I got new Captivate two weeks ago and I didnt had any knowledge of Android before that. So as every noob does, I also got worried about my aweful battery and installed task killers. But I noticed that my phone started to lag. So after reading many articles and comments, I came to conclusion that I don't really need Task killer and Android is designed to stop all unwanted Apps itself (correct me if I am wrong here please)
So I thought to test something. I opened camera and then clicked back (not home key but back). The running apps in settings showed its not running, but in System Panel (as suggested by the author of one of the article) it shows Camera is still open but inactive.
So my question is, do these inactive but open apps consume bettery or affect performance?
My question may sound stupid, but I am really concerned about my battery not lasting more than 10 hrs.
If they use a lot of data and have constant updates then yes, they will consume a significant amount of battery. A moderatly simple app that is open but doesnt require data nor act frequently wont use a lot of battery at all. I still use a task killer, as android doesnt automatically "kill" on its own. You can avoid a lot of trouble by just turning off your mobile network when youre not using it; thats a great battery saver in general... good luck
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hilerc said:
You can avoid a lot of trouble by just turning off your mobile network when youre not using it; thats a great battery saver in general... good luck
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I have tweek to trun off my 3g and its never on. But at work I use Wifi to listen to online radio on my phone. So do I have to kill apps like TweetDeck, Facebook and Gmail, with Task killer? Even though I have disabled auto sync for these accounts.
Im on PA 4.4.5 Rom (Stable) and I have just noticed my battery was draining a bit more than usual. So I check my apps, nothing unusual, I check my battery and I see the process as listed in the title. It seems its a camera background process that continues to run, Assuming im a avid snapchat user thats why it started. Now I cant stop it. Ive flashed a new rom and back, wiped cache and I dont know what else to do! Anyone know a Fix?
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Im on PA 4.4.5 Rom (Stable) and I have just noticed my battery was draining a bit more than usual. So I check my apps, nothing unusual, I check my battery and I see the process as listed in the title. It seems its a camera background process that continues to run, Assuming im a avid snapchat user thats why it started. Now I cant stop it. Ive flashed a new rom and back, wiped cache and I dont know what else to do! Anyone know a Fix?
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Since you are avid snapchat user,,the only workaround is to reboot your phone. As long as you will be using snapchat (or Skype in some cases), you will face this problem.
Battery drain issue is because of a software process on the Android KitKat build that allows applications to access the device camera. The mm-qcamera-daemon process continues to run in the background even after the app using the camera has been force closed(like you mentioned) leading to persistent high CPU usage and battery drains faster.
I ended up getting the latest ATT/LG software update, build LMY47D / H81010o. It actually let me choose when to install it so I'm happy about that, but I'm having a few problems. The screen seems to be working better now, taps, touches, swipes, and drags seem to be working correctly - but my phone is running really hot - even after a couple reboots. and for some reason all of my task killers no longer work. I use CCleaner and AVG to flush out ram because even though the G4 has 3gb, about 1.6gb is always in use with factory apps only. None of the task killers detect any running apps now, even the built-in LG task killer doesn't find anything running in the background.
Anyone else having issues with task killers? I've cleared the cache out of them, dumped the data, re-installed them, and they still don't work. I had a few other apps that quit working but once I dumped the cache they started to work again. Also, the phone seems to boot a little quicker and charge faster too, seems like mixed results with the latest upgrade.
Everything I've EVER read about task killers says that they don't really help because they are at odds with Android. And RAM is supposed to be used. Android will drop things out of RAM if it needs more.
The issues with memory leaking are inherent to Lollypop and are "supposedly" addressed in Marshmallow. We'll see.
But I had the same issues with my S6 and S6 Active.
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Task killers shouldn't be used with anything later than Gingerbread. They simply serve no purpose. Android's stock RAM management keeps everything how it needs to be run, and shouldn't be messed with. For example, every time you go and use one of those task killers to flush out your RAM, Android is going to turn around and load those same apps right back into RAM because they're set with certain OOM values that tell Android when to kill them off or when to let them stay in memory.
So, in practice a task killer is probably robbing you of battery power.
The only thing I still don't like about LG's software is that they HAVE tweaked the stock RAM management system that Lollipop uses to favor keeping things in RAM for longer... and things on the G4 can get a little slow sometimes because of it. Just use the app switcher and swipe them away though, that way the app services can still run in the background like they're supposed to.
The G4 would be my ideal Android device if they would ship it with stock Android and just put their apps on top of that. RAM management doesn't need to be messed with, and UI elements don't need messed with (lollipop is quite elegant).
As for the "o" version, I was forced into it. It never asked. It installed itself while my phone was laying on the coffee table. Really pisses me off.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S7 and the battery was doing fine. A few weeks ago the phone started getting quite slow and the battery life went way down. I had installed a few apps around then, so I removed them and still battery life was bad. I tried restarting the phone and that didn't help. At the time I was running Marshmellow and I was using OSMonitor to watch the system. I was finding that Android OS was taking most of my battery and 30% of the CPU all of the time. Not long after that Nougat became available and I upgraded thinking that might help. It didn't help and OSMonitor no longer worked. I switched to GSam Battery Monitor and used adb to give it the permissions to see all app information. I'm still finding that the Kernel is taking 28% of my battery and Android System is taking 37% of my battery and I can't figure out why. I would rather not need to do a full reset and install all of my apps and settings again, so I'm asking if anyone out there has ideas on things to try and fix this. This is a non-rooted phone running the stock image from Samsung/Verizon.
Thanks for any help.
try activate the Battery Saving option and use it for a day and see if helps
I've had this happen to me before. The phone was getting seriously hot while it was happening too. I decided to do all I can without doing a factory reset (I was on vacation at the time, so no access to something to backup my data).
I cleared the cache of all apps. Then I disabled all of the stock apps I didn't need (like Gear VR). I also shuttered apps running in the background to about a max of 3 apps open at any given time. That stopped the insane heat issue, but Android System was still sucking 30% of the battery. I turned off Always On Display, that got me down to about 25%. A factory reset got the phone down to around 10%, and I never saw the issue again.
Before you do that I would recommend checking out this thread below as there does appear to be a bunch of other possible solutions provided by others.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/help/how-experiencing-android-battery-drain-t3327730/page51
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try activate the Battery Saving option and use it for a day and see if helps
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But then my background syncing is turned off too...
I didn't need this before, so wondering why I should need it now.
I had same issues and was able to fix it. See the following thread for details.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=71558514
Try this , it helped me a lot .
Download from the XDA forums the Kernel named : "Apollo Kernel" v7
Just flash it , and when you install it , if you dont use your phone for high end games or hard work,that requires high end specs , then you can underclock the cpu/gpu .
It s a battery life saver, plus , your components will be much better in terms of thermals/life
HEATING:
Heating while charging isn't an issue pls. You can let your phone cool down before charging it in a cool place. You can either power it off or put it on Airplane mode while charging. (This will reduce the charging time and also some activities by apps which slow the charging) Heating is normal while charging owing to the Quick Charge x.0 capability of Qualcomm Snapdragon 617 (MSM8952). It will heat up. Heating is reduced in the latest builds, especially while recording video via the camera. This semi-budget oriented processor isn't designed for heavy gaming pls, despite 3GB of DDR3 RAM available to it. If you're a hard core gamer or someone who likes to overclock stuff, this isn't the right phone.
If you feel your phone is heating with normal usage too, consider removing apps which are useless and clear the cache followed by a reboot. See to it that the apps are updated. You can switch to WiFi instead of Mobile Data (keeps my athene cool idk why). If nothing works, consider a factory reset; else shift to a custom ROM if you can and test.
PERFORMANCE:
General phone performance of Nougat has been better than Marshmallow for sure, but for many, 7.0 has had the notification drawer stuttering issue in some cases and Bluetooth being turned on automatically after turning Airplane mode ON. Overall experience is smooth. But many people do not like stock ROM very much, because of the lack of features. AOSP and LineageOS based ROMs are much better that stock in terms of speed. For god's sake don't use the task killer apps or battery savers like CCleaner / CleanMaster/ DU Battery Saver. Apps staying in the memory (RAM) are good for your device until your phone is lagging. Clearing the things from the recents panel will force them to start again from scratch, consuming the CPU and of course the battery.
BATTERY & CHARGING:
Stock N wasn't very good in terms of battery after all in comparison to MM despite the improved doze mode introduced in Nougat. Well this is the case in almost every android OEM that the battery performance went down in transition from one Android version to another. However, the March 1 update is said to fix a bit of battery and security issues. Android has the habit of collecting garbage (but that makes it smart too) and this can be one of the reasons why battery and performance issues occur after an OTA. The best thing after a "dirty/problem causing" update is to do a factory reset. Anyways, it is advised to clear the cache before and after doing an update. For god's sake don't use the task killer apps or battery savers like CCleaner / CleanMaster/ DU Battery Saver. Apps staying in the memory (RAM) are good for your device until your phone is lagging. Clearing the things from the recents panel will force them to start again from scratch, consuming the CPU and of course the battery.
Battery Saving and charging Tips:
Please understand the difference between Screen On time of a complete cycle and the usage time. People start judging the battery from the estimated time left after the first charge itself. A tip is to fully charge the battery after a clean flash and then let it drain till 15%. Do not let the battery drain completely, Li-ion batteries lose their capacity over time and are designed to run between 20-100 percent. Battery life of your phone is completely dependant on your usage. Turning off Auto-Rotation, WiFi, Bluetooth, Sync, Mobile Data, Location Services and scanning (almost everything ) when not needed can give you the best battery life possible. You can consider using Greenify although you should avoid any such thing. Android learns how you use it, no need to comment about the 2 H SOT you're getting after a clean flash. You might also want to uninstall the useless apps and block the wakelocks (which you understand) if possible. Turn off the SIM card if it's in very low network. If nothing is helping you, you might consider doing a factory reset too.
Checkout this amazing thread by @rirozizo and the video by XDA TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zt2j8lFbJQ
Ghost Touch: Your touchscreen is at fault. Visit the service center please.
Screen Retention: Your display is defective. Turning the phone off for a while and then setting blue light filter at 5% for Black colour or changing the RGB values is a temporary fix. Visit the service center please.
Random Reboots: Try factory resetting your device, see if you installed something wrong and flash latest stock firmware, just in case, you know. Else the service center only can fix the issue if still present.
For not being called a noob:
1. Read XDA and other forums and think before you do anything to your phone.
2. Ask in the community if you have doubts. (Read Rules and XDA University's New User's guide first)
3. Always make backups before flashing new things. (Use TitaniumBackup and TWRP backups)
Check the videos by XDA-TV and Rootjunky ( @Tomsgt )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rEsgCrvEqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyr3FstDKH0&index=1&list=PLgLZvFga2ml4Atl32E4c_ZslfrTJJDUfr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-i59R51Cys
4. See this video by XDA-TV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
5. Stop using useless apps and be patient pls.
Valar Morghulis!
Good thread, I'll add a couple of my tips here.
- ohmergerd, there's thousands of ROMs for the G4! Which ones are the best???? Nearly every single ROM for the G4 subtracting perhaps GZR ROMs and RevivorOS/optimized stock is LineageOS based (Invicta is basically Lineage with MM kernel blobs and faux/OMS integrated). There's basically no performance differences, just feature differences based on the discretion of the dev.
- If heating is STILL an issue for you, disable the 4 big cores. There isn't a significant difference in everyday use- the LITTLE cluster handles the UI and basic apps anyway.
- Haven't noticed notification bar lag since the 7.1.2 builds. If you have lag (depending on your ROM), using blur or transparency helps trick your eyes into seeing no lag. If lag persists, force enable scrolling cache and speed up the animations.
- If you have a custom kernel and your RAM usage isn't an issue, disable KSM, Adaptive Memory Killer, and/or ZRAM and Kernel Adiutor/EXKM. While useful if you let your memory use skyrocket, if you are conservative in your memory use these memory killers just suck up CPU cycles.
- Build prop tweaks/L Speed/HEBF don't work. Completely placebo, except for governor tweaks.
- USB-OTG is great, I recommend getting a dongle if you're a flashaholic. Much easier and quicker to simply plug in your USB to flash instead of plugging in your phone, transferring the ROM, flashing, etc.
- Use a trickle charger, and save that fast charger for emergencies (camping, flights, etc.).
- Disable a bunch of Google's **** in settings- I advise going through Activity controls as Google takes snippets of keyboard input, voice, web history, video history, etc. This adversely affects battery life especially if you have a weak signal, as Google Play Services continuously attempts to push through their telemetry data. This is also why you get 2hrs of SoT after a clean flash.
- On stock-based ROMs (to eliminate lag), boot the ROM once, then reboot to recovery and flash the latest Aroma GApps package with the apps you want. Then, mount /system, and start deleting all apps in /system/app or /system/priv-app that begin with "3c". This effectively removes Motorola updates and telemetry, and also updates your GApps- the stock GApps are very old, and updating them caused Play Store errors and miscellaneous battery sucking services.
- Mr. Shield Protectors suck. Badly cut-out, misaligned, etc.
Hard reset: A term with the common misconception here in the group. Hard reset means nothing in android smartphones. It is only a term for older computers where you manually had to reset the old electrical parts from the charge they held.
Factory reset via the settings is equivalent to the Wipe Data/Factory reset available in the stock recovery.
Also, always sign out from your Google account before doing the wipe, else chances are your device may enable Factory Reset Protection and lock the device.
Normally my phone was using two BIG cores (and the four LITTLE ones). Each core was utilized around 40-60%.
Withing kernel manager I have set the minimum value for the BIG cores to 1 and I have lowered the minimum frequency value for that core. Now the utilization on that core is close to 100%.
Now the phone is cold all the time (except when charging with the Fast Charger) and I have no lag issues whatsoever.
Oh, btw, on some kernels (EX 1.07, Vegito), workqueue power saving is built in which iirc tries to schedule tasks on the fewest cores as possible, so on these kernels which tend to turn off cores and lower frequencies while asleep the wakeup action, especially while dozing, the wakeup action will be met with significant lag/delay.
If you have a delay when turning on your phone with these kernels (or even stock kernels for some ROMs), disable the setting called wq_power_saving.
I have the solution for random reboots. But only for those devices that reboots 4 or 5 times every day. Just open your device and disconnect the battery for 30 minits. Or also you can change the battery (confirmated it works)
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Good thread, I'll add a couple of my tips here.
- ohmergerd, there's thousands of ROMs for the G4! Which ones are the best???? Nearly every single ROM for the G4 subtracting perhaps GZR ROMs and RevivorOS/optimized stock is LineageOS based (Invicta is basically Lineage with MM kernel blobs and faux/OMS integrated). There's basically no performance differences, just feature differences based on the discretion of the dev.
- If heating is STILL an issue for you, disable the 4 big cores. There isn't a significant difference in everyday use- the LITTLE cluster handles the UI and basic apps anyway.
- Haven't noticed notification bar lag since the 7.1.2 builds. If you have lag (depending on your ROM), using blur or transparency helps trick your eyes into seeing no lag. If lag persists, force enable scrolling cache and speed up the animations.
- If you have a custom kernel and your RAM usage isn't an issue, disable KSM, Adaptive Memory Killer, and/or ZRAM and Kernel Adiutor/EXKM. While useful if you let your memory use skyrocket, if you are conservative in your memory use these memory killers just suck up CPU cycles.
- Build prop tweaks/L Speed/HEBF don't work. Completely placebo, except for governor tweaks.
- USB-OTG is great, I recommend getting a dongle if you're a flashaholic. Much easier and quicker to simply plug in your USB to flash instead of plugging in your phone, transferring the ROM, flashing, etc.
- Use a trickle charger, and save that fast charger for emergencies (camping, flights, etc.).
- Disable a bunch of Google's **** in settings- I advise going through Activity controls as Google takes snippets of keyboard input, voice, web history, video history, etc. This adversely affects battery life especially if you have a weak signal, as Google Play Services continuously attempts to push through their telemetry data. This is also why you get 2hrs of SoT after a clean flash.
- On stock-based ROMs (to eliminate lag), boot the ROM once, then reboot to recovery and flash the latest Aroma GApps package with the apps you want. Then, mount /system, and start deleting all apps in /system/app or /system/priv-app that begin with "3c". This effectively removes Motorola updates and telemetry, and also updates your GApps- the stock GApps are very old, and updating them caused Play Store errors and miscellaneous battery sucking services.
- Mr. Shield Protectors suck. Badly cut-out, misaligned, etc.
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Thanks for the tips.
Using Root explorer I deleted the 3c stuff and updated the Gapps via Aroma installer (never knew this Aroma version existed).
Where do I find the Activity controls thing?
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Thanks for the tips.
Using Root explorer I deleted the 3c stuff and updated the Gapps via Aroma installer (never knew this Aroma version existed).
Where do I find the Activity controls thing?
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It's in settings>Google, first 3 menus iirc.
i just had to unroot, re-lock my boot, and flash the latest firmware because someone has been hacking my phone. I purchased a Samsung phone and been switching the SIM between phones. I wish custom ROMs were more secure, flashing every ROM available, some took longer then others. After seeing that the Samsung KNOX wasnt able to be hacked, i decided to flash your stock N package. They are yet to get in my XT-1644 since earlier after the flash.
Am i stuck on the Stock ROM or is there a way to keep from getting a rooted with unlocked bootloader, hacked?