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I am wondering if anyone of you feel suspicious about RAM consumption on android?
Here is an example:
Galaxy tab 2 7" listed with 1GB RAM, but when viewed with stock task manager in RAM manager section, the RAM available is not 1GB, but rather on some 687MB. Furthermore, from that 687MB there is some already used by apps. Even on newly bought device with no open apps, the amount of used RAM is around 200MB, so that leaves only approx 487MB left. Even after using task killers, there is still hundreds of MB used RAM
When I search for why the RAM is not 1GB, people answer its because its reserved by android.
When I search for why there are used RAM when there is no open apps and on newly bought device, people also answer its because its used by android.
So I would categorize the problem as "the missing RAM" and "the used RAM" and ask these question:
1. If the "missing RAM" is reserved by android, then what is using the "used RAM"?
2. If the "used RAM" is used by android, then what is causing the "missing RAM"?
Does that means android double use the RAM? or is it something else?
Please enlighten me.
Great question, and I have been wondering the same thing. :thumbup:
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The problem with me is somewhat like you i found with stock rom that have alot of bloatware that i have about 680 mb after installing cm10 which do not have bloatware at all the same amount of memory is found !!!!
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It's easy in the world of IT 1gb is never 1024mb its 1,000mb in most cases(You can actually see your computers harddrive where they say 500gb = 500,000MB)(but it will probably maximum 998)Why? in the factory where these are made they cannot achieve 100% "capability" And where is the missing 300mb? its reserved for the ACTUAL Android system.In the task killers you can see that there are some apps running(samsung touchwiz,system-apps(not google) Which MAINTAIN the system ,and you can also see that the google apps and some other(fb,twitter etc which needs to check the intertnet to get notification etc are running too.Now to increase the ram you can install a custom rom/kernel to remove somethings(for e.g touchwiz) to get more RAM.
Now dont take these notes to serious I'm not working in these factories,places where they do this.But this is MY theory.
Tab2 should have 1 gb ram right
Galaxy s2 should also have 1 gb ram right
So why the hell when i install cm in both ram in s2 is 827 mb and in tab2 is 687 mb it is driving me mad !!!
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PX7 said:
It's easy in the world of IT 1gb is never 1024mb its 1,000mb in most cases(You can actually see your computers harddrive where they say 500gb = 500,000MB)(but it will probably maximum 998)Why? in the factory where these are made they cannot achieve 100% "capability" And where is the missing 300mb? its reserved for the ACTUAL Android system.In the task killers you can see that there are some apps running(samsung touchwiz,system-apps(not google) Which MAINTAIN the system ,and you can also see that the google apps and some other(fb,twitter etc which needs to check the intertnet to get notification etc are running too.Now to increase the ram you can install a custom rom/kernel to remove somethings(for e.g touchwiz) to get more RAM.
Now dont take these notes to serious I'm not working in these factories,places where they do this.But this is MY theory.
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I do realize 1GB is not 1024MB, but at least task manager should show something around 900MB like you said.
For the Touchwiz theory, I also think that it might be the culprit of the "used RAM", but i don't think it would be that much, but that's because I'm not including google apps on that. So i think your theory might be right.
Selim already answer the "missing RAM" part, it is the same amount on custom ROM, which means they DO reserved by android. And that leads to how much is the "used RAM" part, is it more "sensible" without the bloatware running around?
Mohamedselim said:
The problem with me is somewhat like you i found with stock rom that have alot of bloatware that i have about 680 mb after installing cm10 which do not have bloatware at all the same amount of memory is found !!!!
Tab2 should have 1 gb ram right
Galaxy s2 should also have 1 gb ram right
So why the hell when i install cm in both ram in s2 is 827 mb and in tab2 is 687 mb it is driving me mad !!!
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[URL="http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care"]Read this and chill out
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There are settings (in Android we call them "minfree" settings) to tell the system how much RAM to leave free and available, but the rest is designed to fill up as fast as possible and stay that way.
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For most android devices, the true available RAM is always less than the stated figure, like GT2 has only 687MB, HTC One X has 976MB even both devices has 1GB RAM
Those missing RAM are not stolen, instead they are reserved by the kernel for hardware of the devices. Don't blame anyone for this, this is crucial.
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Read this and chill out
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That is an interesting concept of memory management.
FYI, I'm not freaked out, just wondering where the memory goes, is it effectively used or eaten by some "rouge" apps.
Thanks anyway
However my Galaxy Tab plus with ics had about 800 mb ram in the task manager. Now (yes, my gtab plus has been stolen... grr) I have the tab 2 and I see only 687. Really strange, don't you think?
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RAM HELP
can someone who has well experienced with different ROMS for tab2 7.0(p3100) help me??
i originally had ICS 4.0.4 which displayed around 680 MB ram, then upgraded it to 4.1.2 jelly bean which displayed me 770 MB RAM.
i though as custom ROMS have seldom bloatwares, atleast they should display more memory, but to my surprise i found 691 MB RAM on the latest nightly build of Cyanogenmod 10.1(jelly bean 4.2). I ve not used the AOKP jelly bean ROM due to limited internet(downloading) at my place.
as i am having a LIMITED FREE INTERNET USAGE, i am not dowloading more ROMS until some one finally helps me with the fact that
"WHICH ROM DISPLAYS MORE MEMORY FOR TAB 2 P3100??????" so that i can download it the next month or via some other network
I don't think you for it, the missing ram is the system. The tab has 1 gig to start, but whennyou fire it up, the system has to use resources. The same way a computer says it has 2 gigs, but if you check, it is lower. The reason this changes from rom to rom is because each system has its own ram management. Does this help?
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So, I would like to compare other people RAM USAGE
Is mine normal? I dont have 100s of Apps, i Disable junk i dont need and keep mydevice well running.
Well, Do Post ! and Offer Advice!
Has anyone rooted and got rid of the MOTO things in RAM, ??? Like Moto care etc image 1
So here is my ram usage. Not rooted or anything.
And my storage
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So here is my ram usage. Not rooted or anything.
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Image 1 ? Whats - Whatsapp2date?? What on earth is that?
It's an app that searches for the newest wa version on the wa server and you can download it. Sometimes new versions are on the server for weeks before they are found in the play store
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Do not worry about the RAM usage. RAM is there to be used. There is no point in the system keeping lots of RAM free, this makes the system perform worse. The idea is that as apps are used (either started by the user or automatically started when an app is woken etc) they are of course using RAM, the system keeps them in RAM so they can quickly be accessed next time they are required.
If the system closed all apps etc to free RAM you basically end up with more free RAM, but for what purpose. No use it sitting there empty - may as well go and buy a phone with 128MB rather than 1024MB if you dont want to use much RAM
If you start an app that needs a lot of RAM (more than is currently free) the system just removes older apps from RAM to free up the RAM required.
It is not worth comparing your phone's normal RAM usage to another phone, each person has different apps and uses the phone in different ways. It makes no sense at all to compare two phones where RAM is concerned.
Obviously there is the possibility that an app has a memory leak and starts to eat all the RAM up, but you would then most lilkely notice something was up with the phone, eg it slows down, things stop working etc. At that point you would reboot and note the RAM, then use the phone and monitor RAM every so often, at some point you may noitce RAM use going up and up to 100% - hopefully you are using a monitoring too to tell whats eating all the RAM and you then delete the app.
If your phone is running fine and you have some free RAM, even if just a smallish amount, then most likely things are running just as they should.
I am a UNIX sys admin and we have AIX (IBM's UNIX) servers with huge amounts of RAM, eg one Im looking at now has 130GB of RAM and its 98.7% used. Thats a good thing as we are making good use of the expensive RAM, if it was 50% used we'd be wasting 65GB of RAM which costs money.
are moto g with kitkat doing better in managing ram?since its a feature in 4.4.
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Do not worry about the RAM usage. RAM is tither started by the user or automatically started when an app is woken etc) they are of course
I am a UNIX sys admin and we have AIX (IBM's UNIX) servers with huge amounts of RAM, eg one Im looking at now has 130GB of RAM and its 98.7% used. Thats a good thing as we are making good use of the expensive RAM, if it was 50% used we'd be wasting 65GB of RAM which costs money.
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Wow! Thanks you very much for replying and giving this infomation, helps alot! You learn something new each day! Yes!
and wow! 130GB RAM and yeah it makes sense now True Say! i understand it better now :good:
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are moto g with kitkat doing better in managing ram?since its a feature in 4.4.
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What do you mean "better"? Are you implying that Moto G in JB does "bad"? JB manages the RAM well enough for everyone as far as I've heard. If you want to have a lot of open apps, then you're going to run out of RAM, that's for sure, doesn't matter what version you are using.
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What do you mean "better"? Are you implying that Moto G in JB does "bad"? JB manages the RAM well enough for everyone as far as I've heard. If you want to have a lot of open apps, then you're going to run out of RAM, that's for sure, doesn't matter what version you are using.
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wow,hold on brother~thats not what i meant,the benefit of kitkat as u all know is better management in ram,eg device with 512mb ram,i wanna know whatever ram management are bttr in kitkat compare to jellybean for moto g user out there.
don't be so piss next time,do some research on kitkat 1st,peace
I know what's new on KitKat, don't be afraid
What I wanted to say is that Moto G doesn't have any problems with RAM management, so you shouldn't expect anything much to change.
If you are desperate about the numbers, someone posted before that it decreased by ~20-30MB when idle. And if you want to see the changes with specific apps open, you would have to do a thorough inspection with 4.3 first, then compare it after the update. You wouldn't notice anything from the point of a user using the phone.
Thanks
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Do not worry about the RAM usage. RAM is there to be used. There is no point in the system keeping lots of RAM free, this makes the system perform worse. The idea is that as apps are used (either started by the user or automatically started when an app is woken etc) they are of course using RAM, the system keeps them in RAM so they can quickly be accessed next time they are required.
If the system closed all apps etc to free RAM you basically end up with more free RAM, but for what purpose. No use it sitting there empty - may as well go and buy a phone with 128MB rather than 1024MB if you dont want to use much RAM
If you start an app that needs a lot of RAM (more than is currently free) the system just removes older apps from RAM to free up the RAM required.
It is not worth comparing your phone's normal RAM usage to another phone, each person has different apps and uses the phone in different ways. It makes no sense at all to compare two phones where RAM is concerned.
Obviously there is the possibility that an app has a memory leak and starts to eat all the RAM up, but you would then most lilkely notice something was up with the phone, eg it slows down, things stop working etc. At that point you would reboot and note the RAM, then use the phone and monitor RAM every so often, at some point you may noitce RAM use going up and up to 100% - hopefully you are using a monitoring too to tell whats eating all the RAM and you then delete the app.
If your phone is running fine and you have some free RAM, even if just a smallish amount, then most likely things are running just as they should.
I am a UNIX sys admin and we have AIX (IBM's UNIX) servers with huge amounts of RAM, eg one Im looking at now has 130GB of RAM and its 98.7% used. Thats a good thing as we are making good use of the expensive RAM, if it was 50% used we'd be wasting 65GB of RAM which costs money.
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Thanks buddy. You made this thread closed. Thumbs up :good:
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Do not worry about the RAM usage. RAM is there to be used. There is no point in the system keeping lots of RAM free, this makes the system perform worse. The idea is that as apps are used (either started by the user or automatically started when an app is woken etc) they are of course using RAM, the system keeps them in RAM so they can quickly be accessed next time they are required.
If the system closed all apps etc to free RAM you basically end up with more free RAM, but for what purpose. No use it sitting there empty - may as well go and buy a phone with 128MB rather than 1024MB if you dont want to use much RAM
If you start an app that needs a lot of RAM (more than is currently free) the system just removes older apps from RAM to free up the RAM required.
It is not worth comparing your phone's normal RAM usage to another phone, each person has different apps and uses the phone in different ways. It makes no sense at all to compare two phones where RAM is concerned.
Obviously there is the possibility that an app has a memory leak and starts to eat all the RAM up, but you would then most lilkely notice something was up with the phone, eg it slows down, things stop working etc. At that point you would reboot and note the RAM, then use the phone and monitor RAM every so often, at some point you may noitce RAM use going up and up to 100% - hopefully you are using a monitoring too to tell whats eating all the RAM and you then delete the app.
If your phone is running fine and you have some free RAM, even if just a smallish amount, then most likely things are running just as they should.
I am a UNIX sys admin and we have AIX (IBM's UNIX) servers with huge amounts of RAM, eg one Im looking at now has 130GB of RAM and its 98.7% used. Thats a good thing as we are making good use of the expensive RAM, if it was 50% used we'd be wasting 65GB of RAM which costs money.
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One of the best explainations i have ever read ... Hats off
With regards to 4.3 v 4.4. Some processes have to always be running and therefore use RAM, ie android operating system processes. Google have made kitkat use less RAM (don't know how as actual coding of OS's isn't something I know about).
The outcome is the OS itself uses less RAM which leaves more RAM for apps. It means you can potentially have more apps 'running', but in general on devices with plenty of RAM its not that relevant. For devices with less RAM it becomes more relevant really as the device will run smoother if it has more RAM spare (ie not in use by OS) to keep apps in memory, which is why 4.4 should run on lower spec devices than 4.3 can run on.
Bear in mind a PlayStation 3 has 256MB RAM and 256MB video RAM and look at the games you can run on there. Slightly different as the ps3 OS probably swaps/pages memory to disk but AFAIK android doesn't, but it gives an idea of what you can do with 1GB of memory on a phone
Theoretically KitKat utilises ram more efficiently,when Google introduced project butter in jelly bean it added bulk to android,all those jellybeans and butter made android get fat, with KitKat they introduced project svelte to minimize the bulk and make the os leaner,Google reckons KitKat can run smoothly on 512 mb of ram, whereas jellybean,but don't quote me needs at least 1 mb I think to operate smoothly.I run a lot of apps and at least 11 xposed modules and I usually have Around 200 mb of free ram.just let android do its job,although saying that I do greenify Facebook.
Moto G UK with KitKat US (rooted)
This is just the phone idle after a couple of minutes, of turning it on.
No applications open, and i did remove the Moto Care and Motorola Assist using Titanium Backup.
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I am a UNIX sys admin and we have AIX (IBM's UNIX) servers with huge amounts of RAM, eg one Im looking at now has 130GB of RAM and its 98.7% used. Thats a good thing as we are making good use of the expensive RAM, if it was 50% used we'd be wasting 65GB of RAM which costs money.
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I'm an IBM tech and repair those types of servers. I work on everything from Power 7 down to the Power 4 and disk storage and tape libraries.
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I'm an IBM tech and repair those types of servers. I work on everything from Power 7 down to the Power 4 and disk storage and tape libraries.
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Off-topic but I actually stopped being an AIX sysadmin 3 or so years ago and now Iook after IBM SVC, DS8K's V7000's, VTL, TSM etc.
Hello,
Can anyone here help me to report about ram left when you first get the phone and after you have loaded your phone with apps (viber whatsapp fb etc) these apps always taking up ram so much even when idling in background... I am asking this because i am still surveying which phone i should get. Its either nexus 5 or moto g. If the ram left is still plenty, i guess i might be able to survive with the motog for at least another two years and save some bucks along the way for other purposes. If not, i would opt for the nexus 5, although it would burn my wallet a bit. Thanks!
Edit: And.. I would be happy if there is anyone who would like to report ram usage before and after kitkat since Google has been vocal about kitkat being able to run on phone with 512mb ram, and being ram effiicient.
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Hello,
Can anyone here help me to report about ram left when you first get the phone and after you have loaded your phone with apps (viber whatsapp fb etc.
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Sure i'll try answer your question or give you some kind of idea about the amount of RAM left, i have a UK Moto G with Kitkat UK
Ok so I powered on the Moto G, waited 5 minutes while looking at the Running screen inside the Apps settings,
and i see 479MB Used & 403MB free (give or take a a couple of MB)
The user apps that are idling, are :
Vault = 14MB
Kik = 11MB
Applock = 6.2MB
Comodo Security = 4.8MB
If i then open up the 3 main apps that i frequently open (twitter, Kik, Gmail) and go back to the Running Apps Screen,
i see 494MB used & 388MB free
Hope this helps
urra901109 said:
Hello,
Can anyone here help me to report about ram left when you first get the phone and after you have loaded your phone with apps (viber whatsapp fb etc) these apps always taking up ram so much even when idling in background... I am asking this because i am still surveying which phone i should get. Its either nexus 5 or moto g. If the ram left is still plenty, i guess i might be able to survive with the motog for at least another two years and save some bucks along the way for other purposes. If not, i would opt for the nexus 5, although it would burn my wallet a bit. Thanks!
Edit: And.. I would be happy if there is anyone who would like to report ram usage before and after kitkat since Google has been vocal about kitkat being able to run on phone with 512mb ram, and being ram effiicient.
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If you can live without 4g get the moto g,I use this the same as my HTC one and its super smooth, I run a lot of apps and ram isn't an issue, ram being used is a good thing too,as it means app launch faster as they are stored in memory,saying that I usually have over 200 MB free.
@OP your understanding of RAM is wrong.
Do not worry about the RAM usage.
RAM IS THERE TO BE USED.
There is no point in the system keeping lots of RAM free, this makes the system perform worse. The idea is that as apps are used (either started by the user or automatically started when an app is woken etc) they are of course using RAM, the system keeps them in RAM so they can quickly be accessed next time they are required.
If the system closed all apps etc to free RAM you basically end up with more free RAM, but for what purpose. No use it sitting there empty - may as well go and buy a phone with 128MB rather than 1024MB if you dont want to use much RAM.
If you start an app that needs a lot of RAM (more than is currently free) the system just removes older apps from RAM to free up the RAM required.
It is not worth comparing your phone's normal RAM usage to another phone, each person has different apps and uses the phone in different ways. It makes no sense at all to compare two phones where RAM is concerned.
If your phone is running fine and you have some free RAM, even if just a smallish amount, then most likely things are running just as they should.
@scott_doyland @kierancc88 @cra1g321 thank you for your detailed reply..
@scott_doyland @kieran88: i have same idea about the ram being used is a good thing. But what bothers me is the survivability of the moto g in the next future update for it. Today, according to @cra1g321 and @kierancc88 both reporting that the OS itself is already eating around ~ 700Mb of available RAM w/o any other apps running. What could this number be in the future, will the OS takes more RAM? Thus making reduced RAM available for other apps. Currently i am using SE phone from 2011 with 512mb ram, while it is very responsive on Gingerbread, it does suffer on ICS, my Tasker profile always closes itself due to low ram(most probable culprit). I am afraid it would happen all over like that in the future, but at the same time google seems to move towards more efficient ram usage. Lets hope the ram usage wont increase so much in the next android update.
Butttt.. Maybe i am complicating stuff.. anyways, thanks guys!
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@scott_doyland @kierancc88 @cra1g321 thank you for your detailed reply..
@scott_doyland @kieran88: i have same idea about the ram being used is a good thing. But what bothers me is the survivability of the moto g in the next future update for it. Today, according to @cra1g321 and @kierancc88 both reporting that the OS itself is already eating around ~ 700Mb of available RAM w/o any other apps running. What could this number be in the future, will the OS takes more RAM? Thus making reduced RAM available for other apps. Currently i am using SE phone from 2011 with 512mb ram, while it is very responsive on Gingerbread, it does suffer on ICS, my Tasker profile always closes itself due to low ram(most probable culprit). I am afraid it would happen all over like that in the future, but at the same time google seems to move towards more efficient ram usage. Lets hope the ram usage wont increase so much in the next android update.
Butttt.. Maybe i am complicating stuff.. anyways, thanks guys!
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Generally, your point is correct; however, KitKat is actually designed to better utilize a smaller amount of RAM than Jelly Bean. Theoretically, according to Google at least, a phone with 512mb of RAM will run KitKat better than it will Jelly Bean. Theoretically.
When android boots it loads apps into memory, its isn't just the OS that's using ram after a reboot.
Try it - reboot phone and look at running AND cached apps.
bought the dual sim variant of moto g.. Hehehe. So far i am very happy.
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@OP your understanding of RAM is wrong.
Do not worry about the RAM usage.
RAM IS THERE TO BE USED.
There is no point in the system keeping lots of RAM free, this makes the system perform worse. The idea is that as apps are used (either started by the user or automatically started when an app is woken etc) they are of course using RAM, the system keeps them in RAM so they can quickly be accessed next time they are required.
If the system closed all apps etc to free RAM you basically end up with more free RAM, but for what purpose. No use it sitting there empty - may as well go and buy a phone with 128MB rather than 1024MB if you dont want to use much RAM.
If you start an app that needs a lot of RAM (more than is currently free) the system just removes older apps from RAM to free up the RAM required.
It is not worth comparing your phone's normal RAM usage to another phone, each person has different apps and uses the phone in different ways. It makes no sense at all to compare two phones where RAM is concerned.
If your phone is running fine and you have some free RAM, even if just a smallish amount, then most likely things are running just as they should.
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Finally, someone that understands what RAM is really all about.
Too often, I see people trying to limit how much RAM is being used for no good reason. Like what was said, RAM is there to be used, not saved for a rainy day.
I do understand that ram is there to be use. Honestly, the moto g performs really well to my liking. But when i asked the ram usage i was referring to "future proofness" of the device. Good by today's standard but may not be the same after 1-2 android update. Since every update seems to be more resource hungry.
Conclusion: the moto g is very well built product for what we are doing "right now" but with very little wiggle room(RAM) for any future update.
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It seems with Android their focus is to reduce needed resources, that was one of the main features in 4.4
We cant predict the future but Linux/Windows 8 runs fine with 1GB of RAM so if Android begins to exceed this then we need a new mobile OS.
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I do understand that ram is there to be use. Honestly, the moto g performs really well to my liking. But when i asked the ram usage i was referring to "future proofness" of the device. Good by today's standard but may not be the same after 1-2 android update. Since every update seems to be more resource hungry.
Conclusion: the moto g is very well built product for what we are doing "right now" but with very little wiggle room(RAM) for any future update.
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It also depends if you will always want to update to the latest and greatest OS. Personally Im still running 4.3 on my moto g. The reason is that its performing very well and there is nothing in 4.4.2 that I want. Of course its tempting to upgrade to 4.4.2 to have those few hours of excitement but after those initial few hours I will be using my phone to do exactly the same things as Im doing now.
The only reason I would upgrade to a later Android version is if an app I used a lot became incompatible with 4.3 or if a new Android version increased battery life by some amazing amount.
So the chances are that for me, 4.3 on moto g, is very future proof.
Also consider that in just a couple of years its likely the moto g wont get any more official updates anyway so whether it can run Android version 6 (or whatever) with only 1GB RAM may not even be a point of discussion unless you want to run a custom ROM. If you do this the chances are you will probably have a trimmed down Android anyway, ie GAPPS initially removed etc so RAM usage will be less. Although I appreciate GAPPS isnt part of the OS as such and any GAPPS can be removed from RAM by the OS when required - so my point is sort of skewed there anyway
But I agree with the post above, if 1GB is not enough for the OS and a decent amount of apps to run well then Android is not an OS you really want to be using on a phone regardless of the amount of RAM you actually have.
Hey folks
I bought a moto g 4g a week ago. The phone itself is good but KitKat is cleaning RAM too often. If i have opened two tabs in chrome and have Skype opened in background i still have almost 300mb of free RAM. But if i switch to home screen and back to chrome one of the tabs gets suspended and needs to reload. Sometimes Skype also gets suspended. I could never bring the moto using all of its RAM. I have always at least 200mb free ram!
What can i do?? Was jelly bean better? Why is KitKat closing apps if there still is enough RAM left?
Stock has very high minfree values, they were the same on my s3 mini, I just don't understand why the foreground app will close when you have 48 MB free... I mean, this literally translated to your phone having 48 MB less RAM... My Optimus One had a stock value of 2 MB and I never had an issue... The only way to change this is with root.
Also, because chrome runs each tab on a separate process, every time you change your tab, that goes to the background, and with our super epicly stupid minfree values, they will just close (and will reload) if you have less than 300 MB free...
Changing the browser might do the trick, Chrome is horribly stressing on my laptop cpu and very glitchy on Android, but Google made that *sort of* worth it...
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Many thanks for the reply. Anyone knows if for Android L the min free value are also that high? If its lower i would just wait for it. Because i dont feel good in unlocking bootloader and loose waranty to root the device...
In fact we need a device which has at least 2G RAM to use chrome on Android.
and maybe 4.4.3 uses more RAM than 4.4.2, I had 450 free ram on 4.4.2 but only 350 on 4.4.3.
Can anyone confirm that with root and lower min RAM settings chrome can be used comfortably? Im at 4.4.3 and i have 430mb free ram
And btw how much free RAM is available in cynogenmod Rom? Or slimkat Rom?
FILLY86 said:
Can anyone confirm that with root and lower min RAM settings chrome can be used comfortably? Im at 4.4.3 and i have 430mb free ram
And btw how much free RAM is available in cynogenmod Rom? Or slimkat Rom?
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I can confirm that it will never be used comfortably, I did that on S3 mini (cyanogenmod, so pretty much the same), and since Chrome runs every tab as a background process, and android caches processes in the same category, most of the time they get the same OOM priority as, let's say, the calculator app you back-buttoned to go back, so they get killed anyway, since android loads background processes all the time, for faster loading (this is just a stupid way to put a process priority for Chrome, bad Google).
TL;DR: Google sucks at making multitasking work when browsing the internet...(most probable case for multitasking IMO)
Also, if you have Facebook messenger, or the app, which have ALL (I really mean ALL) the possible permissions, and will expand their RAM to the limit, you will always have redraws, because they are ran as a service, and will only DECREASE (because they have tons of actual services) their RAM usage when all the background apps are closed.
TL;DR: If you have Facebook app/messenger, say goodbye to multitasking.
vlt96 said:
I can confirm that it will never be used comfortably, I did that on S3 mini (cyanogenmod, so pretty much the same), and since Chrome runs every tab as a background process, and android caches processes in the same category, most of the time they get the same OOM priority as, let's say, the calculator app you back-buttoned to go back, so they get killed anyway, since android loads background processes all the time, for faster loading (this is just a stupid way to put a process priority for Chrome, bad Google).
TL;DR: Google sucks at making multitasking work when browsing the internet...(most probable case for multitasking IMO)
Also, if you have Facebook messenger, or the app, which have ALL (I really mean ALL) the possible permissions, and will expand their RAM to the limit, you will always have redraws, because they are ran as a service, and will only DECREASE (because they have tons of actual services) their RAM usage when all the background apps are closed.
TL;DR: If you have Facebook app/messenger, say goodbye to multitasking.
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So moto g has not enough RAM . browsing for me has highest priority. Perhaps i ll geht a nexus 5
Hmm yes if you are looking for any sort of serious multi tasking then Moto G isn't for you. A 2 GB phone is absolutely required for that.
The Moto G is excellent for smoothly running whatever you are currently doing but your background apps and browsing tabs will be killed quickly.
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FILLY86 said:
So moto g has not enough RAM . browsing for me has highest priority. Perhaps i ll geht a nexus 5
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No, it DOES have enough RAM, even my Optimus One had enough (420), the problem is in the Chrome tab management.
But if you can get a Nexus 5, get a Nexus 5, but a quick test with the nexus 4 and Moto G showed Moto G using much less cpu than nexus 4 for the same tasks (don't know about nexus 5, but n4 vs moto g is a freaking krait versus a low end cortex A7), so Motorola really did optimize.
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The test was done with my cousin's N4, almost the same apps installed.
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Hi guys, as the titles says, how much ram is user available on the 2gb version?
By user available i mean adding the used+free ram.
I am asking this because my nexus 10 is supposed to have 2gb of ram, but only 1.1gb is user available, the remainder is taken up by the OS.
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Hi guys, as the titles says, how much ram is user available on the 2gb version?
By user available i mean adding the used+free ram.
I am asking this because my nexus 10 is supposed to have 2gb of ram, but only 1.1gb is user available, the remainder is taken up by the OS.
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1850 is maximum . if you freeze a lot of bloatware after reboot you have estimated 1gb ram free left.
After a lot of use without a reboot free memory drops to 650.
Memory is not a problem since it is also ddr4.
Also in android less memory left is sometimes better.