or every other night? What's better for the battery? I hear different smart batteries have different technologies. When I was using my custom ROM and kernel on my Nexus 4, I can set it so the battery charges to 95% and stay there. I am not sure how original Android works. Does it charge to 99% and stop? Does it charge to 100% and stop, and then top it off again after the phone drains to 95%? Can I set how the charging behaves on stock android?
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As far as I know it wont matter if you charge it to 95% or 99%, it's still a charging cycle.
The million dollar question is: How many cycles does the batt endures?
That depends on charging current, voltage, depth of discharge and many other things and can vary from 300 to 7000 cycles.
So, long answer to your questiond: Just charge it to fit your needs. Don't make strict rules about when and how to charge your phone, battery life depends on so many variables it becomes unpredictable.
I leave the house with a fully charged battery because you just never know how much you'll use your phone that day.
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A Li-ion battery has a limited numer of charge cycles, but what constitutes a charge cycle? According to some people a charge cycle is used every time the charger is connected. Another opinion is that only a charge from 0 - 100% consumes one charge cycle. So how is it really? If the first assumption is true then one should only charge when the battery is almost emty. If the other one is true then it's ok to charge at any time.
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A Li-ion battery has a limited numer of charge cycles, but what constitutes a charge cycle? According to some people a charge cycle is used every time the charger is connected. Another opinion is that only a charge from 0 - 100% consumes one charge cycle. So how is it really? If the first assumption is true then one should only charge when the battery is almost emty. If the other one is true then it's ok to charge at any time.
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A charge cycle is the process of charging a rechargeable battery and discharging it as required into a load. The term is typically used to specify a battery's expected life, as the number of charge cycles affects life more than the mere passage of time. Discharging the battery fully before recharging may be called "deep discharge"; partially discharging then recharging may be called "shallow discharge.
Apple Inc. clarifies that a charge cycle means using all the battery's capacity, but not necessarily by full charge and discharge; e.g., using half the charge of a fully charged battery, charging it, and then using the same amount of charge again count as a single charge cycle. -Wikipedia
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A charge cycle is the process of charging a rechargeable battery and discharging it as required into a load. The term is typically used to specify a battery's expected life, as the number of charge cycles affects life more than the mere passage of time. Discharging the battery fully before recharging may be called "deep discharge"; partially discharging then recharging may be called "shallow discharge.
Apple Inc. clarifies that a charge cycle means using all the battery's capacity, but not necessarily by full charge and discharge; e.g., using half the charge of a fully charged battery, charging it, and then using the same amount of charge again count as a single charge cycle. -Wikipedia
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Ok, but that means that charging the battery a lot instead of waiting until it's almost completely drained, shortens its lifespan.
Ideally, a Lithium based battery is "healthiest" at or about mid level. A full charge cycle is technically not 0-100%, as these batteries (at least in consumer electronics) have circuitry built-in to prevent overcharging, overdischarging, and shorts. Overdischarging can cause what's called runaway discharge, where it'll keep discharging even if not connected to anything or the device is turned off. Heat, possible fire, and even explosion. Those Dell and Sony laptops that were catching fire several years ago? That was because the protection circuitry was faulty. And why you should always buy OEM factory batteries, or ones made by reputable companies like Zerolemon or Anker, and not cheap Chinese knockoffs. Hobbiests (flashlights, R/C equipment) often use unprotected batteries since they can get a bit more capacity out of them, but this is dangerous and requires monitoring and judgement.
So the answer is a charge cycle is from 0-100% and back down to 0% (or the opposite; charged, discharged, then charged - depending on your point of view), where 0% is the point where the circuitry within the battery and/or the device itself cuts the power.
There is no need to "condition" lithium rechargeable batteries (ie: fully drain them, don't use until fully charged, etc); this is a holdover from the days of nickel-cadmium (Ni-Cad) batteries, which did require conditioning for optimal performance.
The main destroyer of a lithium battery really isn't even the charge/discharging of it, but rather the heat associated with it. For example, one can keep a battery charging and charged at 95-100% while playing an intense game, downloading a large file, or running a wi-fi hotspot, but this sill quickly destroy the battery, even there's no actual "cycle" happening. The ~500 charge cycle figure assumes a typical usage of training and charging. The reason a battery is "healthiest" at mid levels is that this is where there's the least heat being generated.
Yeah, I have kind of adapted to the thought that charging whenever doesn't impact the battery in a negative way. So if my charge is 80% and I'm going out for the day, I still charge it to full 100%. If however (as the first answer suggests) this consumes an extra cycle then it would be best not to charge it. In the past this didn't matter so much but with many phones these days it's hard or even impossible for the user to replace the battery. This makes the answer to my question more important...
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Yeah, I have kind of adapted to the thought that charging whenever doesn't impact the battery in a negative way. So if my charge is 80% and I'm going out for the day, I still charge it to full 100%. If however (as the first answer suggests) this consumes an extra cycle then it would be best not to charge it. In the past this didn't matter so much but with many phones these days it's hard or even impossible for the user to replace the battery. This makes the answer to my question more important...
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80-100% is not a cycle, it's 20% of a cycle. However, it is the worst part of the cycle (higher voltages, more heat). Ideally, for the battery's health and longevity over the months/years, it'd be best to keep it between, say, 30-70%. But this is impractical, potentially impossible for some, and, frankly, dangerous.
That's why I'll only buy phones with replaceable batteries. Either instantly, or without terrible difficulty when the battery hits that ~500 cycle mark. I have 3 phones: A Galaxy S4 (with a couple spares, including a 7800mAh Anker), a Nexus 4, which I've replaced the battery on, and a OnePlus One, which I know I can replace if/when I need to. I'll never get something like a S6 or Note5 or iPhone where battery replacement is nigh-impossible.
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80-100% is not a cycle, it's 20% of a cycle. However, it is the worst part of the cycle (higher voltages, more heat). Ideally, for the battery's health and longevity over the months/years, it'd be best to keep it between, say, 30-70%. But this is impractical, potentially impossible for some, and, frankly, dangerous.
That's why I'll only buy phones with replaceable batteries. Either instantly, or without terrible difficulty when the battery hits that ~500 cycle mark. I have 3 phones: A Galaxy S4 (with a couple spares, including a 7800mAh Anker), a Nexus 4, which I've replaced the battery on, and a OnePlus One, which I know I can replace if/when I need to. I'll never get something like a S6 or Note5 or iPhone where battery replacement is nigh-impossible.
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Yeah, it's very annoying that not batteries on all cell phones are user replaceable. And we can exchange them on some phones anyway with a little trouble, but as you write it's completely impossible with some. I put in the charge if my battery is 50% or something and I'm going out later. This should consume only half a a cycle and it's practical for me.
I now charge when the battery is like 75% before I'm going out. Is this ok or should I let the battery drain and then charge? The latter I did for a long time with a phone I had, and the battery had great performance until I sold it.
I still currently own a Samsung galaxy s3, and I have been charging it to full 100% and letting it drain fully until it shuts off. Once i get S8+, should i still be doing this or will that mess up the battery over time. Do you guys drain until 10% , and charge up too 90%? Was curious.
Batteries have so many charge cycles at a certain depth of discharge. My understanding is you get more charge cycles if you discharge less.
So, unlike removable battery phones, I plan on leaving this phone on a charger as much as possible and usingbt the battery when necessary.
The battery change on this device looks hairy!
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Batteries have so many charge cycles at a certain depth of discharge. My understanding is you get more charge cycles if you discharge less.
So, unlike removable battery phones, I plan on leaving this phone on a charger as much as possible and usingbt the battery when necessary.
The battery change on this device looks hairy!
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I See, does the phone stop from overcharging the battery once you reach 100%?
It's best to keep it between 20%-80%
Also, pretty much all lithium ions are nearly impossible to overcharge.
You generally want to keep your batteries between 40-80% I believe is the sweet spot. I will not let my battery go below 30% generally and I top it off whenever available. Forgot where I read it but as others have said your phone has so many charge cycles (500 or so before the battery starts losing a certain compacity). And if you constantly charge from 0-100% each time, you are using a full charge cycle. Instead if you charge it at 50%, you would be using half a cycle, etc.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Ive read similar things. I generally follow this and try to charge before i reach 20% up til 89%.
Ive also read somewhere to deplete battery to 0 atleast every few months if not sooner. Dont know if its true though.
This is intended to be generic - Moto G3 with any ROM - stock or custom, and any apps on it.
I had drained my battery to 40% chasing a supposed weak signal problem, and noticed that it seemed to take many hours to recharge. Probably didn't help that I left it on while charging. I have always recharged this only letting it get down to maybe 80%. Some folks say that is bad.
I ordered a replacement battery on ebay. Currently undecided whether to install it.
Searched around for determining battery health and yes there is the usual very extensive test that will probably kill your battery by the time you are done.
One app said my battery was "good". Another wanted to calibrate it "Advanced battery calibrator" which wanted to install "battery life repair" which wanted to check my battery, supposedly found some bad cells, and when told to fix them, supposedly fixed them (NASA should be alerted about this for things like Mars Rovers!!!)( ), and of course a bunch of reviewers saying it's fake, and etc.
BUT... All that aside, I thought I would post that to see if anyone has found any great pearl of wisdom as to determining when to replace a battery. Or how to extend it's life. Or anything else pertaining to MG3 phone batteries..
EDIT: found this at http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a15731/best-way-to-keep-li-ion-batteries-charged/
One cycle is just one bout of discharging, but how much energy you discharge in one go—a measure referred to as depth of discharge (DoD)—matters bigtime. Lithium-ions really hate a deep depth of discharge. According to Battery University, a staggeringly exhaustive resource on the topic, a li-ion that goes through 100 percent DoD (the user runs it down all the way to zero before recharging) can degrade to 70 percent of its original capacity in 300-500 cycles. With a DoD of 25 percent, where the user plugs it in as soon as it gets to 75 percent remain, that same battery could be charged up to 2,500 times before it starts to seriously degrade.
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Oddly that's what I've been doing. Maybe battery's fine...? Figure 2 years at 1/day = 720. But what would leaving it plugged in all night be considered?
Then there's this which says don't leave it plugged in when it's fully charged (which I do overnight)
https://www.sciencealert.com/here-is-the-best-way-to-charge-your-phone
Yes, we know. Our smartphone batteries are bad because they barely last a day.
But it's partially our fault because we've been charging them wrong this whole time.
Many of us have an ingrained notion that charging our smartphones in small bursts will cause long-term damage to their batteries and that it's better to charge them when they're close to dead.
But we couldn't be more wrong.
In fact, a site from battery company Cadex called Battery University details how the lithium-ion batteries in our smartphones are sensitive to their own versions of 'stress'. And, like for humans, extended stress could be damaging your smartphone battery's long-term lifespan.
If you want to keep your smartphone battery in top condition and go about your day without worrying about battery life, you need to change a few things.
Don't keep it plugged in when it's fully charged
According to Battery University, leaving your phone plugged in when it's fully charged, like you might overnight, is bad for the battery in the long run.
Once your smartphone has reached 100 percent charge, it gets 'trickle charges' to keep it at 100 percent while plugged in. It keeps the battery in a high-stress, high-tension state, which wears down the chemistry within.
Battery University goes into a bunch of scientific detail explaining why, but it also sums it up nicely: "When fully charged, remove the battery" from its charging device. "This is like relaxing the muscles after strenuous exercise." You too would be pretty miserable if you worked out nonstop for hours and hours.
In fact, try not to charge it to 100 percent
At least when you don't have to.
According to Battery University, "Li-ion does not need to be fully charged, nor is it desirable to do so. In fact, it is better not to fully charge, because a high voltage stresses the battery" and wears it away in the long run.
That might seem counterintuitive if you're trying to keep your smartphone charged all day, but just plug it in whenever you can during the day, and you'll be fine.
Plug in your phone whenever you can
It turns out that the batteries in our smartphones are much happier if you charge them occasionally throughout the day instead of plugging them in for a big charging session when they're empty.
Charging your phone when it loses 10 percent of its charge would be the best-case scenario, according to Battery University. Obviously, that's not practical for most people, so just plug in your smartphone whenever you can. It's fine to plug and unplug it multiple times a day.
Not only does this keep your smartphone's battery performing optimally for longer, but it also keeps it topped up throughout the day.
Plus, periodic top-ups also let you use features you might not normally use because they hog your battery life, like location-based features that use your smartphone's GPS antenna.
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Hi Guys,
What is the best practice to charge our Note 20 to maintain good battery life?
I checked my charge cycle and it shows its 8 so far but I only have the phone for a few days now. And I guess 8 is not good as it says on Internet the battery life cycle is 400-500 charge cycles. So I want to avoid battery damage.
With this in mind:
1. Do we need to wait for phone to completely shut down because of battery and then recharge? Or its not good for the battery?
2. If the answer to previous question is "no" then when exactly we need to charge the battery to maintain good battery health? If, for example, the phone is on 30% and we recharge, how is it different from phone being on 80% and we recharge battery life-wise? And how this affects charge cycle and health?
3. Can we charge the phone as often as we want despite the battery level?
4. Can we leave the phone charged at all times (100%)
Just want to make sure I am using the most efficient method. Don't want my battery to die in a few months time.
Thanks!
Just change it whenever you want. No matter how you take care of the battery. With today's battery technology, you need a replacement after 2 years.
Best practice is never run your phone or any battery powered device past 25%. I know it's easy to do since we are on our device pretty much all day. Reason for this is because when charging the battery it needs to have resistance to charge correctly. Less resistance the less charge is given there for weakening the battery life and quality. I charge mine every night no matter what. Ive been doing this with all my Samsung phones and never had any issues. And last its OK to run the ballery down once a month to clean out old or bad charge voltage left behind.
Best to charge between 30-80%
Li's love small frequent charges ie 40 to 65%
As the cell voltage climbs so does the damage; try to avoid going above 80%.
Charging battery below 80° F can cause LI plating which permanently degrades the cell; try to avoid. Never charge when below freezing.
Try to avoid going over 100° F
High temperatures and battery voltage cause the most damage.
Between 5-20% has the lowest power density of the voltage curve, try to avoid using that range.
If discharged to 5%, recharge within a few days. If the cell voltage drops too low it will be useless. Generally this would take 2 months or more but don't chance it.
Use the 25 watt brick to charge, enable fast charging.
Do you use the 85% charge limit?
i personally think that 85% is BS i have had god knows how many phone all charged to 100% every single night and ZERO! issue. and limiting this phone specially to 85 is a big cut in the hours you will get.
Not a chance. I'd hate this phone if it only charged to 85%.
I Use it all the time. 85% is enough Juice for one workday and i simple want the battery to last as long as possible. I have had bad experience with batteries dying after ~3 years.
The 85% Rule is no BS. You also have to keep an eye on minimal SOC and never go under 10% to avoid unnecessary battery degradation. With that your battery will perform according to the specs (~700 cycles until 80% SOH, modern smartphone batteries). Otherwise it will suffer and that reduces cycle life. This is simply the state of current lithium battery tech.
From my pov, a full day usage requires 100% of charge because some of them cannot charge the phone while they are outside the whole day.
I have wireless chargers almost everywhere, so when my phone is not being used it's normally sitting on a charger. That means that it very rarely uses much charge, so charging to 85% is fine by me. If I knew that I was going to be away from a charger for a protracted period, then I'd probably charge to 100% beforehand.
I can't get too excited about battery management. If I need to buy a new battery for my phone at some point in the future (it has never happened yet...) then that's what I'll do.
i use 85% because i have quick carger in my car and it charge all the time.
at home I have wireless charger and when i need i put it.
I tried it for a few weeks and instead of having 80% leaving work I was at 50%, not really worth it since I'll probably have a new phone in six months. It was too much of a headache stressing about battery life without the phone fully charging.
No, I charged to 100%.