chord with me and I have often asked myself the same things since migrating to Android from Pocket PC 2002 on my HTC Wallaby. Certainly points 1, 3, 7 and 8.
Since I jumped from PPC 2002 to Android 2.3.6 I've had the same thoughts. And I was for instance surprised to see that only now (Galaxy Note 2) are the very first steps being taken towards multiple windows.
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OK, but I wasn't born in 2002.
Lol jk I was, but I wasn't "born" to technology back then. I got my first phone only 3 years ago or so... and that just makes it seem that close buttons are now obsolete (on Mobile OSes, at least
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OK, but I wasn't born in 2002.
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LOL as I believe they say these days. I forgive you instantly! I am amazed by your over 1000 posts in about 4 months.
McMick said:
4. Why can't I see everything that's loading when the tablet starts? I guess I'm asking to see a logcat screen instead of a splash screen. GNU/Linux distros don't usually hide everything from the end user, so why isn't it optional on an Android tablet? Even in custom ROMS all I get are neat looking splash screens, not a terminal interface on boot.
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The app [root] live logcat by the one and only Chainfire [/hyperbole] should fix this. There are free and paid versions. Something to check out if you're rooted. Please let us know of the results. Added on edit: from Google Play.
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LOL as I believe they say these days. I forgive you instantly! I am amazed by your over 1000 posts in about 4 months.
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Oh no that just means I'm a loser and I spend too much time on xda
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@bigjoe,
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PocketPC 2002, which I used for 10 years :crying::crying: sorry for this....
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Don't quite understand this message, probably due to my inability to correctly interpret emoticons (reverse autism?). Anyway, thanks for re-opening this one because I
think what is being discussed here is worthwhile. Given the pressure of spammer-threat I think the OP should respond soon (or anyone else). Otherwise it will be understandable if you close the thread if you prefer.
bigjoe2675 said:
Reopened, but if it gets unproviding and or heads Off Topic, well then I will readdress this thread.....
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Syncopath
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I think I understand your priorities as moderator. This is of course a thread near the "top" of XDA and as such will far more readily attract spammers and other lowlife than further down in the more comfortable device threads where I am more used to posting. So you will want to quickly close any thread that seems to be becoming stale. Right?
@gagdude
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Oh no that just means I'm a loser and I spend too much time on xda
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I don't think so, over 200 thanks didn't come from nowhere!
This is off subject having prob w/ no boot sound for boot anim
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I'd like the pages to load fast and being able to keep several tabs open at the same time. Preferably 10", but 8" could be OK also.
My Tablet: Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1
My tablet is very fast when browsing and I usally have 8 to 10 tabs open at the same time, sometimes many more.
I have tried every major/commercial browser on the market and almost every browser created by small developer.
The fastest browser I found with the best privacy is Naked Browser Pro, I also love the constant full screen, I see nothing but the websites all the time, no stupid browser bells and whistles to block the view and I surf safely with javascript turned off by default and enable it for trusted websites with a single simple button push. NB Pro also has the smallest memory footprint I found which is why I can open so many tabs at the same time.
Go with the 10 inch screen it really makes a difference, no matter which brand you choose, it feels and acts more like a laptop/desktop computer than a convienent toy.
The only thing about the Samsungs is the large amount of bloatware that comes pre-installed but it is easy to disable most of it using the built-in control/settings panel, I have not had to root it yet for performance reasons and i'm a power user.
On a side note, the NB Pro browser I told you about is very plain and simple looking, I almost did not try it, use the free version for a couple days first, once you figure it out you will see that it's power and speed are mainly due to it's simplicity and the clever programming you do not see, what do you want a pimped out browser that you pay for in speed/memory/privacy or a lightning fast browser that displays the entire webpage without the clutter?
p.s. This is not a paid endorsement I do not even know the developer of Naked Browser, I just hate poser developers that spy on you and lie about it. Whatever you do, do not use the Dolphin browser, it spies on you while sending every single link you visit to a series of servers in the background and you cannot disable that, it's 'free' for a reason, they sell you out to marketers and god knows who else. Firefox is a memory hog, Opera is too slow for me and Chrome is OK but privacy is a question.
Hi all, I'm sorry if this is not the correct place to post this. But I hope the Mods will replace it where appropriate.
I just was wondering if there is a way to stop that annoying reloading of web pages when I push the browser to background process in my old Android 4.0.3 device. It so consumed data. Is there any way to keep the pages in memory or something?
Thanks
Hi,
As far as I know, it's because of Android cleaning unused programs from memory (RAM) when it's getting full, and on lower specs phones it happens pretty quickly, although I don't have accurate numbers here.
It's a core feature of Android, so I'm not sure there is a way to bypass, limit it or whitelist programs, perhaps on rooted phones, but I'm eager to know if it's possible.
But, is it the same on newer devices? I hope not, cos it's so lame.
So that's it... I just can't do anything unless I root. Hmmm...
Thanks for your comment though.
I can't answer for sure, but on all my devices it's the same problem, even under KitKat.
I suppose my RAM isn't enough, but someone would have to confirm if the problem still exists on high end devices like S4 or G2.
I don't know what you'll get here by rooting your device, cause all of mine are rooted but sometimes I still get the problem.
Well at least you can delete some bloatware so it's never a bad idea if you feel confident rooting the phone.
For repro, I usually do this, between each step, just press the Home button to return to the home screen :
- Launch a heavy game such as Dead Trigger 2 or Real Racing 3, or even a smaller one like Subway Surfers
- Launch Chrome, open something simple like Google News for mobiles
- Open the camera, no need to take a pic but just open it and go back to home straightaway
- Open Gmail, or another mail app
- Open Play Store
- Try to go back to your game (or browser)... on all of my devices I lose my current level, as it's as I've force quitted... yeah that sucks for low end or old devices like mines, but I don't think there is a workaround.
Just to say, on my iPod Touch 3 I get a better experience for games, although I have to go through reloading on Safari tabs.
I was wondering and still be, does smartphone has its virtue memory inside?
My phone is G2 mini. It's kind of worth for a few budget but for long-term usage.
MSM8226 didn't help at all
The point came from using many apps in the same time. 3 apps were at least; facebook via Dolphone browser, music,and colornote.
" I intended to save some text from browser to colornote."
Music was running in background while anothers I switched them from App to App.
It made every time I went back to my browser, it had to reloaded time to time. The contain was gone even text that couldn't be save.
Morever, IF switching had been made, and I kept it waiting up to 5 munites, another App, colornote, would take time more 5 seconds to come up.
Then music stopped. I went back to browser again, it was gone anyhow. Everything I texted in browser was in the wind.
Looked like OS or something got the wrong intention about prefetching for App, I'm not sure that I'm right to say this. BUT it disturbed me a lot.
-Not sure if it was about OS has to manage its own resource even power to give user's intention.
-Not sure if it was about Home lauching's cache or SoC
-Not sure if the manufacturer claimed that Quad core, its 4 cores, help together to process the main task or just remain the-at-least core to process both background App and main App - checked from CPUZ; it showed CPU#0 just run alone for idle mode, and CPU#1 to CPU#3 would be activate if some main Apps were used.
HOWEVER, If this is concerned about virtue memory in OS or in App or whatever?
Thank you all in advance
Classic case of not enough RAM.
It's full, so it closes other apps to make room for the active one.
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so if I bought a bigger room, so it would help?
I mean what about differences in a bigger room with the same just-4-head of 1.3GHz? I'm afriad.