Camera tradeoffs - Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Appears to be two tradeoffs in the camera...
1) cannot use video stabilization at the same time as tracking AF
2) you lose a lot of the advanced capabilities in 1080p 60fps.
Which of these are worth the loss in people's opinion?

You only lose digital stabilization* during 60 FPS video filming. The hardware OIS remains active.
There are multiple downsides to filming consistently in 60fps, low light suffers and you lose a couple other video features in order to gain smoother motion.
For day to day video filming, 1080p 30fps is the ideal with the least amount of compromises, of course if you're filming a fast moving subject, flip the switch to 60fps.
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km8j said:
Appears to be two tradeoffs in the camera...
1) cannot use video stabilization at the same time as tracking AF
2) you lose a lot of the advanced capabilities in 1080p 60fps.
Which of these are worth the loss in people's opinion?
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It's a phone, I don't record videos like a professional.

km8j said:
Appears to be two tradeoffs in the camera...
1) cannot use video stabilization at the same time as tracking AF
2) you lose a lot of the advanced capabilities in 1080p 60fps.
Which of these are worth the loss in people's opinion?
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Neither. Video stabilization is usually pretty annoying. The 60fps loss is a little bummer but for most activities 60FPS does little but take up more space anyways.
Also there is a loss of detail per frame in 60FPS. The S6 does 17Mbps @30fps but 28Mbps @60fps which has 2 times the frames. So the individual frame data is capped at 14Mbps minus audio.

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[Q] No sound in 1080p @60FPS?

Hey is it true OPO doesn't support sound in 60 FPS or 120 FPS video mode?
i dont think any phone or camera does sound in slow motion.
60 FPS is no slow motion. Other flagships support sound in 60 FPS - SGS 5, Sony Xperia Z2, LG G3, ect.
OPO seems NOT which is huge minus, making camera useless.
60fps is slow motion. its 24 or 30 fps which is normal speed.
Since when recording [email protected] and playing it is slow motion? Have you seen videos @60FPS and understand purpose of recording in this speed over 30?
Jack is right
Guys, it seems you don't know the purpose of 60 FPS over 30 FPS. OK, no problem.
So I explain it to you - 60 FPS give you smooth movies - yes. 30 frames is too low (often) and 60 give you full smoothness.
OPO doesn't record sound in this mod which is ridicolus, so is useless.
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Guys, it seems you don't know the purpose of 60 FPS over 30 FPS. OK, no problem.
So I explain it to you - 60 FPS give you smooth movies - yes. 30 frames is too low (often) and 60 give you full smoothness.
OPO doesn't record sound in this mod which is ridicolus, so is useless.
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dude. shut up. 60 fps is half speed slow motion. move on.
I adise you reading some articles about FPS and impact of movie smoothness, then talking.
Once again for YOU: OTHER flagships DOES SUPPORT sound in @60 FPS mode. So if THEY CAN, why OPO CAN'T it seems.
This is not about slow motion but typical recording.
Flagship killer? BUAHAHAHAH. End of story.
you dont even have the phone. and it sounds like you dont want it either. you dont have anything to add here. just go away.
Listen. You guys aren't understanding each other, you're both kind of right.
If you record at 30fps and play back at 30fps, that is normal, and standard.
If you record at 60fps and play back and 30fps that is HALF SPEED, a type of slow motion.
But if you record at 60fps and play back at 60fps, that is a newer type of smooth playing STANDARD SPEED playback. Less jitters, choppy etc.
Same goes for 120fps etc. It doesn't matter how many fps you record in, it matters how you fast you play it back.
So 60fps recording, played back at 60fps, should have audio.
Let's all just relax here
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It's been a while and there has been at least one update... Does anyone know if they do 1080*1920 @60FPS now on the OnePlus One?
I just ordered one a couple of days ago, and am hoping for the best when it comes to camera video updates... I plan on recording in 4K mostly, and downscaling to 1080P to see if that improves the sharpness. 60FPS in full HD might be a tempting alternative though.(Often down-scaling is better than taking an original shot at your target resolution.)
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It's been a while and there has been at least one update... Does anyone know if they do 1080*1920 @60FPS now on the OnePlus One?
I just ordered one a couple of days ago, and am hoping for the best when it comes to camera video updates... I plan on recording in 4K mostly, and downscaling to 1080P to see if that improves the sharpness. 60FPS in full HD might be a tempting alternative though.(Often down-scaling is better than taking an original shot at your target resolution.)
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The 60FPS and 120FPS mode in all resolutions are only slow motion still.
I'm also searching for a possibility to record in 60fps.
I really really miss that. Vids look really choppy in 30fps, srsly.
60fps is NOT slow motion. 120fps is NOT slow motion. 10000000 fps is not slow motion.
Recording @ 60fps and playing back at 30fps produces a slowmotion movie, sound cannot be played back this way.
60fps played back @ 60fps produces a (more) fluid experience, without much blend and the brain filling in the missed frames.
30fps played @ 60fps produces a fastmotion movie.
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you dont even have the phone. and it sounds like you dont want it either. you dont have anything to add here. just go away.
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Well I have a Oneplus One and I want 1080/720 @ 60FPS. The lack of this feature is my only disappointment with this phone, everything else is totally fantastic.
For people who don't understand why I want 60fps video then here is my explanation:
Recording at 30fps is okay but as soon as you have anything moving quickly, such as a close car passing from left to right or if you pan the camera, the moving objects become a blur, at 60fps fast motion remains clear. For those who have only ever had 30fps experience you won't understand how important this is, but for those who have had a 60fps experience, you cannot go back to seriously filming anything in 30fps.
It should be possible on the Oneplus one, but I get the feeling the phones firmware currently will not allow this option. I have tried various apps and even written my own specifying 720 and 1080 @ 60fps, but I only ever get sound when 30fps or 60fps no sound.
It's a shame as the hardware is quite capable!

Jerkiness in 30fps videos

stabilization is so good with 30fps videos in daylight situation but when it comes to artificial and low light situation, videos are so jerky when we take a walk and the video is pretty unusable. oneplus has provided OIS but we don't even have the proper control over it. it is used only for 60fps videos. wouldn't it have been better if we had the option to use OIS or EIS according to our liking? like we can choose OIS during artificial and low light conditions. By this, we can have OIS instead of no stabilization/unusable videos. am i the only one who felt that the videos are full of jerks and is unusable?

Is there any reason not to record video in 4k 60fps?

Besides the 5 minute recording length limitation and the increased file size, is there any reason not to use the 4k 60fps setting if I know the video will be under 5 minutes? (I can't last that long [just kidding])
For example is the stabilization worse? Would the quality be worse than native 1080p if it were to be downscaled?
I believe 4K 60fps uses only OIS and not EIS. 4K 30fps uses both.
I believe it to be true because in my own testing, 4K 30fps seems to be more stable, even though 4K 60fps looks more stable while recording (in the viewfinder).
Secondly, many people simply do not like the extra smooth effect 60fps provides, which is why they stick to 30.
And finally, I'm not too sure about downscaling as I've never done that myself. I prefer to keep my videos at their highest quality/resolution possible.

Video recording quality.

Has anybody noticed how terrible the video recording performance is on this phone? Even in fairly well lit conditions there's so much smoothing going on it makes the overall video look absolutely terrible.
Is there a way to turn this smoothing off? I have been using GCam purely for recording videos and the quality is a lot better (doesn't have this smoothing effect) but the app itself isn't perfect and crashes fairly regularly. Any suggestions/known fixes welcome
I have my video settings set to 4k 60fps.
TIA.
I noticed this too.
Even on 60FPS it is not as smooth as I was hoping - my eyes actually hurt when I watch videos with moving objects.
Still objects are very, very good, especially with 5X optical zoom.
I think this is something to do with steadiness not with FPS.

Question 1080p 60 frames softness/blurry

Hi, just want to find out if the ultra users record fhd at 60 frames with video stabilization on? I have done this twice now and the footage really isn't any good. The center is nicely focused, but to the sides it looks very soft/blurry. in 4k it looks great, but I stream the videos via wireless to my tv and with the 4k there is too much buffering...fhd streams fine. converting the videos from 4k to fhd seems a waste of time as it takes really long on my old pc. At this stage I feel it's almost worth the effort to convert the 4k to fhd to stream as there is such a big difference on the phone between the 4k and fhd. I don't understand all the technical jargon regarding 4k/resoltion etc but how much do I loose quality wise converting from 4k to fhd? The videos I take is from my daughter doing fast action sports(netball). The footage is in daylight with a lot of sun. Even the picture I take while recording is okay and some is blurry/double image, exactly like in the video. The attached shows the blurry effect...it's not motion blur, as per attached they were basically standing still. I use the dji mimo app sometimes and currently it only supports fhd 30 frames. The quality is much better via the app then the standard camera app
Anybody that has an opinion?

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