[Q] Sprint Galaxy S5 Security Notification - Sprint Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

First I'd like to say I love this site and my first post whooo! lol. I have used it for several months and finaly got to the point where i might as well been an active member. (also I'm getting pretty decent at this stuff and figured I could help some of the beggener questions)
Ok so My wife plays clash of clans and i finaly talked her into letting me root her phone so she could use xmodgames with it.
come to find out with the phone being on Android 5.0 the S5 is one of two phones that wont work with xmod (S5 and Note 3) because of SeAndroid Enforcing. So I found and flashed a Kernel for her phone that is set to SeAndroid permissive. Which is great it worked. But now there is a constant notification stating "Security Notice" There is an unknown process which can harm blah blah blah. you know the usual Samsung "Don't do it stuff"
Is this being produced by Knox? if so will using a terminal emulator and the "pm disable com.sec.knox.seandroid" work to make that stop? and will adb work for that command? ( I've found especially with samsung devices that using a computer for everything has saved me a headache.
if not, i'm just theoryizing here but could I do an adb log and watch it and wait for the notification to come back up ( its like 30 seconds after you remove it) then stop that process?
thanks for your help guys.

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vahalaru said:
First I'd like to say I love this site and my first post whooo! lol. I have used it for several months and finaly got to the point where i might as well been an active member. (also I'm getting pretty decent at this stuff and figured I could help some of the beggener questions)
Ok so My wife plays clash of clans and i finaly talked her into letting me root her phone so she could use xmodgames with it.
come to find out with the phone being on Android 5.0 the S5 is one of two phones that wont work with xmod (S5 and Note 3) because of SeAndroid Enforcing. So I found and flashed a Kernel for her phone that is set to SeAndroid permissive. Which is great it worked. But now there is a constant notification stating "Security Notice" There is an unknown process which can harm blah blah blah. you know the usual Samsung "Don't do it stuff"
Is this being produced by Knox? if so will using a terminal emulator and the "pm disable com.sec.knox.seandroid" work to make that stop? and will adb work for that command? ( I've found especially with samsung devices that using a computer for everything has saved me a headache.
if not, i'm just theoryizing here but could I do an adb log and watch it and wait for the notification to come back up ( its like 30 seconds after you remove it) then stop that process?
thanks for your help guys.
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Are you using a stock rom? If not, what kind of rom are you using. Also do you have a screen shot?

Yeah it was stock 5.0 touchwiz with a custom kernel. Changing the seandroid to permissive was setting off samsungs security policy. I figured out of i press and hold the security notice notification i could hit info. It turned out it was a Samsung app called SecurityLogApp. Which i used jrummy's rom toolbox root browser to find the system app and deleted it. Which worked.
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[Q] Kyocera Milano, unable to root after OTA

I initially bricked my phone when I took an OTA update by accident while the phone was rooted. When I got the new phone I decided to let it update first and then try to root it but now the Gingerbreak/ZergRush method doesn't seem to work. It never reports that it failed but doesn't say success either, just the "Blue Hellions" thing. The script fails at the "adb remount" saying that the operation isn't permitted.
I've tried a few other methods but have had zero luck with them but most of them used ZR so I didn't expect a lot.
Since they don't seem to have a recovery image for this phone, there's not a lot I can do.
I'll take any ideas and upload logcat, etc.to help out (if I can...it seems to be about 100k which was double the allowed size for the last forum I asked this on)
Any and all help appreciated.
Kyocera Milano Root?
ehrichweiss said:
I initially bricked my phone when I took an OTA update by accident while the phone was rooted. When I got the new phone I decided to let it update first and then try to root it but now the Gingerbreak/ZergRush method doesn't seem to work. It never reports that it failed but doesn't say success either, just the "Blue Hellions" thing. The script fails at the "adb remount" saying that the operation isn't permitted.
I've tried a few other methods but have had zero luck with them but most of them used ZR so I didn't expect a lot.
Since they don't seem to have a recovery image for this phone, there's not a lot I can do.
I'll take any ideas and upload logcat, etc.to help out (if I can...it seems to be about 100k which was double the allowed size for the last forum I asked this on)
Any and all help appreciated.
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My wife has same phone and I also have tried many diff ways to root this phone with no luck. If someone out there has a suggestion...plz offer... tired of sleeping on couch while Milano is acting up.:crying:
Root Milano patched 2.3.4 Gingerbread
hawkeyez731 said:
My wife has same phone and I also have tried many diff ways to root this phone with no luck. If someone out there has a suggestion...plz offer... tired of sleeping on couch while Milano is acting up.:crying:
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I just got my phone from Ting a couple weeks ago and rooted it yesterday.
Unfortunately I can't directly post Outside links (Not at 10 posts yet, and have no idea what else to post about other than this at the moment, which requires a link (For Credit Due Purposes) and I know it will be helpful to people that were as desperate as me for something that was starting to seem rather impossible and no one was paying that much attention to it.), but this is important enough that I'll try to just chop it up - You'll just have to put it back together to go to that site.
This works:
androidforums
.com/milano-all-things
-root/709963-no
-pc-root-method
.html
Not sure why the guide says "Enable usb debugging in Settings, Applications, Development" since you never use the PC, I enabled it anyway, and also enabled to install third party apps, or else Poot won't install, not sure why that isn't on the guide. (Maybe they got mixed up?)
A few things you might want to know:
After hours I finally found the solution. But the terminal still doesn't work for uninstalling ("pm uninstall com.google.android.books.apk" = Failure), you have to do everything though your phone (I'm using the app "RootAppDelete"). The phone roots itself with a third party app called "Poot" using libraries from "Ministro 2"
Before doing this you're gonna need something like 25MBs of storage or so (Can delete everything afterwards with the exception of SuperUser (Can't delete that) to get the space back (Also, you need a app to actually use root actions). - The "Ministro 2" packages are huge for this phone's tiny internal storage! 11MB around)
Make sure to install anything small first and anything big right before the phone gets over 15MB full, because at that time you can't install anything else, with low memory errors.
Another thing that might have helped me when I did this is - back when I couldn't root I made all apps default install to the phone with the android sdk platform-tools (I didn't want to risk anything so I moved Poot, Ministro 2 and SuperUser back to the phone before running Poot. since they default installed to the SD)
"adb shell"
"pm SetInstallLocation 2"
Know its been said elsewhere, but this works with the Milano. Wanted to say that in case you needed the space to use Poot.
And the last problem is after I did all this, now my headphone jack wants to think it has headphones plugged in all the time, If I move the phone around it starts playing on the phone's speaker. It seems like something is lose. Not sure if that was caused by the root (since it wasn't doing it before, and I've never used the headphone jack before) or because there was lose hardware, not sure. Still working on a solution to that, which I found
something similar here, almost looks like a common problem: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=817872
I would put my proof of doing this have a screen shot of root checker, but alas its an outside link. Understand though.
And as I've read a million times before this, here's a disclaimer: I'm not responsible and use at your own risk.

[Q] OMG! (Anyone???) samsung gn2 networks prob

I have a sprint samsung galaxy note 2 that is rooted running macksrom 5.0 and i started having this problem. the problem is i can call from my phone when it is not on wifi but the 3g/4g isnt showing up top in the status bar i cant access the internet unless im on wifi. when i go into settings and click on mobile networks it acts like it is going to do it then it hangs at a black screen and a box pops up and says unfortunately, the process com.android.phone has stopped ive tried cleaning caches and fixing permissions, nothing helps, there is also another thing that pops up and says error #89 unknown error. it also says when i click on stuff, use touchwiz or xperia to perform this action. Always or just once.) I bought this samsung gn 2 online everything was already done to it. I think whoever installed the macks rom must have left the the touchwiz on it. Because it keeps asking me when i do things, perform action using touchwiz or xperia I also noticed that i have goomanager on it. Can i use the goomanager to reflash this phone? If so can someone give me information on how to properly do it. i also read something about mobile odin. Which one would be the easiest to use?

Run on Device not working for me! (Gear Watch Designer)

Hi can anyone help me with this problem, I keep getting a really long error message when I try to run my watch faces on my device. I will post the error message down below, if anyone knows a fix or work around please don't hesitate to let me know. Also I am running version 1.0.0 of Gear Watch Designer. Any help will be much appreciated, thanks!
View attachment 3696273
Looks like you may need to do the signature again? I've had to redo my author certificates a couple times. Try redoing them, then run on device. Also make sure unknown sources is allowed in the app manager
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scrappy610 said:
Looks like you may need to do the signature again? I've had to redo my author certificates a couple times. Try redoing them, then run on device. Also make sure unknown sources is allowed in the app manager
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Yeah my watch reset and it was working fine before it reset. Also I don't really know how redo the certificates though.
Ok, make sure your watch has debugging enabled: setConnect your watch through a command prompt window with sdb connect. Once that is done go to gwd and select the project tab. Then first select author and follow the prompts for new certificate. Then select distributor and follow prompts for new there. Then try.
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Struggling with this. It's happened to me several times. S7 Edge, GS2 Classic, GWD 1.2.1, all the switches switched, rebooted the watch a couple times, tried to use my phone to connect, all that. The computers and the watch are on the same net but the program say No Device Detected. I've done everything I can think of - using the phone as a hot spot, disabling my virus program, sacrificing a virgin goat - EVERY DAMN THING! Of course Samsung provides nothing in the way of support so all my help comes from the forums, which is great! Just doesn't help.
I did the Allow Unknown Sources as well. Nada. And I'm running out of goats too.
rogerperk said:
Struggling with this. It's happened to me several times. S7 Edge, GS2 Classic, GWD 1.2.1, all the switches switched, rebooted the watch a couple times, tried to use my phone to connect, all that. The computers and the watch are on the same net but the program say No Device Detected. I've done everything I can think of - using the phone as a hot spot, disabling my virus program, sacrificing a virgin goat - EVERY DAMN THING! Of course Samsung provides nothing in the way of support so all my help comes from the forums, which is great! Just doesn't help.
I did the Allow Unknown Sources as well. Nada. And I'm running out of goats too.
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GOT IT! I had to get new author and distributor certs, turn off my anti-virus program, authorize unknown sources then reboot the phone but it now works. I've done each of those individually but I guess together is the key. Now if it just stays.

Is there a way to get rid of "Unautorized actions have been detected after root?

After i rooted my Tmobile Galaxy S7, i keep on getting this message saying "Security notice : Unauthorized actions have been detected. Restart to undo change. Im sure that this is KNOX kicking in. Is there a safe way to disable KNOX? Maybe through Titanium Backup? i just got this phone so im still new to the phone ins and outs.
I have even uninstalled all the apps and .apks (bloatware) that i wanted to and took root off of the phone. The message still comes up after restarting. There is a restart option within in the devices security tab that if i click on, restarts my phone but then there is an error and nothing happens.
As a side note, when i leave my house i like to take off WIFI and i have noticed that when i get back and connect to the network i have to reapply the password? is there a setting to correct this.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
#rooton
Eighthourblink said:
After i rooted my Tmobile Galaxy S7, i keep on getting this message saying "Security notice : Unauthorized actions have been detected. Restart to undo change. Im sure that this is KNOX kicking in. Is there a safe way to disable KNOX? Maybe through Titanium Backup? i just got this phone so im still new to the phone ins and outs.
I have even uninstalled all the apps and .apks (bloatware) that i wanted to and took root off of the phone. The message still comes up after restarting. There is a restart option within in the devices security tab that if i click on, restarts my phone but then there is an error and nothing happens.
As a side note, when i leave my house i like to take off WIFI and i have noticed that when i get back and connect to the network i have to reapply the password? is there a setting to correct this.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
#rooton
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-s7-edge/how-to/guide-post-root-common-bugs-fixes-t3427600
Read that thread and it explains how to solve those problems/bugs.
tyrone1 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-s7-edge/how-to/guide-post-root-common-bugs-fixes-t3427600
Read that thread and it explains how to solve those problems/bugs.
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Once again, thank you tyrone1!
Eighthourblink said:
Once again, thank you tyrone1!
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I only know because I just got this phone and went through the same process as you a day before you did lol.
Eighthourblink said:
After i rooted my Tmobile Galaxy S7, i keep on getting this message saying "Security notice : Unauthorized actions have been detected. Restart to undo change. Im sure that this is KNOX kicking in. Is there a safe way to disable KNOX? Maybe through Titanium Backup? i just got this phone so im still new to the phone ins and outs.
I have even uninstalled all the apps and .apks (bloatware) that i wanted to and took root off of the phone. The message still comes up after restarting. There is a restart option within in the devices security tab that if i click on, restarts my phone but then there is an error and nothing happens.
As a side note, when i leave my house i like to take off WIFI and i have noticed that when i get back and connect to the network i have to reapply the password? is there a setting to correct this.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
#rooton
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Go here and look under recommended next stepshttp://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s7/how-to/how-to-notes-root-install-xposed-unroot-t3411039 Also in that thread jump to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68116194&postcount=1426 Using Titanium or another program to freeze or uninstall apps freeze or uninstall Security policy updates and SecurityLogAgent. The Security Policy Updates has apparently been causing phones to go into a bootloop after a week or so. The SecurityLogAgent is what's telling you about the unauthorized changes. I really recommend reading that entire thread.
Corwinder said:
Go here and look under recommended next stepshttp://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s7/how-to/how-to-notes-root-install-xposed-unroot-t3411039 Also in that thread jump to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68116194&postcount=1426 Using Titanium or another program to freeze or uninstall apps freeze or uninstall Security policy updates and SecurityLogAgent. The Security Policy Updates has apparently been causing phones to go into a bootloop after a week or so. The SecurityLogAgent is what's telling you about the unauthorized changes. I really recommend reading that entire thread.
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Thanks for the info. I was actually trying to find this thread again after finding it the first time. So thank you for that. I tried some of the things that was mentioned from tyrone1 suggested thread. Nice to see that those fixes are included plus more.
I just got this phone so im still digging around and making it as slim as possible as in resources. Its incredible that phones nowaday come with so much bloatware on them.
#rooton
Could use some help with this.
Eighthourblink said:
Thanks for the info. I was actually trying to find this thread again after finding it the first time. So thank you for that. I tried some of the things that was mentioned from tyrone1 suggested thread. Nice to see that those fixes are included plus more.
I just got this phone so im still digging around and making it as slim as possible as in resources. Its incredible that phones nowaday come with so much bloatware on them.
#rooton
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Galaxy S7 Edge. Rooted, almost everything is great, but none of the fixes for removing this security warning have worked for me. I have tried Titanium and other apps to disable this, but so far, no dice. Can anyone help?
Worked for me.
JSI58 said:
Galaxy S7 Edge. Rooted, almost everything is great, but none of the fixes for removing this security warning have worked for me. I have tried Titanium and other apps to disable this, but so far, no dice. Can anyone help?
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I used Titanium Backup to uninstall "SecurityLogAgent". Just open Titanium. Tap on "Backup/Restore" and scroll down the huge list until you see "SecurityLogAgent". Taping on it gives a couple of options. I made a "Backup" of the file before tapping on "Uninstall". Once uninstalled just restart your device. I have the Galaxy Note 8 SM-N950N and it worked like a charm on this device. Good luck on your S7.
I did resolve it in a kindda primitive way
Since it is rooted, I use Root Explorer and go to system app folder. I change the permission of both folder and app of SecurityLogAgent to none. I believe it means the app won't run when restarted. It disapears now. As I have knowledge limitation about how this app work within the system, I will see if it compromize the system. I have the latest firmware and Odin ready to reflash.
Watch this video How to fix unauthorized actions have been detected, It will help you, I see many like and thanks for the video
https://youtu.be/Zu8E6WuQmII

Samsung S10+ Hacked by soon to be ex-wife

I need help. Phone has been hacked by my ex. All my conversations are being recorded 24hrs a day if in range of my phones microphone. Don't know how to stop it. Tried all avenues of help through work and carrier with no help provided. Appreciate any advice on what to try. Thanks.
sounds like your wife is the one getting scammed by paying someone for free apps
What I have seen though from the free apps is you can turn a mic on, find location, and take pictures. I haven't seen an app that can record everything you say within phone range 24 hrs a day. Plus after all the times I have reset my phone I have never restored it from a backup so I don't know how a free app could be on my phone.
That's way too much drama info that means nothing... I got a headache skim reading it
Change your Google account password on a secure PC.
Have the phone(s) firmware reflashed.
Be careful what you load.
Do whatever is needed to secure your PCs and data. Don't use either until proven clean.
Use only Gmail for email service and download only from trusted sources. If not sure, don't download it!
This isn't rocket science.
Thanks for the reply. Sorry, you are right, I did get carried away with my post. Just extremely frustrated after months of dealing with this issue. The only thing I haven't tried is re-flashing firmware. Thanks for the advice. I will try that.
im no laywer nor am i pretending to be
destory all her eletronics so she cant spy on your ****
so you just do a factory reset ? in stock recovery or in twrp how are you wiping ?? well theres not much you can do if your wife has phsycal access to your phone and this app is probably a system app or something so it doesent go away and if you constantly wipe your phone you cant do much
you can encrypt / passcode it but that can be bypassed with a factory reset
you should flash stock recovery
but devices seince android 5.0 lolipop have a frp lock you can ensure that a frp lock means when you do a factroy reset you have to do a google sign in for the first time only the first time tho
i would just divorce and leave her and XXXXX
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but this is a tech forum not a relationship advice
also you should not trust your pc either you should reinstall windows and use a ubuntu cd /dvd/usb/whatever storage media like usb hdd/ssd whatever
jesus ****ing christ this is ANDROID FORUMS NOT YAHOO ANSWERS/QUORA
rip yahoo answers ded in 20th apri 2021
blackhawk said:
That's way too much drama info that means nothing... I got a headache skim reading it
Change your Google account password on a secure PC.
Have the phone(s) firmware reflashed.
Be careful what you load.
Do whatever is needed to secure your PCs and data. Don't use either until proven clean.
Use only Gmail for email service and download only from trusted sources. If not sure, don't download it!
This isn't rocket science.
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Thanks for the feedback. I edited my post to be less drama. I got carried away.
reflash everything even boot.img kernel also if your worried about knox relfashing stock no knox trip but whatever **** shes got on there defenitly tripped knox i would sue her divore her XXXXXX
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newrandomaccountbruh said:
im no laywer nor am i pretending to be
destory all her eletronics so she cant spy on your ****
so you just do a factory reset ? in stock recovery or in twrp how are you wiping ?? well theres not much you can do if your wife has phsycal access to your phone and this app is probably a system app or something so it doesent go away and if you constantly wipe your phone you cant do much
you can encrypt / passcode it but that can be bypassed with a factory reset
you should flash stock recovery
but devices seince android 5.0 lolipop have a frp lock you can ensure that a frp lock means when you do a factroy reset you have to do a google sign in for the first time only the first time tho
i would just divorce and leave her XXXXXX Mod Edit: Edited
but this is a tech forum not a relationship advice
also you should not trust your pc either you should reinstall windows and use a ubuntu cd /dvd/usb/whatever storage media like usb hdd/ssd whatever
jesus ****ing christ this is ANDROID FORUMS NOT YAHOO ANSWERS/QUORA
rip yahoo answers ded in 20th apri 2021
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I edited the post. Got carried away. Thanks for the feedback.
newrandomaccountbruh said:
reflash everything even boot.img kernel also if your worried about knox relfashing stock no knox trip but whatever **** shes got on there defenitly tripped knox i would sue her divore her XXXXXX Mod Edit: Edited
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That is just mean. It is just a phone. I just want it to stop. Violence towards another is never the answer. Thanks for the reply.
also what do you mean "with in mic range"
"i would rather die standing than live kneeling"
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newrandomaccountbruh said:
also what do you mean "with in mic range"
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If I have my phone near me. If I leave in another room out of mic (microphone) range conversations are not recorded.
tmjohnson6969 said:
If I have my phone near me. If I leave in another room out of mic (microphone) range conversations are not recorded.
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can you see an option to disable sensors in developer option if you dont see dev option go about phone software info hit build number 7 times
go to dev option quick setting developer tile click sensors off then when you slide down you will see a option to disable sensors but it also means that things like camera will not work
cameras, microphone, accelerometer, gyroscope, and more will be disabled
do you see a icon in app menu in settings like supersu or magisk or superuser or and suspicious apps
eg an app with no name and no icon try deleteing or disable thoes apps and unroot in magisk or supersu or superuser try installing a root checker as well (the one from joeykrim)
make sure that there no root access go to system status in about phone does it say offical or custom
(custom bad )
boot into download mode (look up how to on your device)
is the flash counter anything but 0
is knox warrenty status 0x0 or 0x1
(0x1 bad)
(flash counter 1 or higher bad)
reflash stock firmware download on your computer boot into download mode use odin and flash
(google for more in depth and links)
have you rooted the device yourself?
infact that mic virus u got wouldent need root perms better safe than sorry
(it might spy on you other ways with root and or presesitance using root perms)
newrandomaccountbruh said:
infact that mic virus u got wouldent need root perms better safe than sorry
(it might spy on you other ways with root and or presesitance using root perms)
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Yeah if malware is present it could override permissions. You need to start over with a clean load.
Reflashing the firmware guarentees this; no rootkit can survive that.
newrandomaccountbruh said:
can you see an option to disable sensors in developer option if you dont see dev option go about phone software info hit build number 7 times
go to dev option quick setting developer tile click sensors off then when you slide down you will see a option to disable sensors but it also means that things like camera will not work
cameras, microphone, accelerometer, gyroscope, and more will be disabled
do you see a icon in app menu in settings like supersu or magisk or superuser or and suspicious apps
eg an app with no name and no icon try deleteing or disable thoes apps and unroot in magisk or supersu or superuser try installing a root checker as well (the one from joeykrim)
make sure that there no root access go to system status in about phone does it say offical or custom
(custom bad )
boot into download mode (look up how to on your device)
is the flash counter anything but 0
is knox warrenty status 0x0 or 0x1
(0x1 bad)
(flash counter 1 or higher bad)
reflash stock firmware download on your computer boot into download mode use odin and flash
(google for more in depth and links)
have you rooted the device yourself?
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Phone has not been rooted. Knox status is still zero (just rechecked). I did turn off all sensors for awhile, but that got annoying. I went through all apps and did not see any suspicious apps. Used multiple apps to look for spyware with none found. When all this started my s9 went missing. Is there anyway that the phone can be cloned to another phone? She does have a friend who is a software engineer with background in apple and android os that from hearsay got caught doing the same thing to his exwife. That is why I am more interested in a way in finding how it is being done and catching them since in Texas it is illegal to record conversations as a 3rd party. I don't really care if she listens to me. Mostly it is me in my truck driving singing poorly. It is more of the how it is being done that is frustrating me. She told me once they got me by me clicking a link on facebook that was sent to me and I guess I didn't think twice about clicking it. I am usually really cautious about things like that, but I more conputer literate then phone apps literate I've learned my lesson now I guess. I will try reflashing firmware. Would rooting and flashing a diffrent ROM help do you think? Thanks for the feedback.
Get off FB... it's malware.
Reflash to the stock rom unless you don't like it. Go with the latest Android version for it if you want the most security.
Lol, you should know better by now to trust anything she says... let her eat silence.
Silence is the most sincere form of scorn.
newrandomaccountbruh said:
"i would rather die standing than live kneeling"
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blackhawk said:
Get off FB... it's malware.
Reflash to the stock rom unless you don't like it. Go with the latest Android version for it if you want the most security.
Lol, you should know better by now to trust anything she says... let her eat silence.
Silence is the most sincere form of scorn.
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You are correct. I no longer have facebook. I don't use any social media apps. I have learned my lesson the hardway.

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