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iOcean G7 review

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Hello everyone,
just made this review about the iOcean G7 a while ago. I cannot post any links or videos yet so I made a small site, for the single purpose it looks a bit better and I can post the photo's and video I made. chinahardware.info/?page_id=9
I left out all the Antutu benchmark stuff, there is already plenty of that to be found. I hope someone finds it informative
Contents
Intro & Specifications.
Screen/Display.
Camera.
Sound.
Overall use & Connectivity.
Conclusion.
Intro & Specifications
Welcome to this iOcean G7 review
The G7 is not the first phone of the Chinese iOcean company but definitely one with a new design. If you are not familiar with the iOcean company you can look up their website iocean.cc or go to their Facebook page. The phone that had put iOcean in the spotlights was the X7 Youth. It has (still) good specifications with a surprisingly low price, making it a very tempting choice. After the X7 Youth there were more ‘adult’ versions as the Turbo, Plus and Elite, all with different sets of specifications and prices. One thing remained: the design. All the X7 models are the same except for their internal hardware components. With the G7 the designers at iOcean made daring step. They slightly changed the design but more obvious: they changed the size of the phone. Where all X7 versions were enjoying a neat 5 inch FULL-HD display, the G7 has a gigantic screen size of 6.44 inch, technically making it a phablet (phone/tablet).
This devices comes with the latest of the MediaTek processors: the MT6592, an octacore processor with the Mali 450 GPU to support it with graphical applications.
My personal questions were if I would be enjoying carrying this colossal phone around and if the GPS-problems with the MediaTek MT6592 would finally come to an end.
Specifications:
General
OS Android 4.2.2
Chipset Octacore Mediatek
CPU 1.7Ghz MT6592
GPU Mali-450 700Mhz
RAM 2GB
Battery 3500mAh
Two Camera’s:
Rear camera 13 mega-pixel
Features F2.0 aperture
LED flash Yes
Video [email protected]
Front camera 5-mega-pixel
Memory
Internal 16GB
SD card Yes: support up to 32GB
Network support
Dual-sim Yes
WCDMA 2100MHz/900MHz
GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz
Body
Dimensions (mm) 175 x 90.5 x 8.9mm
Weight (g) 205 grams
Colors Black and White (and perhaps a red one?)
Screen/Display
Let’s start with what is most obvious about the device when you see it: the enormous display. With a 6.44 inch display the G7 is one of the biggest devices I ever worked with. It is quite a bit bigger than the Samsung Galaxy Note 3.
For the technicians amongst you: the devices comes with a Retina LTPS display and is an OGS, which stands for One Glass Solution. So the screen will be thin with good viewing angles. Since a large amount of the surface of the phone is consisting out of glass, I am glad they processed the screen with laminated glass, meaning it consists of two or more layers of glass and bonding interlayers before fused together though autoclave or chemically.
The above shows us that the display is big, thin, highly scratch-resistant and with the Retina LTPS it also means the display is bright and vivid. When the screen is on full brightness it is very useable in light areas and outside. I used it for a couple of days now and even on these sunny days I could easily read the screen.
This is supported with a stunning 1920×1080 resolution, granting the screen 342 pixels-per-inch. I used the iOcean X7 with 440 pixels-per-inch and I could see some difference but you would have to look closely and search for it. 342 PPI is still very impressive for a screen size this big and reading text is a real charm on this device. Giving the device a higher resolution screen would not benefit the price and the performance of the G7 and I personally think this was the right decision.
In the box I also found a screen protector which I applied directly but since the layered protection of the screen itself I think this is a personal choice.
Another bonus is the fact that you can operate the device wearing gloves or with wet hands. I found out these few days that the display is highly sensitive and I do no longer need my touch screen gloves in the winter which is a real big plus.
Camera
The camera of the G7 is even being used by iOcean to take photos of the new X8 model, which is coming up halfway in April, for their Facebook page. If the company itself is confident enough about the quality is has to say something, right? The G7 enjoys a 13 mega-pixel rear camera which out-of-the-box shoots at 9.5 mega-pixel. This is probably done to save memory and to quicken up the burst-shoot function. At 9.5 MP all photos will be more than sufficient for most uses: Facebook, Twitter, emailing them to friends/family, etc. Switching to 13 MP decreases the field of view as well a bit of speed in burst-mode but it is still very fast and it is barely noticeable. The front camera is 5 mega-pixel and can be used for conference and video calling or to make the much loved selfie. A trend is to not only increase the mega-pixels of the phone but also the aperture of the lens, meaning more light can travel inside which tends to produce better pictures.
I shot some pictures with the G7 myself and I can tell you they are of very good quality. I used different kind of settings; all photos taken inside were under medium-light conditions and outside it is clearly a sunny day. (They are shown on the website.)
One of the things I like to do with my phone is to watch videos on YouTube, mostly with other people. The low quality of the sound and especially the low maximum volume most of the other Chinese phone suffer from sometimes takes the fun away in doing that but with the G7 that will not be the case. The sound can be set to a very loud level while maintaining good quality with no distortion.
Now, something pleasant happened when I laid the phone on its back while playing music: sound actually got better! Thanks to a very smart design feature the G7 device does not fully touch the surface and thereby covering up the speaker grill. A small tab, looking a bit like a stub of the speaker grill, is attached so room is left between the surface and the device hence the sound waves can move freely. It gives a powerful and full sound which I have not heard with many devices. One small point could be that it makes the phone wiggle a bit when lain down but I highly doubt that would bother anyone.
Overall use & Connectivity
The biggest question for me was whether the G7 would fit in my pocket but even with the flip case it fits. Though it is completely understandable when someone would go for the somewhat smaller X7 or better the X8 in April. This is definitely not a one-handed device and both hands are needed to type. It is very useable for watch movies, series, YouTube and the like as reading and typing text. I am a forced user of the public transport every day and I use that time to read rapports for work, etc. Still not as comfortable as a good physical keyboard, on the 6.44 inch screen it is now also workable to edit and type text.
The overall build quality is very good with no plastic-squeaks, a strongly fit back cover and pretty narrow bezels. The only real point of criticism is that the three android control buttons on the chin of the phone do not lit up so in the dark. This may provide an issue when not completely familiar with the device.
The device supports all normal connectivity frequencies used in the West: for Wi-Fi: 802.11 a/b/g/n for both 2.4G and 5G. For mobile internet: HSPA+ 900Mhz/2100Mhz WCDMA.
GPS
The GPS has been a problem with MediaTek devices since a long time and let me happily start by saying that the iOcean G7 gave me a GPS fix in 3 minutes. This was indoors without any connectivity and updated satellite positions. Outside the same set-up gave me a fix in about 40 seconds. Compared to more expensive and well-known mobile phones MediaTek will always lose the battle but for the average Chinese branded mobile phone user this will be a pretty welcome result.
Conclusion
The iOcean G7 is one of the biggest Chinese phones I have ever handled but also one of the better built and designed. The overall quality of the phone is very good, the camera shoots very worthy photos, the sound capabilities are amazing, playing most games is absolutely fun (no stuttering), display quality is very good at least to say, making the G7 a very enjoyable device for everyday use. Considering all this, the price is very reasonable. If you are looking for an affordable mobile phone with a big display, this is probably the one.
A good functioning GPS and a size that still fits my pocket: my questions are answered, how about yours? Please feel free to post comments or send me a message if you have any more questions.
You can also send me an e-mail: [email protected]
Or look up more information on the official iOcean Facebookpage! Please give them some support and click the ‘like’ button.
chinahardware.info/?page_id=9 for the photo's

I am enjoying the use of the iocean G7. It maybe gigantic but it is not heavy.
Battery life is really good. For light use, you can get up to 4 days. For heavy use, you can get at least 2 days.

Does iocean use a "skinned" version of Android like sense or miui?
sent from Carina Nebula with my Nexus 5 inter dimensional cruiser...

Ltdrev said:
Does iocean use a "skinned" version of Android like sense or miui?
sent from Carina Nebula with my Nexus 5 inter dimensional cruiser...
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Its Android 4.2.2, I have not played with HTC or Miui but it feel like the standard Android. It came with Google Play Store and all the other apps. Don't think I see any Chinese apps.
It actually came rooted as well.

Ysabelkid said:
I am enjoying the use of the iocean G7. It maybe gigantic but it is not heavy.
Battery life is really good. For light use, you can get up to 4 days. For heavy use, you can get at least 2 days.
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Hello,
My Iocean G7 battery lasts about 1 day (wifi and bluetooth always on).
I didn't find how to install CWM on it so I could do a wipe batterie's data.
Does someone has a CWM for Iocean G7 ?
Thanks

Yes a bit
Ltdrev said:
Does iocean use a "skinned" version of Android like sense or miui?
sent from Carina Nebula with my Nexus 5 inter dimensional cruiser...
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I had no idea but I did a comparison for you. iOcean did use some sort of theme (not a entire skin) for their Android version but you can switch back to the standard Android look with 2 clicks (icon called Theme) does that.
I am using Themer now but in the video review on my website (chinahardware.info) you can still see the iOcean theme.
Does that answer your question?

Ysabelkid said:
Its Android 4.2.2, I have not played with HTC or Miui but it feel like the standard Android. It came with Google Play Store and all the other apps. Don't think I see any Chinese apps.
It actually came rooted as well.
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Mine came with a small theme (mostly the icons were different) but I could switch back any moment.
Yours came rooted? Where did you buy your iOcean G7?

Danacy said:
Mine came with a small theme (mostly the icons were different) but I could switch back any moment.
Yours came rooted? Where did you buy your iOcean G7?
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In Settings, under Device Administration, I got Superuser which I turn it on.
I bought my G7 from 1949deal - first time buying from them. Order on Thursday and shipped by DHL and arrived on Monday. I bought the brown case which I think is useless. Cannot find the slip-in case on your video.
I don't use Facebook/bluetooth and have turn off the gesture - thats why I think the battery life last so long.

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Ysabelkid said:
In Settings, under Device Administration, I got Superuser which I turn it on.
I bought my G7 from 1949deal - first time buying from them. Order on Thursday and shipped by DHL and arrived on Monday. I bought the brown case which I think is useless. Cannot find the slip-in case on your video.
I don't use Facebook/bluetooth and have turn off the gesture - thats why I think the battery life last so long.
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You mean the orange case? Try Aliexpress.com It's a sideways flip-cover (bad quality btw).
Cannot find the Superuser setting you mentioned but I thought that will only appear when you root te phone, right?

How is the battery life on the phone? Better than other Android phones or just pretty similar?

Danacy said:
You mean the orange case? Try Aliexpress.com It's a sideways flip-cover (bad quality btw).
Cannot find the Superuser setting you mentioned but I thought that will only appear when you root te phone, right?
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I bought the orange case - its rubbish.
This guy has a slip case - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXMGeWo0W8Q which is like one of those for spectacles.
Not sure if it is 1949deal that rooted the phone before sending out. I learnt of it from the guy in the above video which is why I bought from the same seller as he did. He mentioned about it here - http://mtkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=559&p=1929
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nismofan25 said:
How is the battery life on the phone? Better than other Android phones or just pretty similar?
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Battery life depends on how you use it. It has a 3500 mAh battery - huge.
I don't use Facebook or bluetooth or push notification for my GMail. I use Whatsapp, Line, SMS and calls and some surfing.
For light use, I can get more than 3 day. For heavy use, I can get at least 2 days.

I already enjoying the use of the iocean G7. I think its gigantic its not heavy . Battery life is so good. For light use, you can get up to 4 days. For heavy use, you can get at least 2 days. you also use it enjoy it .........................................

Michael Hill said:
I already enjoying the use of the iocean G7. I think its gigantic its not heavy . Battery life is so good. For light use, you can get up to 4 days. For heavy use, you can get at least 2 days. you also use it enjoy it .........................................
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Can you tell me if the led flash is powerful like Samsung ones I had a few chinese phones but the flash led is weak.
Thanks

cyberbit said:
Can you tell me if the led flash is powerful like Samsung ones I had a few chinese phones but the flash led is weak.
Thanks
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The led flash is strong - red light for Whatsapp and green for Line.
Camera is great - people were impress with it when I took photos in a recent vacation.

good day how to root iocean g7 please help.

Bluetooth
The bluetooth is horrible.
There is lag with the headphone bluetooth, sometimes does not pair with bluetooth on the car.
In others features this phone is really good.
I hope that in the next firmware the iocean improve the bluetooth.

G7 flash and recovery
Hey guys,
I am also a proud owner of my G7... I certainly do love it, at the moment I think I have to flash it to a more recent rom since it came with a 4.2.2.
I want to flash to latest but I dont have a custom recovery installed. Will the inbuilt recovery be fine enough?
I am guessing you guys have an idea of what the way to get a recovery and flash it actually... and I use linux with adb and fastboot installed and it can see my device too although I could get a windows computer is necessary.
Thanks

Recovery
xdadeem said:
Hey guys,
I am also a proud owner of my G7... I certainly do love it, at the moment I think I have to flash it to a more recent rom since it came with a 4.2.2.
I want to flash to latest but I dont have a custom recovery installed. Will the inbuilt recovery be fine enough?
I am guessing you guys have an idea of what the way to get a recovery and flash it actually... and I use linux with adb and fastboot installed and it can see my device too although I could get a windows computer is necessary.
Thanks
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MIUI is always a good choice
http://www.needrom.com/download/miui-by-miuipro-ru-9/
FunTouch OS was also very good
http://www.needrom.com/download/g7-funtouch-os/
To install:
Step 1: From the links above: download the ROM you want and put it on a SD-card. Not in a folder but in the root of the SD-card. Put SD-card in phone
Step 2: Shut down your G7. Not restart but really shut down. Then:
– Power button + volume button up, to enter the recovery mode. (First hold volume up and then press power button and keep volume button pressed until you see the recovery menu)
– Wipe Data / Factory Reset -> delete all user data (use volume buttons to select)
– Wipe Cache Partition -> Wipe cache
Step 3: Return to recovery main interface Install zip from sdcard -> choose zip from sdcard -> Select your ROM
Step 4: Brush complete, restart the phone Patience required – first boot takes a while

MediaPad X2 vs LeTV Max

Hello there!
I'm looking into buying a new phone and those 2 phones in the title called my attention. I'm coming from a Z Ultra so both of them look great to me.
The LeTV Max seems like the better alternative, but let's run down the specs of both of them (mediapad x2 on the left and letv max on the right)
CPU:
Kirin 930 (4x 2GHz and 4x 1.5GHz) x Snapdragon 810 (4x 2GHz and 4x 1.5GHz)
RAM:
3GB x 4GB
Screen size:
7" x 6,33"
Screen resolution:
1200x1920 x 1440x2560
Back Camera:
13MP x 21MP
Battery:
5000 mAh x 3400 mAh
As expected, the LeTV Max wins most of the categories but do they make that much of a difference? Would the +1GB of RAM be a good addition? The screen resolution bump is also pretty interesting, since the MediaPad x2 is going at a 323 ppi and the LeTV Max is at 464. The monster battery on the MediaPad x2 also gets me happy, and knowing that it's not pushing out as many pixels as the LeTV Max (despise the screen size difference) makes it look like it will last longer. Coming from a Z Ultra, the only thing that I really NEED on a camera is flash (the Z Ultra's camera is ok at best) but I don't really require that much quality since I rarely use it.
What do you guys think? For the people that already got a MediaPad x2, are you happy with it? Would you change to a LeTV Max if you had the chance?

Screen size is everything so I would go for the X2.
Plus you have support from XDA for the X2.
I am actually considering upgrading to an 8.0 inch MediaPad M2!

If you only look at the basic specs, the LeTV Max "looks" better. More memory, higher resolution screen, slightly faster CPU, faster GPU, compacter...
But there is also where it ends. The 810 is a know throttle monster that easily hits its thermal limits ( what most manufactures solve by limiting the SOC ). Its also not exactly friendly on the battery. My X2 even after hours of playing Fallout Shelter ( what is a know battery eater ), was just "warm". Not hot, just warm. I doubt that the same can be said about the 810 in the LeTV.
1440x2560? I do not care... On the X2 7" 1080p, you need to have 21/20 eyesight to see the pixels or have the phone right in front of your eyes. What people forget it, that the higher resolution = less space for light to pass = more / higher back light is needed = more power usage. And my eyesight is 20/20.
4GB Ram ... everybody love more ram. But lets be realistic... on my Sony ZU, i always had a health 500+ MB ( 0.5GB ) free in regards to ram ( comparing Android 5 on both systems ). And that was with a device that had two years worth of programs active. On my X2, i have between 1.7GB and 1.8GB free. So assuming the same program load like the ZU, there will be close to 1.5GB ( X2 had 1GB more ram then the ZU ) still free. That means on the LeTV, your looking at 2.5GB memory free with the same load. Nice ...
Camera ... If you come from a ZU, anything is a massive upgrade *lol*...
And now we come to the real reason to own the X2: 5000 mAh x 3400 mAh ...
Its not just 50% more battery power. The ZU also had a 3050mAh battery. Yet, my own battery results are more then impressive. So far the X2 is hitting 2 a 3 times the battery life consistently against then ( 2 year old ) ZU.
Technology has improved... While the X2 has a bigger screen, it seems to be more power efficient. The SOC is designed around those power efficient cores from bottom to top. Its a monster, not just pure on battery but in regards to battery life.
My best proof are some of the basic usage test i did before.
Screen on ( ZU: 45%, X2: 50% ( brighter then ZU to compensate the battery somewhat )), no activity.
ZU: Lost about 11% in 75 minutes.
X2: Lost about 4% in 75 minutes.
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And i forgot that i still had the GPS on for the X2. *oeps*. And the GPS like most receivers/transmitters are more battery eaters.
Real life battery:
On 25/08 at 21.30 i charged up the battery to 100%.
We are 28/08 around 22.30 and my battery is ... 68%.
In that time i spend around 20 minutes calling ( 2 * 10 min ), checking wechat, some quick surfing on 4G, doing some basic battery testing ( one day with 4G+Wifi, one day with 2G+Wifi, one day with 2G. And Wifi on at night ) and a bunch of other thing. For this same amount of time, my ZU will hit 15% on the battery left, with only 4G on during the day and Wifi at night.
Its a battery life monster! And thanks to some testing, i found that the best combination is:
Set 2G when your at work and only need to check wechat or other chat messages. 4G drains twice as much. Enable 4G only when you need to surf. For basic text chatting 2G is the same effect as 4G, you do not notice the difference ...
Wifi/basic phone active drains about 3 a 4% in about 12 hours at night/morning.
2G/basic phone active / some times chatting during the day ( at work ), drains about 3 a 4% ( depends on the intensity that you chat/check/etc ) in +- 9 hours.
So with this combination, found that i can survive 24 hours, using maybe 6 a 8%, 10% in extreme for basic thing that i did before with my ZU, that took out maybe 30 a 40% ( yes, its not accurate because the ZU was using 4G all the time during the day ).
But to get back to the basic comparison:
The LeTV has a maybe more powerful CPU, GPU, more memory and higher resolution smaller screen combined with a smaller batter. Do the math? You know that your battery life at best will be "average". If you can live with that, then the LeTV is for you. But if you are like me, fed up with average battery life, then the X2 is way more up your alley.
Frankly, i do not know of any device that offers this size, battery life and still has phone capability... Beyond the X1 but that is running older A9 Cpu cores. The X2 beats the ZU with 25% in Antutu and frankly, i notice no slowdowns or other problems. And regarding faster GPU's. Sorry, but what do you care about the GPU? Those 3d games kill any device its battery, for what? If you want to really game, there are PC's, Console etc, where you can more enjoy the 3D experience. I found devices like this better with games that are more designed for the platform ( hard to explain ).
O and here is other a counter argument:
PRICE! X2 for 3GB/32GB = 399 Euro. The LeTV Max cheapest i found is 620 euro's... And i was lucky and was able to buy my X2 in a auction at 341 euro
I long time learned that specs alone do not make a good device, its the combination of those specs. I am frankly fed up with phone's that has a zillion "look how fast or how big resolution or " ... but they forget to mention that those things in general eat battery life and force people to spend every two or one! day recharging there phone. And the more you recharge, the more your battery capacity goes down. Fun these days with non-replaceable batteries.
Speaking of non-replaceable batteries. How is the LeTV its battery replacement? Also non-removable like most devices these days. I ask because the ZU its a disaster... you need to heatgun the glass to remove the glue, and then deal with a annoying flat cable. The X2 its just popping off some plastic, a few screws and you can simply unplug the power connector. The X2 battery replacement anybody can do.

Benjiro said:
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That's exactly what I had in mind. When I was buying the Z Ultra I was able to test and research it better since it was from a known brand. But for the X2 I'm having trouble coming across more specific informations. What you said is what I'm looking for.
The LeTV seems like a pain to repair and it's design looks boring. The specs were buying me but it's pretty much what you said, it's the combination of everything ( and the x2 looks pretty as hell). The only down side for me would be not having a water proof phone like the Ultra but it's something I can get over since it's not a priority for me.
I'll still wait for IFA to see if anything else comes up but the X2 is a strong participant in my choice ( and it's one of the few choices I can actually buy where I live). Thanks for the tips!
Flavio said:
Screen size is everything so I would go for the X2.
Plus you have support from XDA for the X2.
I am actually considering upgrading to an 8.0 inch MediaPad M2!
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If I were going for that, I would just go with one of those cheap 6" phablets with 720p screens, haha. The M2 is pretty overkill for me ( really pretty but still). I can still fit my Ultra on my pockets nicely so the X2 should be good, as far as size goes.

Khiuli said:
That's exactly what I had in mind. When I was buying the Z Ultra I was able to test and research it better since it was from a known brand. But for the X2 I'm having trouble coming across more specific informations. What you said is what I'm looking for.
The LeTV seems like a pain to repair and it's design looks boring. The specs were buying me but it's pretty much what you said, it's the combination of everything ( and the x2 looks pretty as hell). The only down side for me would be not having a water proof phone like the Ultra but it's something I can get over since it's not a priority for me.
I'll still wait for IFA to see if anything else comes up but the X2 is a strong participant in my choice ( and it's one of the few choices I can actually buy where I live). Thanks for the tips!
If I were going for that, I would just go with one of those cheap 6" phablets with 720p screens, haha. The M2 is pretty overkill for me ( really pretty but still). I can still fit my Ultra on my pockets nicely so the X2 should be good, as far as size goes.
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I looked at the LeTv when searching for large phablets. It's smaller screen size and puny battery turned me off. All these spec wars mean nothing. 1080p vs 2k in a small screen means nothing. 3gb vs 4gb in an Android phone mean nothing if I don't see a performance boost. The X2 is without a doubt the best all around large phone/tablet out there right now. Huawei is a more well known brand especially now that they are making the next Nexus phone.

ajsmsg78 said:
I looked at the LeTv when searching for large phablets. It's smaller screen size and puny battery turned me off. All these spec wars mean nothing. 1080p vs 2k in a small screen means nothing. 3gb vs 4gb in an Android phone mean nothing if I don't see a performance boost. The X2 is without a doubt the best all around large phone/tablet out there right now. Huawei is a more well known brand especially now that they are making the next Nexus phone.
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Yea, it's what I thought but when you get almost no reviews and comments about a phone, the specs are the only thing I can use for a guide on this. Huawei is a known brand, just not like Sony. The Z ultra had tons of reviews and feedback when it came out, but I could only find 1 review and many unboxings/ hands on. Thanks for the help!

Khiuli said:
That's exactly what I had in mind. When I was buying the Z Ultra I was able to test and research it better since it was from a known brand. But for the X2 I'm having trouble coming across more specific informations. What you said is what I'm looking for.
The LeTV seems like a pain to repair and it's design looks boring. The specs were buying me but it's pretty much what you said, it's the combination of everything ( and the x2 looks pretty as hell). The only down side for me would be not having a water proof phone like the Ultra but it's something I can get over since it's not a priority for me.
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Water proof is one of those oversold features. Do you use your smartphone in the shower? Do you use your smartphone while swimming ( by the way, Sony does not advice trying out the water proof in anything but clean water because chloor or salt = bad )? Its more of a annoy always opening up that usb cover. In all my life i never lost a phone because of water damage. If it rains, you do not use the phone. Simple as that. Or you use it under a umbrella. A bit of rain on the screen of the X2 or any non-water proof phone, will not destroy it. Its all pressed together. I found the water proof more of a excuse so they do not need to install a removable battery. And having it replaced by the manufacture ... awwwwww... Same reason why i sold my ZU: It will cost more to replace the battery by Sony ( and you STILL lose your water proof protection because even Sony can not guarantee that when they re-glue it, it will be water proof! ).
The X2 feel nice in the hand. I was planning on buying a case but i like the heavy metal feel instead of that glass feel that ZU had. It feels more robust. You do not feel like it will break and you need a protector. Disadvantage is that the metal is also slippery. Frankly, i like to get some plastic protector for the back of the X2, that is "grippy". The funny part being is, the X2 feels more premium with the metal, then the ZU.
I now just use the default protection plastic that was on it ( put it back ) and it gives more grip. But its not clean ( full of explanation text *lol* )
For the rest ... if you come from the ZU, its a bit of adjustment. The X2 is only 1cm thicker on the side, but it gives a massive visual difference. The X2 looks BIG, compared to the ZU. Yet, its only 1 cm difference. Its that optical illusion effect from long & slender.
Worst part is probably the default launcher and DPI. Its set to 400 default and that is crazy. 280 is perfect for this device but it gives some problems with the default software from Huawei ( they still try to render some things in 400 dpi ). But nothing beats having Chrome in 280dpi, with tabs and full desktop rendering and still perfectly readable
O yea, and one thing i miss from my ZU, is that the X2 by default does not turn off its Wifi when you leave the house ( the ZU has a option for that ). You can do it ( there are 3th party programs ) that do it, but you need to root it ( takes a while to get the unlock code from Huawei ).
Khiuli said:
If I were going for that, I would just go with one of those cheap 6" phablets with 720p screens, haha. The M2 is pretty overkill for me ( really pretty but still). I can still fit my Ultra on my pockets nicely so the X2 should be good, as far as size goes.
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The M2 is overkill. That is more a tablet. Smaller battery, bigger screen, bigger size, no phone capability. Price almost the same.
Khiuli said:
Yea, it's what I thought but when you get almost no reviews and comments about a phone, the specs are the only thing I can use for a guide on this. Huawei is a known brand, just not like Sony. The Z ultra had tons of reviews and feedback when it came out, but I could only find 1 review and many unboxings/ hands on. Thanks for the help!
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You can simply look up the X1 for basic reviews. The X2 is just a upgraded X1 with a better SOC ( CPU/GPU/Memory/Flash ). The basic design & internally is almost identical. There are also a few Russian etc reviews ( google translate ) that go fairly in dept. The biggest complaint in every review ... size. Just like with the ZU. Its a "acquired" taste.
Anyway, its your money but the LE Max, i removed that from the list months ago, because of the almost identical battery size like the ZU. For phone's of this size, its not acceptable that they have batteries inside of only 3000/3400mAh.

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Water proof is one of those oversold features. Do you use your smartphone in the shower? Do you use your smartphone while swimming ( by the way, Sony does not advice trying out the water proof in anything but clean water because chloor or salt = bad )? Its more of a annoy always opening up that usb cover. In all my life i never lost a phone because of water damage. If it rains, you do not use the phone. Simple as that. Or you use it under a umbrella. A bit of rain on the screen of the X2 or any non-water proof phone, will not destroy it. Its all pressed together. I found the water proof more of a excuse so they do not need to install a removable battery. And having it replaced by the manufacture ... awwwwww... Same reason why i sold my ZU: It will cost more to replace the battery by Sony ( and you STILL lose your water proof protection because even Sony can not guarantee that when they re-glue it, it will be water proof! ).
The X2 feel nice in the hand. I was planning on buying a case but i like the heavy metal feel instead of that glass feel that ZU had. It feels more robust. You do not feel like it will break and you need a protector. Disadvantage is that the metal is also slippery. Frankly, i like to get some plastic protector for the back of the X2, that is "grippy". The funny part being is, the X2 feels more premium with the metal, then the ZU.
I now just use the default protection plastic that was on it ( put it back ) and it gives more grip. But its not clean ( full of explanation text *lol* )
For the rest ... if you come from the ZU, its a bit of adjustment. The X2 is only 1cm thicker on the side, but it gives a massive visual difference. The X2 looks BIG, compared to the ZU. Yet, its only 1 cm difference. Its that optical illusion effect from long & slender.
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Worst part is probably the default launcher and DPI. Its set to 400 default and that is crazy. 280 is perfect for this device but it gives some problems with the default software from Huawei ( they still try to render some things in 400 dpi ). But nothing beats having Chrome in 280dpi, with tabs and full desktop rendering and still perfectly readable
O yea, and one thing i miss from my ZU, is that the X2 by default does not turn off its Wifi when you leave the house ( the ZU has a option for that ). You can do it ( there are 3th party programs ) that do it, but you need to root it ( takes a while to get the unlock code from Huawei ).
The M2 is overkill. That is more a tablet. Smaller battery, bigger screen, bigger size, no phone capability. Price almost the same.
You can simply look up the X1 for basic reviews. The X2 is just a upgraded X1 with a better SOC ( CPU/GPU/Memory/Flash ). The basic design & internally is almost identical. There are also a few Russian etc reviews ( google translate ) that go fairly in dept. The biggest complaint in every review ... size. Just like with the ZU. Its a "acquired" taste.
Anyway, its your money but the LE Max, i removed that from the list months ago, because of the almost identical battery size like the ZU. For phone's of this size, its not acceptable that they have batteries inside of only 3000/3400mAh.
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The man is absolutely correct. It WAS cool to be able to answer my Z Ultra in the shower when someone called but opening up the rubber to charge it was a PITA. The Z Ultra was my least favorite phone I've ever owned. Nothing was good about it except for the screen size and waterproofing. (It was super thin but had a puny battery which negated the fact that it was so thin) I'm am so glad when it completely crapped out three weeks after I got it that I was able to return it to the seller for a refund and buy the X2.

Thanks for all the in-depth info, folks... I especially appreciated the information about how batteries are replaced. I have never bought a phone without a replaceable battery. I keep my phones for a long time (compared to as long as you probably do). I still have my Note 2 (in pristine condition - actually even with the first iSmooth screen protector I ever installed still in pristine condition). The only problem I ever had with my Note 2 is that just recently I had to buy a new battery because the old one had degraded to about 3/4 power... I have been researching both the X2 and the P8MAX and dying to buy either but, not being the pros that you are, I have been extremely hesitant to take the plunge because I was worried about repairs once the battery started degrading. So where would you bring the X2 for repairs here in the USA? Seriously, I don't have half the knowledge or experience that you have. I have been avidly reading every forum and website I can find regarding the X2 and the P8MAX to learn a little bit here and there. Thanks so much for your time to try to teach people like me!
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should i buy Mi4C

Hi everyone
I wanna buy a new phone and the specs of Mi4c have catch me compared to it's price, but then there is many review that says it have a heating issue, so now i just wanna ask you as owners of this phone, do you advise me to buy it or to look for another model, i should mention that im not a gamer just from time to time on simple games, i use most this phone for social medias and video calls at skype.
thank you in advance for any help

I did take the plunge and so far i love it My findings:
Beware that mi4c is China only phone originally so don't expect Global MIUI ROM officially. you can try MIUI eu ROM or sMIUI as alternative but in general this phone will stuck with Android 5.1.1 officially, only the MIUI version is upped. the base OS is still the same Lollipop. the best way to enjoy Nougat is with CM but its Marshmallow CM experience is pretty much stable all around at this time of development.
No overheating so far, but then again i flashed into CM from the start so no MIUI for me.
The Rectangular design is Sony like so i love it (subjective ofc)
Great camera and screen quality.
Battery life is on par with any 3000mah flagship so no worries. (but then again i'm using CM here)
BUT..
If you value super battery life, but not great but above average camera and screen, you can grab the Redmi Note 3 (Snapdragon version) with roughly the same price. Plus the Global ROM availabilty is guaranteed for Xiaomi RN3. I personally take mi4c just because i like the design language plus the camera quality proven by GSMArena and others. So there you have it.

The fact it overheats compared to other phones is true, but only partly. Yes, it overheats, but it only does so on miui. I find, using any other custom rom based on aosp or cm, that the issue is completely gone. And when I overheats it really isn't that much of an issue in my experience.
If you ask me, you can't find a better 5"-5.2" phone under 200. If you value community support too it's basically an obligated choice as well.

The overheating isn´t gone with another Rom.
I tried every Rom and still have this problems (not as much as with miui, but still overheating), but with other Roms you could manage the throttling better. So you don´t have lags and freezes while gaming what is important, but for me it heats on 50-65+ on every Rom while play 3d games and rare throttling.
The problem is the 808 - 810 series. Every phone with this cpus overheats.

There is no overheating if you put the GPU and the BIG cores in powersave. You should get like 4-5 hours screen-on time and no performace issues. Also the battery should last 48h with normal use.

What you mean with "put the GPU and the BIG cores in powersave" ?
At least you have a 30k antutu device and i don´t believe that you can play 3d games well like that. Thats for sure not what the OP want.
I won´t say that the Mi4c is a bad device, price / performance is pretty good, but its not right there aren´t overheating problems. Everyone should now about that issue before he buy it and if i know before that i can just use 60-70 % of the performance i would looking for another device maybe (i tought there is more space above the 68k written in the test results like in every phone with another rom ...).
The best result i get was with RR 5.7.1 constant 55k antutu (heating about ~55°c). With some roms my phone throttle down to 30-40k and i had enormly problems to play NFS, fps 15 after 2-3 mins. With efficient mode i stuck at 45k or less.
For sure not every phone is same, what mean if you are lucky you couldn´t have overheating problems.

Danny94 said:
What you mean with "put the GPU and the BIG cores in powersave" ?
At least you have a 30k antutu device and i don´t believe that you can play 3d games well like that. Thats for sure not what the OP want.
I won´t say that the Mi4c is a bad device, price / performance is pretty good, but its not right there aren´t overheating problems. Everyone should now about that issue before he buy it and if i know before that i can just use 60-70 % of the performance i would looking for another device maybe (i tought there is more space above the 68k written in the test results like in every phone with another rom ...).
The best result i get was with RR 5.7.1 constant 55k antutu (heating about ~55°c). With some roms my phone throttle down to 30-40k and i had enormly problems to play NFS, fps 15 after 2-3 mins. With efficient mode i stuck at 45k or less.
For sure not every phone is same, what mean if you are lucky you couldn´t have overheating problems.
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thank you for your answer but i just wanna know if it heat on normal usage, like social media, taking photos and skype video calls, cause the main reason i wanna buy this phone is the screen and the camera, i casualy play games and when i do, it just simple games like domino or guessing games.

Well, in your case no. You won´t have overheating problems just for social media etc. and very simple games.
But could be that you find a new game/app wich need performance then you could have. Future ! ;D.
BTW Vector 2 looks like a simple game, Pokemon Go looks like a simple game, a map with some stops but you would have overheating probs (resp. - i have - ~55°c). Just saying ;D.

Danny94 said:
Well, in your case no. You won´t have overheating problems just for social media etc. and very simple games.
But could be that you find a new game/app wich need performance then you could have. Future ! ;D.
BTW Vector 2 looks like a simple game, Pokemon Go looks like a simple game, a map with some stops but you would have overheating probs (resp. - i have - ~55°c). Just saying ;D.
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thank you again, i will go for it, i was hesitating between this phone and redmi 3s

The main reason you shouldn't buy a redmi 3s is the well known bug that keeps the phone stuck on 2G in some occasions (you can read more on miui.com or here in xda).
@Danny94, that 55k antutu sounds low. And so does that cpu temperature you were talking about. I wouldn't rule out the possibility it's a defective unit, frankly. With all the roms I've used I've never gotten less than 65k and 72k with my current daily driver - TS CM13.

Danny94 said:
What you mean with "put the GPU and the BIG cores in powersave" ?
At least you have a 30k antutu device and i don´t believe that you can play 3d games well like that. Thats for sure not what the OP want.
I won´t say that the Mi4c is a bad device, price / performance is pretty good, but its not right there aren´t overheating problems. Everyone should now about that issue before he buy it and if i know before that i can just use 60-70 % of the performance i would looking for another device maybe (i tought there is more space above the 68k written in the test results like in every phone with another rom ...).
The best result i get was with RR 5.7.1 constant 55k antutu (heating about ~55°c). With some roms my phone throttle down to 30-40k and i had enormly problems to play NFS, fps 15 after 2-3 mins. With efficient mode i stuck at 45k or less.
For sure not every phone is same, what mean if you are lucky you couldn´t have overheating problems.
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I had Z5 Premium before mi4c (don't ask why the downgrade) and it does overheat, causing a game like Horizon Chase to stutter after a while. None that i found with mi4c. so even if this phone CPU overheats in games, the impact isn't as pronounced compared to 810 powered phone. Yeah gaming is quite major part in smartphone but it's taken as an in-between activity so in pretty much all other activities, even 810 is still very good as i have used in Z5P and no complain generally.
Matt17BR said:
The main reason you shouldn't buy a redmi 3s is the well known bug that keeps the phone stuck on 2G in some occasions (you can read more on miui.com or here in xda).
@Danny94, that 55k antutu sounds low. And so does that cpu temperature you were talking about. I wouldn't rule out the possibility it's a defective unit, frankly. With all the roms I've used I've never gotten less than 65k and 72k with my current daily driver - TS CM13.
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last time i test i get around 69k, so pretty good actually.

adrinho987 said:
Hi everyone
I wanna buy a new phone and the specs of Mi4c have catch me compared to it's price, but then there is many review that says it have a heating issue, so now i just wanna ask you as owners of this phone, do you advise me to buy it or to look for another model, i should mention that im not a gamer just from time to time on simple games, i use most this phone for social medias and video calls at skype.
thank you in advance for any help
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You should look at Zuk Z2 (not pro) much better than mi4c

Guys i believe you to reach 69k ... on Antutu, but thats not a true value... I reach 69 k too on first time, you should try to test 5 times or more behind each other until your value doesn´t drop anymore. That was for me 55k on RR 5.7.1, with the most other Roms i was on 35k after 3-5 test.
The first test doesn´t have any sense on this cpu, because of the overheating -> throttle. Or does you play a game for only 3 minutes too ?
Yeah the Zuk Z2 looks great. I like 5" smartphones and at the moment the Zuk Z2 is the best in my opinion, the Rom should be bad, but there are for sure custom roms.

ermacwins said:
You should look at Zuk Z2 (not pro) much better than mi4c
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thank you but zuk z2 is around 210$ while mi4c will cost me only 120$

I would go for Mi4S, it worth the upgrade IMO...

As i know the Mi4c has the same hardware like the Mi4s, just small things like fingerprint sensor, sd -slot, little bit more battery, but costs a lot more.

It really depends on the relative price of Mi 4c compared to other devices.
The only thing that makes Mi 4c stand out is its camera quality. It takes amazing photos (though the focus speed is average) and high quality 4k videos (though the lack of stabilization means you need very steady hands).
Performance of Mi 4c is good but it heats too much. Stand-by power consumption is too high (even when compared with nearly identical phones like Mi 4s).
I'm not sure what prices you can get, but in China you can get Mi 5 (3GB RAM, 32GB Storage) for USD250 through the official Mi shop. The Red Mi Note 3 and Note 4 offer metal body, fingerprint sensor, larger battery and similar performance. You can think about them as well. Note that the Red Mi series have noticeably worse camera than Mi 4c.

adrinho987 said:
thank you but zuk z2 is around 210$ while mi4c will cost me only 120$
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$120 for 16gb/2gb model?

ermacwins said:
$120 for 16gb/2gb model?
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yeah at aliexpress; actually you can even get it at 109 usd if you are in a country that all sellers in aliexpress ship to

I would try to get at least the 32gb/3gb model

Xiaomi Mi problems or just rumors?

Hi XDA guys!
Everybody knows that Mi series goal is to be better than Redmi at least in specs and performance.
But how about performance to price ratio, how about all other things that You dont worry and dont expect in REDMI casue it's cheap but You do expect it in the MI series?
What are the problems/things that You don't like in MI series?
What are the problems/things that You don't like in REDMI series if there is any? WHY? Cause we all know not to expect wonders for a low budget priced phones.
I've talked to many people who had/have REDMI and MI series Xiaomi phones (clients, selllers, internet folks, friends) and they only agree on ONE thing -the price is great wheter it is REMI or MI phone.
A strange thing happens.... REDMI owners are always satisfied. The only thing that bothers not all of them is the camera quality.
But in low and middle price segment REDMI beats EVERY other BRAND.
Xiaomi has also great prices in the high end flagship models but here MANY PEOPLE are dissapointed.
For example camera quality, screen quiality, body, bezel, bugs, no NFC, no european B20 LTE band.
The MI users also tell me that non of the above bothers them but something totaly different. EACH person = an original problem with MI device.
Can You please tell me what are Your problems/dislikes with MI and REDMI devices cause I'm about to buy one from each segment?
What should I worry about (Android updates maybe?) buying a REDMI and a MI phone IN YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIANCE?
Don't get me wrong. I never had a MI phone but in shops they perform GREAT so I wonder what's the fuss is about?

You Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S is running good, Internal version with all bands, I bought it in Xiaomi shop in France so it's normal to get everything good.
The problems that I noticed are a performances issues on benchmarks and the back glass is very fragile, I have scratches even with the case.
I have big hopes with Android P.

Bryandu13 said:
You Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S is running good, Internal version with all bands, I bought it in Xiaomi shop in France so it's normal to get everything good.
The problems that I noticed are a performances issues on benchmarks and the back glass is very fragile, I have scratches even with the case.
I have big hopes with Android P.
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Thanks for reply dude, I have some questions though:
1. What exactly did You notice on benchmarks? Performance issues shouldn't exist. It's the fastest CPU (SD 845).
2.Why do You have big hopes with Android P. Is Oreo making problems and what kind?
3. It would seem like in flagship models the manufactuers put very delicate screens probably to earn more cash on repair. I have the same problem on Samsung Galaxy S8. A slightly nail can scratch the surface and still they say it's gorilla glass. That unacceptable.
On Redmi Note 4 (cheap Xiaomi phone) I have such a hard screen that I don't need any kind of protection....

My mi mix 2s issue is just about ghosting screen and laggy video recording, other than that is perfect.

So many issues. Mostly software which has too many bugs to list. Text selection is buggy. Text input is laggy because of full screen gestures. Often no way to switch apps during calls. MIUI is a disaster. Our Mi A2 running Android One is a significant step up.
In terms of hardware, the Mix 2s is ok. The screen is the main problem. It is not very bright outside compared to my old pixel. Also it scratches very easily. I've never had a scratch on a phone screen in over 10 years, but I already have 2 on this handset after a few weeks and I don't have a clue how as I don't keep anything else in the same pocket. It says it is gorilla glass but I don't believe it - I think it is made out of cheese

I've noticed performance drops on benchmarks too. First Antutu score was 270k, the last one i did after factory was 209k....
Phone gets hot real quick, idle cpu temperature is around 39C.
My camera lens started to peel... after a week

androidbadboy said:
Thanks for reply dude, I have some questions though:
1. What exactly did You notice on benchmarks? Performance issues shouldn't exist. It's the fastest CPU (SD 845).
2.Why do You have big hopes with Android P. Is Oreo making problems and what kind?
3. It would seem like in flagship models the manufactuers put very delicate screens probably to earn more cash on repair. I have the same problem on Samsung Galaxy S8. A slightly nail can scratch the surface and still they say it's gorilla glass. That unacceptable.
On Redmi Note 4 (cheap Xiaomi phone) I have such a hard screen that I don't need any kind of protection....
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1 - Low scores for a S845 (less than 200k on AnTuTu, 3400 on 3dmark slingshot extreme, 1900-7000 on Geekbench)
2 - Xiaomi announced big buffs for camera and performances with their Android P builds.
3 - I'm just talking about scratches, because the back is ceramic and shouldn't be scrashed so easily under a case (the provided one).

That scratching is simply a way to tell Your subconcius to buy another flagship from Xiaomi cause the current one will be too scrached.
Are You sure that the long awaited Mi Mix 2s has a long list of bugs?
Xiaomi did overtime to put this phone on the market with flawless opinion.
What else I can expect from Mi Mix 2s and do You think that these bugs won't exist in the newly lanuched Mi8?
BTW It's a shame, Xiaomi was well on their way to beat even Samsung with performance to price ratio but they suddenly asked too much cash for their top phones.
If they would keep up what has been done in the low budget phones we could have a worldwide revolution resouting in ALL brands lowering their price for even flagship phones.
It was so close... We all would benefit from it. For example a Samsung S9+ instead of 1000 $ would cost 600 USD.
Xiaomi did us no favor and got all of a sudden a big time player alhought their flagships are yet far from being great.

Who cares?I am using this phone, not someone else.I like it, this is the most important thing.

1 - My Mix 2S never freezes. Never.
2 - I'm not facing any issue with video recording (4k).
3 - I don't give a **** for performing Antutu tests. I just look at its scores before buying.
4 - I'm with Mix 2S about 20 days and there's no lens peeling or scratches. I am careful with it. I can sell it right now as a new.

Adriano-A3 said:
1 - My Mix 2S never freezes. Never.
2 - I'm not facing any issue with video recording (4k).
3 - I don't give a **** for performing Antutu tests. I just look at its scores before buying.
4 - I'm with Mix 2S about 20 days and there's no lens peeling or scratches. I am careful with it. I can sell it right now as a new.
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2 - Just check in camera settings 60 fps isn't available.
3 - ok, but the Snapdragon 845 was a major spec for this device and the phone perform like a S835 one.
4 - You're lucky for the scraches, I don't know how the mine have been scrached under a case, but I have no lens peeling neither.

I've had mine for 3 months now, and it's perfect for me, especially for the price.
No scratches, no peel lenses, and I don't notice any ghosting. In fact, my only gripe is that the MIUI notification pull down with the brightness slider needs you to touch where the slider is before you can move it. My previous phone (ZUK Z2 Pro) let you tap anywhere on the slider bar and it would move to where your finger is. So quickly upping to full brightness in sunlight on my Mix 2S is trickier as I need to see where the slider is.

Bryandu13 said:
2 - Just check in camera settings 60 fps isn't available.
3 - ok, but the Snapdragon 845 was a major spec for this device and the phone perform like a S835 one.
4 - You're lucky for the scraches, I don't know how the mine have been scrached under a case, but I have no lens peeling neither.
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2 - You are right. Is Xiaomi crazy?
3 - As I told for a friend early: I didn't notice any difference while using Mix 2 and Mix 2S. I'm not on gaming. I just want a never-lag device, iykwim.
4 - I'm with my device 24 hours per day. I know where it is everytime.

I have the global model 128gb version and as soon as it was set up I was disappointed with MIUI.
Never had a Xiaomi device before but the rom sucks and has so many bugs in it it's really annoying.
Fortunately some people here are developing custom ROMs and I'm on pixel experience gsi right now which works flawlessly. It's like having a Pixel for half the price. Of course there is some work left for the Devs regarding some little features like auto brightness and camera apps but I'm use a Gcam port and it's fine for me.
It's not the device IMO its the software that kills it. They have good prices but the bootloader unlocking process is really annoying and their software suite like the MiFlash tool is really crappy.
I tried flashing the Android P Beta from Xiaomi and almost bricked my phone because they just forgot to include some batch files in the original download. I was lucky because some guy here provided all the needed files and I got the device running but this must not happen to a company that wants to be a global player.
Just my 2 cents...
I use the provided case and have no scratches, lens peels whatsoever but the case start to break on the lower right corner after just 2 months and taking it off only 3 times. But it was free so I'm okay with that.

kleinholzinferno said:
I have the global model 128gb version and as soon as it was set up I was disappointed with MIUI.
Never had a Xiaomi device before but the rom sucks and has so many bugs in it it's really annoying.
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Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, which is "boring": never had a single issue in two years.
When I bought the Mi Mix 2S I was perfectly aware that I was buying a totally different phone, with an OS which apparently is always in beta stage.
But, you know, my Xiaomi is just fun!

guildamx said:
Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
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The problem is that reviews never talk about the bugs or missing features. And the ROM flashing community makes it sound easy to just swap to an AOSP ROM, without mentioning that AOSP ROMs take a very long time to develop and lose features like camera quality etc.
Personally I expected MIUI to be a bit annoying. I used it 6 years ago and it was not great but I had expected it to have improved. I was wrong. It is the worst experience I've had on a phone out of the box. I can't believe companies manage to sell consumer devices this bad. Xiaomi puts a tonne of effort into a ROM that has fewer features and worse usability than stock Android. Why invest so much energy into making something worse?

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The problem is that reviews never talk about the bugs or missing features. And the ROM flashing community makes it sound easy to just swap to an AOSP ROM, without mentioning that AOSP ROMs take a very long time to develop and lose features like camera quality etc.
Personally I expected MIUI to be a bit annoying. I used it 6 years ago and it was not great but I had expected it to have improved. I was wrong. It is the worst experience I've had on a phone out of the box. I can't believe companies manage to sell consumer devices this bad. Xiaomi puts a tonne of effort into a ROM that has fewer features and worse usability than stock Android. Why invest so much energy into making something worse?
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I had both stock and miui , emui , etc...
I had Nokia 8 , Lg G6 , Honor 8 huawei p9 , p10 plus, xiaomi mi mix 2s , samsung s5
And i dont understand why do you say that miui has less features ... It has theme engine (no root) ,gestures, optimized battery saving , screen temprature
It seems you dont know what you are talking about , i found that the phone with less features was nokia 8 (stock) . The only thing good was the fastest updates but i had no control about nothing

guildamx said:
Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, which is "boring": never had a single issue in two years.
When I bought the Mi Mix 2S I was perfectly aware that I was buying a totally different phone, with an OS which apparently is always in beta stage.
But, you know, my Xiaomi is just fun!
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Just to clarify some things:
Before buying a product at that price range I'm thoroughly investigating the product. So I was not "totally unconscious" as you call it.
I was aware of the OS and the differences from stock android. But if you can't get your hands on a device before buying it you have to trust reviews and hands on videos. And almost all of them didn't mention the problems I encountered.
As posted before you're getting lied to or bugs and errors are just sugarcoated and no one tells the truth.
I have no problem flashing phones and always did and I'm glad there are alternatives for this piece of crap MIUI. You say it's developed for years? Maybe, but for this amount of time invested into an OS we could expect a better performance and stable ROMs without all the bugs.
Have you ever read the official MIUI forum? Besides the point whor**g there it's full of bugs and problems and none of the Xiaomi devs gives a flying f*ck about the people reporting them.
I'm happy with the pixel experience rom by now. Never going back again.
End of rant.
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DMart9406 said:
It has theme engine (no root) ,gestures, optimized battery saving , screen temprature
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Yeah themes are the most important feature... especially when you have to set your location to India to get it to work.
You know, that's one of the things that makes me mad. It's not only about pushing as many features into a rom as possible. They should work properly to be a benefit. Not working features are a no-go.
And all of the things you mention are not MIUI specific. They try to copy all the good stuff from other manufacturers, but fail permanently.
Battery life was catastrophic with MIUI. With the Pixel Experience rom I get twice the SOT. And that's with a not device customized GSI...let that sink in.

kleinholzinferno said:
Just to clarify some things (...)
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Again, that is your point of view. I am not saying you are lying, just that your opinion is highly subjective.
1) MIUI forum is full of children writing "cool" and "great". Nothing comparable with XDA. But is has been so since the beginning. Every experienced android user knows (and keeps far away). Why complain now?
2) As I wrote above, I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, whose OS is rock-solid. Still I cannot complain about the lack of feature in MIUI. For example I have many routines in my ordinary day; with the S7 I used Tasker for scheduling vibration mode, wifi on/off, connection and so on; MIUI has this feature and works great, without additional apps (and root!). Same for taking screen captures: no need to edit build.prob, as MIUI has a simple gesture for that. I agree that MIUI may have some bugs, but definitely the issue is not the lack of features.
3) Battery life was "catastrophic" just in your configuration. In my configuration battery drain is comparable with S7, i.e. very good.

guildamx said:
Again, that is your point of view. I am not saying you are lying, just that your opinion is highly subjective.
1) MIUI forum is full of children writing "cool" and "great". Nothing comparable with XDA. But is has been so since the beginning. Every experienced android user knows (and keeps far away). Why complain now?
2) As I wrote above, I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, whose OS is rock-solid. Still I cannot complain about the lack of feature in MIUI. For example I have many routines in my ordinary day; with the S7 I used Tasker for scheduling vibration mode, wifi on/off, connection and so on; MIUI has this feature and works great, without additional apps (and root!). Same for taking screen captures: no need to edit build.prob, as MIUI has a simple gesture for that. I agree that MIUI may have some bugs, but definitely the issue is not the lack of features.
3) Battery life was "catastrophic" just in your configuration. In my configuration battery drain is comparable with S7, i.e. very good.
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Of course my opinion is subjective...as all opinions are. I just pointed out what bothers me about the forum, the device and the software.
I've seen and used much better android ROMs and MIUI is just not for me. So I switched the rom asap.
I also used Samsung's UI on my brand new tablet with at the time some of the best hardware you could get. And guess what it lagged awfully. So I dumped the Samsung firmware, installed lineage and it's snappy and responsive. No comparison.
But everybody likes and uses or needs other features, as you mentioned and that's perfectly fine. That's the great advantage of a free system like android.
I just don't need the "features" of MIUI to me it's overloaded.
Regarding the forum you're right. It's like playing COD with a bunch of 14 year olds on steroids.

Share your experience after using Xiaomi Poco F1

Hey guys, I just want to know your experience after using Xiaomi Poco f1 for months.... Are you guys satisfied with your phone or do you guys regret buying it?
And please rate the phone.

Yes, I'm very satisfied with the device, it surely is an upgrade from my Lenovo P2. The device is very responsive. It was the transition to Miui that kept me deciding wether I wanted it. After using Miui for 2 months now.. I definitely recommend a Xiaomi device to all my friends.

Upgraded from Galaxy S5 two months ago. Thought that the screen downgrade would bother me but it really doesn't - it's a decent screen for an LCD (and I love a very low minimal backlight level for night reading, usually for me a most useful feature of an amoled screen). Of course, it's extremely snappy and I find even the camera excellent (gcam is a big help here but even a built in app is decent). While I really like the photos, I don't care much for the video. It's detailed enough, with a good dynamic range and the EIS on 1080p is excellent but it's aggressive 'local' HDR is very apparent. It really looks bad when only a certain part of the image keeps changing in brightness while panning. The video is much better if you don't pan around. I rarely take videos so it's not much of a downside for me and maybe a gcam video has a different HDR algorithm (forgot to try it). I am not a gamer (bought a high-performance phone mostly for future-proofing and to run a Linux desktop on) so haven't really been hit that hard with a often mentioned touch responsiveness (seems perfectly OK to me). I have a custom built widget for always on homescreen notifications that I vastly prefer to tiny notification icons so the lack of the latter doesn't bother me. I actually hate notification icons as I am usually running 4-5 background services with permanent active notifications that eat up all the available space. This way I only get dismissable notifications that are actually notifications.
I can't comment on the cell signal quality as I haven't got out of a city lately and here the signal is decent everywhere. Band coverage shouldn't be a problem in Europe, I think. All in all, I haven't regretted the purchase and don't underestimate the 'smug factor' of owning a phone that's a much smarter purchase than all the fancy branded ones.

My dream came true with this legendary phone.... I used to think that when I will use flagship processor.... But my budget not that much high to purchase flagship mobiles ... But after seeing this mobile with high end processor .. I felt that I too have a legendary mobile in my hands... I don't see any brand before purchase ... Just I saw the snapdragon 845 processor and I bought this phone and I felt happy ... This phone is awesome and Google camera is working like a charm ... And I am using pixel experience ROM ... I love that ROM ....
POCO (LOVE )

srabon debnath said:
Hey guys, I just want to know your experience after using Xiaomi Poco f1 for months.... Are you guys satisfied with your phone or do you guys regret buying it?
And please rate the phone.
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the camera warps when you try to stabilize a video because no ois, further note all phone cameras suck at low light video. Google camera by far enhances this phones zoom and low light capabilities greatly.
Remember guys this phone is full of compromises
Of course there are better phones with better screens if your expecting a phone with an amazing Samsung display or flashy looks then best to buy a samsung phone. The only positive side the phone is the copper heatsink and 845 processor. The screens display is praised as not complete garbage.
If your a casual phone user it's better to go with a used s8 because this phone is only for pubg
Pros
Xiaomis support of modding is insane even providing warranty when rooting.
Lenovo and Huawei are terrible in comparison you would be lucky to even have 1 custom kernel or rom on those phones.

I was iphone user ever since 3gs, switched from iphone 7 to pocof1 last year and fell in love immediately. First vacation with my wife took maaaany pics, incomparable to her s7 edge or my iphone 7, so much better. Paid 300€ for 128gb version, unbeatable. Countless custom roms, updates coming fast, of course there r better phones, but they cost 700€ or more, so no, thank you, no more "flagships" for me. Been using poco for 4 months now, no regrets not for a second. AND...i dont need a f..... screenprotector or cover or any other protecting sht like before, not scared of getting scratches, and i dont have any yet, still as new. By far the best phone i ever had

Thanks for the replies guys.