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Hi XDA Community. I use Trinity Kernel by Morfic and i was wondering if it is okay to have an Overclocked Nexus 5 and use the phone at a regular basis like a normal stock clock Nexus. I don't want My phone to just randomly explode because of overclocking it. One of the features the kernel has as said at his/her XDA thread is "Up to 2726MHz (higher clocks will vary from device to device)". Is that frequency trustworthy when just using the phone normally or is that a benchmark frequency?
MaLing15 said:
Hi XDA Community. I use Trinity Kernel by Morfic and i was wondering if it is okay to have an Overclocked Nexus 5 and use the phone at a regular basis like a normal stock clock Nexus. I don't want My phone to just randomly explode because of overclocking it. One of the features the kernel has as said at his/her XDA thread is "Up to 2726MHz (higher clocks will vary from device to device)". Is that frequency trustworthy when just using the phone normally or is that a benchmark frequency?
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Don't overclock that high. 2419MHz at most. Overclocking too high will cause more heat and throttle earlier, only useful for a short benchmark such as HWBot Prime or Quadrant (Antutu takes longer and will overheat by the time it finishes). Trinity also supports up to 3014MHz, OP hasn't been updated.
MaLing15 said:
Hi XDA Community. I use Trinity Kernel by Morfic and i was wondering if it is okay to have an Overclocked Nexus 5 and use the phone at a regular basis like a normal stock clock Nexus. I don't want My phone to just randomly explode because of overclocking it. One of the features the kernel has as said at his/her XDA thread is "Up to 2726MHz (higher clocks will vary from device to device)". Is that frequency trustworthy when just using the phone normally or is that a benchmark frequency?
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You don't want to push the phone too much I think the Nexus 5 runs at 2.3 GHz. 2.7 MAY not be too bad but honestly, the phone runs pretty smooth as is. What benefits are you looking for from overclocking?
Thanks guys for sharing your knowledge. You know.. To get the MOST out of the Phone while at the same time being Safe.
if you really wanted, the phone won't explode if you run it at 3015mhz either. the worst that will happen is that your phone won't be able to run that high, and will freeze and reboot.
and don't listen to all.. run your phone how YOU like. yes, it'll cause a little(not much) more heat, and will throttle a little earlier, but that's why people like me disable throttle, so that's a non issue. I run my phone at high CPU speeds all the time, and use 2880mhz high/300mhz low quite often. just because I feel like it, no other reason.
oh, I run trinity as well, and do all of Trinity's testing
MaLing15 said:
Thanks guys for sharing your knowledge. You know.. To get the MOST out of the Phone while at the same time being Safe.
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It's just what @jsgraphicart said. You're not really getting more out of your phone by overclocking. It's not going to run smoother, and most games don't lag anyway so they probably won't run better. I think most people just do it for benchmarks or just to check if it can run on a certain clockspeed.
Also what @simms22 said. You can do it if you want to, but simply because you want to because as far as I know there aren't really any benefits.
Back in my Palm Pre days, we used to overclock that thing to 1GHz. The default setting was 500MHz. I think it was even pushed to 1.2GHz. And it ran fine. But back then, you could tell the difference between a little lag at 500MHz and smoothness at 1GHz. With this phone and how Android has gotten smoother with every update, it's kind of hard to see any difference when overclocking. It will be smooth regardless.
oh, benefits, not really. a little more speed, yes. bit I would never call it a benefit, unless the speed difference was drastic, and its not.
As mentioned, overclocking the CPU can actually turn out to run slower because of aggressive thermal throttling. You could disable or extend the thermal throttling, but 2.3Ghz is already plenty fast for today's mobile software so you won't notice any difference in day to day usage.
bblzd said:
As mentioned, overclocking the CPU can actually turn out to run slower because of aggressive thermal throttling. You could disable or extend the thermal throttling, but 2.3Ghz is already plenty fast for today's mobile software so you won't notice any difference in day to day usage.
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Even if you run your phone at 2880MHz/3014MHz/whatever with thermal throttle off, you can't really do anything too intensive as it'll hit 105C and shutoff lol
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Even if you run your phone at 2880MHz/3014MHz/whatever with thermal throttle off, you can't really do anything too intensive as it'll hit 105C and shutoff lol
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actually, no, youre wrong. when you run your phone at 2880/300 or 3014/300, you phone will hardly scale up that high, sometimes it will. you wont see any real difference between those high cpu speeds and running it at 2265/300. and battery will be similar. the difference will be if you run it at 2880/2880 or 3014/3014. now i run my phone at 2880/300 very often, and you know i disable thermal throttle. yet, i see no difference in temperatures, except if im doing something thats very cpu intensive.
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actually, no, youre wrong. when you run your phone at 2880/300 or 3014/300, you phone will hardly scale up that high, sometimes it will. you wont see any real difference between those high cpu speeds and running it at 2265/300. and battery will be similar. the difference will be if you run it at 2880/2880 or 3014/3014. now i run my phone at 2880/300 very often, and you know i disable thermal throttle. yet, i see no difference in temperatures, except if im doing something thats very cpu intensive.
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Ah true. But still, a bit easier to hit it if doing something intensive Not to mention it may be a little unstable on some devices
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Ah true. But still, a bit easier to hit it if doing something intensive Not to mention it may be a little unstable on some devices
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on some devices??? on most devices! anyways, stability is overrated
LOL...no explosions on XDA allowed!
I just got 17-18k on antutu. Stock rom,stock kernel. With elementalx kernel i can reach 27k but it is still bad for elemental x. What's wrong with my phone ? i flashed factory image again nothing changed also i just noticed when i underclock my cpu to 1.7 ghz i'm getting 28k on antutu.
Thermal throttle
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Thermal throttle
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Thanks for your answer.Is it normal ? I just bought this phone. So is this same for all other people ? One of my friends told me he got higher scores. If it isn't a general problem how i can prevent thermal throttle ?
msnnsm said:
Thanks for your answer.Is it normal ? I just bought this phone. So is this same for all other people ? One of my friends told me he got higher scores. If it isn't a general problem how i can prevent thermal throttle ?
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By letting the phone cool down before the benchmark, or use a custom kernel which raises or disables it.
The other thing is to not care about benchmarks...
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By letting the phone cool down before the benchmark, or use a custom kernel which raises or disables it.
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I'm letting the phone cool down already. But it heats very fast during benchmark. I put it on fridge and i got 30k lol . Anyway there is nothing i can do.
Thanks for helping me :good:
msnnsm said:
I'm letting the phone cool down already. But it heats very fast during benchmark. I put it on fridge and i got 30k lol . Anyway there is nothing i can do.
Thanks for helping me :good:
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Why do you care about benchmarks in the first place......
Putting your phone in the fridge, then getting an AMAZING score...does it make your day? Does showing it off make you happy? It's not what the phone is primarily designed for....it has much more useful functions, you know like internet, email, calling, gaming, photos...
More importantly...imagine benchmarks didn't exist for a moment. Did your phone actually feel slow before you did all these 'tests'??? Did you need to get 30k before you felt happy? Does a 'lower score' completely ruin the actual day to day user experience...
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Why do you care about benchmarks in the first place......
Putting your phone in the fridge, then getting an AMAZING score...does it make your day? Does showing it off make you happy? It's not what the phone is primarily designed for....it has much more useful functions, you know like internet, email, calling, gaming, photos...
More importantly...imagine benchmarks didn't exist for a moment. Did your phone actually feel slow before you did all these 'tests'??? Did you need to get 30k before you felt happy? Does a 'lower score' completely ruin the actual day to day user experience...
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Firstly i don't need to tell you why i'm trying to get higher score but i will because you're talking too agresively with me without reason.I don't care about score. If every nexus 5 would be the same and get just 15k score including mine i would accept my phone with 15k. But others phones get higher and there is something wrong with mine. It's getting hot more than others. So that's not like it should be.I hope you understood why i'm trying to fix it and sorry if my english isn't understandable.
No. Your phone isn't heating up more. You're starting when the device is already warm.
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No. Your phone isn't heating up more. You're starting when the device is already warm.
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I'm pretty sure i'm starting it when it's cold. I didn't touch it for 15 minutes isn't it enough ?
msnnsm said:
I'm pretty sure i'm starting it when it's cold. I didn't touch it for 15 minutes isn't it enough ?
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At least use an app to look at CPU temp ._.
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At least use an app to look at CPU temp ._.
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Hmm you're right. Do you know a good one ? I got 28.8k now with elemental x kernel with "Undervolt" feature. To be honest i don't know how much is normal for a nexus 5 device with this kernel.
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I don't care about score
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Yes do you, that's why you opened the thread..
The post sounds aggressive, but it's really trying to change the way you think about scores in the first place..
But others phones get higher and there is something wrong with mine.
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No, just because other people get highers 'scores' does not mean there is something wrong with your phone.
Before you started running 'tests', were you experiencing any actual issues?
It's getting hot more than others. So that's not like it should be.I hope you understood why i'm trying to fix it and sorry if my english isn't understandable.
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If it's getting hot, is this because you're running unnecessary benchmarks...
Or any other activities which are causing it to get hot? This could be an app or hardware issue, both nothing to do with your benchmark. Are you comparing actual temperatures in degrees to identical phones doing exactly the same activities side by side, or does it just feel a bit warmer?
What I'm trying to say is your obsession with the score is causing you unnecessary stress...you are trying to fix something which does not need fixing.
So go back to the original thinking:
- Imagine scores don't exist
- Did the phone actually feel slow in day to day normal usage before you started running benchmarks?
Or:
- Stop running tests, forget about them
- Use the phone normally
- Enjoy using the phone again
Let...it...go...
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Yes do you, that's why you opened the thread..
The post sounds aggressive, but it's really trying to change the way you think about scores in the first place..
No, just because other people get highers 'scores' does not mean there is something wrong with your phone.
Before you started running 'tests', were you experiencing any actual issues?
If it's getting hot, is this because you're running unnecessary benchmarks...
Or any other activities which are causing it to get hot? This could be an app or hardware issue, both nothing to do with your benchmark. Are you comparing actual temperatures in degrees to identical phones doing exactly the same activities side by side, or does it just feel a bit warmer?
What I'm trying to say is your obsession with the score is causing you unnecessary stress...you are trying to fix something which does not need fixing.
So go back to the original thinking:
- Imagine scores don't exist
- Did the phone actually feel slow in day to day normal usage before you started running benchmarks?
Or:
- Stop running tests, forget about them
- Use the phone normally
- Enjoy using the phone again
Let...it...go...
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The first time run it i just wanted to see how my phone is powerful because i felt a little lag on asphalt 8 yesterday, so yes i wasn't expecting any issues but when i saw i got 17k i think that difference is just huge. I don't care if my device is same at gaming,multitasking with other nexus devices but benchmark makes me think it's not right.
In normal usage; yeah it is fast But I'm not sure my device is how it's supposed to be like this. But if you say it's normal and benchmark's not meaning anything i won't care. But there should be a reason all devices got different scores.
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The first time run it i just wanted to see how my phone is powerful because i felt a little lag on asphalt 8 yesterday, so yes i wasn't expecting any issues but when i saw i got 17k i think that difference is just huge. I don't care if my device is same at gaming,multitasking with other nexus devices but benchmark makes me think it's not right.
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So it is sort of only the benchmark which is making you think something is not right
You don't need a score to see how powerful your phone is. It will breeze through most tasks just fine. "A little lag" on a graphically intense game is to be expected sometimes.
Gaming -> High CPU load -> heat -> thermal throttle -> bit of lag
Laws of physics
In normal usage; yeah it is fast
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This is the only real 'benchmark' which is actually important in normal day to day usage.
But I'm not sure my device is how it's supposed to be like this. But if you say it's normal and benchmark's not meaning anything i won't care. But there should be a reason all devices got different scores.
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Yes there is a reason we all get different scores, the same reason we all get different battery life. There are many variables, not least temperature and thermal throttling.
We have different number of apps installed and running at any one time, things syncing, mods, scripts, ROMs, kernels, all different. No two CPUs and Nexus 5s are exactly identical either. So therefore you get different 'scores'. Even if you had two stock factory reset phones side by side running the same test, they'll get different scores.
And just because your score is lower, it doesnt necessarily mean that something is wrong, or that your phone is always slow. It is just a nominal number from an app at a particular point in time. It still feels fast, and is fast...
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So it is sort of only the benchmark which is making you think something is not right
Even if you had two stock factory reset phones side by side running the same test, they'll get different scores.
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It doesn't make any sense
And just because your score is lower, it doesnt necessarily mean that something is wrong, or that your phone is always slow. It is just a nominal number from an app at a particular point in time. It still feels fast, and is fast...
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Okey, i trust you. Since i just bought phone and didn't test it much really i won't test it or try to improve it for now.
The way a phone works doesn't lend itself well to benchmarks. That's why manufacturers like Samsung have traditionally "cheated" on benchmarks by ensuring maximum clock speeds are used when they detect a bench marking application.
If you want to maximize your benchmark scores you simply need to disable thermal throttling (or increase its limit) and also use optimized Dalvik copied from another device.
rootSU said:
The other thing is to not care about benchmarks...
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This. Thermal throttle is a way to keep your phone regulated into normal temperatures specified by the device manufacturer. However, it's generally safe to raise it a bit, mine is set to 85.
aw man, its too bad i wasnt around earlier
hi all im just newbie who just got this devices and after intense use why my battery always overheated ? im just browse some pagesband playing games. im using a softcase. my rom is stock roited with elementalx kernel
any help will be appreciated
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Define "overheating", as in the actual battery temperature. Not "it feels hot".
Lethargy said:
Define "overheating", as in the actual battery temperature. Not "it feels hot".
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it is hot sir, my hands is warm after using my nexus for 15min
Mranggapo said:
it is hot sir, my hands is warm after using my nexus for 15min
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That doesn't tell us anything. Get an actual battery temperature reading, not what you think it feels like. Most kernel apps should tell you.
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That doesn't tell us anything. Get an actual battery temperature reading, not what you think it feels like. Most kernel apps should tell you.
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what is the apps you use sir ?
Mranggapo said:
what is the apps you use sir ?
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I don't pay attention to it myself since I know it isn't overheating. Various kernel apps should give you a reading, hell even Antutu Benchmark tells you your battery temperature in Device Info.
Also, when your battery reaches 60C (or 65C, forgot which of the two), your phone will force shut itself off. Chances are, you're not even feeling much heat from the battery, the CPU usually produces more heat before the battery can even reach that high (some kernels have battery shutdown disabled anyways). The CPU starts throttling at around 60C CPU temp (NOT battery temp), and force shuts down at 105C. Clearly, "warm" is no issue at all.
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I don't pay attention to it myself since I know it isn't overheating. Various kernel apps should give you a reading, hell even Antutu Benchmark tells you your battery temperature in Device Info.
Also, when your battery reaches 60C (or 65C, forgot which of the two), your phone will force shut itself off. Chances are, you're not even feeling much heat from the battery, the CPU usually produces more heat before the battery can even reach that high (some kernels have battery shutdown disabled anyways). The CPU starts throttling at around 60C CPU temp (NOT battery temp), and force shuts down at 105C. Clearly, "warm" is no issue at all.
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thank you for the explanation sir .
After 7 days of with the phone in my pocket, I think battery needs some serious optimization. Compared to my previous device Redmi note 6 pro on 4000mah had a lot better battery than Mi note 10 at 5260mah. Battery is draining like too fast. I'm on xiaomi eu btw.
I sincerely hope Xiaomi fixes this battery issue with a firmware update. A 5000+mah battery with a mid tier chipset should give phenomenal life.
I think we should get together and make some noise to get Xiaomi to address this. Tech reviewers are blaming the UI
I must agree on this. The battery life leaves a lot to be desired. Thought it would be amazing, but it's only marginally better than my old Nokia 7 Plus.. And the battery in that one is 3800mah.
Please optimize the software Xiaomi!
Yeah after rooting i did some digging. There is some kernel optimisation needed.
Example: Min freq is not set to 300mhz but to 5xx mhz. Also there is some kind of cpu boost enbled (i wasnt yet able to disable it) which is way too agressive, this also causes the min freq to get stuck at 13xx mhz. This cna only be solved by rebooting
iSonik said:
Yeah after rooting i did some digging. There is some kernel optimisation needed.
Example: Min freq is not set to 300mhz but to 5xx mhz. Also there is some kind of cpu boost enbled (i wasnt yet able to disable it) which is way too agressive, this also causes the min freq to get stuck at 13xx mhz. This cna only be solved by rebooting
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Do you suggest taking parameters for this? Or just wait for a Major update?
Actually I am impressed by how long the battery lasts on my Mi note 10
Using it basically no stop, with screen on 90% if the timer and using GPS, chats and emails and more, in the evening I still have not less than 40%
iSonik said:
Yeah after rooting i did some digging. There is some kernel optimisation needed.
Example: Min freq is not set to 300mhz but to 5xx mhz. Also there is some kind of cpu boost enbled (i wasnt yet able to disable it) which is way too agressive, this also causes the min freq to get stuck at 13xx mhz. This cna only be solved by rebooting
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Interesting discovery. While snooping around I found these posts talking about the Pixel 3 and OnePlus 6 that also idle at 576mhz. Both use the Snapdragon 845 though
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/snapdragon-845-processor-frequency.879301/
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/2104524?hl=en
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Do you suggest taking parameters for this? Or just wait for a Major update?
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Not sure if i 100% understand what you mean. But i tried to change parameters with FK and the values do not really get saved.
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MoneyFist said:
Interesting discovery. While snooping around I found these posts talking about the Pixel 3 and OnePlus 6 that also idle at 576mhz. Both use the Snapdragon 845 though
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/snapdragon-845-processor-frequency.879301/
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/2104524?hl=en
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Yeah exactly. But thats not that big problem, if you watch your CPU Stats you can see your idle freq get stuck at 13xx for both clusters. Thats quite high for idling. Also did look into the released kernel source, but couldnt find the problem
Not the biggest fan of things like LKT, but in this case it works. Sets the cpu to 300mhz and gets rid of the 12xxmhz boost! if any one want to try it aswell
Your phones guys have really some problems. Mine is rooted and twrp. Updated. The rest is all stock. Yesterday I used it like crazy. Google map for about 2.5 hours, screen during the day basically always on cause I use whatsapp for work. I also spent 1 hour playing a game. In the evening I had 41% battery.
This phone have a monster battery! Amazing!
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Your phones guys have really some problems. Mine is rooted and twrp. Updated. The rest is all stock. Yesterday I used it like crazy. Google map for about 2.5 hours, screen during the day basically always on cause I use whatsapp for work. I also spent 1 hour playing a game. In the evening I had 41% battery.
This phone have a monster battery! Amazing!
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I would like to feel the same optimism that you feel, but until now, I cannot. I got my phone 2 days ago, 2 full charges, one gave me 8h of SOT and the other 7h of SOT. There is something wrong here. I had more battery life with the Pocophone I had than with Mi note 10. Let's see if in a future update it gets better
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Your phones guys have really some problems. Mine is rooted and twrp. Updated. The rest is all stock. Yesterday I used it like crazy. Google map for about 2.5 hours, screen during the day basically always on cause I use whatsapp for work. I also spent 1 hour playing a game. In the evening I had 41% battery.
This phone have a monster battery! Amazing!
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I mean yes it has good battery life and i can get easily 2 days. But its a 5xxx mah battery. It can last longer. Its like upgraing from 1liter to 2liters but only using 1.5 Liters.
Its Never a 5xxx Battery
A real live measure says its a 4000mah Battery. So imho its a Selling Trick from Xiaomi
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A real live measure says its a 4000mah Battery. So imho its a Selling Trick from Xiaomi
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What???? Are you kidding? It has really 4000?
labbersagg said:
A real live measure says its a 4000mah Battery. So imho its a Selling Trick from Xiaomi
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If that's true: it aint just a selling trick but a crime!
Can you proove your statement here? Would be interesting for everyone I guess
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What???? Are you kidding? It has really 4000?
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Thinking about it, 4000mah sounds right. The Oppo Reno2 has a 4000mah battery, uses the same 730G chipset and has about the same screen size.
The GSMarena endurance test gave the Oppo Reno2 a 102hr endurance rating.
The Mi Note 10 scored 95hrs endurance rating.
I think we've been duped here
See here, scroll to the bottom;
https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9936&idPhone2=9798
I've installed AccuBattery to monitor drain and give a mAh rating estimate
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A real live measure says its a 4000mah Battery. So imho its a Selling Trick from Xiaomi
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data ?, or it doesnt happen.
Forgot to mention there is a crazy battery drain at night for no reason like 10% down (Flight mode on, only alarm set on) .
iSonik said:
Yeah after rooting i did some digging. There is some kernel optimisation needed.
Example: Min freq is not set to 300mhz but to 5xx mhz. Also there is some kind of cpu boost enbled (i wasnt yet able to disable it) which is way too agressive, this also causes the min freq to get stuck at 13xx mhz. This cna only be solved by rebooting
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yes. any xiaomi device It has that. The only option is the force setting set min. 300mhz on APK like ex Kernel menager. And turning off boost Touch
Check mi room or miuimix rom based on China dev. I use mi Rom on cc9 and k20 pro. The battery is much better than xiaomi.eu
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A real live measure says its a 4000mah Battery. So imho its a Selling Trick from Xiaomi
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not true! measured around 5000 for me. Dont be a fear mongerer
Are you guys having similar temps on normal use? (not gaming, just youtube)
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Are you guys having similar temps on normal use? (not gaming, just youtube)
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Does it feel hot to the touch? Or just warm? Because the 8T has Snapdragon 865 which has decent thermals...hmm...
You might want to consider a hard reset/wipe. It's possible a rogue background process is using a lot of the CPU.
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Does it feel hot to the touch? Or just warm? Because the 8T has Snapdragon 865 which has decent thermals...hmm...
You might want to consider a hard reset/wipe. It's possible a rogue background process is using a lot of the CPU.
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I even flashed custom kernels and still running hot, I was wondering what temps do you have on yours, so I can see if I jusr have a faulty one because I can still return it.
Thanks
Taken whilst watching YouTube on stock OOS 11.0.9.9
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Does it feel hot to the touch? Or just warm? Because the 8T has Snapdragon 865 which has decent thermals...hmm...
You might want to consider a hard reset/wipe. It's possible a rogue background process is using a lot of the CPU.
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And yes, it burns my fingers, it's not just on Aida64.
Cpu temps seem decent but the battery temperatures above 40°C it's worrying me
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Damn.. I don't see that kind temps even if I would keep it in a freezer.
So it's definitely not normal. the cpu never drops below 38 even overnight and battery never drops below 30.
Thank you so much, what version do you have? 256 or 128, I have the 128. Maybe I'll swap it for the 256 version just to be safe that it's not a faulty batch
Again, thanks a lot
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Damn.. I don't see that kind temps even if I would keep it in a freezer.
So it's definitely not normal. the cpu never drops below 38 even overnight and battery never drops below 30.
Thank you so much, what version do you have? 256 or 128, I have the 128. Maybe I'll swap it for the 256 version just to be safe that it's not a faulty batch
Again, thanks a lot
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