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I have an unlocked touch cruise with t-mobile in the us, but don’t understand how, or if I can, use the 3g function for internet data access. My questions are as follows:
1. How do I find out if my phone is the European version or the US version (each has differing specs on accessing the 3g network).
2. If it is the US version, will I be able to access the 3g network on t-mobile or AT&T in the US?
3. If it is the European version, will I be able to access the 3g network.
4. How do I know whether my phone is accessing 3g or not?
5. Is there a software fix to allow me to use either the European version or us version to access 3G.
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
Dave
there's only one version of the Cruise out:
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=798
These are the frequencies:
Network HSDPA/UMTS: 2100 MHz (Europe), 850/1900 MHz (USA)
HSDPA: Up to 384kbps for upload and 3.6Mbps for download
UMTS: Up to 384kbps for upload and download
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Quad-band 850, 900, 1800, and 1900 MHz (The device will operate on frequencies available from the cellular network)
It's triband 3G. It is currently working on ATT 3G in the US. I don't know about TMobile is there 3G network up and running, and if so I don't remember what frequency that might be at.
The icons at the top point to what type of network E/G is Edge, while 3G/H is 3G.
You can go into the Phone Settings under Band and see some of the different frequency choices. You can force it to be on Edge/GSM there or Auto (which will pick up 3G if it's available).
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hambola said:
there's only one version of the Cruise out:
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=798
These are the frequencies:
Network HSDPA/UMTS: 2100 MHz (Europe), 850/1900 MHz (USA)
HSDPA: Up to 384kbps for upload and 3.6Mbps for download
UMTS: Up to 384kbps for upload and download
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Quad-band 850, 900, 1800, and 1900 MHz (The device will operate on frequencies available from the cellular network)
It's triband 3G. It is currently working on ATT 3G in the US. I don't know about TMobile is there 3G network up and running, and if so I don't remember what frequency that might be at.
The icons at the top point to what type of network E/G is Edge, while 3G/H is 3G.
You can go into the Phone Settings under Band and see some of the different frequency choices. You can force it to be on Edge/GSM there or Auto (which will pick up 3G if it's available).
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As I understand it (for internet data access) the european version (as alluded to in your quote) works at Network frequency: HSDPA/UMTS: 2100 MHz (Europe), the American version at the frequencies: 850/1900 MHz (USA). If my phone is the european version, then it works at 2100, and will not access usa networks, unless there is a fix.
t-mobile is 3G in my area.
How to I access the "phone settings under band". I cannot find this on my phone.
Thanks
What I am saying is the device can function on all 3 frequencies listed on the specifications page. I believe the Tmobile 3G frequencies are 1700/2100. You might want to search on the forum and check it out for sure. If it is 1700 you are out of luck. Here are some threads discussing it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427700
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417437
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391339
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390449
Go to Start -> Settings -> Band tab. If you don't have it, there is a registry tweak that enables that tab.
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hambola said:
What I am saying is the device can function on all 3 frequencies listed on the specifications page. I believe the Tmobile 3G frequencies are 1700/2100. You might want to search on the forum and check it out for sure. If it is 1700 you are out of luck. Here are some threads discussing it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427700
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417437
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391339
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390449
Go to Start -> Settings -> Band tab. If you don't have it, there is a registry tweak that enables that tab.
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hmmm, htc told me there were two versions that the european version does not have the capability to switch to the us frequencies, which the specs list as 850 / 1900, but is only using the 2100 frequency. I'm not sure htc tech support is always accurate.
However when I go to the band tab via comm manager, settings, phone, band, it shows me (found with your assistance) that I can select gsm (1900 + 850) + UMTS(1900+850). I assume I should use this setting rather then auto.
T-mobile claims they use the 1900 and 850 bands. I am still at Edge.
I have not had time to read the threads you listed, and will do that later today. Perhaps I will have more questions then, but for now, did I select the correct gsm settings?
Thanks,
Dave
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ok, read the posts you mentioned.
More information about differing versions
from phonescoop.com:
Versions of touch cruise for different regions support different 3G frequency bands.Eurasian version is WCDMA 2100 only)
I assume that since the 850 and 1900 is listed in my setup program, I have the usa version, if phonescoop is correct about two versions.
Since t-mobile works on 1700 I assume I cannot have 3g with them.
Will I get 3g with AT&T?
i personally have never heard of 2 different versions of the Cruise. I have one presumably imported from the UK and works on 3G here.
Btw the Cruise manual says this:
FunctionalityHSDPA/UMTS: 2100MHz for Europe, 850/1900MHz for USA HSDPA: Up to 384kbps for upload and 3.6Mbps for download UMTS: Up to 384kbps for upload and download
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, and 1900)
There is only one version of the Cruise.
Also a caveat about the bands available in the Band tab of the Phone Settings. I believe some options might be available in the drop down even though the phone doesn't support it. Best thing is to look at the phone specs.
Mmmm... My Polaris shows this:
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Mmmm... My Polaris shows this:
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Mmmm... My Polaris shows this:
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Bodison,
My phone has the same features in your picture.
1. Hambola states
"Also a caveat about the bands available in the Band tab of the Phone Settings. I believe some options might be available in the drop down even though the phone doesn't support it. Best thing is to look at the phone specs."
suggesting what's in the picture may not be in the phone.
2. He also states:
a.
"FunctionalityHSDPA/UMTS: 2100MHz for Europe, 850/1900MHz for USA HSDPA: Up to 384kbps for upload and 3.6Mbps for download UMTS: Up to 384kbps for upload and download
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, and 1900)
b.There is only one version of the Cruise."
The phone specs restate what he states in 2a.
A and B seem to contradict one another. Unless it means that the phone is capable of all the MHz frequencies mentioned (850, 1900, and 2100), and when used in Europe it accesses 2100 frequency, and in the US the other frequency. This is not clearly stated in the specs.
If the allusion to functionality does not mean that the frequency used depends on where the phone is used, then therefore there are two versions, with hsdpa/umts for europe (2100) and another for USA (850/1900). In any case, HTC (probably not the ulimate source of reliability) states that there are indeed two versions.
According to Hambola's reference to the caution that what is in the picture may not be in the phone, what is in the picture shows what is in the specs of the phone. He is therefore suggesting that what is in the specs of the phone (as shown in the picture) are not reliable. Not sure what the implications of this are.
I have been reading other posts about 3g with ATT. Is it safe to assume that (if there is one version of the phone, or I have the one that is able to access the US bands as shown in Bodison's picture), that I will be smokin when I switch to ATT in January when my contract runs out?
I am pretty sure there is only one version of the Cruise and it has those 3 bands listed for 3G. In fact there are guys on this forum that have the UK Orbit O2 running on the ATT 3G stateside.
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In any case, I tested my phone with a buddy's ATT sim card and was able to access 3G for browsing just fine.
I agree there is one version, though the HTC rep told me otherwise, he was probably....
Is there a way to change the 3G Frequencies on the G1 to support AT&T 3G network?
Nope, thats a hardware issue.
I thought it was possibly a software issue. If not, is there a way to change out the chip or the incompatable part to make it compatible?
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I thought it was possibly a software issue. If not, is there a way to change out the chip or the incompatable part to make it compatible?
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Nope...not going to work for many reasons.
been answered plenty plenty of times.
From what I can figure a hardware change may not be required with the correct radio but we dont know the right radio without the right hardware. lol I know that makes no sense but it makes as much sense as anyone can make of it thus far. When its possible I assure you I will be among the first to do it. Although Im not ready to try installing a new radio without first acquiring a backup phone but if I do Im gonna give it a try and maybe have better luck than the last guy to try.
What about a mini-usb attachment that can receive atnt signals?
I am sure with that and the right software manipulation it could work.
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What about a mini-usb attachment that can receive atnt signals?
I am sure with that and the right software manipulation it could work.
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While it sounds great in theory I doubt anyone would put forth the resources for such a limited market.
You would be best off getting android to work on existing AT&T hardware.
in order to do it we would need hardware which would plug in the bottom and software to tell the phone to use the signal from the attachment.
while there wouldnt be millions in the market i guarantee there are hundreds.
if anyone wants to think about it i dont mind making 50 of em and selling for cost. i have some hook ups in the engineering field i work in
ok, my question is... Europe 3g is diff than tmob usa 3g, but is tmob europe the same 3g setup as US? and if europe 3g is same as tmob europe 3g, is att US 3g same as europe 3g. so if tmob europe is same as europe 3g then a europe g1 should work on att US 3g. am i coming thru clear or am i jumping all over?
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Shagman68 said:
ok, my question is... Europe 3g is diff than tmob usa 3g, but is tmob europe the same 3g setup as US? and if europe 3g is same as tmob europe 3g, is att US 3g same as europe 3g. so if tmob europe is same as europe 3g then a europe g1 should work on att US 3g. am i coming thru clear or am i jumping all over?
Shaggy
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The American G1 has 3G support for HSDPA 1700 MHz & 2100 MHz, both bands I believe are used by T-Mobile. In Europe I believe they use only 2100 MHz band for 3G.
AT&T on the other hand uses 850 and 1900 MHz HSDPA
The phone has the capability for 2G at 850 and 1900 MHz, so technically it can be used on their network, just not at 3G speeds.
Although technically it's possible to design a Phase-Locked Loop to operate at a variable frequency and to be tuned with jumpers or something, it's probably cheaper for them or they might be subsidized to make phones so that they are exclusive for one network in the US.
To me the ideal is more about standardizing the protocols and the frequencies used for all companies, and having all bands available for traffic. But at least in the short-term that's not really good for business and so probably won't happen for a while.
This is all based entirely on a limited amount of research and my opinion, take it for what it's worth.
Europe uses 1900/2100 in a pair (1900 is the uplink, 2100 is the downlink). (source)
Most phones produced these days are tri or quad band and can work (almost) anywhere.. I'm surprised the G1 isn't.
Shagman68 said:
ok, my question is... Europe 3g is diff than tmob usa 3g, but is tmob europe the same 3g setup as US? and if europe 3g is same as tmob europe 3g, is att US 3g same as europe 3g. so if tmob europe is same as europe 3g then a europe g1 should work on att US 3g. am i coming thru clear or am i jumping all over?
Shaggy
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TonyHoyle said:
Europe uses 1900/2100 in a pair (1900 is the uplink, 2100 is the downlink). (source)
Most phones produced these days are tri or quad band and can work (almost) anywhere.. I'm surprised the G1 isn't.
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*sigh*.
Folks, you need to learn about UMTS bands before complaining about that the G1 or any other phone can't do this or that when it certainly can.
The G1 is a 3g worldphone. It works on the US 1700 AWS network (UMTS Band IV) and works on the world's 2100 network (UMTS Band I). ATT uses the 1900 Band (UMTS Band II).
Apparently the common names for these networks is being confused with the actual operating frequencies because they don't upload and download on the same frequencies. The 1900 band is not the same as the 2100 band, even though the 2100 band (UMTS Band I) uploads in the 1900mhz frequency and downloads at the 2100mhz frequency range. The 1900 Band (UMTS Band II) uploads on the upper half of the 1800mhz and downloads on the 1900mhz frequency range. UMTS Band II uploads on the frequencies that UMTS Band I downloads.
These bands separate.
TMO 3g band is different from ATT 3g band which is also different from EU 3g band.
The 1700 band (UMTS band IV) is actually made up of 2 frequency ranges like the other bands I and II are: 1700mhz and 2100mhz. In fact, the 2100mhz download range for UMTS Band IV is within the same frequencies used for the Band I download range, theoretically making it cheaper/easier for manufacturers who make Band I phones to "support" UMTS Band IV phone production.
Most phones produced today are NOT "tri or quad-band" 3g phones. In fact, I have yet to find a quad-band 3g phone. If quad-band 3g phones were made, they would be very likely to support the T-Mobile 3g network, because it's the 4th largest UMTS band type (behind Band I, II, and V). I would be very shocked to find a phone which was 2100/1900/900/850 instead of 2100/1900/1700/850.
And the G1 is a worldphone. It works just fine on UMTS in Europe. It is a band I and band IV device.
read these 2 links:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#UMTS-FDD
So to clarify, when you see a list of support bands, this is what you should interpret from those advertised bands:
2100 Band = UMTS Band I (The entire world outside of North America)
1900 Band = UMTS Band II (The Americas, ATT)
1700 Band = UMTS Band IV (The Americas, TMO)
900 Band = UMTS Band VIII (Australia)
850 Band = UMTS Band V (The Americas, ATT)
Outside of North America, the 2100 band is almost universally deployed, even where the 850,900,1700 or 1900 band is deployed.
I have done some searches and have not found a valid answer to this question. Since the HTC Touch Pro (Rafael), HTC has only put only the UMTS 900 & 2100 3G bands on their unlocked phones. Every phone released since then, has not had the UMTS 850 Band used in North America.
One response HTC purportedly gave was that due to the smaller size of the Touch Pro and the inclusion of GPS, there just wasn't room for more bands. I think this argument is pure BS. The Kaiser had three UMTS bands: 850, 1900, and 2100 and GPS. Making it good for The U.S. and Europe. All the new unlocked devices have 900 and 2100 - for Europe and Asia.
HTC's Touch Pro 2 is also following this disturbing trend having only the 900 and 2100 bands. So European businessmen traveling to the U.S. get no 3G reception on their expensive "top of the line" phone. What's HTC going to say now, there's no enough room in that monster the Touch Pro 2?
Along the sames lines, those in North America cannot buy direct an unlocked 3G phone. They will have to buy their phones directly from AT&T or T-Mobile and get locked into a long term contract to get one.
Everyone on this forum should be upset about this. My guess is that HTC is bowing to pressure from carriers to make the phones unusable on other carriers. This lets the carriers stick it to the customer.
Personally, I'd like to see Quad Band 3G in the phones so they can be used almost anywhere like they could with the Edge networks.
hello!
i ordered the Global GSM version of the moto G will it still work with US carriers?
lamaboy99 said:
hello!
i ordered the Global GSM version of the moto G will it still work with US carriers?
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Yes. I believe the difference is that the US version has the 1700AWS band for T-Mobile. Global has the 2100 band that works better overseas.
Ok thanks I don't have TMobile or one of their subsidiaries anyway and tend to travel over seas in the summer so looks like I made the right choice anyway
US radio specs:
Global GSM Model: GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
US GSM Model:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps (850, 1700 (AWS), 1900 MHz)
CDMA Model: CDMA/EVDO Rev A (850, 1900 MHz)
UK Band specs:
HSPA+ DL 21.1Mbps / UL 5.76Mbps- EV-DO Rev.A DL 3.1Mbps / UL 1.8Mbps
Bands/Modes CDMA: 850/1900 UMTS: 850/900/1700/1900/2100 GSM: 850/900/1800/1900
Canada, Telus Only
HSPA 850/900/1900/2100 ; GSM 850/900/1800/1900
above information pulled from thread here by no1_cdn here........
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2544708
i own the uk 8gb version screen capture of preferred list bellow
Thanks for the help guys
I'm thinking of getting the G. I will use it in Germany for 3 wks next year, and use it once (2-3 wks) in Taiwan when I visit my friends and family. I will mostly use it in the US trying out different prepaid plans. I think I'd better get a US version, but is there any chance to get 3G in Europe or Taiwan with a US version?
Thanks.
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miinshiou said:
I'm thinking of getting the G. I will use it in Germany for 3 wks next year, and use it once (2-3 wks) in Taiwan when I visit my friends and family. I will mostly use it in the US trying out different prepaid plans. I think I'd better get a US version, but is there any chance to get 3G in Europe or Taiwan with a US version?
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No with the US version you will NOT get 3G in Europe or Taiwan. You will get 2G however. If you want 3G overseas you need to the global version but you lose T-mobiles AWS band support.
thanks. Is there a phone (moto x, nexus 5, or anything) that support 3G band of all carriers in all regions?
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A thing that I've noticed in the reviews is that the US versions of the phone, the cases (at least the black one) has a "metallic" look on that M on the back while the Global / European version that M it's only glossy.
Just got my US 16gb model yesterday via Amazon. Back cover has a glossy black "M" logo, nothing metallic about it.
Bummer to hear this phone won't do 3G in Europe, I went with the USA model since I just moved over to T-mobile, and a lot of the 3G signal in my area is still on 1700 mhz. My AT&T phone was getting 3G in a lot of areas, but just enough EDGE data to annoy me and make me buy the G.
Hey guys,
Does anyone know the actual Network Frequencies the Honor 8 (FRD-L04) supports? I'm finding varying results across the web and can't find one answer.
I'm going to be in the U.K. for an extended time and want to make sure the FRD-L04 supports 3G and 4G while there... Through my research, I'm quite certain that this phone supports LTE bands 3 (1800MHz), 7 (2600MHz), and 20 (800MHz) which means LTE won't be a problem in the UK...
My question is this: What 3G / UMTS frequencies does this phone support? On Best Buy it lists "1700, 1900, 2100, 850, 900" which is good because that supports UK's networks, but I can't find the same frequencies anywhere else, and Huawei hasn't been much help. As long as it supports #G frequencies 2100MHz and 900MHz, I should be good.
I attached Best Buy's specs below.
Can anyone confirm that these frequencies/bands are in fact supported by the Honor 8 FRD-L04 model?
connorhiller said:
My question is this: What 3G / UMTS frequencies] does this phone support?[/B On Best Buy it lists "1700, 1900, 2100, 850, 900" which is good because that supports UK's networks, but I can't find the same frequencies anywhere else, and Huawei hasn't been much help. As long as it supports #G frequencies 2100MHz and 900MHz, I should be good.
Can anyone confirm that these frequencies/bands are in fact supported by the Honor 8 FRD-L04 model?
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FRD-L04 = US model?
If yes:
https://store.hihonor.com/us/honor-8/specification
Hi Honor US said:
WCDMA: B1/B2/B4/B5/B8,
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
WCDMA: 384 Kbit/s (UL), 384 Kbit/s (DL)，
HSPA Category 24: 5.76 Mbit/s (UL),42 Mbit/s (DL)，
EDGE Class 10: 118.4 Kbit/s (UL),236.8 Kbit/s (DL)，
GPRS: 40 Kbit/s (UL), 60 Kbit/s (DL)
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B1 = 2100
B2 = 1900
B4 = 1700
B5 = 850
B8 = 900
Palux said:
FRD-L04 = US model?
If yes:
https://store.hihonor.com/us/honor-8/specification
B1 = 2100
B2 = 1900
B4 = 1700
B5 = 850
B8 = 900
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Perfect. Thanks.
Doesn't WCDMA only work in the US though or should it work in England too?
This type of stuff confuses me haha.
3G in United Kingdom = 2100 MHz and 900 MHz
Depending on what UK Cell Provider you are with. You might be able to get LTE/4G coverage in the UK, I'd suggest researching UK Cell Providers first.
connorhiller said:
Hey guys,
Does anyone know the actual Network Frequencies the Honor 8 (FRD-L04) supports? I'm finding varying results across the web and can't find one answer.
I'm going to be in the U.K. for an extended time and want to make sure the FRD-L04 supports 3G and 4G while there... Through my research, I'm quite certain that this phone supports LTE bands 3 (1800MHz), 7 (2600MHz), and 20 (800MHz) which means LTE won't be a problem in the UK...
My question is this: What 3G / UMTS frequencies does this phone support? On Best Buy it lists "1700, 1900, 2100, 850, 900" which is good because that supports UK's networks, but I can't find the same frequencies anywhere else, and Huawei hasn't been much help. As long as it supports #G frequencies 2100MHz and 900MHz, I should be good.
I attached Best Buy's specs below.
Can anyone confirm that these frequencies/bands are in fact supported by the Honor 8 FRD-L04 model?
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Hi all,
I have a similar predicament. I am wanting to buy the FRD-L04, but I split my time between the USA and Australia. However, I'm confused as there seems to be multiple different sites listing different things for the LTE band capabilities of this model.
In the US, I use T-Mobile. Which looks as though it is fully covered.
In Australia, I use Telstra, which uses LTE bands 1, 3 and 28. It looks as though 1 and 3 should be fine, but no 28 (not a big deal).
Frequencycheck seems to disagree, however BestBuy and Honor's own site seem to agree. Can anyone confirm that the specs on Honor's site are accurate?
Thanks.
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Hi all,
I have a similar predicament. I am wanting to buy the FRD-L04, but I split my time between the USA and Australia. However, I'm confused as there seems to be multiple different sites listing different things for the LTE band capabilities of this model.
In the US, I use T-Mobile. Which looks as though it is fully covered.
In Australia, I use Telstra, which uses LTE bands 1, 3 and 28. It looks as though 1 and 3 should be fine, but no 28 (not a big deal).
Frequencycheck seems to disagree, however BestBuy and Honor's own site seem to agree. Can anyone confirm that the specs on Honor's site are accurate?
Thanks.
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Specs in the Honor site is the accurate one. Frequency check website shows wrong info. It is happening for many devices.
You should trust the manufacturer website.